Andrija, My mother was put on to a train bound for Rotterdam from KARLOVAC! Some how she made it. God is good! Tony On Feb 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Andrija wrote: > Dear Tony and Nina, > > A couple of items in your discussion of Novasel have piqued my > interest. > > My maternal grandmother's maiden name was Kata Brezovic' She was born > in Sisljavic near Karlovac 11/22/1899 and sailed from Harve, Bordeaux, > France aboard La Savoie arriving Ellis Island 6/27/1914 apparently > alone at age 14. She settled in Clairton, PA and married my > grandfather, an immigrant from Bosnia. > > I have been able to locate her birth certificate, the passenger > manifest, which showed her age as 16, and even, as the result of a > posting on another site, discovered an English-speaking second cousin, > al;so interested in family history, who was able to provide me with > 200 years of genealogy and history. > > What I have never been able to figure out is how she got from > Sisljavic or Karlovac to La Havre. Since your Novosel relatives also > sailed from La Havre, perhaps you can shed some light on how and why > they sailed from there instead of, say, Trieste, which seems to be > closer. I am guessing it might have had something to do with World War > I and the assination of the Archduke, but am just guessing. Any > insights? > > Andrija > > -----Original Message----- >> From: "L. Novasel" <nimbler@mindspring.com> >> Sent: Feb 19, 2007 4:18 PM >> To: croatia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] NOVOSEL in Karlovac >> >> Tony, >> Thank you for the Novosel and Schuman information. It is very possible >> Mijo worked in the Pennsylvania coal mines after his arrival. Our >> biggest obstacle in tracking his American addresses has been the fact >> that at some point after entry he changed his name to Smith. When he >> married in 1912 it was as Mike Smith. Go figure. >> >> I've been operating from Mijo's birthdate as we know it, and the fact >> that we know he arrived in 1900-1901 from Karlovac. The surname seems >> to be common throughout the county of Karlovac.That is very >> interesting >> about the Schuman surname in Penn. Mijo's marriage license does indeed >> indicate mother's Schumann surname. It sounds Germanic but I guess the >> truth is to be found in the parish registers, arriving soon. >> >> Thanks so much for your help, >> Nina >> >> On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:34 PM, tony zugay wrote: >> >>> Nina, >>> Don't know if this is any help. I was born and raised in Steelton >>> Penna >>> and knew a Novosel family there. My mother was born in Lovic, >>> Croatia >>> which is in Karlovac Zupanja (County) and about 25 km from the city >>> of >>> Karlovac . She was born in 1895 and her godparents were Pavao and >>> Ana >>> Novosel. I have looked at birth records from Pribic (the parish where >>> she was baptized) and see the name Novosel in those church records >>> often. I glanced through the Ellis island list and saw a number of >>> Mijo Novosels listed but none that would have been born in 1882 and >>> arrived in 1901. If Mijo was naturalized it's possible that he would >>> have had to produce a birth/baptism certificate that would have his >>> parents name. >>> Also, there was a Croatian family in our neighborhood that spelled >>> their name SHUMAN. >>> Good luck, >>> Tony Zugay >>> On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:14 AM, L. Novasel wrote: >>> >>>> Mijo Novosel was born Sept.20,1882 in Karlovac, Croatia. He arrived >>>> in >>>> America, Ellis island, September 1, 1901 via Le Havre. Family >>>> documents >>>> list Karlovac as his town of origin. Do not know if that reference >>>> is >>>> to the town or perhaps the county. We have ordered the Karlovac >>>> Catholic parish records from FHC in hopes of finding his parents, >>>> grandparents. He and a male sibling were raised by an uncle in >>>> Karlovac, of whom we have no information. Mijo's 1912 marriage >>>> license >>>> notes his mother's surname as Schumann, likely a misspelling. Can >>>> anyone suggest possible Croatian/ Karlovaki surnames that might >>>> sound >>>> like Schumann to an American clerk? >>>> >>>> In preparing for the transcriptions from the church books, is >>>> there >>>> a >>>> Karlovac Family Register that would help keep us on the right path? >>>> Also, is there a local genealogy or history association that might >>>> be >>>> able to do lookups and provide historical background? Is there an >>>> online list of cemetery sites in this town? >>>> >>>> Nina >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >