Let me see if I can clear up some of the mystery of travel from Croatia and other parts of Europe to the US and particularly to Ellis Island. In Croatia the steamship companies were selling all inclusive tickets from the villages where the emigrants lived all the way to the states maybe even to their final destination in the States. The ticket included passage by train from the nearest r.r. station to the port of disembarcation. There were many such ports that were used. Le Havre was one of the largest but also Hamburg, Rotterdam, and others. The shipping companys also put up the passengers in boarding houses and cheap hotels at the port of departure for a few days before the ships left the port as they usually arrived before the ship was ready to depart. Trieste was also used, Trieste was under the control of the Austrian Hungarian Empire at the time and was a minor port although several Autrian shipping companies existed and sent hundreds of immigrants to the New World. My wife's grandfather and grandmother and her father and uncle all came to Ellis Island through the port of Trieste. Her father told us of his travels from his village by wagon to the nearest r.r.station and then the train to Zagreb where they changed trains to Trieste. When they arrived there they were put up in a boarding house were all their meals were furnished for 4 days until they were able to board the ship. The ship stopped in Patnos Greece where it loaded more passengers and also took on some cargo including olives for the US market. Next it was Naples where it loaded lemons, and then on to Algiers where it took on enough coal for it boilers to make the journey across the ocean to N.Y. When they arrived at Ellis Island they had tickets by train to Chigago where they changed to a local train to get them to Kenosha WI their final destination. They arrived in New York two weeks before the start of W.W.I. Their ship, the Martha Washington, was impouded and not allowed to sail back to Trieste. It was later put into service as a troop ship to get US troops to Europe. Now your grandmother arrived at Ellis Island 2 days after W.W.I began so it was possible for her to cross Europe by train and disembark from LeHarve with no problem and be one of the last persons to make it to the US. After the war started immigration came to a near standstill. My wife's other grandfather went with several other men from his village by rail to Rotterdam where they boarded the ship Noordam for the trip to N.Y. and then on to Pittsburg. The steamship company sold all five of them tickets from Croatia to the U.S. by rail and ship. This was in 1905. Bill Kane

William Wow, a very good description of the immigrants routes. You missed the most frequently used port... Bremen Robert "wfkane@juno.com" <wfkane@juno.com> wrote: Let me see if I can clear up some of the mystery of travel from Croatia and other parts of Europe to the US and particularly to Ellis Island. In Croatia the steamship companies were selling all inclusive tickets from the villages where the emigrants lived all the way to the states maybe even to their final destination in the States. The ticket included passage by train from the nearest r.r. station to the port of disembarcation. There were many such ports that were used. Le Havre was one of the largest but also Hamburg, Rotterdam, and others. The shipping companys also put up the passengers in boarding houses and cheap hotels at the port of departure for a few days before the ships left the port as they usually arrived before the ship was ready to depart. Trieste was also used, Trieste was under the control of the Austrian Hungarian Empire at the time and was a minor port although several Autrian shipping companies existed and sent hundreds of immigrants to the New World. M! y wife's grandfather and grandmother and her father and uncle all came to Ellis Island through the port of Trieste. Her father told us of his travels from his village by wagon to the nearest r.r.station and then the train to Zagreb where they changed trains to Trieste. When they arrived there they were put up in a boarding house were all their meals were furnished for 4 days until they were able to board the ship. The ship stopped in Patnos Greece where it loaded more passengers and also took on some cargo including olives for the US market. Next it was Naples where it loaded lemons, and then on to Algiers where it took on enough coal for it boilers to make the journey across the ocean to N.Y. When they arrived at Ellis Island they had tickets by train to Chigago where they changed to a local train to get them to Kenosha WI their final destination. They arrived in New York two weeks before the start of W.W.I. Their ship, the Martha Washington, was impouded and not allowed! to sail back to Trieste. It was later put into service as a troop shi p to get US troops to Europe. Now your grandmother arrived at Ellis Island 2 days after W.W.I began so it was possible for her to cross Europe by train and disembark from LeHarve with no problem and be one of the last persons to make it to the US. After the war started immigration came to a near standstill. My wife's other grandfather went with several other men from his village by rail to Rotterdam where they boarded the ship Noordam for the trip to N.Y. and then on to Pittsburg. The steamship company sold all five of them tickets from Croatia to the U.S. by rail and ship. This was in 1905. Bill Kane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982

Bill, Just to add to this post WW II many Croatians came under the Displaced Persons Act, signed by Pres. Truman which allowed approximately 500,000 people who had been displaced by the war. They arrived mostly on US Troop ships that had taken US troops to occupy Europe. They were seperated with the younger children and women housed in one area and the older boys and men in another part of the ship. They also performed some crew type duties. Others arrived via airlines. Jerome Brentar, who had been a young Croaitan-American soldier in Europe at the end of WW II found a camp in Austria where a large part of the population was Croatian women and children, no men, they had been killed in the war or after the war. Those were the first 50 Croatian DPs to come to the US post WW II... Ancesty.com pay subscription will allow one to find many of their ship and air manifests. http://www.dpcamps.org/linksR-Z.html Robert "wfkane@juno.com" <wfkane@juno.com> wrote: Let me see if I can clear up some of the mystery of travel from Croatia and other parts of Europe to the US and particularly to Ellis Island. In Croatia the steamship companies were selling all inclusive tickets from the villages where the emigrants lived all the way to the states maybe even to their final destination in the States. The ticket included passage by train from the nearest r.r. station to the port of disembarcation. There were many such ports that were used. Le Havre was one of the largest but also Hamburg, Rotterdam, and others. The shipping companys also put up the passengers in boarding houses and cheap hotels at the port of departure for a few days before the ships left the port as they usually arrived before the ship was ready to depart. Trieste was also used, Trieste was under the control of the Austrian Hungarian Empire at the time and was a minor port although several Autrian shipping companies existed and sent hundreds of immigrants to the New World. M! y wife's grandfather and grandmother and her father and uncle all came to Ellis Island through the port of Trieste. Her father told us of his travels from his village by wagon to the nearest r.r.station and then the train to Zagreb where they changed trains to Trieste. When they arrived there they were put up in a boarding house were all their meals were furnished for 4 days until they were able to board the ship. The ship stopped in Patnos Greece where it loaded more passengers and also took on some cargo including olives for the US market. Next it was Naples where it loaded lemons, and then on to Algiers where it took on enough coal for it boilers to make the journey across the ocean to N.Y. When they arrived at Ellis Island they had tickets by train to Chigago where they changed to a local train to get them to Kenosha WI their final destination. They arrived in New York two weeks before the start of W.W.I. Their ship, the Martha Washington, was impouded and not allowed! to sail back to Trieste. It was later put into service as a troop shi p to get US troops to Europe. Now your grandmother arrived at Ellis Island 2 days after W.W.I began so it was possible for her to cross Europe by train and disembark from LeHarve with no problem and be one of the last persons to make it to the US. After the war started immigration came to a near standstill. My wife's other grandfather went with several other men from his village by rail to Rotterdam where they boarded the ship Noordam for the trip to N.Y. and then on to Pittsburg. The steamship company sold all five of them tickets from Croatia to the U.S. by rail and ship. This was in 1905. Bill Kane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982

Bill. My father came through Trieste in 1909 and looking at the ship manifest it followed your Patmos, Naples, Algers route. The voyage in 1909 took 25 days. Tony On Feb 20, 2007, at 4:29 PM, wfkane@juno.com wrote: > Let me see if I can clear up some of the mystery of travel from > Croatia and other parts of Europe to the US and particularly to Ellis > Island. In Croatia the steamship companies were selling all inclusive > tickets from the villages where the emigrants lived all the way to the > states maybe even to their final destination in the States. The ticket > included passage by train from the nearest r.r. station to the port of > disembarcation. There were many such ports that were used. Le Havre > was one of the largest but also Hamburg, Rotterdam, and others. The > shipping companys also put up the passengers in boarding houses and > cheap hotels at the port of departure for a few days before the ships > left the port as they usually arrived before the ship was ready to > depart. Trieste was also used, Trieste was under the control of the > Austrian Hungarian Empire at the time and was a minor port although > several Autrian shipping companies existed and sent hundreds of > immigrants to the New World. M! > y wife's grandfather and grandmother and her father and uncle all > came to Ellis Island through the port of Trieste. Her father told us > of his travels from his village by wagon to the nearest r.r.station > and then the train to Zagreb where they changed trains to Trieste. > When they arrived there they were put up in a boarding house were all > their meals were furnished for 4 days until they were able to board > the ship. The ship stopped in Patnos Greece where it loaded more > passengers and also took on some cargo including olives for the US > market. Next it was Naples where it loaded lemons, and then on to > Algiers where it took on enough coal for it boilers to make the > journey across the ocean to N.Y. When they arrived at Ellis Island > they had tickets by train to Chigago where they changed to a local > train to get them to Kenosha WI their final destination. They arrived > in New York two weeks before the start of W.W.I. Their ship, the > Martha Washington, was impouded and not allowed! > to sail back to Trieste. It was later put into service as a troop shi > p to get US troops to Europe. Now your grandmother arrived at Ellis > Island 2 days after W.W.I began so it was possible for her to cross > Europe by train and disembark from LeHarve with no problem and be one > of the last persons to make it to the US. After the war started > immigration came to a near standstill. > My wife's other grandfather went with several other men from his > village by rail to Rotterdam where they boarded the ship Noordam for > the trip to N.Y. and then on to Pittsburg. The steamship company sold > all five of them tickets from Croatia to the U.S. by rail and ship. > This was in 1905. > > Bill Kane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >