Kurt, Military Border was not under Ban's jurisdiction. It was not part of "banska Hrvatska" and it was a long struggle to have it returned to its mother country. The whole area was under military jurisdiction from Vienna. The rules on the estates varied from one to the other and of course over time. I believe in the Middle Ages the land belonged to the king. The movement of people was between the cities. In the villages, as Robert pointed out, people stayed for centuries. Nationality was not emphasized until 19th century. Vukovar was reported to have had cca 3000 inhabitants, 200 houses at the end of the Turkish rule. dr Former.

Hello Dr. Former, Ok........ Are saying that the part of Srem/Srijem was not part of Croatia at that time? If so thats what I understand. Ok the Ban had no Control of the Military border. I can understand that as well. But the ban did have serfs and in some military areas serfs were made into "free peasants" to encourage them to stay. What would a free peasant be called in Latin and Croatian? I found a link for the Military Frontier, I think it covers allot about the Military border. Very interesting........ http://tscholars.com/encyclopedia/Military_Frontier The Vukovar information is also very interesting and exciting news. Do you know if that means the District of Vukovar or the Free City of Vukovar? Thanks thats great! Best regards Kurt Tat417761@cs.com wrote: Kurt, Military Border was not under Ban's jurisdiction. It was not part of "banska Hrvatska" and it was a long struggle to have it returned to its mother country. The whole area was under military jurisdiction from Vienna. The rules on the estates varied from one to the other and of course over time. I believe in the Middle Ages the land belonged to the king. The movement of people was between the cities. In the villages, as Robert pointed out, people stayed for centuries. Nationality was not emphasized until 19th century. Vukovar was reported to have had cca 3000 inhabitants, 200 houses at the end of the Turkish rule. dr Former. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.

Hello Dr. Former, This very Interesting. The Vukovar that you are talking about must be The District or Estate of Vukovar as on this website it states: "The Franciscans and people from Olovo in Bosnia came to the liberated Ilok in 1688. Following the Turkish occupancy all liberated lands in Slavonia and Srijem that were considered as the Austrian Emperor's property. Thus Emperor Leopold I. awarded several estates between Danube and Sava rivers as well as the castle in Ilok to Livio Odescalchi, a nephew of the Pope Innocent XI., for his merits in battles against the Turks. About 50 inhabited houses remained in Vukovar when it was liberated in 1687 by the Christian armies. Beside the most numerous and indigenous Croatian population and so many newcomers were moving into the ravaged region between these some Orthodox Serbs that settled in a few deserted villages. The Empire's administration needed more labor to reside in the liberated area so a considerable number of Germans, Hungarians, Jews, Ruthenians and Slovaks had settled here too." http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/vukov.html I would really like to know where you found the information on Vukovar "3000 inhabitants, 200 houses" this is some of the information I was looking for. This would mean that the Historians were accurate when the state the area was deopulated. Thank You Best regards Kurt Tat417761@cs.com wrote: Kurt, Military Border was not under Ban's jurisdiction. It was not part of "banska Hrvatska" and it was a long struggle to have it returned to its mother country. The whole area was under military jurisdiction from Vienna. The rules on the estates varied from one to the other and of course over time. I believe in the Middle Ages the land belonged to the king. The movement of people was between the cities. In the villages, as Robert pointed out, people stayed for centuries. Nationality was not emphasized until 19th century. Vukovar was reported to have had cca 3000 inhabitants, 200 houses at the end of the Turkish rule. dr Former. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.