Kurt you are right when you say the online statistics are shooting way up. No body said Genealogy was easy and when people move even a short distance away you will have trouble finding them even here. You should have a tape recorder so you can transcribe the information. Some time memory does get foggy but you can pick up clues from the tapes long after the interview. In my case not possible as I learned this way too late. I also would like to know where the census's are and how to access them. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" <kurtmccrary@yahoo.com> Thank You Robert and list, By the way where are the Croatian Census's located?

Hello Nick, Yes tapes are great, When I compiled the history book of Attica, MI, And interviewed my mother about the genealogy, years ago, I used a video camera and it payed off big time, even if the interviewee was not accurate in the account, it helped find the correct information. I wish someone would have interviewed my grandparents.......would have saved years of research and probably would have gave us some veryinteresting stories. CENSUS records, Just can't seem to get a straight answer on them............ I have seen in my search Croatian authors reffer to them and use data from them, but to there location and who as access to them.............. I think its a secret.;-) Its hard to believe know one knows about them........ The Feudal System and the Military border information is very Interesting... I still have some questions on this military border and the Feudal System yet, but will have to do some reading before I get back to the list. Thank You Best regards Kurt nharamija <nharamija@wowway.com> wrote: Kurt you are right when you say the online statistics are shooting way up. No body said Genealogy was easy and when people move even a short distance away you will have trouble finding them even here. You should have a tape recorder so you can transcribe the information. Some time memory does get foggy but you can pick up clues from the tapes long after the interview. In my case not possible as I learned this way too late. I also would like to know where the census's are and how to access them. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" Thank You Robert and list, By the way where are the Croatian Census's located? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.

The Way I heard it was, the Zumbercani owned their own land in zadrugas, or, comunes each with their own family names. They spoke their own language in their church and were resented by the serfs. During the peasants revolt there was some dought as to which way the zumbercani would go. They went on the side of the bans and Matija Gubec was hung from the linden tree that is now known as Gubceva Lipa in Zagreb. That probably had a lot to do with the things that the Ustasi did there during the war. This all by wourd of mouth. Donald Marinkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" <kurtmccrary@yahoo.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Feudal system in Croatia > Hello Nick, > Yes tapes are great, When I compiled the history book of Attica, MI, And > interviewed my mother about the genealogy, years ago, I used a video > camera and it payed off big time, even if the interviewee was not accurate > in the account, it helped find the correct information. I wish someone > would have interviewed my grandparents.......would have saved years of > research and probably would have gave us some veryinteresting stories. > CENSUS records, Just can't seem to get a straight answer on > them............ I have seen in my search Croatian authors reffer to them > and use data from them, but to there location and who as access to > them.............. I think its a secret.;-) Its hard to believe know one > knows about them........ > The Feudal System and the Military border information is very > Interesting... I still have some questions on this military border and the > Feudal System yet, but will have to do some reading before I get back to > the list. > > Thank You > Best regards > Kurt > > nharamija <nharamija@wowway.com> wrote: Kurt you are right when you say > the online statistics are shooting way up. > No body said Genealogy was easy and when people move even a short distance > away you will have trouble finding them even here. > You should have a tape recorder so you can transcribe the information. > Some > time memory does get foggy but you can pick up clues from the tapes long > after the interview. In my case not possible as I learned this way too > late. > I also would like to know where the census's are and how to access them. > Nick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kurt McCrary" > > Thank You Robert and list, > By the way where are the Croatian Census's located? > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From what I have seen History is clouded by the politics of the writer and "Now" it is he said ,she said. American History is a mess, For the white Man" Indians" were the bad guys and for the French it was the English who were the bad guys and visa-versa. We can only read all we can and draw our own conclusions keeping in mind our own beliefs. There were so many conflicts between different nationalities that a true account will never be really true due to the bias of each person involved. Our parents came to this country for many number of reasons, most related to a better life, for them selves and offspring's. I am truly happy mine did, but as I did not grow up in a Croatian environment , I lost all close ties to my heritage and it is much too late but am giving a shot. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marinkovich" <djedo@2z.net> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Feudal system in Croatia