Magarac sounds so much like Madjarac [Hungarian], that a lot of people must have had fun with it. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Magarac :-) CROATIA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 >I believe it would be ja se ti... i has the sound of long e. > > hummerpleshe <hummerpleshe@comcast.net> wrote: that should be "jes te > magarac" > > On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:57 PM, hummerpleshe wrote: > >> And then there was "Je te magarac" which I will swear my father >> explained to me as an under the breath curse of a Magyar (Hungarian) >> oppressor. Like they assumed the man would assume they meant "magyar" >> but in reality they were being cursed and letting off a little steam >> :-) >> On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: >> >>> Andrija, >>> >>> Not that they can't affored vowels... the R serves the function of a >>> vowel when it is adjacent to 2 consonants... I love that part of the >>> language... very phonetic... very practical...it is the cases that >>> drive me crazy. I guess your father left later and the travel changed >>> for instance most Croatians would use Bremen but then after 1913 (WW I >>> effected things) other ports incl. Liverpool were used more >>> frequently... the burro is called magarac in Croatian... and in case >>> it is not known the American Folk Hero Joe Magarac, of Pittsburgh >>> Steel worker fame, was most likely taken from the Croatian word >>> magarac Thus my friend Joe Matesich from Pittsburgh has a long >>> running campaign to recruit people into the Magarac Club he even had >>> shirts made with the mural of Joe Magarac from the U. of Pittsburgh >>> >>> >>> http://vrcoll.fa.pitt.edu/uag/Past-Exhibitions/2000_Uwe_Wittwer/ >>> gropper.jpg >>> >>> ... as he meets new Croatian immigrants he will ask ti si >>> magarac?... of course they respond ni sam magarac ! until they hear >>> the story of this hard working Croatian... and then they smile and say >>> ja sam magarac! >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Magarac >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Andrija > --------------------------------- > wrote: >>> My fahter's parents, who lived in Lovrec, Imotski, traveled from >>> Trieste. I guess it was closer - just a burro ride down the mountain >>> to the Adriadic, then to Split, and by train to Trieste (which they >>> still call "Trst.) I guess they can't afford vowels. >>> >>> Andrija >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Donald A. Martinich" >>>> Sent: Feb 20, 2007 6:54 PM >>>> To: croatia@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] CROATIA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Message: 2 >>>>> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:56:40 -0800 >>>>> From: "L. Novasel" >>>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] NOVOSEL in Karlovac >>>>> To: Andrija >>> --------------------------------- >>> , croatia@rootsweb.com >>>>> Message-ID: <3EAE692A-C12D-11DB-97E5-000A95D1E4BE@mindspring.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> Andrija, >>>>> As a newcomer to Croatian research I'm only assuming that the same >>>>> context applies there as elsewhere in Europe. >>>>> Le Havre was a pivotal trading center in the years our ancestors >>>>> filed >>>>> for emigration. I understand there was a circular route, making >>>>> optimum >>>>> use of the ships. Cotton leaving from New Orleans for instance was >>>>> routed to London where the cargo was unloaded. The ship then loaded >>>>> trade goods destined for Le Havre, unloaded again, and took aboard >>>>> human cargo bound for America, completing the trade circle for the >>>>> shipping company. >>>>> >>>>> The contractor or travel organizer went into the villages, signed up >>>>> our emigrating great grandmothers and grandfathers, then escorted >>>>> them >>>>> to the shipper's home port, with whom he in turn had contracted. My >>>>> guess is that they traveled up the rivers avoiding trouble spots in >>>>> the >>>>> years preceding the war. Interesting Trieste wasn't utilized, but >>>>> hazarding another guess, there was most likely not trade material in >>>>> sufficient quantity to make the route profitable. Presumably the >>>>> political- economic instability would have guaranteed that. Just >>>>> speculation though. >>>>> >>>>> Nina >>>> >>>> Actually, Trieste was a port of embarkation. I just don't think it >>>> had anywhere the tonnage that came in and out of Le Havre. My father >>>> and his family arrived at Ellis Island on the SS Martha Washington, >>>> which was operated out of Trieste by Unione Austriaca from 1908 to >>>> 1914. After WW1, she transferred to the Italian owned Cosulich >>>> Lines, also of Trieste, and continued the New York run through the >>>> 20's. Incidentally, the Cosulich family originated in Mali Losinj. >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. 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