Hello, Could someone please give me an idea of what the following artcile is about? Thank you, Paul CRTEZI STARI 300 VEKOVA Stotine metara detaljno uklesanih i dobro ocuvanih "skica" iz praistorije. Spektakularni praistorijski crtezi stari vise od 30.000 godina, odnosno 300 vekova, pronadeni su u podzemnoj pecini u oblasti Dordonj na jugozapadu Francuske, saopstili su arheolozi... Objavljujuci ovo epohalno otkrice koje su po znacaju uporedili sa cuvenim pecinskim slikama otkrivenim u obliznjem Laskou, francuski arheolozi su rekli da su u jednoj pecini kod Perigea identifikovali na stotine metara detaljnih, duboko u zidove uklesanih i dobro ocuvanih crteza zivotinja poput bizona, konja, mamuta, nosoroga, ljudskih figura i nekih cudnih zveri koje naucnici tek treba da identifikuju. U ovako ukrasenoj pecini u malom selu Kisak pronadeni su i grobovi sa ostacima sedam ljudi, sto je otkrice bez presedana. Zasad se ne zna da li su pronadeni kosturi ljudi iste starosti koliko i crtezi. Ovu pecinsku umetnost otkrio je jedan lokalni arheolog amater jos u septembru prosle godine, ali razmere i kvalitet otkrica obelodanjeni su tek ove nedelje. "Otkrice je znacajno po svojim uklesanim crtezima koliko i pecina Lasko po svojim slikama", izjavio je voda tima arheologa Dani Baro. Slike u Laskou, stare 18.000 godina, koje je otkrio jedan cobanin tridesetih godina, vaze za najbogatiji primerak praistorijske umetnosti u Evropi. "Monumentalni karakter ovih crteza, gde su zidovi u duzini od nekih 25 metara oslikani sa 40 figura, ukljucujuci cetiri metra dugackog bizona, ukazuje na arheoloski znacaj Kisaka", izjavio je Norber Ozula iz Nacionalnog centra za praistoriju. Eksperti sada analiziraju rezultate testova starosti crteza, ali je gotovo sigurno da su oni mnogo stariji od slika u Laskou. Zasad se ne planira otvaranje pecine za publiku zbog opasnosti da crtezi budu osteceni, ali ce ova praistorijska umetnost sigurno biti izlozena i dostupna javnosti u nekom obliku, u vidu replike pecine poput one koja je napravljena kod Laskoa ili kroz virtuelnu realnost, saopstili su arheolozi. Glas javnosti

http://tranexp.com:2000/InterTran This is a free translation service, this is as good as I can do.... CRTEZI HOARY 300 VEKOVA Hundredth meter in-depth [uklesanih] plus well-being [ocuvanih] "cartoon" through [praistorije]. [Spektakularni] [praistorijski] [crtezi] hoary [vise] with 30.000 year, relatively 300 [vekova], [pronadeni] have been into a [podzemnoj] [pecini] into a region [Dordonj] at an southwest [Francuske], [saopstili] have been arheolozi... [Objavljujuci] this time [otkrice] which have been per [znacaju] [uporedili] from an [cuvenim] [pecinskim] cartoon unclosed into a [obliznjem] [Laskou], French [arheolozi] have been [rekli] yes we do have been into a [jednoj] [pecini] with [Perigea] [identifikovali] at an hundredth meter particular, low into a [zidove] [uklesanih] plus well-being [ocuvanih] [crteza] [zivotinja] like the buffalo, horse, mammoth, rhinoceros, human man plus certain [cudnih] [zveri] which [naucnici] merely is required yes we do [identifikuju]. INTO A like this [ukrasenoj] [pecini] into a few [selu] [Kisak] [pronadeni] have been plus grave from an remain seven men, hundred had [otkrice] unprecedented. [Zasad] does does not [zna] whether have been [pronadeni] carcass men coeval how many plus [crtezi]. [Ovu] [pecinsku] [umetnost] [otkrio] had some local archaeologist dilettante [jos] into a [septembru] [prosle] the present time, limit [razmere] plus [kvalitet] [otkrica] [obelodanjeni] have been merely [ove] [nedelje]. "[Otkrice] had [znacajno] per its [uklesanim] [crtezima] how many plus [pecina] [Lasko] per its cartoon", [izjavio] had water [tima] archaeologist Days [Baro]. Imagery into a [Laskou], hoary 18.000 year, which had [otkrio] some [cobanin] thirty year, [vaze] for [najbogatiji] [primerak] [praistorijske] [umetnosti] into a [Evropi]. "[Monumentalni] letter [ovih] [crteza], [gde] have been [zidovi] into a [duzini] with certain 25 meter [oslikani] from an 40 man, [ukljucujuci] [cetiri] [metra] [dugackog] buffalo, firman at an [arheoloski] [znacaj] [Kisaka]", [izjavio] had [Norber] [Ozula] through [Nacionalnog] cent for [praistoriju]. Expert today [analiziraju] upshot test the present time [crteza], limit had half undoubtedly yes we do have been those much learner with cartoon into a [Laskou]. [Zasad] does does not plans to undoing [pecine] for [publiku] due to threat yes we do [crtezi] [budu] [osteceni], limit [ce] this [praistorijska] [umetnost] undoubtedly to be [izlozena] plus [dostupna] world into a [nekom] format, into a [vidu] [replike] [pecine] like the they which had made with [Laskoa] or through [virtuelnu] reality, [saopstili] have been [arheolozi]. Voice of the world ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul F. Kisak" <kki@visuallink.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Article (translate/summary) > Hello, > > Could someone please give me an idea of what the > > following artcile is about? > > Thank you, > > Paul > > > > CRTEZI STARI 300 VEKOVA > > Stotine metara detaljno uklesanih i dobro ocuvanih "skica" iz praistorije. Spektakularni praistorijski crtezi stari vise od 30.000 godina, odnosno 300 vekova, pronadeni su u podzemnoj pecini u oblasti Dordonj na jugozapadu Francuske, saopstili su arheolozi... > > Objavljujuci ovo epohalno otkrice koje su po znacaju uporedili sa cuvenim pecinskim slikama otkrivenim u obliznjem Laskou, francuski arheolozi su rekli da su u jednoj pecini kod Perigea identifikovali na stotine metara detaljnih, duboko u zidove uklesanih i dobro ocuvanih crteza zivotinja poput bizona, konja, mamuta, nosoroga, ljudskih figura i nekih cudnih zveri koje naucnici tek treba da identifikuju. > > U ovako ukrasenoj pecini u malom selu Kisak pronadeni su i grobovi sa ostacima sedam ljudi, sto je otkrice bez presedana. Zasad se ne zna da li su pronadeni kosturi ljudi iste starosti koliko i crtezi. Ovu pecinsku umetnost otkrio je jedan lokalni arheolog amater jos u septembru prosle godine, ali razmere i kvalitet otkrica obelodanjeni su tek ove nedelje. > > "Otkrice je znacajno po svojim uklesanim crtezima koliko i pecina Lasko po svojim slikama", izjavio je voda tima arheologa Dani Baro. Slike u Laskou, stare 18.000 godina, koje je otkrio jedan cobanin tridesetih godina, vaze za najbogatiji primerak praistorijske umetnosti u Evropi. > > "Monumentalni karakter ovih crteza, gde su zidovi u duzini od nekih 25 metara oslikani sa 40 figura, ukljucujuci cetiri metra dugackog bizona, ukazuje na arheoloski znacaj Kisaka", izjavio je Norber Ozula iz Nacionalnog centra za praistoriju. > > Eksperti sada analiziraju rezultate testova starosti crteza, ali je gotovo sigurno da su oni mnogo stariji od slika u Laskou. Zasad se ne planira otvaranje pecine za publiku zbog opasnosti da crtezi budu osteceni, ali ce ova praistorijska umetnost sigurno biti izlozena i dostupna javnosti u nekom obliku, u vidu replike pecine poput one koja je napravljena kod Laskoa ili kroz virtuelnu realnost, saopstili su arheolozi. > > Glas javnosti > > >

Hello List I just wanted to share with you that when I opened my emails this morning, not expecting too much for a Sunday an email for Fra Ante Logara from Kapucini Samostan Sv Josipa who I had emailed back in early June. After this I emailed them twice more but had not heard back from anyone. My mother said to be patient as that some of the Priests had a long way to go to visit their congregations and had lots of villages to look after. That when they had time that they would write. I thought oh yeah, like all my other emails it'd be another door closing in my face. I also thought my only chance would be to travel there myself and camp myself in front of their door step and make a pest of myself. I'd just about given up hope and just about decided to go back to researching my husband's side of the family as I'd been able to go back as far as 1400's on one of his lines and still going strong. I've already complied a book on his tree and just wanted to concentrate on my line. At present I have over 1,000 names linked to his family line. I didnt realise that my Croatian Roots would take a year 1/2 just to locate where the records were actually held. But this morning I received a document attached to my email from Father Logara and when I opened it, it had 3 pages of names and dates that he had transcribed from the books he has at the Monestry. I'm still dancing and laughing around the room and can't contain my enjoyment. So I just wanted to say to all you others DONT GIVE UP it will happen just be patient and persistant. Now I have to wait for my parents to come over today to read the rest that I cant understand as he has written to me in Croatian and get them to write some things in Croatian so I can write back and thank him so much. Also as special thanks to Frank who has helped me along the way and the others on the list. Regards Mary - (who can't stop smiling)

Congratulations Mary, I know how difficult it can be. I haven't been able to make much progress for over a year. My relatives near Zagreb either don't know anymore or don't care about genealogy. Best, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Success Story > Hello List > > I just wanted to share with you that when I opened my emails this morning, > not expecting too much for a Sunday an email for Fra Ante Logara from > Kapucini Samostan Sv Josipa who I had emailed back in early June. After > this I emailed them twice more but had not heard back from anyone. My > mother said to be patient as that some of the Priests had a long way to go > to visit their congregations and had lots of villages to look after. That > when they had time that they would write. I thought oh yeah, like all my > other emails it'd be another door closing in my face. I also thought my only > chance would be to travel there myself and camp myself in front of their > door step and make a pest of myself. I'd just about given up hope and just > about decided to go back to researching my husband's side of the family as > I'd been able to go back as far as 1400's on one of his lines and still > going strong. I've already complied a book on his tree and just wanted to > concentrate on my line. At present I have over 1,000 names linked to his > family line. I didnt realise that my Croatian Roots would take a year 1/2 > just to locate where the records were actually held. > > But this morning I received a document attached to my email from Father > Logara and when I opened it, it had 3 pages of names and dates that he had > transcribed from the books he has at the Monestry. > > I'm still dancing and laughing around the room and can't contain my > enjoyment. So I just wanted to say to all you others DONT GIVE UP it will > happen just be patient and persistant. Now I have to wait for my parents to > come over today to read the rest that I cant understand as he has written to > me in Croatian and get them to write some things in Croatian so I can write > back and thank him so much. > > Also as special thanks to Frank who has helped me along the way and the > others on the list. > > Regards > Mary - (who can't stop smiling) > >