Good Afternoon List, I am fairly new to this list so My response to the Croatian Heraldry has been met with skepticism. I have been a lurker since late September hoping for some topic that might lead to discussion about the Zrinyi/Zrinski surname... since this did not occur I will open with my querie: I am seeking to fill in a gap in my wife's family's genealogy ...We have been told by her father that his line connects to Miklos Zrinyi, but I have failed to make the connection ...If anyone on this list has a current Genealogy that traces the line to present day, or to last century I would like to hear from You either by way of this list or personal email. Since my wife's line is from Hungary this list may not have the information I am looking for, But on the Other hand Since the name implies "from Zrin" an area of Croatia someone might have some information that could assist me in my Quest. Respectfully Yours Robert P Stutsman "Hands off the Magyars" Miklos Zrinyi

My appologies to Heraldry. There were attachments that I missed. They are in cyrlic, but I might be able to get it translated.

I sent a message inquiring about Marinkovich and Gvozdanovich. I think that I got a run around. I had some much better information from David Hollis. He sent copies of articles from the Austrian books. Wappen Buch and Adels Buch. Not very sure of the spelling. There is also a book, Plemenitski, Zbor That deals with that, Plemenitststvo means nobility. Donald Marinkovich

I sent off an email regarding any possible nobility connections for BAKIC, MATKOVIC, and VUKSIC - it will be interesting to see if they reply. Has anyone else tried this yet? I'm more than just curious since I have so much mystery remaining about what happened to Josip Matkovic- and dad use to insist we were descended from nobility. Dave

I sent them an email about an hour ago congratulating them on their webpage and asking if Jerolim Kavanjin, the famous poet ,had a Heraldry Shield. I am waiting to hear from them. Ella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <peregrine1@rogers.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Croatian Heraldry Office at www.croatian-heraldry.com > > I have contacted the site and they responded ...by giving me the > email address to someone of importance > Robert P Stutsman > At 06:37 PM 12/15/2006, you wrote: >>Dave, >> >> Hmmm I find a web page that only allows you to "email" them with >> a promise to repsond.... and no button with info about who they >> are... nor any references. Having worked with the few genealogists >> in Croatia and being a member of The Croatian Genealogy Society >> based in Zagreb... no one has mentioned this so-called "office"... >> >> Better we should use the services of the reputable genealogists >> in Croatia.... but let us know what "their" response is... my guess >> is that for XXX$$$ we can supply you with info about "your" family >> coat of arms... But then this is just my gut feeling since this >> "office" has apparently seen fit to make themselves "invisible" on >> the internet! >> >> Robert >> >> >>"davem9759@juno.com" <davem9759@juno.com> wrote: >> I sent off an email regarding any possible nobility connections >> for BAKIC, MATKOVIC, and VUKSIC - it will be interesting to see if they >> reply. >> >>Has anyone else tried this yet? >>I'm more than just curious since I have so much mystery remaining >>about what happened to Josip Matkovic- and dad use to insist we were >>descended from nobility. >> >>Dave >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own >>facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>__________ NOD32 1924 (20061215) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have contacted the site and they responded ...by giving me the email address to someone of importance Robert P Stutsman At 06:37 PM 12/15/2006, you wrote: >Dave, > > Hmmm I find a web page that only allows you to "email" them with > a promise to repsond.... and no button with info about who they > are... nor any references. Having worked with the few genealogists > in Croatia and being a member of The Croatian Genealogy Society > based in Zagreb... no one has mentioned this so-called "office"... > > Better we should use the services of the reputable genealogists > in Croatia.... but let us know what "their" response is... my guess > is that for XXX$$$ we can supply you with info about "your" family > coat of arms... But then this is just my gut feeling since this > "office" has apparently seen fit to make themselves "invisible" on > the internet! > > Robert > > >"davem9759@juno.com" <davem9759@juno.com> wrote: > I sent off an email regarding any possible nobility connections > for BAKIC, MATKOVIC, and VUKSIC - it will be interesting to see if they reply. > >Has anyone else tried this yet? >I'm more than just curious since I have so much mystery remaining >about what happened to Josip Matkovic- and dad use to insist we were >descended from nobility. > >Dave > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own >facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >__________ NOD32 1924 (20061215) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com

????? Can you tell the List who would be "someone of importance"? :) Forgive me ...but this web page sounds "fishy". And if they are not then they should give more info from the outset.... My experience with this "heraldy" stuff is that most is made up. Robert Robert <peregrine1@rogers.com> wrote: I have contacted the site and they responded ...by giving me the email address to someone of importance Robert P Stutsman At 06:37 PM 12/15/2006, you wrote: >Dave, > > Hmmm I find a web page that only allows you to "email" them with > a promise to repsond.... and no button with info about who they > are... nor any references. Having worked with the few genealogists > in Croatia and being a member of The Croatian Genealogy Society > based in Zagreb... no one has mentioned this so-called "office"... > > Better we should use the services of the reputable genealogists > in Croatia.... but let us know what "their" response is... my guess > is that for XXX$$$ we can supply you with info about "your" family > coat of arms... But then this is just my gut feeling since this > "office" has apparently seen fit to make themselves "invisible" on > the internet! > > Robert > > >"davem9759@juno.com" wrote: > I sent off an email regarding any possible nobility connections > for BAKIC, MATKOVIC, and VUKSIC - it will be interesting to see if they reply. > >Has anyone else tried this yet? >I'm more than just curious since I have so much mystery remaining >about what happened to Josip Matkovic- and dad use to insist we were >descended from nobility. > >Dave > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own >facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >__________ NOD32 1924 (20061215) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Dave, Hmmm I find a web page that only allows you to "email" them with a promise to repsond.... and no button with info about who they are... nor any references. Having worked with the few genealogists in Croatia and being a member of The Croatian Genealogy Society based in Zagreb... no one has mentioned this so-called "office"... Better we should use the services of the reputable genealogists in Croatia.... but let us know what "their" response is... my guess is that for XXX$$$ we can supply you with info about "your" family coat of arms... But then this is just my gut feeling since this "office" has apparently seen fit to make themselves "invisible" on the internet! Robert "davem9759@juno.com" <davem9759@juno.com> wrote: I sent off an email regarding any possible nobility connections for BAKIC, MATKOVIC, and VUKSIC - it will be interesting to see if they reply. Has anyone else tried this yet? I'm more than just curious since I have so much mystery remaining about what happened to Josip Matkovic- and dad use to insist we were descended from nobility. Dave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Dave. good luck in your search. Let me know if you find anything on Matcovich. Hardly think I had nobility in my line but one never knows. I believe that MIlosovic's wife was a Matcovich. My G. Grandfather's parents migrated from Russia but don't know if that was before he was bn. or after. Still don't know the village where he lived in Dalmatia only that it was in the mts. and they had a vineyard. Let me know if you learn anything new on your Josip. Do you have ancestry? They have loads of info now. Best, Phyllis

My family had "Matcovic". Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <davem9759@juno.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Croatian Heraldry Office at www.croatian-heraldry.com >I sent off an email regarding any possible nobility connections for BAKIC, >MATKOVIC, and VUKSIC - it will be interesting to see if they reply. > > Has anyone else tried this yet? > I'm more than just curious since I have so much mystery remaining about > what happened to Josip Matkovic- and dad use to insist we were descended > from nobility. > > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: > 12/15/2006 > >

Dear list, At www.croatian-heraldry.com you may find more about Croatian Heraldry Office. *The Croatian Heraldry Office was established to provide relevant and efficient heraldic and related genealogical services to the people of Croatia and people with Croatian background living outside Croatia. * The Croatian Heraldry Office is located in Croatia; it consults and closely collaborates with national and international heraldic authorities, archives, heraldic artists, heraldic and genealogy associations, armorial registers, nobility associations, dynastic houses and recognized chivalry orders. The Office will examine received applications for the registration of heraldic representations and issue certificates of registration of armorials, genealogy and nobility. In addition, the Office will give advice regarding heraldic representations and genealogical research. The Office can be contacted on officer@croatian-heraldry.com Best regards Croatian Heraldry Office

I can't remember if I posted these Dalmatian goodies here before or not, but, there's probably a few new people, so here goes- Pushuratas (from Brac ) from: Stephen Sekul Pitalo, Biloxi, Miss. 2lb self- rising flour 1 cup orange zest 1/2 cup lemon zest 2 Tbsp cinnamon 1 1/2 cups raisins 1 1/2 cups sugar 2 cups chopped pecans 2 Tbsp baking powder 2 Tbsp vanilla 3 cups milk 1/2 cup apple sauce Dough should look like a bisquit, not wet, not too dry. Shape dough into 1 to 1 1/4 inch ball and fry in hot oil until golden brown. icing: 3 or 4 boxes or powdered sugar 1 tsp almond extract 1 can evaporated milk large size Put pushuratas into sugar icing and coat thickly, then let dry. That's written exactly as I received it. I don't think there is any trick to mixing the ingredients, just make sure everything is evenly distributed. I'd probably mix the dry stuff first and then add the wetter things with water last. If you fry in shallow oil, just remember to turn them for even cooking. As for the icing- any basic cookbook should have that. Prsurate (pronounced pursh-uh-rah-teh) from: Catherine Arkovich, Women's Guild, St.Anthony Croatian Catholic Church, L.A., CA. 1 sifter of of unsifted flour (about 3 1/2 cups) 1 cup sugar 1 tsp. salt 3 large apples Place all of the above in a large bowl. Pour about 2 cups of rolling boiling water over all, slowly stirring until you have a thick paste. Add 3 large apples that have been cooked (hot apple sauce). Let this set until cool, covered. 1 cup walnuts, cut up 1 cup white raisins, plumped in hot water 2 coarsely grated apples 1/4 cup pine nuts rind of 2 oranges 1 lemon rind When dough has been cooled, add walnuts, raisins (squeezed dry), apples, pine nuts, and grated citrus rinds. 3/4 c. whiskey 2 Tbsp. anise 2 Tbsp. lemon extract or other liqueur 1/2 tsp. nutmeg Mix ingredients listed above; add to dough when cool. Tip: add 1 1/2 teaspoons baking soda last. Beat slightly and let set for a little while. I leave for 2 hours. 6 cups vegetable oil 1 cup olive oil Mix the oils in a deep iron skillet. Heat oil to stage when the dough is dropped in it will rise to the surface quickly. Fry in hot oil size you desire- either by teaspoons or tablespoons. Roll in sugar and serve culd. Can be stored in airtight container for several weeks. Tips: Be careful using the hot water, as sometimes your apple sauce is more juicy than other times. Use good size apples. If dough is watery, add just a little more flour. If you don't use up all the liqueur it can keep. Use it with the dough after stored if it looks dry. This dough will keep a week. Use whiskey and flavorings at your discretion. Use your own judgment about amounts. The following is my grandmother Peruzovic's (from Milna, Brac) recipe for a cookie often made at Christmas time. Hrstule (pronounced hurst'-uh-lay) 4 eggs 4 half-eggshells of sugar 3/4 tsp. salt 3 cups flour (all purpose) 4 Tbs. olive oil 1 tsp. vanilla extract 3 Tbs. brandy Anise flavoring to taste. Olive oil for deep frying Break eggs into bowl, reserving one eggshell half (fat end) with which to measure sugar. Add rest of ingredients and mix into a consistent dough. Have ready a floured board or marble. Take a small portion at a time and roll out until the dough is thin enough to read newspaper headlines through it. Take a ravioli cutting wheel and cut strips 1 inch wide and 9-10 inches long. Tie strips into an overhand knot (like a pretzel) and deep fry a few at a time. Don't let the olive oil heat to smoking. Fry to a light yellow-tan; don't brown. Let cool. Sprinkle with sugar. (an electric frying pan works well) This should be enough for the usual large family Christmas gathering. Sretan Bozic (Merry Christmas) D.A.Martinich

Andy, I enjoyed this story. Thanks, Denise In a message dated 12/8/2006 6:46:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, nixonar@earthlink.net writes: Robert, While I totally agree with your diatribe about the fact that Jugoslavia has melted down, I cannot help but smile from the irony. As a lad growing up my household consisted of a father whose both parents immigrated from "Croatia," although his father, my grandfather, to the day of his death insisted he was neither Yugoslav nor Croatian, but Austrian, as the country he fled was Austria-Hungary. My mother's mother came from what is now Croatia and her father was a Bosnian Serb. We were never allowed to refer to ourselves as Croatian in our home. Rather it was pounded into us that we were "Americans of Yugoslav decent." His analogy was, We are "Americans, not Pennsylvanians." He did concede however, that we could refer to ourselves as Dalmatians. I never figured that one out - not Croatian but Dalmatian. My how history changes our perspective. Sretan Bozic i Nova Godina to you too, and to all on the list. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Christmas Cookies Hate to beat a dead horse but Yugoslavia ceased to exist over 2 years ago! The countries from that old short lived "union" are Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia. I would not care to hear someone refer to the US as the British colonies in North America or to Ohio as Conn. (the part of Ohio where I live was the Western Reserve of Conn.) Sorry if some don't care for my insistence in correctness of terms but people paid a price for these changes and we owe it to them to be correct. Sretan Bozic i Nova Godina Robert Barbara Reincke <cougar730@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks! Natalie Prodan wrote: No Garabije does not translate into the meaning cookie. It's just telling you a "type" of cookie. Kind of like saying, peanut butter cookie verses sugar cookie. Here are the most common words for cookie by croatians. The other nationalities within Yugoslavia and croatia may have some differences in these words so keep that in mind. cookie --> biskvit cookie (exact translation: dried pastry) --> suhi kolači cookie --> kolačiÄ? cookie --> cookie (my relatives overseas just say "cookie" LOL!) fortune cookie --> kolačiÄ? sudbine On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Barbara Reincke wrote: I searched the internet earlier this year for the same thing. I found the following recipe, which I made for Thanksgiving. They taste almost like those Girl Scout shortbread cookies. Anyone know what Garabije means? I'm guessing cookie! CROATIAN GARABIJE 5 cups sifted flour 2 cups sugar 1 cup butter 1 cup shortening 6 egg yolks 2 tablespoons sour cream 1-1/2 teaspoons vanilla Make as for a pie crust; roll out and cut with cookie cutter or cookie press. Bake 12 to 15 mintues at 350 F. I did not frost them or anything and used about a 2" round cookie cutter. The above yielded about 10 dozen cookies! Good luck! "Reuter, Patty" wrote: Hello all, I am looking for a Croatian cookie recipe. Last year someone sent a recipe for Hrstule and my family loved it. We make it every once in a while, it is pretty easy. I need to move on to a different recipe. Broaden my horizons a little. Any idea's? Thank you and Sretan Bozic, Patty ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. 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His wife was Dora CULINA Robert Natalie Prodan <prodan@alltel.net> wrote: Out of curiosity Robert. Who survived him? Wasn't he married to an "Alenna"? On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:41 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: Jerome Brentar, 84, ran travel agency, gained fame as Demjanjuk supporter Tuesday, December 05, 2006 Alana Baranick Plain Dealer Reporter Jerome Brentar, who helped numerous Eastern European immigrants get established in Cleveland but gained wider fame for helping fight government allegations that John Demjanjuk served as a Nazi guard during World War II, died Friday. The 84-year-old retired travel agent was pronounced dead at Euclid General Hospital after being found on the floor at his Cleveland home. Cuyahoga County Coroner Elizabeth Balraj said Brentar's death was the result of a head injury. She will rule after an investigation. Brentar generated controversy as a Demjanjuk supporter, spending 17 years interviewing Nazi guards and camp survivors to help clear the Seven Hills auto worker from a death sentence in Israel in the 1990s. Brentar, who had screened thousands of refugees looking for help from the United Nations International Refugee Organization in the late 1940s, also testified in depositions on behalf of other men accused of working with Nazis. Joseph McGinness, a lawyer who defended such clients, said, "Jerry was probably one of the kindest people you'd ever want to meet, and he had a big heart. He was a person who was constantly in pursuit of truth and justice." Brentar, a Cleveland native and son of Croatian immigrants, founded Europa Travel, which became one of the largest chartered booking agencies in Cleveland. For decades, he opened his home to newly arrived immigrants, who stayed with his family until he helped them land jobs and find homes. He sponsored local performances of Croatian musical groups to expose Clevelanders to other cultures. MY NOTE: Jerry was a young soldier at the close of WW II in Europe. He found a camp filled with women and children in Austria.... they all spoke Croatian. These people had lost their husbands and fathers to the war... he brought 50 of these women and children to the US, the first Croatian refugees to be allowed into America under the DP Act... Jerry never stopped he defended those who had no one on their side and most recently helped Croatian Bosnian refugees (inc those of Muslim faith) POKOJ VJECNI We will miss him! Robert "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Out of curiosity Robert. Who survived him? Wasn't he married to an "Alenna"? On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:41 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: Jerome Brentar, 84, ran travel agency, gained fame as Demjanjuk supporter Tuesday, December 05, 2006 Alana Baranick Plain Dealer Reporter Jerome Brentar, who helped numerous Eastern European immigrants get established in Cleveland but gained wider fame for helping fight government allegations that John Demjanjuk served as a Nazi guard during World War II, died Friday. The 84-year-old retired travel agent was pronounced dead at Euclid General Hospital after being found on the floor at his Cleveland home. Cuyahoga County Coroner Elizabeth Balraj said Brentar's death was the result of a head injury. She will rule after an investigation. Brentar generated controversy as a Demjanjuk supporter, spending 17 years interviewing Nazi guards and camp survivors to help clear the Seven Hills auto worker from a death sentence in Israel in the 1990s. Brentar, who had screened thousands of refugees looking for help from the United Nations International Refugee Organization in the late 1940s, also testified in depositions on behalf of other men accused of working with Nazis. Joseph McGinness, a lawyer who defended such clients, said, "Jerry was probably one of the kindest people you'd ever want to meet, and he had a big heart. He was a person who was constantly in pursuit of truth and justice." Brentar, a Cleveland native and son of Croatian immigrants, founded Europa Travel, which became one of the largest chartered booking agencies in Cleveland. For decades, he opened his home to newly arrived immigrants, who stayed with his family until he helped them land jobs and find homes. He sponsored local performances of Croatian musical groups to expose Clevelanders to other cultures. MY NOTE: Jerry was a young soldier at the close of WW II in Europe. He found a camp filled with women and children in Austria.... they all spoke Croatian. These people had lost their husbands and fathers to the war... he brought 50 of these women and children to the US, the first Croatian refugees to be allowed into America under the DP Act... Jerry never stopped he defended those who had no one on their side and most recently helped Croatian Bosnian refugees (inc those of Muslim faith) POKOJ VJECNI We will miss him! Robert "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, While I totally agree with your diatribe about the fact that Jugoslavia has melted down, I cannot help but smile from the irony. As a lad growing up my household consisted of a father whose both parents immigrated from "Croatia," although his father, my grandfather, to the day of his death insisted he was neither Yugoslav nor Croatian, but Austrian, as the country he fled was Austria-Hungary. My mother's mother came from what is now Croatia and her father was a Bosnian Serb. We were never allowed to refer to ourselves as Croatian in our home. Rather it was pounded into us that we were "Americans of Yugoslav decent." His analogy was, We are "Americans, not Pennsylvanians." He did concede however, that we could refer to ourselves as Dalmatians. I never figured that one out - not Croatian but Dalmatian. My how history changes our perspective. Sretan Bozic i Nova Godina to you too, and to all on the list. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Christmas Cookies Hate to beat a dead horse but Yugoslavia ceased to exist over 2 years ago! The countries from that old short lived "union" are Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia. I would not care to hear someone refer to the US as the British colonies in North America or to Ohio as Conn. (the part of Ohio where I live was the Western Reserve of Conn.) Sorry if some don't care for my insistence in correctness of terms but people paid a price for these changes and we owe it to them to be correct. Sretan Bozic i Nova Godina Robert Barbara Reincke <cougar730@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks! Natalie Prodan wrote: No Garabije does not translate into the meaning cookie. It's just telling you a "type" of cookie. Kind of like saying, peanut butter cookie verses sugar cookie. Here are the most common words for cookie by croatians. The other nationalities within Yugoslavia and croatia may have some differences in these words so keep that in mind. cookie --> biskvit cookie (exact translation: dried pastry) --> suhi kolači cookie --> kolačiÄ? cookie --> cookie (my relatives overseas just say "cookie" LOL!) fortune cookie --> kolačiÄ? sudbine On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Barbara Reincke wrote: I searched the internet earlier this year for the same thing. I found the following recipe, which I made for Thanksgiving. They taste almost like those Girl Scout shortbread cookies. Anyone know what Garabije means? I'm guessing cookie! CROATIAN GARABIJE 5 cups sifted flour 2 cups sugar 1 cup butter 1 cup shortening 6 egg yolks 2 tablespoons sour cream 1-1/2 teaspoons vanilla Make as for a pie crust; roll out and cut with cookie cutter or cookie press. Bake 12 to 15 mintues at 350 F. I did not frost them or anything and used about a 2" round cookie cutter. The above yielded about 10 dozen cookies! Good luck! "Reuter, Patty" wrote: Hello all, I am looking for a Croatian cookie recipe. Last year someone sent a recipe for Hrstule and my family loved it. We make it every once in a while, it is pretty easy. I need to move on to a different recipe. Broaden my horizons a little. Any idea's? Thank you and Sretan Bozic, Patty ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. 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Hate to beat a dead horse but Yugoslavia ceased to exist over 2 years ago! The countries from that old short lived "union" are Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia. I would not care to hear someone refer to the US as the British colonies in North America or to Ohio as Conn. (the part of Ohio where I live was the Western Reserve of Conn.) Sorry if some don't care for my insistence in correctness of terms but people paid a price for these changes and we owe it to them to be correct. Sretan Bozic i Nova Godina Robert Barbara Reincke <cougar730@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks! Natalie Prodan wrote: No Garabije does not translate into the meaning cookie. It's just telling you a "type" of cookie. Kind of like saying, peanut butter cookie verses sugar cookie. Here are the most common words for cookie by croatians. The other nationalities within Yugoslavia and croatia may have some differences in these words so keep that in mind. cookie --> biskvit cookie (exact translation: dried pastry) --> suhi kolači cookie --> kolačić cookie --> cookie (my relatives overseas just say "cookie" LOL!) fortune cookie --> kolačić sudbine On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Barbara Reincke wrote: I searched the internet earlier this year for the same thing. I found the following recipe, which I made for Thanksgiving. They taste almost like those Girl Scout shortbread cookies. Anyone know what Garabije means? I'm guessing cookie! CROATIAN GARABIJE 5 cups sifted flour 2 cups sugar 1 cup butter 1 cup shortening 6 egg yolks 2 tablespoons sour cream 1-1/2 teaspoons vanilla Make as for a pie crust; roll out and cut with cookie cutter or cookie press. Bake 12 to 15 mintues at 350 F. I did not frost them or anything and used about a 2" round cookie cutter. The above yielded about 10 dozen cookies! Good luck! "Reuter, Patty" wrote: Hello all, I am looking for a Croatian cookie recipe. Last year someone sent a recipe for Hrstule and my family loved it. We make it every once in a while, it is pretty easy. I need to move on to a different recipe. Broaden my horizons a little. Any idea's? Thank you and Sretan Bozic, Patty ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit www.messagelabs.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message WINTER IN GATLINBURG: http://www.thevillasofgatlinburg.com/book/house.html?Num=511 --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message WINTER IN GATLINBURG: http://www.thevillasofgatlinburg.com/book/house.html?Num=511 --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Jerome Brentar, 84, ran travel agency, gained fame as Demjanjuk supporter Tuesday, December 05, 2006 Alana Baranick Plain Dealer Reporter Jerome Brentar, who helped numerous Eastern European immigrants get established in Cleveland but gained wider fame for helping fight government allegations that John Demjanjuk served as a Nazi guard during World War II, died Friday. The 84-year-old retired travel agent was pronounced dead at Euclid General Hospital after being found on the floor at his Cleveland home. Cuyahoga County Coroner Elizabeth Balraj said Brentar's death was the result of a head injury. She will rule after an investigation. Brentar generated controversy as a Demjanjuk supporter, spending 17 years interviewing Nazi guards and camp survivors to help clear the Seven Hills auto worker from a death sentence in Israel in the 1990s. Brentar, who had screened thousands of refugees looking for help from the United Nations International Refugee Organization in the late 1940s, also testified in depositions on behalf of other men accused of working with Nazis. Joseph McGinness, a lawyer who defended such clients, said, "Jerry was probably one of the kindest people you'd ever want to meet, and he had a big heart. He was a person who was constantly in pursuit of truth and justice." Brentar, a Cleveland native and son of Croatian immigrants, founded Europa Travel, which became one of the largest chartered booking agencies in Cleveland. For decades, he opened his home to newly arrived immigrants, who stayed with his family until he helped them land jobs and find homes. He sponsored local performances of Croatian musical groups to expose Clevelanders to other cultures. MY NOTE: Jerry was a young soldier at the close of WW II in Europe. He found a camp filled with women and children in Austria.... they all spoke Croatian. These people had lost their husbands and fathers to the war... he brought 50 of these women and children to the US, the first Croatian refugees to be allowed into America under the DP Act... Jerry never stopped he defended those who had no one on their side and most recently helped Croatian Bosnian refugees (inc those of Muslim faith) POKOJ VJECNI We will miss him! Robert "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Thanks! Natalie Prodan <prodan@alltel.net> wrote: No Garabije does not translate into the meaning cookie. It's just telling you a "type" of cookie. Kind of like saying, peanut butter cookie verses sugar cookie. Here are the most common words for cookie by croatians. The other nationalities within Yugoslavia and croatia may have some differences in these words so keep that in mind. cookie --> biskvit cookie (exact translation: dried pastry) --> suhi kolači cookie --> kolačić cookie --> cookie (my relatives overseas just say "cookie" LOL!) fortune cookie --> kolačić sudbine On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Barbara Reincke wrote: I searched the internet earlier this year for the same thing. I found the following recipe, which I made for Thanksgiving. They taste almost like those Girl Scout shortbread cookies. Anyone know what Garabije means? I'm guessing cookie! CROATIAN GARABIJE 5 cups sifted flour 2 cups sugar 1 cup butter 1 cup shortening 6 egg yolks 2 tablespoons sour cream 1-1/2 teaspoons vanilla Make as for a pie crust; roll out and cut with cookie cutter or cookie press. Bake 12 to 15 mintues at 350 F. I did not frost them or anything and used about a 2" round cookie cutter. The above yielded about 10 dozen cookies! Good luck! "Reuter, Patty" wrote: Hello all, I am looking for a Croatian cookie recipe. Last year someone sent a recipe for Hrstule and my family loved it. We make it every once in a while, it is pretty easy. I need to move on to a different recipe. Broaden my horizons a little. Any idea's? Thank you and Sretan Bozic, Patty ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit www.messagelabs.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message WINTER IN GATLINBURG: http://www.thevillasofgatlinburg.com/book/house.html?Num=511 --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message WINTER IN GATLINBURG: http://www.thevillasofgatlinburg.com/book/house.html?Num=511 --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.

No Garabije does not translate into the meaning cookie. It's just telling you a "type" of cookie. Kind of like saying, peanut butter cookie verses sugar cookie. Here are the most common words for cookie by croatians. The other nationalities within Yugoslavia and croatia may have some differences in these words so keep that in mind. cookie --> biskvit cookie (exact translation: dried pastry) --> suhi kolači cookie --> kolačić cookie --> cookie (my relatives overseas just say "cookie" LOL!) fortune cookie --> kolačić sudbine On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Barbara Reincke wrote: I searched the internet earlier this year for the same thing. I found the following recipe, which I made for Thanksgiving. They taste almost like those Girl Scout shortbread cookies. Anyone know what Garabije means? I'm guessing cookie! CROATIAN GARABIJE 5 cups sifted flour 2 cups sugar 1 cup butter 1 cup shortening 6 egg yolks 2 tablespoons sour cream 1-1/2 teaspoons vanilla Make as for a pie crust; roll out and cut with cookie cutter or cookie press. Bake 12 to 15 mintues at 350 F. I did not frost them or anything and used about a 2" round cookie cutter. The above yielded about 10 dozen cookies! Good luck! "Reuter, Patty" <patty.reuter@highlandbanks.com> wrote: Hello all, I am looking for a Croatian cookie recipe. Last year someone sent a recipe for Hrstule and my family loved it. We make it every once in a while, it is pretty easy. I need to move on to a different recipe. Broaden my horizons a little. Any idea's? Thank you and Sretan Bozic, Patty ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit www.messagelabs.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message WINTER IN GATLINBURG: http://www.thevillasofgatlinburg.com/book/house.html?Num=511 --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message