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I believe that what you are looking at is an old name for Kriz, which is located to the east of Zagreb. This town was a township seat when that area was part of the Military Borderland, an area set up by the Austrians to defend against the Ottoman Turks who still occupied Bosnia. While the old 1910 Austrian maps do not show that name my guess is that it has to do with this history as a defensive town against Turkish invasion as I mentioned Vojna refers to army or military... Since you did not indicate who the brother in law was I had to search around those manifests indicating former residence as Prnjarovec and found on one for a Barcievic what appears to be Vojni Kriz. And there were simply too many Josef DOLEZAL for me to take more time to view each manifest. Just because the records are typed is no indication of accuracy... far from it in fact! As I have noticed many more errors in typed vs handwritten ship manifests... maybe this indicates the typing skills of the shipping line agents at the Ports of Departure who were the ones who created these manifests :) Also it is not Prnjarovec but it is either Gornji (upper) or Donji (lower) Prnjarovec, as both are adjacent to Kriz. http://www.tzzz.hr/engleski/kriz/ Robert Jan Hermann <gjherm@wi.rr.com> wrote: Robert, My grandmother's name is Anna Dolezal. I found the name of this city on the Naturalization papers of her brother-in-law. On his Declaration of Intent papers, he lists his wife's (Anna's sister) place of birth as Vojm Kriz, Yugoslavia. On the petition for Naturalization, it is listed as Vojna Kriz, Yugoslavia. These are both typed in, not hand written. When Anna's father, Josef came to the US, the ship manifest lists his last address as Prnjarovac, Vojm Kriz, Croatia. Thanks again for helping to sort this out. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Vojm Kriz, Croatia > Jan > > Vojna means army... Kriz" means cross there are several places where this > is part of the place name but none with vojna or vojm.... > > Where are you find this placename? > > What was your Grandmother's name? > > Robert > > Jan Hermann wrote: > Dear List, > > I found out my grandmother was born in Vojm Kriz, Croatia or Vojna Kriz, > Croatia. I can only find the city of Kriz in Croatia. Would that be the > same? Can anyone tell me what Vojm and Vojna mean? She was born in 1902. > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, My grandmother's name is Anna Dolezal. I found the name of this city on the Naturalization papers of her brother-in-law. On his Declaration of Intent papers, he lists his wife's (Anna's sister) place of birth as Vojm Kriz, Yugoslavia. On the petition for Naturalization, it is listed as Vojna Kriz, Yugoslavia. These are both typed in, not hand written. When Anna's father, Josef came to the US, the ship manifest lists his last address as Prnjarovac, Vojm Kriz, Croatia. Thanks again for helping to sort this out. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Vojm Kriz, Croatia > Jan > > Vojna means army... Kriz" means cross there are several places where this > is part of the place name but none with vojna or vojm.... > > Where are you find this placename? > > What was your Grandmother's name? > > Robert > > Jan Hermann <gjherm@wi.rr.com> wrote: > Dear List, > > I found out my grandmother was born in Vojm Kriz, Croatia or Vojna Kriz, > Croatia. I can only find the city of Kriz in Croatia. Would that be the > same? Can anyone tell me what Vojm and Vojna mean? She was born in 1902. > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jan Vojna means army... Kriz" means cross there are several places where this is part of the place name but none with vojna or vojm.... Where are you find this placename? What was your Grandmother's name? Robert Jan Hermann <gjherm@wi.rr.com> wrote: Dear List, I found out my grandmother was born in Vojm Kriz, Croatia or Vojna Kriz, Croatia. I can only find the city of Kriz in Croatia. Would that be the same? Can anyone tell me what Vojm and Vojna mean? She was born in 1902. Thanks in advance for your help. Jan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Dear List, I found out my grandmother was born in Vojm Kriz, Croatia or Vojna Kriz, Croatia. I can only find the city of Kriz in Croatia. Would that be the same? Can anyone tell me what Vojm and Vojna mean? She was born in 1902. Thanks in advance for your help. Jan

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Hi, I thought it would be helpful to have a website with contact information for those researchers that the members of this list have had positive experiences with... So, here's what I have so far: http://web.mac.com/kskorner/iWeb/Site/croatian_research.html As I am confident that I don't have all of the original suggestions that were made, would you please email me at kskorner@hotmail.com with names and contact information (email and/or snail mail address, website and/or phone, etc) for anyone else that I missed? Also, if you have further contact information and/or websites for the two that I have so far I will add any information I receive. I have also cc'ed the first two on this message so that they may know that they are being recognized in this way. :-) Thank you, Kristin (Millich) Rivers (of Dalmatian Descent)

Let me add a good word about Sanja Frigan. I have used her on two occasions to get information not available to me through LDS etc. She is prompt, accurate and honest. Cheers, Tony On Dec 20, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: > Andy > > Right on! Miro is a prince, I saw him in October ... he spent some > time with our group along with a newly found American cousin. I have > not heard from him for about a month but will pass on the kudos to him > > Sretan Bozic, > > Robert > > "Andrew R. Nixon" <nixonar@earthlink.net> wrote: > Dear Robert and List, > > I used Miro Caic over the years to help find information on my maternal > grandmother who was from the Karlovac area. I found him effective - he > was > able to find and forward to me several official documents that I would > have > likely never found. He is humble and in my opinion undercharges, so I > always > tried to send him a little more than he asked for. We also developed a > friendship over the years but I'd lost contact of late. (Thank you > Robert > for allowing me to reconnect). > > On a related note, Patti and I just returned from a week in New York. > We > spent a day on Ellis Island (The free film, "Island of Hope, Island of > Tears," narrated by Gene Hackman is a must). It was a very emotional > visit > to think that I may have been standing literally in the footsteps where > three of my four grandparents and two of Patti's grandparents stood. I > was a > bit disappointed in their computer search component. Although I had > previously located in the LDS library in Salt Lake City ship manifests > for > three of the four grandparents who had passed through Ellis, I was > unable to > find even one of record on the Ellis Island computer. > > Sretan Bozic > > Andy Nixon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Jerin" > To: > Cc: "Miroslav Caic" > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:42 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] [CROATIA Professional genealogy services > inCroatia... > legitimate > > >> For much less than the amount asked by this outfit you can have some >> real >> genealogy research performed. >> >> A couple of reputable people are: >> >> Sanja Frigan-Cihua at: sanja.frigan@zg.htnet.hr >> >> Miro Caic at: miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> "davem9759@juno.com" wrote: >> I can get the coat of arms at the local mall, etc. for $20 - 40. if I >> want it, and for the $1200.+ I could get Sonja at Croatian Roots to >> search >> and get great results. >> Dave >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", >> Sen. >> Daniel Patrick Moynihan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", > Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

THANK YOU! DENISE -----Original Message----- From: roots@ainfo.com To: croatia@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] [CROATIA Professional genealogy services inCroatia... legitimate Dear LISTER'S: I have been reading these and I am going to ask my friend who is serving an LDS mission in Zagreb, Croatia if they have a family history library over there in their Branch. Who knows we may get lucky with a willing local who loves history and helping others. I will get back to the lister's if I hear of anything....MERRY CHRISTMAS! Sincerely, Sheri Dye Salt Lake City, Utah USA Andrew R. Nixon wrote: > Dear Robert and List, > > I used Miro Caic over the years to help find information on my maternal > grandmother who was from the Karlovac area. I found him effective - he was > able to find and forward to me several official documents that I would have > likely never found. He is humble and in my opinion undercharges, so I always > tried to send him a little more than he asked for. We also developed a > friendship over the years but I'd lost contact of late. (Thank you Robert > for allowing me to reconnect). > > On a related note, Patti and I just returned from a week in New York. We > spent a day on Ellis Island (The free film, "Island of Hope, Island of > Tears," narrated by Gene Hackman is a must). It was a very emotional visit > to think that I may have been standing literally in the footsteps where > three of my four grandparents and two of Patti's grandparents stood. I was a > bit disappointed in their computer search component. Although I had > previously located in the LDS library in Salt Lake City ship manifests for > three of the four grandparents who had passed through Ellis, I was unable to > find even one of record on the Ellis Island computer. > > Sretan Bozic > > Andy Nixon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> > To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Miroslav Caic" <miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:42 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] [CROATIA Professional genealogy services inCroatia... > legitimate > > > >> For much less than the amount asked by this outfit you can have some real >> genealogy research performed. >> >> A couple of reputable people are: >> >> Sanja Frigan-Cihua at: sanja.frigan@zg.htnet.hr >> >> Miro Caic at: miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> "davem9759@juno.com" <davem9759@juno.com> wrote: >> I can get the coat of arms at the local mall, etc. for $20 - 40. if I >> want it, and for the $1200.+ I could get Sonja at Croatian Roots to search >> and get great results. >> Dave >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. >> Daniel Patrick Moynihan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Thank you Sheri. Andy -----Original Message----- >From: Sheri Dye <roots@ainfo.com> >Sent: Dec 20, 2006 5:43 PM >To: croatia@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CROATIA] [CROATIA Professional genealogy services inCroatia... legitimate > >Dear LISTER'S: >I have been reading these and I am going to ask my friend who is serving >an LDS mission in Zagreb, Croatia if they have a family history library >over there in their Branch. Who knows we may get lucky with a willing >local who loves history and helping others. I will get back to the >lister's if I hear of anything....MERRY CHRISTMAS! >Sincerely, >Sheri Dye >Salt Lake City, Utah >USA > >Andrew R. Nixon wrote: >> Dear Robert and List, >> >> I used Miro Caic over the years to help find information on my maternal >> grandmother who was from the Karlovac area. I found him effective - he was >> able to find and forward to me several official documents that I would have >> likely never found. He is humble and in my opinion undercharges, so I always >> tried to send him a little more than he asked for. We also developed a >> friendship over the years but I'd lost contact of late. (Thank you Robert >> for allowing me to reconnect). >> >> On a related note, Patti and I just returned from a week in New York. We >> spent a day on Ellis Island (The free film, "Island of Hope, Island of >> Tears," narrated by Gene Hackman is a must). It was a very emotional visit >> to think that I may have been standing literally in the footsteps where >> three of my four grandparents and two of Patti's grandparents stood. I was a >> bit disappointed in their computer search component. Although I had >> previously located in the LDS library in Salt Lake City ship manifests for >> three of the four grandparents who had passed through Ellis, I was unable to >> find even one of record on the Ellis Island computer. >> >> Sretan Bozic >> >> Andy Nixon >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> >> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: "Miroslav Caic" <miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] [CROATIA Professional genealogy services inCroatia... >> legitimate >> >> >> >>> For much less than the amount asked by this outfit you can have some real >>> genealogy research performed. >>> >>> A couple of reputable people are: >>> >>> Sanja Frigan-Cihua at: sanja.frigan@zg.htnet.hr >>> >>> Miro Caic at: miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> >>> "davem9759@juno.com" <davem9759@juno.com> wrote: >>> I can get the coat of arms at the local mall, etc. for $20 - 40. if I >>> want it, and for the $1200.+ I could get Sonja at Croatian Roots to search >>> and get great results. >>> Dave >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. >>> Daniel Patrick Moynihan >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sheri, You can find all the microfilms at the National Archives in Zagreb... plus many that the LDS does not have in their Library collection. In addition Sanja Frigan-Cihua and Miro Caic are very reputable and very good at what they do... in addition much of Miro's transcribed parish databases are online at the Bosiljevo web page Besides there is no Family History Center in Croatia...and since the films are kept at Salt Lake City it would not make sense to order and rent them in Croatia... if they could even do that. Also you will find Roko Strinic on the Ancestry forums who helps people gratis. But adding reputable, reliable researchers is always a good idea.. >> Sanja Frigan-Cihua at: sanja.frigan@zg.htnet.hr >> >> Miro Caic at: miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr Robert Jerin Sheri Dye <roots@ainfo.com> wrote: Dear LISTER'S: I have been reading these and I am going to ask my friend who is serving an LDS mission in Zagreb, Croatia if they have a family history library over there in their Branch. Who knows we may get lucky with a willing local who loves history and helping others. I will get back to the lister's if I hear of anything....MERRY CHRISTMAS! Sincerely, Sheri Dye Salt Lake City, Utah USA Andrew R. Nixon wrote: > Dear Robert and List, > > I used Miro Caic over the years to help find information on my maternal > grandmother who was from the Karlovac area. I found him effective - he was > able to find and forward to me several official documents that I would have > likely never found. He is humble and in my opinion undercharges, so I always > tried to send him a little more than he asked for. We also developed a > friendship over the years but I'd lost contact of late. (Thank you Robert > for allowing me to reconnect). > > On a related note, Patti and I just returned from a week in New York. We > spent a day on Ellis Island (The free film, "Island of Hope, Island of > Tears," narrated by Gene Hackman is a must). It was a very emotional visit > to think that I may have been standing literally in the footsteps where > three of my four grandparents and two of Patti's grandparents stood. I was a > bit disappointed in their computer search component. Although I had > previously located in the LDS library in Salt Lake City ship manifests for > three of the four grandparents who had passed through Ellis, I was unable to > find even one of record on the Ellis Island computer. > > Sretan Bozic > > Andy Nixon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Jerin" > To: > Cc: "Miroslav Caic" > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:42 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] [CROATIA Professional genealogy services inCroatia... > legitimate > > > >> For much less than the amount asked by this outfit you can have some real >> genealogy research performed. >> >> A couple of reputable people are: >> >> Sanja Frigan-Cihua at: sanja.frigan@zg.htnet.hr >> >> Miro Caic at: miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> "davem9759@juno.com" wrote: >> I can get the coat of arms at the local mall, etc. for $20 - 40. if I >> want it, and for the $1200.+ I could get Sonja at Croatian Roots to search >> and get great results. >> Dave >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. >> Daniel Patrick Moynihan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear LISTER'S: I have been reading these and I am going to ask my friend who is serving an LDS mission in Zagreb, Croatia if they have a family history library over there in their Branch. Who knows we may get lucky with a willing local who loves history and helping others. I will get back to the lister's if I hear of anything....MERRY CHRISTMAS! Sincerely, Sheri Dye Salt Lake City, Utah USA Andrew R. Nixon wrote: > Dear Robert and List, > > I used Miro Caic over the years to help find information on my maternal > grandmother who was from the Karlovac area. I found him effective - he was > able to find and forward to me several official documents that I would have > likely never found. He is humble and in my opinion undercharges, so I always > tried to send him a little more than he asked for. We also developed a > friendship over the years but I'd lost contact of late. (Thank you Robert > for allowing me to reconnect). > > On a related note, Patti and I just returned from a week in New York. We > spent a day on Ellis Island (The free film, "Island of Hope, Island of > Tears," narrated by Gene Hackman is a must). It was a very emotional visit > to think that I may have been standing literally in the footsteps where > three of my four grandparents and two of Patti's grandparents stood. I was a > bit disappointed in their computer search component. Although I had > previously located in the LDS library in Salt Lake City ship manifests for > three of the four grandparents who had passed through Ellis, I was unable to > find even one of record on the Ellis Island computer. > > Sretan Bozic > > Andy Nixon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> > To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Miroslav Caic" <miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:42 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] [CROATIA Professional genealogy services inCroatia... > legitimate > > > >> For much less than the amount asked by this outfit you can have some real >> genealogy research performed. >> >> A couple of reputable people are: >> >> Sanja Frigan-Cihua at: sanja.frigan@zg.htnet.hr >> >> Miro Caic at: miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> "davem9759@juno.com" <davem9759@juno.com> wrote: >> I can get the coat of arms at the local mall, etc. for $20 - 40. if I >> want it, and for the $1200.+ I could get Sonja at Croatian Roots to search >> and get great results. >> Dave >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. >> Daniel Patrick Moynihan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Andy Right on! Miro is a prince, I saw him in October ... he spent some time with our group along with a newly found American cousin. I have not heard from him for about a month but will pass on the kudos to him Sretan Bozic, Robert "Andrew R. Nixon" <nixonar@earthlink.net> wrote: Dear Robert and List, I used Miro Caic over the years to help find information on my maternal grandmother who was from the Karlovac area. I found him effective - he was able to find and forward to me several official documents that I would have likely never found. He is humble and in my opinion undercharges, so I always tried to send him a little more than he asked for. We also developed a friendship over the years but I'd lost contact of late. (Thank you Robert for allowing me to reconnect). On a related note, Patti and I just returned from a week in New York. We spent a day on Ellis Island (The free film, "Island of Hope, Island of Tears," narrated by Gene Hackman is a must). It was a very emotional visit to think that I may have been standing literally in the footsteps where three of my four grandparents and two of Patti's grandparents stood. I was a bit disappointed in their computer search component. Although I had previously located in the LDS library in Salt Lake City ship manifests for three of the four grandparents who had passed through Ellis, I was unable to find even one of record on the Ellis Island computer. Sretan Bozic Andy Nixon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" To: Cc: "Miroslav Caic" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] [CROATIA Professional genealogy services inCroatia... legitimate > For much less than the amount asked by this outfit you can have some real > genealogy research performed. > > A couple of reputable people are: > > Sanja Frigan-Cihua at: sanja.frigan@zg.htnet.hr > > Miro Caic at: miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr > > Robert > > > > "davem9759@juno.com" wrote: > I can get the coat of arms at the local mall, etc. for $20 - 40. if I > want it, and for the $1200.+ I could get Sonja at Croatian Roots to search > and get great results. > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Dear Robert and List, I used Miro Caic over the years to help find information on my maternal grandmother who was from the Karlovac area. I found him effective - he was able to find and forward to me several official documents that I would have likely never found. He is humble and in my opinion undercharges, so I always tried to send him a little more than he asked for. We also developed a friendship over the years but I'd lost contact of late. (Thank you Robert for allowing me to reconnect). On a related note, Patti and I just returned from a week in New York. We spent a day on Ellis Island (The free film, "Island of Hope, Island of Tears," narrated by Gene Hackman is a must). It was a very emotional visit to think that I may have been standing literally in the footsteps where three of my four grandparents and two of Patti's grandparents stood. I was a bit disappointed in their computer search component. Although I had previously located in the LDS library in Salt Lake City ship manifests for three of the four grandparents who had passed through Ellis, I was unable to find even one of record on the Ellis Island computer. Sretan Bozic Andy Nixon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Miroslav Caic" <miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] [CROATIA Professional genealogy services inCroatia... legitimate > For much less than the amount asked by this outfit you can have some real > genealogy research performed. > > A couple of reputable people are: > > Sanja Frigan-Cihua at: sanja.frigan@zg.htnet.hr > > Miro Caic at: miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr > > Robert > > > > "davem9759@juno.com" <davem9759@juno.com> wrote: > I can get the coat of arms at the local mall, etc. for $20 - 40. if I > want it, and for the $1200.+ I could get Sonja at Croatian Roots to search > and get great results. > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can get the coat of arms at the local mall, etc. for $20 - 40. if I want it, and for the $1200.+ I could get Sonja at Croatian Roots to search and get great results. Dave

For much less than the amount asked by this outfit you can have some real genealogy research performed. A couple of reputable people are: Sanja Frigan-Cihua at: sanja.frigan@zg.htnet.hr Miro Caic at: miroslav.caic@ka.htnet.hr Robert "davem9759@juno.com" <davem9759@juno.com> wrote: I can get the coat of arms at the local mall, etc. for $20 - 40. if I want it, and for the $1200.+ I could get Sonja at Croatian Roots to search and get great results. Dave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:01 AM, croatia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Heraldry (Don Marinkovich) > 2. Heraldry (Don Marinkovich) > 3. introduction (Robert) > 4. Croatian Heraldry Website (Ella) > 5. Re: Croatian Heraldry Website (davem9759@juno.com) > 6. Re: Croatian Heraldry Website (Croatian Heraldry Office) > 7. Re: Heraldry (Robert Jerin) > 8. Re: Heraldry (Don Marinkovich) > 9. Re: introduction (Tat417761@cs.com) > 10. Re: introduction (Robert) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:49:17 -0600 > From: "Don Marinkovich" <djedo@2z.net> > Subject: [CROATIA] Heraldry > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <01b601c72132$206bde10$0200a8c0@your1sfdbkykfj> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I sent a message inquiring about Marinkovich and Gvozdanovich. I > think that I got a run around. I had some much better information > from David Hollis. He sent copies of articles from the Austrian > books. Wappen Buch and Adels Buch. Not very sure of the > spelling. There is also a book, Plemenitski, Zbor That deals with > that, Plemenitststvo means nobility. > Donald Marinkovich > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:14:43 -0600 > From: "Don Marinkovich" <djedo@2z.net> > Subject: [CROATIA] Heraldry > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <01bd01c72135$ae5c5b20$0200a8c0@your1sfdbkykfj> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > My appologies to Heraldry. There were attachments that I missed. > They are in cyrlic, but I might be able to get it translated. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:36:17 -0500 > From: Robert <peregrine1@rogers.com> > Subject: [CROATIA] introduction > To: CROATIA@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200612161836.kBGIaHEI010876@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Good Afternoon List, > I am fairly new to this list so My response to the Croatian Heraldry > has been met with skepticism. > I have been a lurker since late September hoping for some topic that > might lead to discussion about the Zrinyi/Zrinski surname... since > this did not occur I will open with my querie: > > I am seeking to fill in a gap in my wife's family's genealogy ...We > have been told by her father that his line connects to Miklos Zrinyi, > but I have failed to make the connection ...If anyone on this list > has a current Genealogy that traces the line to present day, or to > last century I would like to hear from You either by way of this list > or personal email. Since my wife's line is from Hungary this list may > not have the information I am looking for, But on the Other hand > Since the name implies "from Zrin" an area of Croatia someone might > have some information that could assist me in my Quest. > > Respectfully Yours > Robert P Stutsman > > "Hands off the Magyars" Miklos Zrinyi > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:28:46 -0500 > From: "Ella" <twigs_269@comcast.net> > Subject: [CROATIA] Croatian Heraldry Website > To: <CROATIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <008901c72150$c98d4f10$8049e547@Z30220.ecpm.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It appears this is the only "Heraldry" book they have available and > that is only from 1899 forward. > > "Der Adel von Kroatien und Slavonien" by Dr Ivan v. Bojnicic from > 1899 or any other armorial register at our disposal" > > Ella > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:52:48 GMT > From: "davem9759@juno.com" <davem9759@juno.com> > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Croatian Heraldry Website > To: croatia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20061216.125304.29474.1484954@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Here is the answer I got from the Heral > Dear David, > > We have indeed found references to noble families Bakic and > Matkovic in Bojnicic's armorial register. > We could scan and e-mail to you images of armorials and text (free > of charge). > > Unfortunately the drawings are black and white and the text is in > German. > We could produce colour hand painted armorials and provide > translations. > > On Vuksic we found a connection to noble familiy Vuzich but > unfortunately at present we have no additional information. > > If you are related to Matkovic we could eventually offer to compile > all genealogy information you will provide and put it together in a > form of "coat-of-arms, genealogy and nobility certificate". It is a > book, writen in Croatian language, usualy 10-12 pergament pages, > with hand painted colour armorial. The certificate is leather bound > with gold printed armorial of ours. The whole document is also > certified with apostle by Notarius Publicus. > > Should you need any further assistance please do not hesitate to > contact us. > > Croatian Heraldry Office > dry Office: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:56:00 +0100 > From: "Croatian Heraldry Office" <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Croatian Heraldry Website > To: croatia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <e69576c50612161256l51d21528qfec5f2495a6d30d5@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear Ella, > > Our apologies for not being clear enough. > When we mentioned "Der Adel von Kroatien und Slavonien" by Dr Ivan v. > Bojnicic from 1899 or any other armorial register at our disposal" > we actually meant that the armorial "Der Adel von Kroatien und > Slavonien" > was issued year 1899. > It covers most if not all of heraldry achievements recorded until > the year > 1899. > Heraldry archived after the year 1899 would not be covered by that > armorial. > > Regards > > Croatian Heraldry Office > > > On 12/16/06, Ella <twigs_269@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> It appears this is the only "Heraldry" book they have available >> and that >> is only from 1899 forward. >> >> "Der Adel von Kroatien und Slavonien" by Dr Ivan v. Bojnicic from >> 1899 or >> any other armorial register at our disposal" >> >> Ella >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:53:34 -0800 (PST) > From: Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Heraldry > To: croatia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <657738.18560.qm@web82406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Is it Cyrllic or is it Glagolica? > > Robert > > Don Marinkovich <djedo@2z.net> wrote: > My appologies to Heraldry. There were attachments that I missed. > They are in cyrlic, but I might be able to get it translated. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own > facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:37:52 -0600 > From: "Don Marinkovich" <djedo@2z.net> > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Heraldry > To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <02a501c72162$d2e43030$0200a8c0@your1sfdbkykfj> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Cirilica > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> > To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Heraldry > > >> Is it Cyrllic or is it Glagolica? >> >> Robert >> >> Don Marinkovich <djedo@2z.net> wrote: >> My appologies to Heraldry. There were attachments that I missed. >> They are >> in cyrlic, but I might be able to get it translated. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own >> facts", Sen. >> Daniel Patrick Moynihan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:02:49 EST > From: Tat417761@cs.com > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] introduction > To: croatia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c18.badfb97.32b5f139@cs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > The name of the Zrinski family was SUBIC. Zrinski was later added > based on > the locality of their castle. > The male line ended with death of Petar's son Ivan IV Anton- 1709 > in prison. > > dr T.Former > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:33:44 -0500 > From: Robert <peregrine1@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] introduction > To: croatia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200612170133.kBH1Xtlx010520@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Thank You Dr. T. Former, > Please if you can, how is it that the name Zrinyi is carried on > to this day? > Robert P Stutsman > > > At 08:02 PM 12/16/2006, you wrote: >> The name of the Zrinski family was SUBIC. Zrinski was later added >> based on >> the locality of their castle. >> The male line ended with death of Petar's son Ivan IV Anton- 1709 >> in prison. >> >> dr T.Former >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ NOD32 1924 (20061215) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CROATIA list administrator, send an email to > CROATIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CROATIA mailing list, send an email to > CROATIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- > request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CROATIA Digest, Vol 1, Issue 43 > **************************************

Robert thanks for the heads up on that ...and thanks for the introduction to Reich Lajos.. You have been very helpful to me as have Dr. T Former. robert At 07:11 PM 12/19/2006, you wrote: >OK... here is what I was getting at! Once they sent me a pic of a >COA for IWSICH (IVSIC) which is found in Adam Eterovich's book and >not a big deal. They then hinted at the offer of more research.. I >asked who they (The Croatian Heraldy Office) was and if they could >supply references... this is their reply... no names ... no >references....for $1,200 to $1,800 they will send, blah, blah, >blah... in short a lot of baloney that most likely has nothing to do >with my family... and oh by the way they will translate into English >... for an extra fee !!! Wow, how can they offer this so cheap >!!!! A typical scam from what I can see! Oh and if anyone has an >extra $1,500 around I could suggest better uses for it than this! > > Merry Christmas, > >Robert > >Croatian Heraldry Office <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:18:38 +0100 >From: "Croatian Heraldry Office" <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> >To: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> >Subject: Certificate > > Dear Mr. Jerin, > > The team working on certificate is usually put together ad hoc. > Who are the experts reviewing the heraldic and genealogy > documentation depends very much on origin of applicant and it's ancestors. > The applicat is fully informed on who the consultants are. > The costs for work and material related to production of > certificate usually amount to 1,200 - 1,800 US$. > The certificate is in a form of a book, written in Croatian > language, usually 10-12 parchment pages, with hand painted colour > armorial. The certificate is calf leather bound with gold printed > armorial of ours. The whole document is also certified with apostle > by Notarius Publicus. >For extra low cost we could further provide certified translation in >English or any other language. > > Should you be interested feel free to submit to us the draft of > your genealogy. > We will then produce a draft text of the certificate and return > to you together with further advice. > > Needles to say, all submitted information (even initial request) > is strictly confidential and never shared with someone else. > > Regards > > Croatian Heraldry Office > > > > On 12/19/06, Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com > wrote: Thank > you for providing this info. Can you let me know what your charges > will be for this service. And also, since your web page gives such > little detail, can you tell me who are the people or officers of > your organization? And can you provide me with verifiable > references of people who have used your services? > > Best Regards > >Robert Jerin > > > > > >"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own >facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >__________ NOD32 1929 (20061219) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com

Robert, Thank you for sharing the letter you received from Croatian Heraldry Office. Denise Jackson In a message dated 12/19/2006 4:13:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rjerin26@yahoo.com writes: OK... here is what I was getting at! Once they sent me a pic of a COA for IWSICH (IVSIC) which is found in Adam Eterovich's book and not a big deal. They then hinted at the offer of more research.. I asked who they (The Croatian Heraldy Office) was and if they could supply references... this is their reply... no names ... no references....for $1,200 to $1,800 they will send, blah, blah, blah... in short a lot of baloney that most likely has nothing to do with my family... and oh by the way they will translate into English ... for an extra fee !!! Wow, how can they offer this so cheap !!!! A typical scam from what I can see! Oh and if anyone has an extra $1,500 around I could suggest better uses for it than this! Merry Christmas, Robert Croatian Heraldry Office <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:18:38 +0100 From: "Croatian Heraldry Office" <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> To: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> Subject: Certificate Dear Mr. Jerin, The team working on certificate is usually put together ad hoc. Who are the experts reviewing the heraldic and genealogy documentation depends very much on origin of applicant and it's ancestors. The applicat is fully informed on who the consultants are. The costs for work and material related to production of certificate usually amount to 1,200 - 1,800 US$. The certificate is in a form of a book, written in Croatian language, usually 10-12 parchment pages, with hand painted colour armorial. The certificate is calf leather bound with gold printed armorial of ours. The whole document is also certified with apostle by Notarius Publicus. For extra low cost we could further provide certified translation in English or any other language. Should you be interested feel free to submit to us the draft of your genealogy. We will then produce a draft text of the certificate and return to you together with further advice. Needles to say, all submitted information (even initial request) is strictly confidential and never shared with someone else. Regards Croatian Heraldry Office On 12/19/06, Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com > wrote: Thank you for providing this info. Can you let me know what your charges will be for this service. And also, since your web page gives such little detail, can you tell me who are the people or officers of your organization? And can you provide me with verifiable references of people who have used your services? Best Regards Robert Jerin "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message