Dear Mr. Jerin: I could help but notice this and a swelling thought came into my mind. I am not Catholic but am LDS (Mormon), however I will explain the revelence of these two. I live in Salt Lake City and watch my church help other churchs with funding to help preserve historical buildings, feed others, etc. My church has a lot of historical sites all over the country and appreciate the preservation in history. So I am also including the name, address of the local LDS Stakes/Churchs in that area. I got this off _lds.org_.You can write to the Stake Presidents there or call them Sundays, Tuesday evenings or Wednesday evenings. I am sure they will be able to help you. Let me know if I can be of any assistance. I have helped in my community to raise awareness and funds for many religious and secular events.My sister is married to TEZAK's who immigrated from Yugoslovia to Ellis Island.They are Catholic. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Lenexa Kansas Stake 7845 Allman Road Lenexa, Kansas 66217 Phone: (913) 962-5635 (Office) (913) 962-5623 (Hall) Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Olathe Kansas Stake 15915 W. 143rd Street Olathe, KS 66062 Phone: (913) 764-4410 (Office) (913) 764-6090 (Hall phone) Sincerely, Sheri Dye Salt Lake City, Utah USA Robert Jerin wrote: > I recieved this notice from one of the posters to a genealogy message board. > > This trend is alarming, while we can all understand the reduced church attendence and parohicial school enrollment (at least in some areas), I believe that some Bishops and Diocese Offices do not respect the contributions made by the European ethinic communities to the building of the Roman Catholic faith in America. Recently the olderst Roman Catholic Croatian church in America, St Nicholas in Pittsburgh PA, closed. What a shame that we did not all raise our voices (and maybe also money!) to save such an important American-Croatian institution. How many more will close before the community acts in a positive manner to help? > > ********* > > St. John The Baptist Grade School in Kansas > City, Kansas is scheduled to be closed. It will be consolidated with > two other grade schools, and the students will be moved to the grade > school which is based at the archdiocese catherdral. > > St. John's is important in the history of Croatians in the United States. It was the first Croatian grade school, established and opened > in 1909, under the direction of Msgr. Martin Krmpotic, shortly after the > church was constructed and dedicated in 1904. The history of the parish > is outlined in the book The Croatian Immigrants in America by George > Prpic, a professor at John Carroll University in Cleveland. The parish > complex was also the sight of the first Croatian orphanage in this > country, founded and run by the same sisters who staffed the school. > The orphanage has long closed, and the building is the site of the > Strawberry Hill Museum. > > I have written the archbishop to make him aware of the significance of > the school and the church, which is also rumored to be on the closure > list. If any of the other list members who have ties to St. John's > would want to write him as well, the address is : > > His Excellency The Most Reverend Joseph F. Naumann, D.D. > Archbishop of Kansas City in Kansas > 12615 Parallel Parkway Kansas City, KS 66109 > Phone (913) 721-1570 > Fax (913) 721-1577 > email: archkck@archkck. org <mailto:archkck@archkck. org> > <mailto:archkck@archkck. org> > > > > "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >
I can echo Robert's concern and am saddened to hear this news. In the early 90's the Bishop of the Diocese of Harrisburg, PA decided to combine five Catholic parishes in Steelton PA into one parish. The new parish was named Prince of Peace and took over St Mary's Roman Catholic Croatian Church. The Franciscan fathers were sent off and replaced by diocesan priests. There was a loud and long outcry from the Croatian community as well as the Slovenian, Italian and German parishes in Steelton that even made national news but in the end the bishop and the business side of the church prevailed. I have not lived there for 50+ years but keep up with the news. I understand that occasionally a Croatian priest is allowed to come back and offer a mass in the Croatian language so that some of the new recent immigrants and old timers get a taste of what the parish was like. On Jan 22, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: > I recieved this notice from one of the posters to a genealogy message > board. > > This trend is alarming, while we can all understand the reduced > church attendence and parohicial school enrollment (at least in some > areas), I believe that some Bishops and Diocese Offices do not respect > the contributions made by the European ethinic communities to the > building of the Roman Catholic faith in America. Recently the olderst > Roman Catholic Croatian church in America, St Nicholas in Pittsburgh > PA, closed. What a shame that we did not all raise our voices (and > maybe also money!) to save such an important American-Croatian > institution. How many more will close before the community acts in a > positive manner to help? > > ********* > > St. John The Baptist Grade School in Kansas > City, Kansas is scheduled to be closed. It will be consolidated with > two other grade schools, and the students will be moved to the grade > school which is based at the archdiocese catherdral. > > St. John's is important in the history of Croatians in the United > States. It was the first Croatian grade school, established and opened > in 1909, under the direction of Msgr. Martin Krmpotic, shortly after > the > church was constructed and dedicated in 1904. The history of the parish > is outlined in the book The Croatian Immigrants in America by George > Prpic, a professor at John Carroll University in Cleveland. The parish > complex was also the sight of the first Croatian orphanage in this > country, founded and run by the same sisters who staffed the school. > The orphanage has long closed, and the building is the site of the > Strawberry Hill Museum. > > I have written the archbishop to make him aware of the significance of > the school and the church, which is also rumored to be on the closure > list. If any of the other list members who have ties to St. John's > would want to write him as well, the address is : > > His Excellency The Most Reverend Joseph F. Naumann, D.D. > Archbishop of Kansas City in Kansas > 12615 Parallel Parkway Kansas City, KS 66109 > Phone (913) 721-1570 > Fax (913) 721-1577 > email: archkck@archkck. org <mailto:archkck@archkck. org> > <mailto:archkck@archkck. org> > > > > "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The > savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. > Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand > 1905-1982 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
You know Robert in most cases I'd default to you but in this case I need to speak out. You are putting blame on the wrong folks and/or organizations here. I volunteer countless hours and monies to the Catholic Church. And do my best to help parishes with free donated services that they may have otherwise would have had to pay. I also constantly recruit young people and/or other ages of folks back into the Catholic Church. There are many to blame here but I don't agree with the blame on the Bishops and/or Diocese Offices. It's the fault of the young people. They don't go to Church until they get older, or until they have kids and they are baptised, then they leave again and we don't see the youth until their kids go to PSR. The young move out into surburban cities and/or out of state. Youth = donations + volunteered hours + membership that can help support the Church. The other alarm with our youth (can you tell I teach PSR? LOL!) is that the youth are pushing for their children to receive First Eucharist/Reconciliation/Confirmation ALL at the same time no later than 2nd grade! I'm NOT kidding you! There is HUGE pressure to make this happen. And I will tell you this. Pressure = Change in our Church. However the problem here is that with this "change" is that as we all know it's the sacraments that these children receive is what's holding these youths (parents) into our Church. No children = no parents = no monies = you have to shut down and/or collaborate parishes just to make ends meet. Next blame: This year was the first year we had a teeny increase in young men and/ or women wanting to become priests and/or nuns. We don't have enough youth coming in to support all the Churches. Last year began the first year whereby the largest set of priests and/or nuns have gone into retirement. And for those that do not know, these wonderful men and women sometimes don't retire until they are in their very late 60's or 70's! Some should have retired YEARS ago but due to their own personal commitment they have tried very hard for the sake of their communities to stay as long as they can to keep certain parishes open and running. The Roman Catholic Church as a whole has tried their very best to hold onto and keep such old Churches. They DO believe in them and they are the PRIDE of our Faith! Some have tried renting space to schools, cities and/or other organizations just to be able to pay the monthly bills for utilities and/or maintanance. Still it's not enough. No money + no support = drastic measures. Heck some Churches have tried registering themselves as "historical place" within the cities to try to get some support from the gov't but still it's not enough! It takes some hard monies to upkeep these hundreds of year old churches! And not to mention the heating bills! Heck the one Church I know you are familiar with is on 40th Street. You know how COLD it's in there in the winter sometimes if they don't have enough funds? You have to cut somewhere! Robert in our very own Cleveland, Ohio we have a Croatian Church near 40th Street. How many times have you gone there and/or donated monies with your writing on the envelope stating "keep my money for "? This is NOT said to hurt you, but rather to make a point. We too, as a community, are stretched with our own funding and our own time to support all these churches. My own family has returned to support that Church countless of times. We've tried marrying there so that funds could be donated. We've tried fundraising, getting small business to rest space in what used to be the school there. I mean anything and everything. But sadly if not enough folks are attending and/or that parish is costing more verses what you are putting in you have to make a decision. It's business and business ain't pretty that's for sure! So I blame the youth. And I AM the youth! (if anyone is curious to know) Most of us now are in surburbia in a totally different county. We have our Church, it's new and it's glorious. And we've almost paid it off. The very very sad thing about this is that we have 3 parishes just 20 mins away from each direction! Kinda DUMB that it's built out here. But all in all this Parish has an enrollment of over 1000 children! More that 2700 families. Still we are short sometimes to pay our bills. Si that nuts or what??? Still I believe (and know for fact) that there are many other children out there that should or could attend PSR but basketball practice, football practice, etc is "more important" I know for last year and this year they dropped out of my class due to the conflict. We've set up after school programs that the children can attend so that it's BEFORE the practice, served with a hot meal and STILL the parents can't bring these kids in!!! We've even offered free transportation. Still the youth (the parents) are too lazy to sign the program forms and/or to return a phone call. But sure as heck they are NOT lazy to come in for free portraits when we made our Church directory. Sure as heck in not being lazy and are demanding that their kids get first communion at grade 2 even though they have NOT attended PSR regularly! Sure as heck not lazy to ask the Church to go and help their aging parents! Again, it's the YOUTH to blame. No regular attendance by youth = no monies and/or bodies to "support" the Church No youth = no young children = bleak future for the Catholic Faith On Jan 22, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: I recieved this notice from one of the posters to a genealogy message board. This trend is alarming, while we can all understand the reduced church attendence and parohicial school enrollment (at least in some areas), I believe that some Bishops and Diocese Offices do not respect the contributions made by the European ethinic communities to the building of the Roman Catholic faith in America. Recently the olderst Roman Catholic Croatian church in America, St Nicholas in Pittsburgh PA, closed. What a shame that we did not all raise our voices (and maybe also money!) to save such an important American- Croatian institution. How many more will close before the community acts in a positive manner to help? ********* St. John The Baptist Grade School in Kansas City, Kansas is scheduled to be closed. It will be consolidated with two other grade schools, and the students will be moved to the grade school which is based at the archdiocese catherdral. St. John's is important in the history of Croatians in the United States. It was the first Croatian grade school, established and opened in 1909, under the direction of Msgr. Martin Krmpotic, shortly after the church was constructed and dedicated in 1904. The history of the parish is outlined in the book The Croatian Immigrants in America by George Prpic, a professor at John Carroll University in Cleveland. The parish complex was also the sight of the first Croatian orphanage in this country, founded and run by the same sisters who staffed the school. The orphanage has long closed, and the building is the site of the Strawberry Hill Museum. I have written the archbishop to make him aware of the significance of the school and the church, which is also rumored to be on the closure list. If any of the other list members who have ties to St. John's would want to write him as well, the address is : His Excellency The Most Reverend Joseph F. Naumann, D.D. Archbishop of Kansas City in Kansas 12615 Parallel Parkway Kansas City, KS 66109 Phone (913) 721-1570 Fax (913) 721-1577 email: archkck@archkck. org <mailto:archkck@archkck. org> <mailto:archkck@archkck. org> "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982
Hello I too like Robert would like to ask you as well " Who are you" your web page doesnt seem to give much away other than you are located in Croatia. Do u have an address, phone number etc.so people can contact you. Even your email address is a google based email address and tells us nothing. I too would be very cautious to have any dealings with you. After all Croatian Heraldry Office you are dealing with people here who have been researching for many years and know exactly where they are looking for. As we say here in Australia: "Please explain" regards Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Croatian Heraldry Office" <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Any assistance on translating this for me pls > Hi Mary, > > Please note recently established Croatian Heraldry Office. > You can see more on www.croatian-heraldry.com > > Besr Regards > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/643 - Release Date: 1/21/2007 > >
> Hi Estelle > > That's right we have spoken before, give Dr llija as much information as you > have, if anyone can find out more, it will be him. I see he already has one > Paulo Damjanovic listed in his book, so he may have more information to pass > on or know where to find it. > > Dr Illija has also written a piece in a book called : The Australian People > by Jupp, which is also a great book to read. > > Let me know how you go. > regards > Mary > > PS: Im always here reading and watching the list, but have little or no time > these days for research, the past 19 months have been so hectic with work, > I've been travelling interstate all year and working longer hours, so what > I've loved to do for the past 10 years has now had to take a back seat and > wait. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Estelle Daniels" <stelly__57@hotmail.com> > To: <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Any assistance on translating this for me pls > > > > Thnaks Mary, > > My ancestor is Pavao/Paulo/Paul DAMJANOVIC/DAMIANOVICH/VITCH/VEITCH. I > have > > included the Croatian and Australian versions of the name. I have > "spoken" > > to you about him a while back, but I have found the earlier name > variations > > since then I think. > > Hope you get a translation. > > Regards Estelle > > > > > > >From: "Mary Lawrie" <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> > > >To: "Estelle Daniels" <stelly__57@hotmail.com> > > >Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Any assistance on translating this for me pls > > >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:20:58 +1100 > > > > > >Hi Estelle' > > >Thank you for trying to translate this for me. > > > > > >Yes I have met Dr Ilija Sutalo and I can tell you he has written an > amazing > > >book called Croatians in Australia. > > >http://www.durham.net/facts/crogen/newsltr11-australia.pdf He has done > > >alot > > >of research over the years. > > >http://www.durham.net/facts/crogen/newsltr11-australia.html > > > > > >Are you here in Australia? If he is asked for information it would be > > >worthwhile to give it to him as he may be able to do some more research > for > > >you. > > > > > >What is your ancestors name? > > > > > > > > >regards > > >Mary > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Estelle Daniels" <stelly__57@hotmail.com> > > >To: <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> > > >Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:14 PM > > >Subject: RE: [CROATIA] Any assistance on translating this for me pls > > > > > > > > > > Hello Mary, > > > > I tried to translate it from German to English using the following > site > > >from > > > > your text copied to a Word page and came up with the following. > > > > > > > >http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/mstranslate/UP26384/B311/Dsgml/P1/T1/l/transla > t > > >e.html?service=WLingo_GERENG&lcidFrom=1031&lcidTo=1033&lcidUI=1033 > > > > > > > > As you can see it makes little sense and only a couple of words > > >translated. > > > > Usually it is the other way around if you get the language right - a > > >couple > > > > of words dont. Sorry, I cant help further. Good to see you back on > the > > > > list. Hope someone can help you out! > > > > > > > > Regards Estelle > > > > BTW - do you know anything of the credibility of Dr Ilija Sutalo who > has > > > > requested information from me and at least 1 other person about our > > >Croatian > > > > ancestors? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello IC ben Jean melis uit belgie > > > > > > > > into de jaren 60/70 IC ben dikwijls naar croatia geweest > > > > > > > > incoming goods kampeerde dan bij MILAN DOSES EN zijn zoon IVAN > > > > > > > > IC stuur u wade to photos OI, which messchien kun ever gebruiken voor > uw > > > > opzoekingen > > > > > > > > CPU zijn allemaal GET skirts in LUKOVO SUGARJE KRIZAC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mary Lawrie" <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> > > > > >Reply-To: croatia@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Subject: [CROATIA] Any assistance on translating this for me pls > > > > >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:58:09 +1100 > > > > > > > > > >Hello list > > > > > > > > > >I received this email with pictures but can not work on what they are > > > > >trying > > > > >to tell me, I think it is written german. Any assistance would be > > > > >appreciated, > > > > > > > > > >regards Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >hello ik ben jean melis uit belgie > > > > >in de jaren 60/70 ben ik dikwijls naar croatia geweest > > > > >we kampeerde dan bij MILAN DOSEN en zijn zoon IVAN > > > > >ik stuur u wat fotos op ,die kun je messchien gebruiken voor uw > > >opzoekingen > > > > >ze zijn allemaal getrokken in LUKOVO SUGARJE KRIZAC > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > >CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes > > > > >in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. 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I recieved this notice from one of the posters to a genealogy message board. This trend is alarming, while we can all understand the reduced church attendence and parohicial school enrollment (at least in some areas), I believe that some Bishops and Diocese Offices do not respect the contributions made by the European ethinic communities to the building of the Roman Catholic faith in America. Recently the olderst Roman Catholic Croatian church in America, St Nicholas in Pittsburgh PA, closed. What a shame that we did not all raise our voices (and maybe also money!) to save such an important American-Croatian institution. How many more will close before the community acts in a positive manner to help? ********* St. John The Baptist Grade School in Kansas City, Kansas is scheduled to be closed. It will be consolidated with two other grade schools, and the students will be moved to the grade school which is based at the archdiocese catherdral. St. John's is important in the history of Croatians in the United States. It was the first Croatian grade school, established and opened in 1909, under the direction of Msgr. Martin Krmpotic, shortly after the church was constructed and dedicated in 1904. The history of the parish is outlined in the book The Croatian Immigrants in America by George Prpic, a professor at John Carroll University in Cleveland. The parish complex was also the sight of the first Croatian orphanage in this country, founded and run by the same sisters who staffed the school. The orphanage has long closed, and the building is the site of the Strawberry Hill Museum. I have written the archbishop to make him aware of the significance of the school and the church, which is also rumored to be on the closure list. If any of the other list members who have ties to St. John's would want to write him as well, the address is : His Excellency The Most Reverend Joseph F. Naumann, D.D. Archbishop of Kansas City in Kansas 12615 Parallel Parkway Kansas City, KS 66109 Phone (913) 721-1570 Fax (913) 721-1577 email: archkck@archkck. org <mailto:archkck@archkck. org> <mailto:archkck@archkck. org> "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982
Hi Mary, Please note recently established Croatian Heraldry Office. You can see more on www.croatian-heraldry.com Besr Regards
On a relative from Cres 2nd marriage record in 1805 Portugal, it says he was a widower and his first wife, Antonia Baxixe (Antonia Bacich-sp?) died in Trieste. He was born in 1763 in Cres and he would have been 37 years old by 1800 - thus far I have not found a record of their marriage (in Cres or Trieste, I do not know but I am guessing Cres). I do need to go back to FHC and try to find this record and I also do not know if they had any children. Is there any way to find a record of her death in Trieste? Anyone familiar with Trieste records, do I need the name of the parish they were in, etc.? Elaine
Hi all, We should be very cautious if we decide to deal with the so-called Croatian Heraldry Office. I have sent them requests asking who they are and for references.... and all they sent me was a reply saying that they would compile info in a "leather bound" book regarding one of my family names for over $1,000 US! We all know who the reputable professional genealogists are in Croatia.... Sanja Frigan-Cihua, Miro Caic, Vekaric, etc.. as they are very open about whom they are and whom they have done research for. On the other hand Croatian Heraldry Office will give us Heraldic information about a name for a very high cost, which in the end my have nothing to do with our immediate family. In the US we have all seen those kiosk based heraldic companies set up in US Malls... they come and go! So again I will ask who are you... Croatian Heraldry Office... who are the principals of your company... and what references can you give us? If you are reputable you will respond with names and references! Robert Jerin Croatian Heraldry Office <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Mary, Please note recently established Croatian Heraldry Office. You can see more on www.croatian-heraldry.com Besr Regards ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982
Hi Edwin Thank you for the translation, these pictures I received from this person are of my mother's uncle and cousin. From what I can make out from your translation he must have been a frequent visitor to Lukovo and stayed with my granduncle Milan and his son Ivica some thirty years ago while holidaying there. I will write back to him to thank him, hopefully he will understand english when I write. Again thank you Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <hogerslo@web.de> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Any assistance on translating this for me pls > > > Hallo Mary, > > it is netherland or flamish, I try to translate it for you..... > > edwin > > > > > *Von:* croatia@rootsweb.com > *Gesendet:* 20.01.07 08:56:38 > *An:* <CROATIA-L@ROOTSWEB.COM> > *Betreff:* [CROATIA] Any assistance on translating this for me pls > > > Hello list > > I received this email with pictures but can not work on what they are trying > to tell me, I think it is written german. Any assistance would be > appreciated, > > regards Mary > > > hello ik ben jean melis uit belgie > > hallo I`m Jean Melis from Belgium > in de jaren 60/70 ben ik dikwijls naar croatia geweest > > in the years 60/70th I have been often in croatia > we kampeerde dan bij MILAN DOSEN en zijn zoon IVAN > > we camped then by Milan Dosen and his son Ivan > ik stuur u wat fotos op ,die kun je messchien gebruiken voor uw opzoekingen > > I send you some photos, which you can maybe use for your research > ze zijn allemaal getrokken in LUKOVO SUGARJE KRIZAC > > they are all made in Lukovo Sugarje Krizac > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > XXL-Speicher, PC-Virenschutz, Spartarife & mehr: Nur im WEB.DE Club! > Jetzt gratis testen! *http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021130* [http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021130] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > >
Hallo Mary, it is netherland or flamish, I try to translate it for you..... edwin *Von:* croatia@rootsweb.com *Gesendet:* 20.01.07 08:56:38 *An:* <CROATIA-L@ROOTSWEB.COM> *Betreff:* [CROATIA] Any assistance on translating this for me pls Hello list I received this email with pictures but can not work on what they are trying to tell me, I think it is written german. Any assistance would be appreciated, regards Mary hello ik ben jean melis uit belgie hallo I`m Jean Melis from Belgium in de jaren 60/70 ben ik dikwijls naar croatia geweest in the years 60/70th I have been often in croatia we kampeerde dan bij MILAN DOSEN en zijn zoon IVAN we camped then by Milan Dosen and his son Ivan ik stuur u wat fotos op ,die kun je messchien gebruiken voor uw opzoekingen I send you some photos, which you can maybe use for your research ze zijn allemaal getrokken in LUKOVO SUGARJE KRIZAC they are all made in Lukovo Sugarje Krizac ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message XXL-Speicher, PC-Virenschutz, Spartarife & mehr: Nur im WEB.DE Club! Jetzt gratis testen! *http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021130* [http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021130]
Hi Kurt, apparently the Municipality and County location was changed. Here are relevant maps: The map with Semeljci, Vinkovci and Dakovo: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=5&x=2661891&y=5016783&cx=2661891& cy=5016783&w=640&h=410 http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=5&x=2660290&y=5025029&cx=2660290& cy=5025029&w=640&h=410 and Vrbica, Durdanci and Stari Mikanovci: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=4&x=2661826&y=5018909&cx=2661826& cy=5018909&w=640&h=410 Backa Bunkin is a possibility as I could not find any similarly named town within present day Croatia. I am glad you found the information helpful. Regards Tatjana
Thank You Robert and Tatjana, I believe I got it. thank You very much! Best regards Kurt Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: Kurt, Gj is an archaic form thus the correct modern spelling is Ðurđanci where the D and d have crossbars through them giving them the sound like the j in jury Today Vrbica (pop. 797) is in the County of Osijek-Baranja municipality of Semeljci while Ðurđanci (pop. 574) is part of Grad (town) Đakovo Actually Srijem was part of Slavonia. Vrbica (Wrbitza in German) was part of the old Pozega County http://www.talmamedia.com/map/hhcounty/images/megyek1/54pover.gif Based on searching present day Osijek-Srijem county for all names beginning with HON and HAN... perhaps the name is HANULJAK or HANULAK both of which are found in places near Đakovo Using Stephen Morse's One Step for all names beginning with HANUL find several HANULAK, HANULJAK, HANULYAK and on Johann HANULZAK Robert Kurt McCrary wrote: Hello Tatjana, Thank You for your reply! Your e-mail helped alot, the fog is starting to clear.................;-) I see that Gjurgjanci is close to Vrbica in eastern Croatia. Any clue or guess what the actual spelling of Johann "HONIJAK"? name actually is? What would another spelling of the name be? Nationality? I am wondering if Buckie? is actually Bunkin in the BATSCHA? Thank You Again! Best regards Kurt Ivan =John LETT arrived ELLIS ISLAND. on the ship Kronprinzes. Cecilie Sailing from Bremen March 16, 1909 Ivan LETT going to see brother in law Johann "HONIJAK"? 865 Sharon PA Looks like he was traveling with a friend Ivan ABT I cant make out where they are coming from or born John ( on one page it says, Buckinie? on the start page it says Vrbica, Croatia, Nearest relative to Ivan ABT father is Paul ABT From Gjurgjanci Croatia (today Gjurgjanci is Durdanci which is west of Vinkovci about 20 miles, 4 miles from Vrbica) Today Vrbica (pop. 797) in the municipality of Semeljci while Ðurđanci (pop. 574) is part of Grad (town) Đakovo both in County of Osijek-Baranja Are there any "HONIJAK/ HANIJAK/ HOMIJAK /HANULAK / HANULJAK, HANULYAK / HANULZAK" researching there family around old Pozega, Osijekor Srijem county, Croatia?? Any clue or guess what the actual spelling of Johann "HONIJAK/ Hanijak /Homijak"? name actually is? What would another spelling of the name be? Nationality? I see that Gjurgjanci is close to Vrbica. What is the Municipality in which Vrbica is contained? I am wondering if Buckinie? is actually Bunkin in the BATSCHKA? Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stari_Mikanovci map of the area: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=4&x=2657486&y=5017403&cx=2657486& cy=5017403&w=640&h=410 The Nearest relative for Ivan is Terasa LEHT/LETT from Vinkovici, Croatia.(Which is about 15 from Vrbica (German:Werbitz) Slavonia? (Teresa AMENT LETT arrived on Kaiserin Augusta Victoria Sailing from Hamburg June 26, 1909) Ellis Island One STEP http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html I know the AMENT's and the ABT's were originally from the Lovas Tompojevci and Vinkovici area of Croatia so I assume the areas are from around there? ============================================================= Ancestry.com says it lists in the New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Jacob,Jozsef and Woicach Hanijak Arrival:NewYork,NewYork ================================= Mike Hanijak Birth: abt 1891 m. Pauline b. abt 1895 Residence: 1920 - Cambria, Pennsylvania Children: 1)Mary Hanijak Birth:abt 1913 2)Mike Hanijak Birth:abt 1915 3)Peter Hanijak Birth:abt 1916 4)Joe Hanijak Birth:abt 1918 ============================ New Jersey | Hopewell | Hopewell Herald, The | 1910-03-09 GRIGGSTOWN George Hanulyak has resigned his position as presser in the A. T. C. Co. and returned to his former home in Mt.Carmel, Pa. ----- Joseph Hinulyak, who has been confined to the house with a sever sprain of the knee, has improved so he is able to start work again. =========== Maryland | Annapolis | Capital, The | 1960-04-21 Mr. and Mrs. Chester Hanulak of Salisbury spent the Easter weekend visiting Mrs. Hanulak's parents, Mr. and Mrs. Arthur P. Shanklin. ============ Ellis Island Lists brothers? Hanulzak, Johann age 44 b. abt. 1848 arv.1892 from Hungary Hanulzaki, Josef age 32 b. abt.1860 arrived 1892 from Hungary both going to NY. Ellis Island among others also lists: August Homijak b. 1888 and Marya Homijak b.1889 of Jazwiny, Austria (probably Poland) (Nationality Ruthanian?)arrived in USA, 1912 to see Peouite?? Frank KAZMAN Sassaia St HT. New York and Jozsef Hanijak b. 1876 of Forbasz, Hungary, arrived USA in 1901 is going to see cousin in Unionville, he is traveling with his cousins brother in law Andras Bucsak. Tat417761@cs.com wrote: In a message dated 1/20/2007 1:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, kurtmccrary@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: [CROATIA] Need help reading Ellis Island record? Ivan LETT, Jofarm > HONIJAK and Ivan ABT from Croatia > Date:1/20/2007 1:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time > From:kurtmccrary@yahoo.com > Reply-to:croatia@rootsweb.com > To:croatia@rootsweb.com > Received from Internet: > > --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Hello list I received this email with pictures but can not work on what they are trying to tell me, I think it is written german. Any assistance would be appreciated, regards Mary hello ik ben jean melis uit belgie in de jaren 60/70 ben ik dikwijls naar croatia geweest we kampeerde dan bij MILAN DOSEN en zijn zoon IVAN ik stuur u wat fotos op ,die kun je messchien gebruiken voor uw opzoekingen ze zijn allemaal getrokken in LUKOVO SUGARJE KRIZAC
Kurt, Gj is an archaic form thus the correct modern spelling is Ðurđanci where the D and d have crossbars through them giving them the sound like the j in jury Today Vrbica (pop. 797) is in the County of Osijek-Baranja municipality of Semeljci while Ðurđanci (pop. 574) is part of Grad (town) Đakovo Actually Srijem was part of Slavonia. Vrbica (Wrbitza in German) was part of the old Pozega County http://www.talmamedia.com/map/hhcounty/images/megyek1/54pover.gif Based on searching present day Osijek-Srijem county for all names beginning with HON and HAN... perhaps the name is HANULJAK or HANULAK both of which are found in places near Đakovo Using Stephen Morse's One Step for all names beginning with HANUL find several HANULAK, HANULJAK, HANULYAK and on Johann HANULZAK Robert Kurt McCrary <kurtmccrary@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Tatjana, Thank You for your reply! Your e-mail helped alot, the fog is starting to clear.................;-) I see that Gjurgjanci is close to Vrbica in eastern Croatia. What is the Municipality in which Vrbica is contained? Do you know if it was in Syrmia or Slovonia? Any clue or guess what the actual spelling of Johann "HONIJAK"? name actually is? What would another spelling of the name be? Nationality? I am wondering if Buckinie? is actually Bunkin in the BATSCH707KA? Thank You Again! Best regards Kurt Ivan =John LETT arrived ELLIS ISLAND. on the ship Kronprinzes. Cecilie Sailing from Bremen March 16, 1909 Ivan LETT going to see brother in law Johann "HONIJAK"? 865 Sharon PA Looks like he was traveling with a friend Ivan ABT I cant make out where they are coming from or born John ( on one page it says, Buckinie? on the start page it says Vrbica, Croatia, Nearest relative to Ivan ABT father is Paul ABT From Gjurgjanci Croatia residing in Gjurgjanci (today D-urd-anci which is west of Vinkovci about 20 miles, 4 miles from Vrbica), Mikanovci (today Stari Mikanovci- this is the Municipality where Durdanci are located) Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stari_Mikanovci map of the area: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=4&x=2657486&y=5017403&cx=2657486& cy=5017403&w=640&h=410 The Nearest relative for Ivan is Terasa LEHT/LETT from Vinkovici, Croatia.(Which is about 15 from Vrbica (German:Werbitz?)) (Teresa AMENT LETT arrived on Kaiserin Augusta Victoria Sailing from Hamburg June 26, 1909) Ellis Island One STEP http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html I know the AMENT's and the ABT's were originally from the Lovas Tompojevci and Vinkovici area of Croatia so I assume the areas are from around there? Tat417761@cs.com wrote: In a message dated 1/20/2007 1:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, kurtmccrary@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: [CROATIA] Need help reading Ellis Island record? Ivan LETT, Jofarm > HONIJAK and Ivan ABT from Croatia > Date:1/20/2007 1:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time > From:kurtmccrary@yahoo.com > Reply-to:croatia@rootsweb.com > To:croatia@rootsweb.com > Received from Internet: > > > > Hello List, > Ivan =John LETT arrived ELLIS ISLAND. on the ship Kronprinzes. Cecilie > Sailing from Bremen March 16, 1909 Ivan LETT going to see brother in law "Jofarm Johann HONIJAK"? 865 Sharon PA > Looks like he was traveling with a friend Ivan ABT I cant make out where > they are coming from or born John ( on one page it says, Buckinie? thi is place of birth on the start page it says Vrbica? thi is place of residence Nearest relative to Ivan ABT father is Paul ABT residing in Gjurgjanci (todaj D-urd-anci), Mikanovci (today Stari Mikanovci- this is the Municipality where Durdanci are located) map of the area: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=4&x=2657486&y=5017403&cx=2657486& cy=5017403&w=640&h=410 >From ????? Croatia and the Nearest relative for Ivan is Terasa LEHT/LETT from > Vinkovici, Croatia. > On this map the orange ring is Stari Mikanovci > > http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=6&x=2661891&y=5016783& > cx=2661891&cy=5016783&w=640&h=410 > (Teresa AMENT LETT arrived on Kaiserin Augusta Victoria Sailing from > Hamburg June 26, 1909) > > Ellis Island One STEP > http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html > > I know the AMENT's and the ABT's were originally from the Lovas Tompojevci > and Vinkovici area of Croatia so I assume the areas are from around there? > > Thank You > Best regards > Kurt > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982
Hello Tatjana, Thank You for your reply! Your e-mail helped alot, the fog is starting to clear.................;-) I see that Gjurgjanci is close to Vrbica in eastern Croatia. What is the Municipality in which Vrbica is contained? Do you know if it was in Syrmia or Slovonia? Any clue or guess what the actual spelling of Johann "HONIJAK"? name actually is? What would another spelling of the name be? Nationality? I am wondering if Buckinie? is actually Bunkin in the BATSCHKA? Thank You Again! Best regards Kurt Ivan =John LETT arrived ELLIS ISLAND. on the ship Kronprinzes. Cecilie Sailing from Bremen March 16, 1909 Ivan LETT going to see brother in law Johann "HONIJAK"? 865 Sharon PA Looks like he was traveling with a friend Ivan ABT I cant make out where they are coming from or born John ( on one page it says, Buckinie? on the start page it says Vrbica, Croatia, Nearest relative to Ivan ABT father is Paul ABT From Gjurgjanci Croatia residing in Gjurgjanci (today D-urd-anci which is west of Vinkovci about 20 miles, 4 miles from Vrbica), Mikanovci (today Stari Mikanovci- this is the Municipality where Durdanci are located) Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stari_Mikanovci map of the area: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=4&x=2657486&y=5017403&cx=2657486& cy=5017403&w=640&h=410 The Nearest relative for Ivan is Terasa LEHT/LETT from Vinkovici, Croatia.(Which is about 15 from Vrbica (German:Werbitz?)) (Teresa AMENT LETT arrived on Kaiserin Augusta Victoria Sailing from Hamburg June 26, 1909) Ellis Island One STEP http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html I know the AMENT's and the ABT's were originally from the Lovas Tompojevci and Vinkovici area of Croatia so I assume the areas are from around there? Tat417761@cs.com wrote: In a message dated 1/20/2007 1:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, kurtmccrary@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: [CROATIA] Need help reading Ellis Island record? Ivan LETT, Jofarm > HONIJAK and Ivan ABT from Croatia > Date:1/20/2007 1:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time > From:kurtmccrary@yahoo.com > Reply-to:croatia@rootsweb.com > To:croatia@rootsweb.com > Received from Internet: > > > > Hello List, > Ivan =John LETT arrived ELLIS ISLAND. on the ship Kronprinzes. Cecilie > Sailing from Bremen March 16, 1909 Ivan LETT going to see brother in law "Jofarm Johann HONIJAK"? 865 Sharon PA > Looks like he was traveling with a friend Ivan ABT I cant make out where > they are coming from or born John ( on one page it says, Buckinie? thi is place of birth on the start page it says Vrbica? thi is place of residence Nearest relative to Ivan ABT father is Paul ABT residing in Gjurgjanci (todaj D-urd-anci), Mikanovci (today Stari Mikanovci- this is the Municipality where Durdanci are located) map of the area: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=4&x=2657486&y=5017403&cx=2657486& cy=5017403&w=640&h=410 >From ????? Croatia and the Nearest relative for Ivan is Terasa LEHT/LETT from > Vinkovici, Croatia. > On this map the orange ring is Stari Mikanovci > > http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=6&x=2661891&y=5016783& > cx=2661891&cy=5016783&w=640&h=410 > (Teresa AMENT LETT arrived on Kaiserin Augusta Victoria Sailing from > Hamburg June 26, 1909) > > Ellis Island One STEP > http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html > > I know the AMENT's and the ABT's were originally from the Lovas Tompojevci > and Vinkovici area of Croatia so I assume the areas are from around there? > > Thank You > Best regards > Kurt > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
In a message dated 1/20/2007 1:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, kurtmccrary@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: [CROATIA] Need help reading Ellis Island record? Ivan LETT, Jofarm > HONIJAK and Ivan ABT from Croatia > Date:1/20/2007 1:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time > From:kurtmccrary@yahoo.com > Reply-to:croatia@rootsweb.com > To:croatia@rootsweb.com > Received from Internet: > > > > Hello List, > Ivan =John LETT arrived ELLIS ISLAND. on the ship Kronprinzes. Cecilie > Sailing from Bremen March 16, 1909 Ivan LETT going to see brother in law "Jofarm Johann HONIJAK"? 865 Sharon PA > Looks like he was traveling with a friend Ivan ABT I cant make out where > they are coming from or born John ( on one page it says, Buckinie? thi is place of birth on the start page it says Vrbica? thi is place of residence Nearest relative to Ivan ABT father is Paul ABT residing in Gjurgjanci (todaj D-urd-anci), Mikanovci (today Stari Mikanovci- this is the Municipality where Durdanci are located) map of the area: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=4&x=2657486&y=5017403&cx=2657486& cy=5017403&w=640&h=410 >From ????? Croatia and the Nearest relative for Ivan is Terasa LEHT/LETT from > Vinkovici, Croatia. > On this map the orange ring is Stari Mikanovci > > http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=6&x=2661891&y=5016783& > cx=2661891&cy=5016783&w=640&h=410 > (Teresa AMENT LETT arrived on Kaiserin Augusta Victoria Sailing from > Hamburg June 26, 1909) > > Ellis Island One STEP > http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html > > I know the AMENT's and the ABT's were originally from the Lovas Tompojevci > and Vinkovici area of Croatia so I assume the areas are from around there? > > Thank You > Best regards > Kurt > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message >
Hello List, Ivan =John LETT arrived ELLIS ISLAND. on the ship Kronprinzes. Cecilie Sailing from Bremen March 16, 1909 Ivan LETT going to see brother in law "Jofarm HONIJAK"? 865 Sharon PA Looks like he was traveling with a friend Ivan ABT I cant make out where they are coming from or born John ( on one page it says, Buckinie? on the start page it says Vrbica? Nearest relative to Ivan ABT father is Paul ABT From ????? Croatia and the Nearest relative for Ivan is Terasa LEHT/LETT from Vinkovici, Croatia. (Teresa AMENT LETT arrived on Kaiserin Augusta Victoria Sailing from Hamburg June 26, 1909) Ellis Island One STEP http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html I know the AMENT's and the ABT's were originally from the Lovas Tompojevci and Vinkovici area of Croatia so I assume the areas are from around there? Thank You Best regards Kurt --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Superfine (aka caster sugar) is commonly sold at many stores... although I would make the trip to Uffda Land to shop at Byerleys! http://www.dominosugar.com/products/superfine.asp Robert "Reuter, Patty" <patty.reuter@highlandbanks.com> wrote: It is sold at Byerley's and Lund's in Minnesota. -----Original Message----- From: croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Heiser Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:09 PM To: croatia@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Christmas Cookies Natalie, thank you so much! What a treasure trove of good eating. I do have one question though: what is castor sugar? Karen Heiser Weed, Siskiyou, CA RESEARCHING: HOFER, GRICH, NICHOLAS, WEST, SURRATT, WILSON, DEVINE, DOTSON, SIFFORD, JOHNSTON, HEISER, & WILLIAMS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit www.messagelabs.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit www.messagelabs.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982
tatjana spotted this on the Guardian Unlimited Sport site and thought you should see it. To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited Sport site, go to http://sport.guardian.co.uk Balkan fans do battle Steve Bierley in Melbourne Tuesday January 16 2007 The Guardian Support for players of Croatian, Serbian, and Greek background is frequently vibrant and noisy at the Australian Open, but on the opening day of this year's tournament it tipped over into an ugly clash resulting in around 150 fans being escorted from the Melbourne Tennis Centre by police and stewards, although there were no arrests. After taunts between two groups, a brief fight erupted just after noon when Serbs and Croats, dressed in national colours, brandished flags, threw fists and water bottles and traded kicks. Police and security quickly calmed the situation by dividing the fans and escorting them out of different exits. A small Greek contingent, supporting Marcos Baghdatis of Cyprus, last year's beaten finalist, were standing near the Serbs and were angry that they were also ejected. On a day of record crowds Steve Wood, chief executive of Tennis Australia, said: "Fans in national colours have always been a welcome feature of this tournament. However, if behaviour by individual fans or groups starts to actively interfere with the enjoyment of others, we have established a procedure to step in. We hope it sends a clear message." The Croats were there to watch two seeds in Ivan Ljubicic, who lost, and Mario Ancic in action while the Serbians came to follow Jelena Jankovic. Today, with the temperature forecast to reach a scorching 39C (102F), police and security will be on high alert for further trouble when Croatia's Marin Cilic and the Serbian Ilia Bozoljac do battle - if that is the right word - in the fourth match on Court 21. Copyright Guardian News and Media Limited