Estelle, You are correct. This system lasted until sometime around the peasant revolts of c. 1848 Robert Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> wrote: Thank you Dr Former - that clarifies it somewhat for me. Am I right in assuming that the "feudal lord" would have owned the land? Regards Estelle >From: Tat417761@cs.com >Reply-To: croatia@rootsweb.com >To: croatia@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Feudal system in Croatia >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 04:18:52 EDT > >Estelle, >serf was not a slave or a servant. He had use of the land and paid a >specified part of the fruit to the feudal lord who took care of the >administration and >defense. >Some similarity to our tax payments. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Chat with 1000s of Sexy Singles right now http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D25447&_t=754951090&_r=chat&_m=EXT ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/jerin2007.pdf
Kurt, there are only 4 Vlado Horvats in Zgb tel book: Horvat Vlado Zagreb, Žuti breg 25 (+385) 1 2929 069 02. Horvat Vlado Zagreb, Karela Zahradnika 23 (+385) 1 6642 369 03. Horvat Vlado Zagreb, Šljivik 22 (+385) 1 2347 547 04. Horvat Vlado Zagreb, Travanjska 19 (+385) 1 3872 881 Write to them to find the one you are looking for. These days educated people overthere know English or at least understand it. I find bookwtiters quite helpful when asking them something. The Eltzes returned to Croatia. They will know where their estate's archives are. You can also find them in the Zgb tel book: Eltz Vukovarski Georg Zagreb, Trg Antuna, Ivana i Vladimira Mažuranica 5 (+385) 1 4855 454 Georg may be willing to give you some information you are looking for. His late father was quite helpful when I had some questions. Finally I think you are mixing apples and oranges. In feudal system cities did not belong to the feudal lords and the citizens were not serfs. They would get a charter from the king as "free royal city". Zagreb got hers in 1242 from king Bela. In 1231 Vukovar was proclaimed a free royal city. From 1526 to 1687 Vukovar was under Turkish occupation but upon liberation this did not change her original legal status. Eltz's Vukovar town is not the same as the city of Vukovar. dr Former
Hello .dr Former . Thank You, For the information. Looks like I need to do more research. I did not know Vukovar became a actual city so long ago, and a free city. It must have had a significant population. So no Serfs lived in the City of Vukovar. Just on the Eltz Estate, of the now 35 Villages. Do You happen to know the difference between Vukovar and New Vukovar in the 1800's? Thank You Best Regards Kurt Tat417761@cs.com wrote: Kurt, there are only 4 Vlado Horvats in Zgb tel book: Horvat Vlado Zagreb, Žuti breg 25 (+385) 1 2929 069 02. Horvat Vlado Zagreb, Karela Zahradnika 23 (+385) 1 6642 369 03. Horvat Vlado Zagreb, Šljivik 22 (+385) 1 2347 547 04. Horvat Vlado Zagreb, Travanjska 19 (+385) 1 3872 881 Write to them to find the one you are looking for. These days educated people overthere know English or at least understand it. I find bookwtiters quite helpful when asking them something. The Eltzes returned to Croatia. They will know where their estate's archives are. You can also find them in the Zgb tel book: Eltz Vukovarski Georg Zagreb, Trg Antuna, Ivana i Vladimira Mažuranica 5 (+385) 1 4855 454 Georg may be willing to give you some information you are looking for. His late father was quite helpful when I had some questions. Finally I think you are mixing apples and oranges. In feudal system cities did not belong to the feudal lords and the citizens were not serfs. They would get a charter from the king as "free royal city". Zagreb got hers in 1242 from king Bela. In 1231 Vukovar was proclaimed a free royal city. From 1526 to 1687 Vukovar was under Turkish occupation but upon liberation this did not change her original legal status. Eltz's Vukovar town is not the same as the city of Vukovar. dr Former --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Hello List, I believe that many of the questions about the history of the Croatians, Donauschwbens and others in Vukovar, Srem (Syrmia) have probably been answered somewhere. Unfortunately because of the language barrier, its hard to find the resources in English needed to answer my many questions. I have bought books in some of these towns but can't read them, however some have nice photo's......;-) Among other authors, I think there are about 16 books by VLADO HORVAT out there that cover the area's of villages/county in around Srem (Syrmien) and Slavonia. Does anyone have any information on him? Does he Speak English and whats his e-mail addy? Does he have a Bio? I can't seem to find one. Perhaps if I post the questions with,........ what I already think,........ I know, possibly someone can help me or other researchers in this area. Correct me if I'm wrong. It would seem Vukovar had a long lasting German influence. In 1231 Germans were reported living in Vukovar I assume with Croatians, . What I don't know is, if they mean the District or the Village, or the village? Odescalchi, a nephew of Pope Innocent XI was given the lands and title of Count of Syrmien in 1698. In July 21, 1718 Syrmien was liberated from the Turks and became part of the army controlled Military Frontier District. The area of Vukovar, Syrmia like most of Europe was under the Fuedal System. A German, Philipp Karl zu Eltz, Arch-chancellor of the Holy Roman Empire and Prince Elector of Mainz, bought the Lordship of Vukovar for 175,000 Gulden, in 1736. Who owned or sold Vukovar to the ELTZ Family? The Church or another Count or Baron (Ban) I think what might be misunderstood by someone is the size of the ELTZ Estate. I know it was by me. It was big. There was the Village of Vucovar and a DISTRICT of Vukovar Though the Eltz lived in the village/town of Vukovar, The Eltz family owned the "Estate" (County/District/Jarasok) not just the Town. >From what I understand, In 1808 the Eltz property of Vukovar, was from north of Vara, to the South of Sarengrad on the border with Ilok back west to Banovci Novi and north again to North of Tordinci. Some towns not included likely because they didn't exsist. Like Babska, Ovcara, Borovo, Lipovaca, and Bokić. However these lands were owned by the ELTZ. The ELTZ borders of Vukovar were similar, but with variation, to the border of the Vukovar Jarasok on the 1910 map of http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/szerem.jpg The Eltz family owned the "Estate" and entitled to profit by it. Receiving Tith/Taxes from the Serfs. They were also responsible for the government of this area, including what ever maybe needed, and held the financial responsibility. The whole Vukovar Estate, as far as I can see, included about 36 villages! It is reported in the text excerpts contributed by Joseph Esterreicher, from "Die Deutshen in Syrmien, Slavonien, Kroatien und Bosnien" by Dr. Valentin Oberkersch, translated by Henry A Fischer http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia-slavonia/index.htm or http://www.hrastovac.net/historical/Valentin-Oberkersch.htm That at least one of the Eltz properties was Theresian settlement and was established under royal auspices at some time between 1740 - 1780. I suspect that way more than one of the Eltz villages were set up in this way and at this time. But I have not found any records to show this. The book also indicates the Eltz villages of Syrmia: Ilaca, Bapska-Novak, Schider Banovci, Svinjarevci, Jankovci, and Tordinci. had been populated or for lack of a better terminology reinforced, by Germans from the Batschka or Banat in larger numbers in later years (1800's). According to DONAUSCHWABEN IN SYRMIEN, http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dssyrmi.html In the years 1820 to 1850 --establishments were strengthened from daughter settlements in the Batschka, The Eltz Vukovar villages, included Sotting (Sotin), Opatovac, Lowas, Jarmina, Berak, Tompojevci, Tovarnik, Ilaca, Svinjarevci, and Babska Novak. So why don't I know when these villages were established and or re-established? Where are these records? I suspect some of the Donauschwben Villages were new or Re-established, but when and by who? If a village was ancient, and People were already living there, Did the Ban draw up a new Village Plat Map and redraw the settlement? I assume this is possible as he owned the property and those living in it, but when were these villages officially platted? I wonder if there are plans to put Stader's Works and or those that preceded him on CD? What would be great is to be able to pull up the original German Colonist records on a whole town. Or is there such an Index, if so where can we find it? As Staders Books are not completed yet are there plans to include such a tool? This way we could compare it to possibly the 1828 Census? I don't know that it says anywhere, "when" the Feudal System was abolished in 1848 it caused allot of noticeable movement of new Donaushwaben purchasing properties in Srem (Syrmia), but I would think so? I would have guessed that establishments would have increased in population more after 1848. Anyone read any reports on this perhaps I missed it? At this time, (1848) it was reported somewhere, The Eltz family reduced there property by 2/3 and it offered a economic opportunity to improve their property, which then became profitable. As I see it, if the Eltz family was doing well, this would stimulate the whole of the Vukovar economy, and buying and selling property would increase and cause a influx of Donuschwaben settlers from the Batschka.............But did it happen? Seems like the influx of Donauschwabens would have gradually moved to Vukovar Srem, between 1820 and 1850, because of population and economic reasons, and would have had maybe a boom of some sort starting about 1848 including Hungarians, Hungarian Croatians, Ruthanians and Serbs and the Donauschwabens........ In 1848 when the Size of the Vukovar estate was reduced did the border become smaller or did the sell of villages or parts of villages to the Serfs maintaining some of there properties in each or some of there villages? Is there any way to find out what properties they had left? I suppose someone had to already be running the town like a a mayor or overseer for the Eltz, Is there a way to find out who the Eltz employed in these 36 villages in the District of Vukovar, did they have a advantage over the Serfs, when land was bought? I ask this because I know (family story) my Croatian family sometime before the 1900's had lost large amounts of land because of Political trickery. I have heard of similar stories in my research............ Any historical informatin on the The ELTZ VUKOVAR VILLAGES, especially Vukovar Sotin, Opatovac, Lovas, Berak, Tompojevci, Tovarnik, and Ilaca is appreciated. Thank You Best regards Kurt --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Hello List, I am trying to find my families old home in Sotin, Tompojevci, Lovas, Opatovak and Tovarnik. Other descendants would also like to know where there families lived in these villages. I have the Church records for Sotin and Tompojevci and have the addresses of the old homes, but over the years, address's have changed, the only way I can identify the homes is by comparing the Church records to the Census records It seems like it has been years, I have been asking this question And I am sure someone has explained it to me before but it hasn't apparently sunk in...;-). Maybe today we have will have better luck. I thought I posted this to the list weeks ago, but I find no record of it on my computer.............and no response from the list. I was wondering if anyone could explain to me where the Croatian Census records are?. Are they available on CD, microfilm or in book form. Where does one look? How does someone obtain the Census records 1857-1931? I understand that there have been fourteen census's after 1857 covering the area of present day Croatia. These have occurred in 1857,(then after Srem / Syrmia was annexed to Croatia in 1860,) 1869, 1880, 1900, 1910, 1921, 1931, 1948, 1953, 1961, 1971, 1981, and 1991. Which one of these are available? Does the LDS carry them? I couldn't find them anywhere........ If I understand correctly, the Croatian Genealogical Society The Society holds a Census of Croatia for 1948; Census of Slavonia for 1740's; Census of Bosnia Herzegovina for 1740's. Where are the rest? I have written Sanja Frigan, and she talks about a book that has surnames in localities from 1948 and the Status Animarum. I also wrote Adam S. Eterovich, (http://www.croatians.com/) but have not yet heard from him. Where did the Croatian Genealogy Society get the copy of the 1948 Croatian Census? And if they have it why not the LDS? What is Status Animarum and the name and explanation of the book that lists the surnames in Croatia in 1948? I assume this Status Animarum is a church book? Did all churches keep them and why? Did the LDS film them? I am mostly interested in even any local census's for the District of " Eltz's" Vukovar, Vukovar-Sotin, Lovas, Tovarnik, Opatovac Tompojevci, additionally Vinkovci, Any information on this subject is appreciated Thank You Kurt --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Hmm, you’re right. I guess if you’re not working on genealogy, you’re more involved with becoming an ancestor than a descendant. Guess it’s time to get back to work! Peg On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: > Where is everyone? Haven't had any messages for awhile now. > > So to get things going I thought that I would let everyone know > that my fall Heritage and History Tour to Croatia is available for > signup. You can find the brochure with details at: > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/media/jerin2007.pdf > > Robert > > > To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia > http://www.kollander-travel.com/media/jerin2007.pdf > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Well I'm still around, and I was trying to follow up on some possible leads for Joseph Matkovic, but so far haven't found any definite clues. Currently I am taking classes, working full time , and starting my own security business PRO-SERVE Protection Services in Beloit WI. I'm also still trying to find more about Bakic and Vuksic from Dugo Selo. Dave
Robert; It looks like everybody found "their way" back to Adam and Eve. Spring has sprung and genealogy takes a back seat or they gave it up for Lent. Been having trouble with my computer and need to get a new one. God Bless. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> To: "Croatia List" <croatia-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:36 PM Subject: [CROATIA] What happened to the List ! Where is everyone? Haven't had any messages for awhile now. So to get things going I thought that I would let everyone know that my fall Heritage and History Tour to Croatia is available for signup. You can find the brochure with details at: http://www.kollander-travel.com/media/jerin2007.pdf Robert To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/media/jerin2007.pdf ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Where is everyone? Haven't had any messages for awhile now. So to get things going I thought that I would let everyone know that my fall Heritage and History Tour to Croatia is available for signup. You can find the brochure with details at: http://www.kollander-travel.com/media/jerin2007.pdf Robert To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/media/jerin2007.pdf
Hello Vicki, First let me express my best wishes for your son. Second, I can attest to illnesses and syndromes prevalent in Mediterranean peoples, as I had one so identified many years ago - not related to your sons but having to do with red blood cells, but my heritage was identified by the physician nevertheless. Third, we have a physician who is of Croatian heritage who monitors this bulletin board and perhaps she can provide a perspective for you. That said, let me offer some suggestions and observations. It is not unheard of for a symptoms such as you describe to lie dormant for years or decades then reappear. Hence, your concern is justified. As you have identified the illness as being more prevalent in Turkey, perhaps a detailed genealogical search will show whether your line comes from Croatia via Turkey. Next, as was suggested a second opinion is always a good thing to do, perhaps at a medical facility that specializes in that sort of illness or syndrome. Also, I hope that since you have identified possible consequences of the illness, that you have him have his blood tested regularly and have a full lipid panel and histological examination. Good luck. Please let the group know when you make progress on this issue. Remember, nearly everything is treatable these days. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sauter, Vicki L." <vicki.sauter@umsl.edu> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Familial Mediterranean Fever > Thanks for the prayers and advice. To provide more details .... My son > had a bout with fevers when he was in the second and third grades, but > no one ever mentioned this. They suddenly stopped at the end of third > grade. He is now 20 and the fevers have returned ... They are in the > 103-104 range (which is very scary to me at his age) about once a month > for between 3 an 7 days. He is otherwise healthy, eats well, and is a > collegiate varsity athlete. What frightens me most is that this can > cause the body to spill proteins into the kidney that can result in > renal failure or into the joints and cause arthritis. I think that > second opinion may be a good idea ... Sooner than later. > > Vicki > > -----Original Message----- > From: croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Natalie Prodan > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:18 AM > To: croatia@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Familial Mediterranean Fever > > I would obtain a second opinion I've never heard of this and fevers, any > that last more than 3 days and/or even low grade fevers that impact a > child so that they won't play or do other children activities but wants > to rather just rest should definately be looked into. > > I'd suggest another medical doctor as a second opinion. :) > > Good luck! I"m sorry that your child is ill I hope you find the correct > answers! > > > On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Sauter, Vicki L. wrote: > > Good morning, > I have a question that is not entirely genealogical, but I hope you > will indulge me. > My son has been having a series of fevers of unknown origin over the > last 6 months, and apparently is retaining fluids in the lining of his > stomach. Based on his Croatian heritage, the doctor has hypothesized > Familial Mediterranean Fever. However, he cannot be sure until the > fever presents itself again because the tests require an active episode > to be reliable. It apparently is a recessive gene and also is > relatively rare. From what I have read on the Internet, however, Med. > Fever is more prevalent in Turkey. > My question is whether any of you have heard of Familial > Mediterranean Fever among Croatians. > > Thanks! > Vicki Sauter > > ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > ^v^v^v^v^v^v^ > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. > However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > > Vicki L. Sauter > Professor of Information Systems email: Vicki.Sauter@umsl.edu > University of Missouri-St. Louis voice: +1 314.516.6281 > One University Blvd. fax: +1 314.516.6827 > St. Louis, MO 63121-4400 USA URL: > http://www.umsl.edu/~sauter/ > > This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and may contain > privileged or confidential information. If you received it in error, > please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I would obtain a second opinion I've never heard of this and fevers, any that last more than 3 days and/or even low grade fevers that impact a child so that they won't play or do other children activities but wants to rather just rest should definately be looked into. I'd suggest another medical doctor as a second opinion. :) Good luck! I"m sorry that your child is ill I hope you find the correct answers! On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Sauter, Vicki L. wrote: Good morning, I have a question that is not entirely genealogical, but I hope you will indulge me. My son has been having a series of fevers of unknown origin over the last 6 months, and apparently is retaining fluids in the lining of his stomach. Based on his Croatian heritage, the doctor has hypothesized Familial Mediterranean Fever. However, he cannot be sure until the fever presents itself again because the tests require an active episode to be reliable. It apparently is a recessive gene and also is relatively rare. From what I have read on the Internet, however, Med. Fever is more prevalent in Turkey. My question is whether any of you have heard of Familial Mediterranean Fever among Croatians. Thanks! Vicki Sauter ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v ^v^v^v^v^v^v^ No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Vicki L. Sauter Professor of Information Systems email: Vicki.Sauter@umsl.edu University of Missouri-St. Louis voice: +1 314.516.6281 One University Blvd. fax: +1 314.516.6827 St. Louis, MO 63121-4400 USA URL: http://www.umsl.edu/~sauter/ This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks for the prayers and advice. To provide more details .... My son had a bout with fevers when he was in the second and third grades, but no one ever mentioned this. They suddenly stopped at the end of third grade. He is now 20 and the fevers have returned ... They are in the 103-104 range (which is very scary to me at his age) about once a month for between 3 an 7 days. He is otherwise healthy, eats well, and is a collegiate varsity athlete. What frightens me most is that this can cause the body to spill proteins into the kidney that can result in renal failure or into the joints and cause arthritis. I think that second opinion may be a good idea ... Sooner than later. Vicki -----Original Message----- From: croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Natalie Prodan Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:18 AM To: croatia@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Familial Mediterranean Fever I would obtain a second opinion I've never heard of this and fevers, any that last more than 3 days and/or even low grade fevers that impact a child so that they won't play or do other children activities but wants to rather just rest should definately be looked into. I'd suggest another medical doctor as a second opinion. :) Good luck! I"m sorry that your child is ill I hope you find the correct answers! On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Sauter, Vicki L. wrote: Good morning, I have a question that is not entirely genealogical, but I hope you will indulge me. My son has been having a series of fevers of unknown origin over the last 6 months, and apparently is retaining fluids in the lining of his stomach. Based on his Croatian heritage, the doctor has hypothesized Familial Mediterranean Fever. However, he cannot be sure until the fever presents itself again because the tests require an active episode to be reliable. It apparently is a recessive gene and also is relatively rare. From what I have read on the Internet, however, Med. Fever is more prevalent in Turkey. My question is whether any of you have heard of Familial Mediterranean Fever among Croatians. Thanks! Vicki Sauter ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v ^v^v^v^v^v^v^ No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Vicki L. Sauter Professor of Information Systems email: Vicki.Sauter@umsl.edu University of Missouri-St. Louis voice: +1 314.516.6281 One University Blvd. fax: +1 314.516.6827 St. Louis, MO 63121-4400 USA URL: http://www.umsl.edu/~sauter/ This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Good morning, I have a question that is not entirely genealogical, but I hope you will indulge me. My son has been having a series of fevers of unknown origin over the last 6 months, and apparently is retaining fluids in the lining of his stomach. Based on his Croatian heritage, the doctor has hypothesized Familial Mediterranean Fever. However, he cannot be sure until the fever presents itself again because the tests require an active episode to be reliable. It apparently is a recessive gene and also is relatively rare. From what I have read on the Internet, however, Med. Fever is more prevalent in Turkey. My question is whether any of you have heard of Familial Mediterranean Fever among Croatians. Thanks! Vicki Sauter ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v ^v^v^v^v^v^v^ No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Vicki L. Sauter Professor of Information Systems email: Vicki.Sauter@umsl.edu University of Missouri-St. Louis voice: +1 314.516.6281 One University Blvd. fax: +1 314.516.6827 St. Louis, MO 63121-4400 USA URL: http://www.umsl.edu/~sauter/ This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original.
No, Vicki, I haven't, I'm sorry. But I'll pray for your son and I'll pray that the doctors get to the bottom of it with tests, etc. edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sauter, Vicki L." <vicki.sauter@umsl.edu> To: <CROATIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: [CROATIA] Familial Mediterranean Fever > Good morning, > I have a question that is not entirely genealogical, but I hope you > will indulge me. > My son has been having a series of fevers of unknown origin over the > last 6 months, and apparently is retaining fluids in the lining of his > stomach. Based on his Croatian heritage, the doctor has hypothesized > Familial Mediterranean Fever. However, he cannot be sure until the > fever presents itself again because the tests require an active episode > to be reliable. It apparently is a recessive gene and also is > relatively rare. From what I have read on the Internet, however, Med. > Fever is more prevalent in Turkey. > My question is whether any of you have heard of Familial Mediterranean > Fever among Croatians. > > Thanks! > Vicki Sauter > > ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > ^v^v^v^v^v^v^ > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. > However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > > Vicki L. Sauter > Professor of Information Systems email: Vicki.Sauter@umsl.edu > University of Missouri-St. Louis voice: +1 314.516.6281 > One University Blvd. fax: +1 314.516.6827 > St. Louis, MO 63121-4400 USA URL: > http://www.umsl.edu/~sauter/ > > This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and may contain > privileged or confidential information. If you received it in error, > please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I'm trying to trace my Accurti family that mysteriously disappears from the Abruzzo region of Italy about 1820 or so. The last record I have is of my Calisto Accurti b. 1845 in Nereto, Teramo, Italy. It seems this family name originates in the Balkans. Appreciate any help. Don
Seems very interesting - I just completed a sociology class last term, and was amazed in my own research when I learned abou the old indian water temples, etc. and then of course all their holistic methods for healing which is starting to find some relevance in todays society.. amazing how people 2500 years ago knew so much more than we seem to know today. Probably gets lost in the scientific community because it isn't supported by evidence or research (particularly a study group or documentation) I saw a couple months ago a study about how to reduce infections in hospitals - the answer: open windows to let in fresh air. Grandma is probably laughing in her grave! Dave
> > Subject: my cousin's new book > > This review from a national New Zealand paper may remind you of some > readings about the Cherokee in the United States, their willingness to > adopt to American - European traditions and economics, their success, > and about the jealousies this spawned. When President Andrew Jackson > siezed their lands and properties, the Cherokee nation sued in court > and won a national Supreme Court decision in their favor. However, > the President ignored that decision, which wasn't enforceable, and > proceeded to evict the Cherokee to Oaklahoma. Promised food supplies, > clothing, and blankets did not show up, it was winter, and about one - > third of those on the Trail of Tears died on the journey from cold, > hunger, and pneumonia. > > The book was written by my cousin, adapted from her PhD thesis. Her > grandparents were from northern Croatia, on the coast and islands > areound Krk. > > Ashley > Sunday Star Times > http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/3996538a19798.html > Books: All Black > Sunday Star Times | Sunday, 18 March 2007 several other reviews, then my cousin's book. Pakeha are white colonialists. Tangata whenua is probably the Maori word for themselves. > CHIEFS OF INDUSTRY: MAORI TRIBAL ENTERPRISE IN EARLY COLONIAL NEW > ZEALAND > By Hazel Petrie, Auckland University Press, $50 > Auckland business historian decisively overturns two commonly held > views about 19th-century Maori. One is the well-intentioned - but, in > fact, condescending - view that Maori in colonial times were the > guileless, time-trapped victims of Pakeha rapacity. The other is the > familiar redneck excuse that Maori were doing bugger-all anyway with > the land taken from them. On the contrary, Petrie shows that in early > decades of European settlement - up to the mid-1850s -Maori controlled > the food industry not just as market gardeners but as flour-millers. > They also dominated the coastal shipping trade - and their vessels > included schooners as well as canoes. Far from being constrained by > time-honoured tradition, the tangata whenua were quick to adapt their > ways to the commercial opportunities opened up by the influx of > Europeans. The bitter irony was that their success in cultivating new > crops made their land all the more desirable to colonists. Government > forces seizing territory during the wars of the 1860s often destroyed > flourishing wheat and dismantled highly functional Maori mills. Petrie > does not make any big, blustering claims for herself as a radical > theorist in this book, which grew out of her PhD thesis. She > concentrates on evidence, rather than rhetoric. But Chiefs of Industry > is one of the most thought-provoking New Zealand history books > produced so far this century.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07079/770918-53.stm "There is no distinctly native American criminal class except those in Washington DC." Barry Goldwater
Yes, I knew about the dealership. Let's hope that was the reaction! Patty -----Original Message----- From: casantac-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:casantac-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of WJhonson@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:25 PM To: casantac@rootsweb.com; croatia@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CASANTAC] [CROATIA] Martin Franich of Watsonville You're aware that there is a "Marty Franich" car dealership in Watsonville? I'm sure this yearbook for "Martin" is most likely the father or grandfather of that "Marty" Maybe they saw it and called their aunt Martha and said "why you selling that??? I want it!" (grin) Will Johnson ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANTAC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message