Regarding the use of Traveler's checks (TC), last year during my trip it was explained to me the way things work in Croati with banks is each bank has only one contract with the TC company and the contracts are renewed every 1 or 2 years. Last year the contract withAMEX had expired with one bank and was successfully negotiated with a new one. After some frustration, an experienced bank teller more comfortable with conveying details explained this to me. She told me her bank had the contract but now it was with their competitor. Once I knew what bank to go to I had no trouble with the Amex checks, was not charged a fee for cashing them and they helped me locate a branch at my next stop. In the future I would check with AMEX's international dept and find out which bank they have the contract with in advance and check before each departure. I understand this is the way the system works so different banks will have arrangements with different TC compnies. Ann Marie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

John, Does your mother know any Butkovic folks from Lika? edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stefanac" <jmstefanac@hotmail.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs > Hi Vicky, > > Would be good if you could share some more details about your family. I am > sure my mother would know Butkovic if your grandfather was from Mrkopalj > and > Sunger is only a kilometre or so away. > > Your snake story made me laugh. Reminds of some of the things my mother > would make us all do. Whenever there is a new moon she would quickly find > some money and show the moon money saying that we will have money in the > house and the other one was make us all get down on the floor on our backs > and roll back and forth the first time thunder was heard in the new year. > She said we would be free of back pain for a whole year. > > Crazy mums :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vicky Malin" <vsmalin@msn.com> > To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:50 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs > > >> We will dye the eggs this evening also. They will be served with green >> onions on Easter Sunday as grandma always said that "If you eat green >> onions >> on Easter Sunday morning, you won't see a snake all year!" I'm not sure >> it >> really works that way, but we've always done it and it gets a laugh! >> My grandfather, Butkovich was from Mrkopalj and Grandma was a Padovic >> from >> Sunger. I'm always looking for "cousins" to connect. >> Vicky Malin >> >> >>>From: "John Stefanac" <jmstefanac@hotmail.com> >>>Reply-To: croatia@rootsweb.com >>>To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> >>>Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs >>>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:33:35 +0800 >>> >>>Just came back from painting the Easter Eggs. Like Ashley, I grew up >>>painting the eggs on Saturday evening. Here in Singapore it is Saturday >>>evening now so we keep that tradition alive in our family. >>> >>>And Ashley, try as we might, we still haven't been able to find a >>>connection >>>between my mother also from Mrkopalj and your family. >>> >>>Sretan Uskrs >>> >>>John >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Ashley Tiwara" <grubisicx@sbcglobal.net> >>>To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:06 AM >>>Subject: [CROATIA] about those eggs >>> >>> >>> > Somehow, Grandma and I always ended up dying the Uskers eggs on >>> > Saturday, probably about the same time the zeludac was boiling. She's >>> > much on my mind tonight as I bought the zeludac ingredients this >>> > afternoon and then got home too tired to mix it up. Late years I've >>> > been sewing muslin bags to boil it in, as it's very hard to find pig >>> > intestines without a lot of driving, and the muslin is actually easier >>> > to stuff since I make them 3 or 4 inches across. >>> > >>> > Grandma was a PETROVICH and BLAZEVICH from Sunger / Merkopalj, in the >>> > hills above Rijeka. Grandpa was a GRUBISIC / TOMICH from the same >>> > small village. Anybody out there who might be a cousin? >>> > >>> > Sretan Uskers, >>> > Ashley >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes >>>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Vicky, My Mom says that Mrkopalj is in Lika also. So, maybe by great grandmother Butkovic and your grandfather are cousins? edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stefanac" <jmstefanac@hotmail.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs > Mrkopalj is in Gorski Kotar. Closest 'large' town would be Delnice. It is > in > the North Western part of Croatia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edie" <sando1@cox.net> > To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 1:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs > > >> Vicky, >> My Croatian grandmother Kate Ilic was from Gospic, Lika, Croatia. Her >> mother was a Butkovic, and I assume from Gospic also. >> Maybe we're cousins? Where is Mrkopalj? Is is in Lika? >> Edith "Edie" Sando >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Vicky Malin" <vsmalin@msn.com> >> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs >> >> >>> We will dye the eggs this evening also. They will be served with green >>> onions on Easter Sunday as grandma always said that "If you eat green >>> onions >>> on Easter Sunday morning, you won't see a snake all year!" I'm not >>> sure >>> it >>> really works that way, but we've always done it and it gets a laugh! >>> My grandfather, Butkovich was from Mrkopalj and Grandma was a Padovic >>> from >>> Sunger. I'm always looking for "cousins" to connect. >>> Vicky Malin >>> >>> >>>>From: "John Stefanac" <jmstefanac@hotmail.com> >>>>Reply-To: croatia@rootsweb.com >>>>To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> >>>>Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs >>>>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:33:35 +0800 >>>> >>>>Just came back from painting the Easter Eggs. Like Ashley, I grew up >>>>painting the eggs on Saturday evening. Here in Singapore it is Saturday >>>>evening now so we keep that tradition alive in our family. >>>> >>>>And Ashley, try as we might, we still haven't been able to find a >>>>connection >>>>between my mother also from Mrkopalj and your family. >>>> >>>>Sretan Uskrs >>>> >>>>John >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Ashley Tiwara" <grubisicx@sbcglobal.net> >>>>To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:06 AM >>>>Subject: [CROATIA] about those eggs >>>> >>>> >>>> > Somehow, Grandma and I always ended up dying the Uskers eggs on >>>> > Saturday, probably about the same time the zeludac was boiling. >>>> > She's >>>> > much on my mind tonight as I bought the zeludac ingredients this >>>> > afternoon and then got home too tired to mix it up. Late years I've >>>> > been sewing muslin bags to boil it in, as it's very hard to find pig >>>> > intestines without a lot of driving, and the muslin is actually >>>> > easier >>>> > to stuff since I make them 3 or 4 inches across. >>>> > >>>> > Grandma was a PETROVICH and BLAZEVICH from Sunger / Merkopalj, in the >>>> > hills above Rijeka. Grandpa was a GRUBISIC / TOMICH from the same >>>> > small village. Anybody out there who might be a cousin? >>>> > >>>> > Sretan Uskers, >>>> > Ashley >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------- >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes >>>>in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Actually there were places that took Travelers Checks but the cost was high... but in many places they simply did not honor them. The best is to take cash and credit card when traveling... and as you said Money Orders are best for sending to Croatian relatives... we have used Western Union and that seems to work. Robert Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: Natalie, Opatija is one of the places where the bank would not cash Travelers Checks Robert Natalie Prodan <prodan@alltel.net> wrote: Wow! Well all I can say is that we send them to our relatives in Istria and they have no issues in cashing them in for the full amount. I don't know what to tell you other than what they share with us as their experiences. KWIM? :) Per relatives in Italy and Germany they prefer us to send only USPS money orders. Those clear without any effort, so they share. They don't want any other form of money order but those coming from US Postal Service. You know best, I'm just sharing experiences that have worked with my relatives and what they specifically ask for. :) Thanks for the tip should I travel elsewhere! :) On Apr 7, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Robert Jerin wrote: American Express Travlers Cheques? That is typically a bad idea, having traveled to Croatia 4 times I can atest to the fact they are practically worthless! Perhaps for locals who have a bank it may be easier but we did not find one bank that would accept them 2 years ago on our trip when on lady tried to use them. Even Travel Agencies will tell you not to take Travelers Cheques. The best thing is a Money Order or you can wire money by Western Union. Robert ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/jerin2007.pdf To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/jerin2007.pdf

Natalie, Opatija is one of the places where the bank would not cash Travelers Checks Robert Natalie Prodan <prodan@alltel.net> wrote: Wow! Well all I can say is that we send them to our relatives in Istria and they have no issues in cashing them in for the full amount. I don't know what to tell you other than what they share with us as their experiences. KWIM? :) Per relatives in Italy and Germany they prefer us to send only USPS money orders. Those clear without any effort, so they share. They don't want any other form of money order but those coming from US Postal Service. You know best, I'm just sharing experiences that have worked with my relatives and what they specifically ask for. :) Thanks for the tip should I travel elsewhere! :) On Apr 7, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Robert Jerin wrote: American Express Travlers Cheques? That is typically a bad idea, having traveled to Croatia 4 times I can atest to the fact they are practically worthless! Perhaps for locals who have a bank it may be easier but we did not find one bank that would accept them 2 years ago on our trip when on lady tried to use them. Even Travel Agencies will tell you not to take Travelers Cheques. The best thing is a Money Order or you can wire money by Western Union. Robert ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/jerin2007.pdf

Tony, Congrats to Georgia! Robert tony zugay <tozug@satx.rr.com> wrote: Robert, Thanks and the same to you and your family. Yesterday Georgia made "Gibanica" for the first time in her baking career. I was the coach who told her how my mom stretched the dough. That was always a Good Friday meal along with soup. Tomorrow we roast Lamb again. Tony On Apr 6, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Robert Jerin wrote: > Tony, > > Happy Easter to you and Georgia > > Robert > > tony zugay wrote: > You got an Easter blessing. > Tony > On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Jerome Buza wrote: > >> A week or so ago, some one wrote and wondered where everyone was and >> it was >> suggested that people gave up their computers for Lent. In the past 3 >> or 4 >> days, I can't keep up with the mail. On this account alone, between >> the two >> sites that I subscribe too because of my Grandparents families, I now >> have >> 127 emails to read. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/jerin2007.pdf > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/jerin2007.pdf

We will dye the eggs this evening also. They will be served with green onions on Easter Sunday as grandma always said that "If you eat green onions on Easter Sunday morning, you won't see a snake all year!" I'm not sure it really works that way, but we've always done it and it gets a laugh! My grandfather, Butkovich was from Mrkopalj and Grandma was a Padovic from Sunger. I'm always looking for "cousins" to connect. Vicky Malin >From: "John Stefanac" <jmstefanac@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: croatia@rootsweb.com >To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:33:35 +0800 > >Just came back from painting the Easter Eggs. Like Ashley, I grew up >painting the eggs on Saturday evening. Here in Singapore it is Saturday >evening now so we keep that tradition alive in our family. > >And Ashley, try as we might, we still haven't been able to find a >connection >between my mother also from Mrkopalj and your family. > >Sretan Uskrs > >John >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ashley Tiwara" <grubisicx@sbcglobal.net> >To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:06 AM >Subject: [CROATIA] about those eggs > > > > Somehow, Grandma and I always ended up dying the Uskers eggs on > > Saturday, probably about the same time the zeludac was boiling. She's > > much on my mind tonight as I bought the zeludac ingredients this > > afternoon and then got home too tired to mix it up. Late years I've > > been sewing muslin bags to boil it in, as it's very hard to find pig > > intestines without a lot of driving, and the muslin is actually easier > > to stuff since I make them 3 or 4 inches across. > > > > Grandma was a PETROVICH and BLAZEVICH from Sunger / Merkopalj, in the > > hills above Rijeka. Grandpa was a GRUBISIC / TOMICH from the same > > small village. Anybody out there who might be a cousin? > > > > Sretan Uskers, > > Ashley > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

My Zajenicar just came and there's a recipe for Easter Paska. I have a scaner, if that will work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Opia" <patopia@optonline.net> To: "Croatia Rootsweb" <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [CROATIA] Easter bread > Does anyone have a sure-proof recipe for Easter bread? My recipes (with > a pinch of this and a jigger of that) just never tuirn out very good. > They usually look like unleaven bread (but they do taste pretty good > with great anise flavor). But I do try to shape them in three sections > like a bishop's hat. My grandmother also used to put a whole egg with > shell in the bread, but I've never tried that. > Pat Ghizdavcic > Francin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know how the relatives would respond if I found them and did this. I do know that in 1993, one of the younger cousins wrote to my mom and wanted to come to the US and wanted Mom to sponsor her, husband, and her young child and said how much money they needed to have in pocket before they could come here. My mom was 84 years old at the time and told them she was on a pension (she didn't have SS) as my parents never paid into it with working for the Post Office, and mom couldn't give them a place to live or pay insurance and turned them down. We weren't in a position to help and Mom lived in a retirement community and could have young people in her home. After turning them down, we never heard from them again. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie Prodan" <prodan@alltel.net> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 4:08 AM Subject: [CROATIA] sending gifts overseas in order to get photos and lettersin return > Well it's not a "riddle" it's just that's how they are. They are very > poor communicators in certain areas. I'm first generation here in the > states. :) > > I"m sorry to hear of your troubles however know that you have not > been alone...that's how some of these folks are...silly...and you > have to be MORE creative than them to get what you want, which is > just letters and photos...LOL! > > We send money orders for major holidays and certain birthdays gifts. > We have yet to receive acknologement that they get the gifts but as > sure as I'm sitting here they write a lot of letters in return so you > know that they get them. Some have communicated to us by email as > well. :) > > But we go one step further. The relatives that do say thanks for the > gifts, we send to them all the gifts we intend to give to our > remaining relatives (gifts/money orders) and ask that in return they > give us photos of opening the gifts. Sure enough that works. That's > our form of receipt. LOL! > > It's just a different culture. They love getting the gifts and money > but God forbid they'd thank you for it. > > Another idea is to send gifts by registered mail which sends us a > postcard back from Croatia post office. > I think USPS has a proper term for it. Only problem is that you have > to write on the postoffice form what you are sending. Depending on > the item the receiver may have to pay tax for it at the post office. : > ( So you have to be sort of creative in your packaging and > describing what you are actually sending. Depending on the item the > tax is really burdensome. > > Also sometimes it's been known that their post office people > (especially during the war) opened up the packages before it got to > the receiver. That was AWFUL! Money orders got lost, cd's went > missing, good clothing never delivered, etc. But as of the last 2 > years we've not had any issues other than one money order getting > lost and we got American Express to refund... > > Personal bank checks are (per my own relatives) very hard for them to > cash than money orders from, say, american express travelers checks. > Our relatives will not cash personal checks for it's a hassle over > there, so they say. Can't remember the reason but they will not cash > them, money orders (from USPS office works the best!!!) are fantastic > at least you can put their name on it. > > But money orders and/or travelers checks get cashed fast! LOL! We > call them to verify delivery and that it's actually them who've > cashed it. > > For relatives that we have not heard from awhile we sent gifts, but > what we did was to send it to relatives that are currently speaking > to us. We send them a money order to thank them and ask if they can > hand deliver the gift to our other relatives. For whatever reasons > that works and you usually get a photograph back. Then the letters > start coming. > > Start with sending a small gift to a child then work your way on > up...it's worked for us and for example my dad a few years ago got > reunited with his 80 something year old uncle who is a Monk in Italy! > LOL! Is that cool or what?! LOL! Hilarious uncle, sends us photos of > him in traditional Monk rope with sandals to boot! LOL! > > > > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Tat417761@cs.com wrote: > >> You may be wrong. A problem we frequently found is, due to lack of >> acknowledgement, we never knew whether the gift actually arrived. >> And with personal >> checks, too proud to cash them, they did not return them or tell us >> what >> happened, so we still had to carry them as expense. >> It was a riddle, probably some kind of pride while they were >> considered >> "poor" and we were of course "rich Americans". > > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 6:25:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > prodan@alltel.net writes: >> >> Send them an american express money order during a holiday or >> birthday, and/or a present from the US and I'll bet they'll start >> writing... >> Funny how "material things" tends to open people up.. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Kurt, being I am busy with Easter prep today, I will look into this starting on Monday and I will ck with the relatives in Germany as they may have the correct addresses for some of these and then I can hope that some of the younger generation writes English so I can get some where. I know the German cousins in Ettlingen speak English. Happy Easter and God bless, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" <kurtmccrary@yahoo.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Phone Directories pre-WW2? Or NUSBRUCKERBRECHAC'sandLENHOFS in the area of Vukovar Hello Margaret, I will keep my eye out for the names. There was a assitant to the Priest by the name of Paul Cacic in Sotin on the circut between about 1870-1880 but no information I could find on him. He preformed many Baptisms etc.. There are 880 Cacic's listed in the Croatian Phone book Today, 74 of them in the county of Vukovar-Srijem. 1 Krstanovic in, VoÄ'inci, 2 Kramacek in Nustar and 1 in Vinkovci, 6 Vinaj in Osijek including your Ana Vinaj in Dalj. and many Matkovic. I am sure you have this link, did you cross check the address's to make sure they haven't moved? Croation Phone book in English http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/default.asp?lang=en Jerome Buza <jeromebuza@cox.net> wrote: Kurt, Names that I have in Dalj are Marija Krstanovic, in Nustar it is Ana Kramacek, another name that I have is Krstanovic in Dalj, in Sombor, Vojvodina there is a Marija Cacic and a Brace Kunic that are cousins. I, also, found a return address for an Ana Vinaj in Osizek. All these letters are in Croatian, not German and mom had some translated and made notes, but all I have from them is first names and I can't make the connections of who belonged to who. That is why I try to write to these people, but I am getting no where. There is an Evica Matkovic in Split, too. So, I get in a quandry over all this. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Phone Directories pre-WW2? Or NUSBRUCKER BRECHAC'sandLENHOFS in the area of Vukovar Hello Margaret, Whats there names Margaret? What families do you have in Nustar and Vukovar area? Best regards Kurt Jerome Buza wrote: Hi Kurt, I always read you emails with interest being we think that our families knew each other either because of my Apatin roots or my Dalj roots. Margaret You mention Nustar and I have a cousin that lives in Nustar, but I get no replies when I write. I would be interested in a phone book listing, too. I know that she used to live on K. Tomislava (?) 10 at 56221 Nustar. They were still writing Jugoslvaja on their letters when they wrote to my mom and I have this in her things. I haven't found the other addresses yet except of Dalj. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [CROATIA] Phone Directories pre-WW2? Or NUSBRUCKER BRECHAC's andLENHOFS in the area of Vukovar Hello List, A couple questions............... Are there any Phone Directories pre-WW2 for the area of Vukovar or Vinkovci. Some of my family members like the Letts, Nussbruckers, Kalauners and Aments lived in Sotin, Tompojevci and Lovas, then families moved westward and lived in Villages of Nustar, Vinkovci, Andrijasevci and Retkovci and Southward to Tovarnik. I would like to see were they lived before WW2. Also looking for "any" information on the LENHOF's of the same area, Josef LENHOF b. about 1859 of Sotin is said to have married my Great Aunt Magdalena, b. January 21, 1878 Sotin. LENHOF's Second wife is believed to be Elizabeth See below.............. Also does anyone know the real name of the village of Vadcira? Vadcara? Vaderia? or Bacs UJLAR? Thank You Best regards Kurt NUSSBRUCKER ------------------------- Anton NUSSBRUCKER II m.2nd on 13-02-1849, Klara ABT ; b. 29-07-1830, dau. of Johann ABT and Elisabeth CZEL Children: 1)Johann (Ivan) NUSBRUCKER b. 3-10-1849 Kata STAMPFER of Sotin. 2)Maria NUSBRUCKER b.13-090-1851, d. 17-03-1856 3)Christina NUSBRUCKER b. 22-07-1853 4)Agatha NUSBRUCKER b. Novoselo 26-09-1855 m. in Sotin, June (Lipanj) 4, 1882 Karl TROUL of Lovas b.about 1858 in Tompojevci 5)Rosalia NUSBRUCKER b. 17-03-1858 Novoselo (Neudorf) m. Anton AMENT of Sotin. 6)Maria NUSBRUCKER b. 01-11-1859, d. 01-11-1859 7)Elisabeth NUSBRUCKER b.06-11-1860 8)George NUSBRUCKER b.7-06-1863 9)Anna NUSBRUCKER b.13 05-1866, d. 23-08-1867 10) Joseph NUSBRUCKER b. March 1, 1969 in Sotin m. Magdalena UNKNOWN lived Vukovar, moved to Andrijasevci, near Vinkovci (Also came to the USA). -------------------------------------------------------- Josef NUSSBRUCKER was born in Sotin about 1869 and moved to Andrijasevci in about 1905. He came to the USA in 1902 and 1907, (spelled his name Nusbricker in 1907) When he came in 1902 so did his wife Magdalena "Nussbruecker" It is not known if he stayed but probably returned to Andrijasevci near Vinkovci, Croatia. ================== Nussbr�cker Cousins? ================== A likely NUSSBRUCKER Cousin is Franz "Musobruckar" NUSSBRUCKER was born in Baca Novo Selo, Yugoslavia about 1905 According to ELLIS ISLAND, came to the USA in 1921 his father was Daniel NUSSBRUCKER of Nowa selo, Batschka. Francz went to live with his Aunt Marie MELZDER 1063 Macland, Youngstown, OH There was a Frank Mosbrucker living in Arizona in about 1960's but we don't know if this is the same man. -------------------------------------------------------------- Family of Josef Lenhof ----------------=================== Joseph LEHNHOF seemed to go back and forth from Croatia to USA, between 1902 and 1920? he was friends or family of the AMENT's, WILLIG's BRECHACK's and the HOFFMANS went to Sharon PA. Then to Dayton, Ohio. We don't know if he died in Ohio or Croatia? I think he was in the 1920 Census, working or resident of a Hospital in OH. Josef LENHOF) lived in Youngstown,PA area. There is a record on the ship manifest "Argintina" for LEHNHOF, Josef age 50, arr March 26, 1909 from Setin (sic /SOTIN) had been in Youngstown 1901 to 1907. Josef LEHNHOF looks like he had cataract in left eye b'place Sotin he was traveling with 2 younger WILLING children , The children: Stefan 13 and Maria 16 yrs, destination "Aultman" Stark County, OH (Aultman (ghost town north of Canton south of Akron,) In 1914........... Lenhof, Josef of Vaderia, Hungary age 58 b. About 1856 arrived 1914 Ellis Island, b. Bacs UJLAR? went to Dayton Ohio as Parent of Johann Brechak person in old country Elizabeth LENHOF Vadcira? Vadcara? Vaderia? Elesabeth LENHOF of German descent came to America b. Sotin on the ship Nieuw Amsterdam, in 1920 age 64, she was the wife of Josef LENHOF he lived on Hughs street, Dayton Ohio She had blond hair and blue eyes 5'3 and traveled with a med cert. Was residing in Vucovocs (Vukovar) I wonder if this Elizabeth could also be "Magdalena"? Or could this be his second wife? ---------------------------- LEHNHOF NUSSBRUCKER / AMENT connection ============================ There is a ship manifest for Anton AMENT ethnic Hungary, German; ship La Bretagne from France; arr at Ellis IS. Jan. 3, 1910 (about 9 months after Joseph LENHOFs arrival in 1909), destination to brother in law, Josef LEHNOF in Sharon PA birthplace Sotin, age 25, above his occupation column there are numbers which were most likely his citizenship court record wife Rosina. His Brother in Law, Josef LENHOF address is 905 or 105. 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Vicky, My Croatian grandmother Kate Ilic was from Gospic, Lika, Croatia. Her mother was a Butkovic, and I assume from Gospic also. Maybe we're cousins? Where is Mrkopalj? Is is in Lika? Edith "Edie" Sando ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicky Malin" <vsmalin@msn.com> To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs > We will dye the eggs this evening also. They will be served with green > onions on Easter Sunday as grandma always said that "If you eat green > onions > on Easter Sunday morning, you won't see a snake all year!" I'm not sure > it > really works that way, but we've always done it and it gets a laugh! > My grandfather, Butkovich was from Mrkopalj and Grandma was a Padovic from > Sunger. I'm always looking for "cousins" to connect. > Vicky Malin > > >>From: "John Stefanac" <jmstefanac@hotmail.com> >>Reply-To: croatia@rootsweb.com >>To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: Re: [CROATIA] about those eggs >>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:33:35 +0800 >> >>Just came back from painting the Easter Eggs. Like Ashley, I grew up >>painting the eggs on Saturday evening. Here in Singapore it is Saturday >>evening now so we keep that tradition alive in our family. >> >>And Ashley, try as we might, we still haven't been able to find a >>connection >>between my mother also from Mrkopalj and your family. >> >>Sretan Uskrs >> >>John >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ashley Tiwara" <grubisicx@sbcglobal.net> >>To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:06 AM >>Subject: [CROATIA] about those eggs >> >> >> > Somehow, Grandma and I always ended up dying the Uskers eggs on >> > Saturday, probably about the same time the zeludac was boiling. She's >> > much on my mind tonight as I bought the zeludac ingredients this >> > afternoon and then got home too tired to mix it up. Late years I've >> > been sewing muslin bags to boil it in, as it's very hard to find pig >> > intestines without a lot of driving, and the muslin is actually easier >> > to stuff since I make them 3 or 4 inches across. >> > >> > Grandma was a PETROVICH and BLAZEVICH from Sunger / Merkopalj, in the >> > hills above Rijeka. Grandpa was a GRUBISIC / TOMICH from the same >> > small village. Anybody out there who might be a cousin? >> > >> > Sretan Uskers, >> > Ashley >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Say what you will, but thier bad language was much more colorful than the Anglo "!@#$% You" that we so often hear. The one my Diedo used most often literally translated to "Your mother spent time with the devil and you are the result." But it sounds so much more eloquent and nasty in Croatian. -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Karcich <joekar@si.rr.com> >Sent: Apr 6, 2007 4:40 PM >To: croatia@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CROATIA] traffic is heavy > >My grandfather had a few choice words that almost defy translation.Repeating >them would aways get me a mouth full of soap.I could never understand what >the big deal it was until years later when my father attempted to translate >for me! Soap was a light punishment. Nono was from Unija. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> >To: <croatia@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 7:03 PM >Subject: Re: [CROATIA] traffic is heavy > > >> Hi Patty, >> >> Well I must tell you that as a young boy I spent much time with my >> Grandparents on their farm in PA... and for many years I would repeat what >> my Grandfather said when he was upset with his horses (later it was a >> tractor)... I used this once when helping my Bosnian German friends on >> their farm here in OH they looked at me as if they had seen a ghost... >> they asked if I knew what this meant... and I said "no, but in light of >> the fact that I was trying to fix their #$^%&^^&* hay bailer I felt it >> appropriate" When they told me what it meant.... well, I haven't used it >> since then... and to imagine my dear Grandfather said grace at each meal ! >> Live and learn... >> >> Robert >> "Reuter, Patty" <patty.reuter@highlandbanks.com> wrote: >> Sorry. I was unaware. This is now the only bad word I know in Croatian. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Don Marinkovich >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:23 PM >> To: croatia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] traffic is heavy >> >> >> I hated to say anything, but, tyou can't let the kid go on talking like >> that. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Jerin" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] traffic is heavy >> >> >>> Paty, >>> >>> Yes using wax is a more recent method but the oldest method was using >>> onion skins and etching the design into the dye, exposing the lighter >>> color of the shell. >>> >>> The tool is sometimes called a kiska.... pitchka (pic"ka) is a bad word >>> at least in Croatian... but in Russian it is a little bird... >>> >>> Croatians call these eggs pisanica Ukraine is Pysanky >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Easter-Egg-Croatian-Hrvatska-Pisanica-Turkey-Egg-rmb_W0QQitemZ200096054773QQcategoryZ70975QQcmdZViewItem >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> "Reuter, Patty" >> wrote: >>> We do our eggs with bees wax and a pitchka. We dye them several different >>> colors and then remove the beeswax and cover them with varnish. I think >>> the word is Prisanice. Everyone I know calls them Ukranian. >>> >>> Many Blessings to all this Easter! >>> >>> Patty >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:croatia-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Robert Jerin >>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:02 PM >>> To: croatia@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] traffic is heavy >>> >>> >>> And once the eggs are dyed (traditional easter eggs were dyed raw without >>> draining the yolk out... this was considered life and would never have >>> been removed)... then you need to take a pin and etch a design into the >>> color... crosses, tree of life, Croatian Grbs are commonly seen here in >>> Cleveland. >>> >>> Sretan Uskrs >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Jerome Buza wrote: >>> That is true Tony, I received a blessing to learn so much from all the >>> people that write on theses lists. Today I am dying our Easter eggs in >>> Onion Skins and they turned out a beautiful copper color. Now I will make >>> our "Angel Wings" or "torn pants", in Polish they are crustiki, and I >>> will >>> prepare our Easter basket of sausages, eggs, a butter lamb, and other >>> goodies to be blessed at church tomorrow and Eaten on Easter Sunday. >>> >>> Happy Easter to all of you. >>> God bless, Margaret >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "tony zugay" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:59 AM >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] traffic is heavy >>> >>> >>>> You got an Easter blessing. >>>> Tony >>>> On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Jerome Buza wrote: >>>> >>>>> A week or so ago, some one wrote and wondered where everyone was and >>>>> it was >>>>> suggested that people gave up their computers for Lent. In the past 3 >>>>> or 4 >>>>> days, I can't keep up with the mail. 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Does anyone have a sure-proof recipe for Easter bread? My recipes (with a pinch of this and a jigger of that) just never tuirn out very good. They usually look like unleaven bread (but they do taste pretty good with great anise flavor). But I do try to shape them in three sections like a bishop's hat. My grandmother also used to put a whole egg with shell in the bread, but I've never tried that. Pat Ghizdavcic Francin

Robert, Thanks and the same to you and your family. Yesterday Georgia made "Gibanica" for the first time in her baking career. I was the coach who told her how my mom stretched the dough. That was always a Good Friday meal along with soup. Tomorrow we roast Lamb again. Tony On Apr 6, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Robert Jerin wrote: > Tony, > > Happy Easter to you and Georgia > > Robert > > tony zugay <tozug@satx.rr.com> wrote: > You got an Easter blessing. > Tony > On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Jerome Buza wrote: > >> A week or so ago, some one wrote and wondered where everyone was and >> it was >> suggested that people gave up their computers for Lent. In the past 3 >> or 4 >> days, I can't keep up with the mail. On this account alone, between >> the two >> sites that I subscribe too because of my Grandparents families, I now >> have >> 127 emails to read. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/jerin2007.pdf > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wow! Well all I can say is that we send them to our relatives in Istria and they have no issues in cashing them in for the full amount. I don't know what to tell you other than what they share with us as their experiences. KWIM? :) Per relatives in Italy and Germany they prefer us to send only USPS money orders. Those clear without any effort, so they share. They don't want any other form of money order but those coming from US Postal Service. You know best, I'm just sharing experiences that have worked with my relatives and what they specifically ask for. :) Thanks for the tip should I travel elsewhere! :) On Apr 7, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Robert Jerin wrote: American Express Travlers Cheques? That is typically a bad idea, having traveled to Croatia 4 times I can atest to the fact they are practically worthless! Perhaps for locals who have a bank it may be easier but we did not find one bank that would accept them 2 years ago on our trip when on lady tried to use them. Even Travel Agencies will tell you not to take Travelers Cheques. The best thing is a Money Order or you can wire money by Western Union. Robert

Well it's not a "riddle" it's just that's how they are. They are very poor communicators in certain areas. I'm first generation here in the states. :) I"m sorry to hear of your troubles however know that you have not been alone...that's how some of these folks are...silly...and you have to be MORE creative than them to get what you want, which is just letters and photos...LOL! We send money orders for major holidays and certain birthdays gifts. We have yet to receive acknologement that they get the gifts but as sure as I'm sitting here they write a lot of letters in return so you know that they get them. Some have communicated to us by email as well. :) But we go one step further. The relatives that do say thanks for the gifts, we send to them all the gifts we intend to give to our remaining relatives (gifts/money orders) and ask that in return they give us photos of opening the gifts. Sure enough that works. That's our form of receipt. LOL! It's just a different culture. They love getting the gifts and money but God forbid they'd thank you for it. Another idea is to send gifts by registered mail which sends us a postcard back from Croatia post office. I think USPS has a proper term for it. Only problem is that you have to write on the postoffice form what you are sending. Depending on the item the receiver may have to pay tax for it at the post office. : ( So you have to be sort of creative in your packaging and describing what you are actually sending. Depending on the item the tax is really burdensome. Also sometimes it's been known that their post office people (especially during the war) opened up the packages before it got to the receiver. That was AWFUL! Money orders got lost, cd's went missing, good clothing never delivered, etc. But as of the last 2 years we've not had any issues other than one money order getting lost and we got American Express to refund... Personal bank checks are (per my own relatives) very hard for them to cash than money orders from, say, american express travelers checks. Our relatives will not cash personal checks for it's a hassle over there, so they say. Can't remember the reason but they will not cash them, money orders (from USPS office works the best!!!) are fantastic at least you can put their name on it. But money orders and/or travelers checks get cashed fast! LOL! We call them to verify delivery and that it's actually them who've cashed it. For relatives that we have not heard from awhile we sent gifts, but what we did was to send it to relatives that are currently speaking to us. We send them a money order to thank them and ask if they can hand deliver the gift to our other relatives. For whatever reasons that works and you usually get a photograph back. Then the letters start coming. Start with sending a small gift to a child then work your way on up...it's worked for us and for example my dad a few years ago got reunited with his 80 something year old uncle who is a Monk in Italy! LOL! Is that cool or what?! LOL! Hilarious uncle, sends us photos of him in traditional Monk rope with sandals to boot! LOL! On Apr 6, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Tat417761@cs.com wrote: > You may be wrong. A problem we frequently found is, due to lack of > acknowledgement, we never knew whether the gift actually arrived. > And with personal > checks, too proud to cash them, they did not return them or tell us > what > happened, so we still had to carry them as expense. > It was a riddle, probably some kind of pride while they were > considered > "poor" and we were of course "rich Americans". In a message dated 4/6/2007 6:25:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, prodan@alltel.net writes: > > Send them an american express money order during a holiday or > birthday, and/or a present from the US and I'll bet they'll start > writing... > Funny how "material things" tends to open people up..

A village is defined as a settlement of a group of houses with several families. A town is defined as a settlement with from several hundred to several thousand people. One definition says that a village has no church. And then there is the hamlet.... Robert Kurt McCrary <kurtmccrary@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Tatjana, I realized it was not a Village, but I figured at one time it was so, I thought I would get away with the terminology. Sometimes in the woods in Michigan someone says there are going to town, might mean there going to the local village party store......... But from what I understand Vinkovci is actually a city within the Municipality (Township) of Vinkovci. So Thank You for pointing that out. Town http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/town.html Township http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861721162/township.html Thats interesting..............Well no phones no phone book, another avenue shot down.........;-) Tell me did you have a address or a Post Office box? Did the postman deliver or did you have to pick up the mail? I asking I am wondering if the Post office kept a list of the residents and there address's? Thank You Kurt Tat417761@cs.com wrote: Hello Kurt, 1. Vinkovci is not a village, it is a town. It had its own hospital prior to WWI 2. The tel books probably would not help you much. Between the 2 wars even in Zagreb relatively well to do people: judges, university professors etc did not have a phone In the village (on vacation) we had to go to the post office- this was the only phone in the whole village. Since practically nobody had a phone, you did not miss it because there was nobody you could call. At times I am wondering how we managed to get appointments even dates? Tatjana. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/jerin2007.pdf

American Express Travlers Cheques? That is typically a bad idea, having traveled to Croatia 4 times I can atest to the fact they are practically worthless! Perhaps for locals who have a bank it may be easier but we did not find one bank that would accept them 2 years ago on our trip when on lady tried to use them. Even Travel Agencies will tell you not to take Travelers Cheques. The best thing is a Money Order or you can wire money by Western Union. Robert Natalie Prodan <prodan@alltel.net> wrote: Well it's not a "riddle" it's just that's how they are. They are very poor communicators in certain areas. I'm first generation here in the states. :) I"m sorry to hear of your troubles however know that you have not been alone...that's how some of these folks are...silly...and you have to be MORE creative than them to get what you want, which is just letters and photos...LOL! We send money orders for major holidays and certain birthdays gifts. We have yet to receive acknologement that they get the gifts but as sure as I'm sitting here they write a lot of letters in return so you know that they get them. Some have communicated to us by email as well. :) But we go one step further. The relatives that do say thanks for the gifts, we send to them all the gifts we intend to give to our remaining relatives (gifts/money orders) and ask that in return they give us photos of opening the gifts. Sure enough that works. That's our form of receipt. LOL! It's just a different culture. They love getting the gifts and money but God forbid they'd thank you for it. Another idea is to send gifts by registered mail which sends us a postcard back from Croatia post office. I think USPS has a proper term for it. Only problem is that you have to write on the postoffice form what you are sending. Depending on the item the receiver may have to pay tax for it at the post office. : ( So you have to be sort of creative in your packaging and describing what you are actually sending. Depending on the item the tax is really burdensome. Also sometimes it's been known that their post office people (especially during the war) opened up the packages before it got to the receiver. That was AWFUL! Money orders got lost, cd's went missing, good clothing never delivered, etc. But as of the last 2 years we've not had any issues other than one money order getting lost and we got American Express to refund... Personal bank checks are (per my own relatives) very hard for them to cash than money orders from, say, american express travelers checks. Our relatives will not cash personal checks for it's a hassle over there, so they say. Can't remember the reason but they will not cash them, money orders (from USPS office works the best!!!) are fantastic at least you can put their name on it. But money orders and/or travelers checks get cashed fast! LOL! We call them to verify delivery and that it's actually them who've cashed it. For relatives that we have not heard from awhile we sent gifts, but what we did was to send it to relatives that are currently speaking to us. We send them a money order to thank them and ask if they can hand deliver the gift to our other relatives. For whatever reasons that works and you usually get a photograph back. Then the letters start coming. Start with sending a small gift to a child then work your way on up...it's worked for us and for example my dad a few years ago got reunited with his 80 something year old uncle who is a Monk in Italy! LOL! Is that cool or what?! LOL! Hilarious uncle, sends us photos of him in traditional Monk rope with sandals to boot! LOL! On Apr 6, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Tat417761@cs.com wrote: > You may be wrong. A problem we frequently found is, due to lack of > acknowledgement, we never knew whether the gift actually arrived. > And with personal > checks, too proud to cash them, they did not return them or tell us > what > happened, so we still had to carry them as expense. > It was a riddle, probably some kind of pride while they were > considered > "poor" and we were of course "rich Americans". In a message dated 4/6/2007 6:25:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, prodan@alltel.net writes: > > Send them an american express money order during a holiday or > birthday, and/or a present from the US and I'll bet they'll start > writing... > Funny how "material things" tends to open people up.. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To learn about my October 2007 Heritage and History tour of Croatia http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/jerin2007.pdf

Hello Margaret, I will keep my eye out for the names. There was a assitant to the Priest by the name of Paul Cacic in Sotin on the circut between about 1870-1880 but no information I could find on him. He preformed many Baptisms etc.. There are 880 Cacic's listed in the Croatian Phone book Today, 74 of them in the county of Vukovar-Srijem. 1 Krstanovic in, Vođinci, 2 Kramacek in Nustar and 1 in Vinkovci, 6 Vinaj in Osijek including your Ana Vinaj in Dalj. and many Matkovic. I am sure you have this link, did you cross check the address's to make sure they haven't moved? Croation Phone book in English http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/default.asp?lang=en Jerome Buza <jeromebuza@cox.net> wrote: Kurt, Names that I have in Dalj are Marija Krstanovic, in Nustar it is Ana Kramacek, another name that I have is Krstanovic in Dalj, in Sombor, Vojvodina there is a Marija Cacic and a Brace Kunic that are cousins. I, also, found a return address for an Ana Vinaj in Osizek. All these letters are in Croatian, not German and mom had some translated and made notes, but all I have from them is first names and I can't make the connections of who belonged to who. That is why I try to write to these people, but I am getting no where. There is an Evica Matkovic in Split, too. So, I get in a quandry over all this. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA] Phone Directories pre-WW2? Or NUSBRUCKER BRECHAC'sandLENHOFS in the area of Vukovar Hello Margaret, Whats there names Margaret? What families do you have in Nustar and Vukovar area? Best regards Kurt Jerome Buza wrote: Hi Kurt, I always read you emails with interest being we think that our families knew each other either because of my Apatin roots or my Dalj roots. Margaret You mention Nustar and I have a cousin that lives in Nustar, but I get no replies when I write. I would be interested in a phone book listing, too. I know that she used to live on K. Tomislava (?) 10 at 56221 Nustar. They were still writing Jugoslvaja on their letters when they wrote to my mom and I have this in her things. I haven't found the other addresses yet except of Dalj. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [CROATIA] Phone Directories pre-WW2? Or NUSBRUCKER BRECHAC's andLENHOFS in the area of Vukovar Hello List, A couple questions............... Are there any Phone Directories pre-WW2 for the area of Vukovar or Vinkovci. Some of my family members like the Letts, Nussbruckers, Kalauners and Aments lived in Sotin, Tompojevci and Lovas, then families moved westward and lived in Villages of Nustar, Vinkovci, Andrijasevci and Retkovci and Southward to Tovarnik. I would like to see were they lived before WW2. Also looking for "any" information on the LENHOF's of the same area, Josef LENHOF b. about 1859 of Sotin is said to have married my Great Aunt Magdalena, b. January 21, 1878 Sotin. LENHOF's Second wife is believed to be Elizabeth See below.............. Also does anyone know the real name of the village of Vadcira? Vadcara? Vaderia? or Bacs UJLAR? Thank You Best regards Kurt NUSSBRUCKER ------------------------- Anton NUSSBRUCKER II m.2nd on 13-02-1849, Klara ABT ; b. 29-07-1830, dau. of Johann ABT and Elisabeth CZEL Children: 1)Johann (Ivan) NUSBRUCKER b. 3-10-1849 Kata STAMPFER of Sotin. 2)Maria NUSBRUCKER b.13-090-1851, d. 17-03-1856 3)Christina NUSBRUCKER b. 22-07-1853 4)Agatha NUSBRUCKER b. Novoselo 26-09-1855 m. in Sotin, June (Lipanj) 4, 1882 Karl TROUL of Lovas b.about 1858 in Tompojevci 5)Rosalia NUSBRUCKER b. 17-03-1858 Novoselo (Neudorf) m. Anton AMENT of Sotin. 6)Maria NUSBRUCKER b. 01-11-1859, d. 01-11-1859 7)Elisabeth NUSBRUCKER b.06-11-1860 8)George NUSBRUCKER b.7-06-1863 9)Anna NUSBRUCKER b.13 05-1866, d. 23-08-1867 10) Joseph NUSBRUCKER b. March 1, 1969 in Sotin m. Magdalena UNKNOWN lived Vukovar, moved to Andrijasevci, near Vinkovci (Also came to the USA). -------------------------------------------------------- Josef NUSSBRUCKER was born in Sotin about 1869 and moved to Andrijasevci in about 1905. He came to the USA in 1902 and 1907, (spelled his name Nusbricker in 1907) When he came in 1902 so did his wife Magdalena "Nussbruecker" It is not known if he stayed but probably returned to Andrijasevci near Vinkovci, Croatia. ================== Nussbr�cker Cousins? ================== A likely NUSSBRUCKER Cousin is Franz "Musobruckar" NUSSBRUCKER was born in Baca Novo Selo, Yugoslavia about 1905 According to ELLIS ISLAND, came to the USA in 1921 his father was Daniel NUSSBRUCKER of Nowa selo, Batschka. Francz went to live with his Aunt Marie MELZDER 1063 Macland, Youngstown, OH There was a Frank Mosbrucker living in Arizona in about 1960's but we don't know if this is the same man. -------------------------------------------------------------- Family of Josef Lenhof ----------------=================== Joseph LEHNHOF seemed to go back and forth from Croatia to USA, between 1902 and 1920? he was friends or family of the AMENT's, WILLIG's BRECHACK's and the HOFFMANS went to Sharon PA. Then to Dayton, Ohio. We don't know if he died in Ohio or Croatia? I think he was in the 1920 Census, working or resident of a Hospital in OH. Josef LENHOF) lived in Youngstown,PA area. There is a record on the ship manifest "Argintina" for LEHNHOF, Josef age 50, arr March 26, 1909 from Setin (sic /SOTIN) had been in Youngstown 1901 to 1907. Josef LEHNHOF looks like he had cataract in left eye b'place Sotin he was traveling with 2 younger WILLING children , The children: Stefan 13 and Maria 16 yrs, destination "Aultman" Stark County, OH (Aultman (ghost town north of Canton south of Akron,) In 1914........... Lenhof, Josef of Vaderia, Hungary age 58 b. About 1856 arrived 1914 Ellis Island, b. Bacs UJLAR? went to Dayton Ohio as Parent of Johann Brechak person in old country Elizabeth LENHOF Vadcira? Vadcara? Vaderia? Elesabeth LENHOF of German descent came to America b. Sotin on the ship Nieuw Amsterdam, in 1920 age 64, she was the wife of Josef LENHOF he lived on Hughs street, Dayton Ohio She had blond hair and blue eyes 5'3 and traveled with a med cert. Was residing in Vucovocs (Vukovar) I wonder if this Elizabeth could also be "Magdalena"? Or could this be his second wife? ---------------------------- LEHNHOF NUSSBRUCKER / AMENT connection ============================ There is a ship manifest for Anton AMENT ethnic Hungary, German; ship La Bretagne from France; arr at Ellis IS. Jan. 3, 1910 (about 9 months after Joseph LENHOFs arrival in 1909), destination to brother in law, Josef LEHNOF in Sharon PA birthplace Sotin, age 25, above his occupation column there are numbers which were most likely his citizenship court record wife Rosina. His Brother in Law, Josef LENHOF address is 905 or 105. Anton AMENTs sister Magdalena may have been his half sister ? or their parents hadn't married at that time. ------------------------ Magdalena's birth record: =================================================== Magdalena born January 21, 1878 baptized January 22, 1878. Illegitimate (Nezakonit) daughter of Rosalia who was the daughter of Anton NUSSBRUCKER lived HNR # 130 Sotin witness's Magdalena SKULJAK daughter (kćerka=kci) of Gjure SKULJAK and Katarina STUMPF of Sotin =================================================== --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! 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