Hi Jolie My guess is you have the right record. 20 miles out of Zagreb is close enough. I found my relatives on Ellis Island records the names may be spelt different and also I found some place names that fit sounds like category of Zrnovo (one example was Fernovo) where my family came from. I think the people recording were using there version of understanding the croatian accent. If the date and ages fit and Joseph is the english version of Josip I would assume you have the right person. Regards Tania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jolie Blanchard" <recruitingpost@yahoo.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Radosevic, Josip/1911/Lice > I may have found my Radosevic in the Ellis Island > Records. > > I know that Joseph Radosevich of Chicago was b. 1895. > Family says "he was from Zagreb and he came over when > he was 16." That would mean he came in 1911. > > Ellis Island Records shows Josip Radosevic who arrived > in 1911. He was 16 yrs, Single, from Lice. That is > the only record that approximates the Joseph I am > seeking. > > I looked up Lice in Croatia using Shtetlseeker. There > were several possibilities, none of them spelled Lice. > At least one village on the list is very near (within > 20 miles) to Zagreb, close enough to match the story > the family tells of him being from Zagreb. > > Unfortunately, the image for the Ship Manifestation is > not available. I guess that means there isn't one. > If there were, I might be able to tell if he was going > to a relative in the US and their name, and location. > > I have been unable to find any form of the first name > Joseph last name Radosevic(h) in the 1920 Soundex of > Lake Co., IN (SE Chicago) and Cook Co., IL (So. > Chicago), which are the places the family tells me he > dwelled. > > I believe Josip Radosevic arriving 1911 will be the > right person, but I'm having difficulty proving it. > Now I will go to the LDS Church records for Cook Co. > and Lake Co. to see if I can find a marriage record > for Joseph, who married Marya "Mary" Sporcic. I'm not > sure that will help me prove that I have the right > Ellis Island Record, although it would be encouraging > if his name is spelled Josip. There are no Sporcic > (any spelling) and very few Radosevich (any spelling) > in the area in 1920. I'm thinking he left Ellis > Island for Pennsylvania or Minnesota, where there are > lots and lots of both of these surnames. Came to > Chicago later.... > > Any thoughts? > > Jolie > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > >

Jolie, You can access the NYC passenger list on microfilms at the nation Archives in Washington, DC, or the Regional Archives in NYC on Varrick Street. Since you now know the ship name and date of arrival in NYC, you could also order the microfilm from your local Family History Center. By 1911 the passenger list will have a lot more information than was extracted and included in the "ellisislandrecords" website which is only an index with some key data items. Most likely it will have a brief physical description, the amount of money he had at the time, and the name and address of his destination in the U.S. among other items. Good luck. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Jolie Blanchard <recruitingpost@yahoo.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Radosevic, Josip/1911/Lice > I may have found my Radosevic in the Ellis Island > Records. > > I know that Joseph Radosevich of Chicago was b. 1895. > Family says "he was from Zagreb and he came over when > he was 16." That would mean he came in 1911. > > Ellis Island Records shows Josip Radosevic who arrived > in 1911. He was 16 yrs, Single, from Lice. That is > the only record that approximates the Joseph I am > seeking. > > I looked up Lice in Croatia using Shtetlseeker. There > were several possibilities, none of them spelled Lice. > At least one village on the list is very near (within > 20 miles) to Zagreb, close enough to match the story > the family tells of him being from Zagreb. > > Unfortunately, the image for the Ship Manifestation is > not available. I guess that means there isn't one. > If there were, I might be able to tell if he was going > to a relative in the US and their name, and location. > > I have been unable to find any form of the first name > Joseph last name Radosevic(h) in the 1920 Soundex of > Lake Co., IN (SE Chicago) and Cook Co., IL (So. > Chicago), which are the places the family tells me he > dwelled. > > I believe Josip Radosevic arriving 1911 will be the > right person, but I'm having difficulty proving it. > Now I will go to the LDS Church records for Cook Co. > and Lake Co. to see if I can find a marriage record > for Joseph, who married Marya "Mary" Sporcic. I'm not > sure that will help me prove that I have the right > Ellis Island Record, although it would be encouraging > if his name is spelled Josip. There are no Sporcic > (any spelling) and very few Radosevich (any spelling) > in the area in 1920. I'm thinking he left Ellis > Island for Pennsylvania or Minnesota, where there are > lots and lots of both of these surnames. Came to > Chicago later.... > > Any thoughts? > > Jolie > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > >

Jolie Blanchard wrote: > > I may have found my Radosevic in the Ellis Island > Records. > > I know that Joseph Radosevich of Chicago was b. 1895. > Family says "he was from Zagreb and he came over when > he was 16." That would mean he came in 1911. > > Ellis Island Records shows Josip Radosevic who arrived > in 1911. He was 16 yrs, Single, from Lice. That is > the only record that approximates the Joseph I am > seeking. So a Luka is located 22 miles SE of Zagreb. The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1857-1921) for Luka Agram megye(county)(Zagreb), Kroatien, Austria; later Luka, Varasd megye , Hungary; now Luka (Zapresic), Croatia. Since Josip was born in 1895 get the film and see if he is listed. film # 1921415 1921416 births 1890-1900 1921417 Text in Croatian. Also get from LDS-Mormons reel 1731 Volumes 3826-3827 Beginning Dates Sept. 3, 1911 port of entry NYC and review the ship's manifest for the Martha Washington passengers. You will need to get its catalog number from the FHC catalog at local LDS FHC to order.

Jolie Blanchard wrote: > > I may have found my Radosevic in the Ellis Island > Records. > > I know that Joseph Radosevich of Chicago was b. 1895. > Family says "he was from Zagreb and he came over when > he was 16." That would mean he came in 1911. > > Ellis Island Records shows Josip Radosevic who arrived > in 1911. He was 16 yrs, Single, from Lice. That is > the only record that approximates the Joseph I am > seeking. > > I looked up Lice in Croatia using Shtetlseeker. There > were several possibilities, none of them spelled Lice. > At least one village on the list is very near (within > 20 miles) to Zagreb, close enough to match the story > the family tells of him being from Zagreb. > > Unfortunately, the image for the Ship Manifestation is > not available. I guess that means there isn't one. > If there were, I might be able to tell if he was going > to a relative in the US and their name, and location. > > I have been unable to find any form of the first name > Joseph last name Radosevic(h) in the 1920 Soundex of > Lake Co., IN (SE Chicago) and Cook Co., IL (So. > Chicago), which are the places the family tells me he > dwelled. > > I believe Josip Radosevic arriving 1911 will be the > right person, but I'm having difficulty proving it. > Now I will go to the LDS Church records for Cook Co. > and Lake Co. to see if I can find a marriage record > for Joseph, who married Marya "Mary" Sporcic. I'm not > sure that will help me prove that I have the right > Ellis Island Record, although it would be encouraging > if his name is spelled Josip. There are no Sporcic > (any spelling) and very few Radosevich (any spelling) > in the area in 1920. I'm thinking he left Ellis > Island for Pennsylvania or Minnesota, where there are > lots and lots of both of these surnames. Came to > Chicago later.... > > Any thoughts? > > Jolie > I read Lic not Lice. The only Lic I know is Lic^ located 72 miles WSW of Zagreb and south of Fuz^ine in the Rijeka and Gorski Kotar region of Croatia. There were 414 surname Radosevic who emigrated to the U.S. listed in the Ellis Island Records. Most Page listing had several surnames from Lic (this was always the spelling in the Passenger Records) It must have been a well known place name. With all the Radosevic surnames leaving Lic I doubt it was located close to Zagreb because such an exodus of ' Lic '-ians would have depleted a village's inhabitants.

I may have found my Radosevic in the Ellis Island Records. I know that Joseph Radosevich of Chicago was b. 1895. Family says "he was from Zagreb and he came over when he was 16." That would mean he came in 1911. Ellis Island Records shows Josip Radosevic who arrived in 1911. He was 16 yrs, Single, from Lice. That is the only record that approximates the Joseph I am seeking. I looked up Lice in Croatia using Shtetlseeker. There were several possibilities, none of them spelled Lice. At least one village on the list is very near (within 20 miles) to Zagreb, close enough to match the story the family tells of him being from Zagreb. Unfortunately, the image for the Ship Manifestation is not available. I guess that means there isn't one. If there were, I might be able to tell if he was going to a relative in the US and their name, and location. I have been unable to find any form of the first name Joseph last name Radosevic(h) in the 1920 Soundex of Lake Co., IN (SE Chicago) and Cook Co., IL (So. Chicago), which are the places the family tells me he dwelled. I believe Josip Radosevic arriving 1911 will be the right person, but I'm having difficulty proving it. Now I will go to the LDS Church records for Cook Co. and Lake Co. to see if I can find a marriage record for Joseph, who married Marya "Mary" Sporcic. I'm not sure that will help me prove that I have the right Ellis Island Record, although it would be encouraging if his name is spelled Josip. There are no Sporcic (any spelling) and very few Radosevich (any spelling) in the area in 1920. I'm thinking he left Ellis Island for Pennsylvania or Minnesota, where there are lots and lots of both of these surnames. Came to Chicago later.... Any thoughts? Jolie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Jolie Blanchard wrote: > > Would you please provide the language breakdown for > the first names Jozo and Waclav? > > I learned that Adam Busich b. 1892 in Imotski, who I > am researching, was born Jozo, formal name after > Naturalization was Joe, but was nicknamed and called > Adam because there were several Joes in his family. > > But Jozo isn't Josip or Josif. What is Jozo? > > I also found Waclav Spilar in Chicago b. 1874 in > Chicago. His father is John Spilar b. 1845 in > Bohemia. Mother Caterine b. 1845 Bohemia. > > Thanks. > Jolie Joze is Joe in Slovenian. Think Jozo may be Joe in Bosnian ? First name Wenceslaus (E) is Vaclav in Czech and Vencel in Hungarian and Waclaw in Polish. In Hungarian and Czech/Slovak the letter W is used only in foreign words. While the letter V is pron. W. In German and Polish the letter W is pron. V.

Hi Jolie, I can't really answer your question but I thought I might point out. I have an Uncle Bozo which is pronounced Bocho so maybe Jozo is Jocho or maybe even Yocho . These people on here are great I'm sure someone knows. Michelle

Would you please provide the language breakdown for the first names Jozo and Waclav? I learned that Adam Busich b. 1892 in Imotski, who I am researching, was born Jozo, formal name after Naturalization was Joe, but was nicknamed and called Adam because there were several Joes in his family. But Jozo isn't Josip or Josif. What is Jozo? I also found Waclav Spilar in Chicago b. 1874 in Chicago. His father is John Spilar b. 1845 in Bohemia. Mother Caterine b. 1845 Bohemia. Thanks. Jolie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Evo or Ivo is Ivan in English for those I know. Regards Tania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Robinson" <paintinlady@home.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] language at the archives > Funny Petrus was mention that's the name of the boy I used to be a nanny > for, He's 1/2 Swedish I thought it was a horrible name. One I didn't > see Powell was my great uncles name after 10 years in the US it became > Paul. Thanks for the update , I saw a lot of relatives names Included. > Is there a English equivalent to EVO ? > Michelle > >

Jolie, I have been at the site many times over the last few days and had no problems........grayce Shtetlseeker > > For several days I have been unable to access the > shtetlseeker site at www.jewishgen.com/shtetlseeker. > Is it possible the site is down this long. I hope the > server it was on was not in the vicinity of the WTC. > Is anyone else having difficulty with that site? > > Thanks, > Jolie > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > >

Jolie Blanchard wrote: > > For several days I have been unable to access the > shtetlseeker site at www.jewishgen.com/shtetlseeker. > Is it possible the site is down this long. I hope the > server it was on was not in the vicinity of the WTC. > Is anyone else having difficulty with that site? > > Thanks, > Jolie > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com I just accessed the Web site Shtetlseeker => Sunday 23 September 2001. Believe JewishGen HQ is located in Texas ? Sometimes you can't access the site on weekends on their Sabbath. Jewish holiday Rash Hashanah was last week. Yom Kuppur begins 26 September 2001. v Frank Kurcina

Funny Petrus was mention that's the name of the boy I used to be a nanny for, He's 1/2 Swedish I thought it was a horrible name. One I didn't see Powell was my great uncles name after 10 years in the US it became Paul. Thanks for the update , I saw a lot of relatives names Included. Is there a English equivalent to EVO ? Michelle

For several days I have been unable to access the shtetlseeker site at www.jewishgen.com/shtetlseeker. Is it possible the site is down this long. I hope the server it was on was not in the vicinity of the WTC. Is anyone else having difficulty with that site? Thanks, Jolie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

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Excellent just excellent. Like going to class, I love it.........grayce > From: Frank Kurchina <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > Reply-To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:54:49 -0600 > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] language at the archives #2 > Resent-From: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:56:18 -0600 > > > > grayce ezarik wrote: >> > >> >> Vjekoslav _________ in >> Croatian > > > Vjekoslav (m) is probably a version of West Slavic Weceslaus/Vaclav > using > South Slavic spelling. > Vyacheslav in Russian. > > Miroslav (m) Croatian, Czech and Russian ; "great glory" from Slavic > meri > "great, famous" and slav "glory". > >

grayce ezarik wrote: > > > Vjekoslav _________ in > Croatian Vjekoslav (m) is probably a version of West Slavic Weceslaus/Vaclav using South Slavic spelling. Vyacheslav in Russian. Miroslav (m) Croatian, Czech and Russian ; "great glory" from Slavic meri "great, famous" and slav "glory".

grayce ezarik wrote: > > I would like to submit some names mainly to find what language and if I > deciphered the English name correctly. I feel like a dummy. > > Tomo last name ends with ich Thomas in Latin?? > > Joanes ich John in Latin ?? > > Petrus ich Peter in Latin ?? > > Janko ic John in Croatian ?? > > Mirko ic Mark ?? in Croatian > > Mihajel ic Michael ?? in > Croatian > > Mathias ich Matthew ?? in Latin > > Vjekoslav _________ in > Croatian > > Kreso ic __________in Croatian > > How am I doing??.........grayce Thomas (E) Thomas (L) Thomas (G) Tamás (H) Tomaz (Sl) Tomo (C) Peter (E) Petrus (L) Peter (G) Péter (H) Petar (C) John (E) Joannes (L) Johann (G) János (H) Janko (C) Michael (E) Michael (L) Michael (G) Mihály (H) Mihael (Sl) Mihajlo (C) Matthew (E) Matthaeus (L) Mattaus (G) Máté (H) Matija/Matij/Mato/Matko/Mateo/Matan/Mate from Matej (C) Matthias (E) Matthias (L) Matthias (G) Mátyás (H) Mirko is Croatian diminutive for Miroslav/Milan ? Marko is Mark (E) Marcus (L) Vjekoslav (C) equivalent ? Kreso is Croatian diminutive for Kresimir. Casimir (E)

This may not be an accurate explanation of problems but I will try. an abstract would be better::::: virus or worm called WS32.nimda. This worm has affected Internet performance throughout the world. One of the affected areas is the speed at which you are able to access the Internet. These speeds greatly affect the web pages you are trying to access. Not being able to pull pages which results in time out errors is a consequence of this worm. The worm has infected computers around the world. We do not know when the problems will subside, but we do believe that the infection rate has peaked. For more information on the worm, please go to www.symantec.com. This from my internet co...........grayce > Frank, > > Thank you for the URL on folklore but I cannot seem to bring it up. Any > suggestions? > > Dick Puz > >

I would like to submit some names mainly to find what language and if I deciphered the English name correctly. I feel like a dummy. Tomo last name ends with ich Thomas in Latin?? Joanes ich John in Latin ?? Petrus ich Peter in Latin ?? Janko ic John in Croatian ?? Mirko ic Mark ?? in Croatian Mihajel ic Michael ?? in Croatian Mathias ich Matthew ?? in Latin Vjekoslav _________ in Croatian Kreso ic __________in Croatian How am I doing??.........grayce

Frank, Thank you for the URL on folklore but I cannot seem to bring it up. Any suggestions? Dick Puz