If anyone is interested in looking up records for the island of Cres 1700-1800 timeframe and you live in the Sacramento area email me and I will give you the particulars. Ellie

Ella wrote: > I just want to suggest that if you are able go to the LDS FHC nearest > you and > request the microfilm. It will be easier to find and peruse. > > Could someone, please list that microfilm number again, please. > > Ella Microfilm # 1183588 from FHL/LDS Church.

Here's another great one from that same list. ==== fwd ==== An open letter to terrorists and those who harbor and support you. >From an American Grandfather. I am told by the leaders of my government that you are intelligent people. In light of your actions, I am having growing difficulty believing that. At the very least, it has become increasingly obvious that you lack a fundamental comprehension of my psychology as an American. I hear on our news broadcasts that your rage is fueled by my support of Israel. It has never been about nationality or religious faith - never about Jew vs. Arab. I thought you would finally have understood that when I sent my children into harms way in order to protect the innocent citizens of Arab Kuwait from the savage wolf who would devour them for his own gain. It has everything to do with the lessons taught to me by my father - and his before him for many generations before the white man came to this land we call America. I have a vivid memory of coming home, as a boy of about nine years of age, and telling my father of feeling helpless horror as I watched the neighborhood bully unmercifully torment a boy even smaller than myself. My father reflected for a long moment, then quietly inquired of me as to what I had done about it. I said that I had watched until it was over and had then come home. The look in his eyes penetrated me to my core for he had never looked at me in that way before. He said that he was deeply ashamed of me and he sent me to my room with instructions to think about what had happened. It seemed hours before he came to my door. He sat beside me on my bed and, for a painfully long while, he said nothing. When finally he spoke, he explained, “There will always be among us dishonorable men who are devoid of humanity and compassion. They are but naked animals and an empty shell of what truly is a man. They attempt to fill their emptiness by the exercise of power over others, thinking that it makes them whole men. Often they are enraged that they do not even understand their own emptiness, what it is that they lack. When these men are also cowards, they disguise themselves as sheep among the flock and attack from the shadows. This is the vilest form of subhuman behavior for even animals attack openly when they must attack. When humanity and integrity are present in a man, he expresses them as compassion. When compassion and strength achieve perfect balance within a man, they manifest as wisdom. The compassionate man feels the pain of others. The wise man protects others from pain. For, if you watch and do nothing to protect others, who will come to your aide when you alone remain and the bully comes for you? Some things are far more important than your personal safety and freedom from pain. If ever again you see someone being hurt, protect him, even if you are certain to be injured in the process. Then I will know that I have truly raised a man. Anyone who understands the impact of this lesson - and how deeply it runs in he man I have become, will understand my unflinching willingness to sacrifice my children in defense of Arab and Jew alike when they are threatened by the bullies and cowards of the world. And please do not insult my intelligence with claims of Jewish treatment of Palestinians. I am old enough to retain vivid memories of 1948. I remember the excitement of the Jews over the prospect of governing “with” them. Their reaction, and that of their neighbors, was to attempt to finish what the Nazis could not - Repeatedly Intelligent men? I, for one, am stunned by the monumental stupidity of your arrogance. Did you actually think that only Americans would occupy the World Trade Center? You have but fired the first pitiful salvo of World War III for the entire world is now preparing to come after you, your host, your financiers and your supporters. And please, do not listen to what I say. You would do far better to watch the sky. I must say that I owe you a profound debt of gratitude. Not for what you have done or what you have unleashed upon the world, but for what you have accomplished. For not one among us could have accomplished it. On Monday, September 10, 2001, we were a divisive, apathetic nation. Our young people had nothing by which to identify with our history or heritage; our people were divided by factions of religion and skin color; our government was polarized and paralyzed by political party affiliation, able to agree upon nothing; the military had difficulty obtaining volunteers and most of us simply changed TV channels in response to Red Cross pleas for blood donations. Your actions have changed all of that in a way that has occurred only twice before in the history of this nation - once in 1776 and again on December 7, 1941. The worst in the worst of Allah's children has brought out the best in the best of Allah's children and, for this, I thank you. Since your cowardly act, Muslim, Jew, Christian, black, white, yellow and brown have stood shoulder to shoulder for hours in the hot sun to donate blood for the injured. Our government has suddenly become totally united in its purpose. Our military is having difficulty handling the flood of volunteers from among our young people. Our flag makers report that there is no way humanly possible that they can keep up with the demand - shipments are sold out within minutes. You have accomplished a miracle that only God could have anticipated. And, it would seem, the hand of God was present even in the date that you selected for your attack, for you could not have chosen a date more in keeping with a reawakening of American pride and purpose. There is in America a nationwide system for seeking help in times of emergency. Every American knows that, when threatened, he can pick up any telephone and dial 911 and help is immediately on the way to assist and protect him. By selecting September, (our 9th month), 11, 2001 to exhibit your cowardice, you unwittingly placed a 911 call that has brought all of America together in a way that brings tears of joy and pride to my eyes. No longer is our battle cry, “Remember Pearl Harbor!” Thanks to you and your kind it will now and forevermore be, “Remember 911!” whenever the innocents of any nation find themselves threatened by cowards with guns. I do not, for a moment, deny that you hurt me. Far too many parents and children now go to bed wondering where their loved ones are. And, yes, I am momentarily reeling. But it is from the sudden realization that I share the planet with anyone capable of such an atrocity against the humanity of so many nations. In his Inaugural Address in Washington, D.C. on January 20, 1961, President John F. Kennedy said, “Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” He was talking about the liberty of all men, of all faiths, of all nations. You need to understand that the truth of that statement is the very fabric of who and what I am. I wish neither to rule nor to inflict injury upon the innocents of any nation. I am the lion who sleeps with Gods lambs to protect them from ravenous wolves that would devour them. Your 911 call has awakened the lion and now I hunger for the flesh of wolves. In closing let me state, Muhammad taught that Allah is a God of love - yet you have the unmitigated gall to bastardize Islam to suit your own personal, unholy agenda. Who now is the infidel? Sincerely, The Reverend Charles Stanley Hertford, North Carolina, USA *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- *******~~~~~~~~~~~ *******~~~~~~~~~~~ *******~~~~~~~~~~~ *******~~~~~~~~~~~ United We Stand God Bless America ***** De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Jesus, A Never Ending Friend "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" Beannachtai agus Siochain

I just want to suggest that if you are able go to the LDS FHC nearest you and request the microfilm. It will be easier to find and peruse. Could someone, please list that microfilm number again, please. Ella

Leksik Prezinena Socijalisticke Republike Hrvatske (Urednici Valentin Putanec, Petar Simunovic) Zagreb: Institut Za Jezik, 1976. -- xiv, 772 p. Yes I too have searched at our state library/local libraries here in Sydney Australia and have been unable to find it listed either so if some kind soul reads this and wouldnt mind doing a lookup I would appreciate it. The names I'm interested in are Devcic Dosen Pavicic Tomljenovic >From Lukovo Sugarje, Devcic Draga, Krizab, Alan areas Thanking you in advance.

I should have mentioned that the Leksik doesn't list individuals, just surnames and their frequency and places of occurrence, and numbers of households. Sorry if my post was ambiguous or misleading... Joe ----- At 07:53 PM 10/10/01 -0400, RPETER8370@aol.com wrote: >In connection with the message from Joe Staugaitis dated October 8, 2001, I >have been unable to locate a copy of the following publication in my local >public libraries: > > Leksik Prezinena Socijalisticke Republike Hrvatske > > (Urednici Valentin Putanec, Petar Simunovic) > > Zagreb: Institut Za Jezik, 1976. -- xiv, 772 p. > >Hence, I would greatly appreciate a look up by some kind soul in the above >indicated publication of the following individual: > > Birth Name: JAKE SCARAVICH > > Date of Birth: May 10, 1878 > > Place of Birth: Rejika, Croatia (Possibly) > >PLEASE NOTE: The above birth name of SCARAVICH has been spelled in various >manners on differing documents. > >Your cooperation and assistance will be greatly appreciated. > >And, many thanks for your time and efforts. > >Robert Peterson >e-mail address: rpeter8370@AOL.com >

>From the census info which I have for my surnames this is what you will find.. one the surname, then every town and county that someone with the surname resides in ( note this could be very man places) it doesn't list by surname, then given name etc., -third, it lists the number of people with that surname. Last it lists the number of families/households with that name. here is an example using my surname Matkovic every place from Andigola (Cazma) to Zrnovnica (Split) is listed.Literally hundred of villages with 1 -150 people listed. Example of that: town county people households Kucine (Split) 150 (30) Mrkopalj (Delnice) 42 (11) To ask someone else to look up multiple surnames or even do a look up if they don't have the information is a daunting task. To either find the book, have the book delivered or look up the microfilms at LDS would be quicker and more practical. If anyone is looking for the 1948 Matkovic, Bakic or Vuksic surname information, I will share that with them by scanning and sending it as an attachment. Otherwise it might be best and more reliable to do the work on your own if possible. Dave Maryanne Lawrie wrote: > Leksik Prezinena Socijalisticke Republike Hrvatske > (Urednici Valentin Putanec, Petar Simunovic) > Zagreb: Institut Za Jezik, 1976. -- xiv, 772 p. > > Yes I too have searched at our state library/local libraries here in Sydney > Australia and have been unable to find it listed either so if some kind soul > reads this and wouldnt mind doing a lookup I would appreciate it. > > The names I'm interested in are > > Devcic > Dosen > Pavicic > Tomljenovic > > >From Lukovo Sugarje, Devcic Draga, Krizab, Alan areas > > Thanking you in advance.

I just want to suggest that if you are able go to the LDS FHC nearest you and request the microfilm. It will be easier to find and peruse. Dave Maryanne Lawrie wrote: > Leksik Prezinena Socijalisticke Republike Hrvatske > (Urednici Valentin Putanec, Petar Simunovic) > Zagreb: Institut Za Jezik, 1976. -- xiv, 772 p. > > Yes I too have searched at our state library/local libraries here in Sydney > Australia and have been unable to find it listed either so if some kind soul > reads this and wouldnt mind doing a lookup I would appreciate it. > > The names I'm interested in are > > Devcic > Dosen > Pavicic > Tomljenovic > > >From Lukovo Sugarje, Devcic Draga, Krizab, Alan areas > > Thanking you in advance.

In connection with the message from Joe Staugaitis dated October 8, 2001, I have been unable to locate a copy of the following publication in my local public libraries: Leksik Prezinena Socijalisticke Republike Hrvatske (Urednici Valentin Putanec, Petar Simunovic) Zagreb: Institut Za Jezik, 1976. -- xiv, 772 p. Hence, I would greatly appreciate a look up by some kind soul in the above indicated publication of the following individual: Birth Name: JAKE SCARAVICH Date of Birth: May 10, 1878 Place of Birth: Rejika, Croatia (Possibly) PLEASE NOTE: The above birth name of SCARAVICH has been spelled in various manners on differing documents. Your cooperation and assistance will be greatly appreciated. And, many thanks for your time and efforts. Robert Peterson e-mail address: rpeter8370@AOL.com

Katherine, My great-grandparents were Chors. They came from Bribir Premora (Premora means by the water) I grew up in Anaconda, Montana. I am just on my way out of town and won't be back home until Monday night. Next week, I will gather my notes and genealogy sheets and let you know what I have. This is great and I am excited. Where do you live? Sharon wren@mstar2.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Kurchina <frankur@worldnet.att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Grandfather from Bribir > > > Katherine Douglass wrote: > > > > My father was born in Bribir - (not sure which one) Ivan Cor, son of Mirko > > Cor and Dragutina Pozarich. Is anyone researching these names? The Cor > > name was changed here in the US to Chor. I know of a huge Chor Croatian > > population in Montana and believe that there are cousins there. But I think > > I may have to work a little harder to connect. If anyone has any info would > > love to hear from you. > > Katherine. > > Don't know your surnames. > > The Croatian telephone directory lists under Rijeka's county : > > 87 surname C^or including 14 surnames listed under Bribir. > > 15 surname Poz^aric' including 3 surnames listed under Bribir. > > Two Croatian characters (letters) " c " employ diacritic-accent > marks (i.e. caret, caron, hac^ek, or strés^ica) > Croatia formalized their alphabet about 1850 with the introduction > of a diacritical system. > Just two of its diacritical letters are described below. > v > c pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-urch. > > c' pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-eap. > > The angular c' is used when c is the last letter in a Croatian surname. > > > ---------- > > >From: Frank Kurchina <frankur@att.net> > > >To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: Grandfather from Bribir > > >Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2001, 12:32 AM > > > > > > > > There are two Bribir located in Croatia. > > > > > > Bribir located 74 miles SW of Zagreb in the Rijeka region. > > > > > > Bribir located 130 miles south of Zagreb in the S^ibenik region. > > > > > > The Croatian telephone directory lists 14 surnames Strizic' under Bribir > > > and Rijeka. > > > > >

I found "Leksik Prezimena Socijalisticke Republike Hrvatske" on microfilm # 1183588 at the FHL/LDS Church. Also Book # is 949.72D4h. Microfilm the best way to go. David Mothkovich wrote: > Joe just wanted to say thanks for the information... I didn't know how it was > found, and now that I do, I can use it more extensively in the future if need > be. > Dave > > Joe Staugaitis wrote: > > > You can see the results of the 1947 census in a book listing all Croatian > > surnames reported in the census, including variants and mispellings. The > > book presents the surnames in alphabetical order, with the name of each > > village the surname occurs in, and how many in that village had the surname > > at the time of the census. The book is: > > > > Leksik prezimena Socijalisticke Republike Hrvatske > > (urednici Valentin Putanec, Petar Simunovic) > > Zagreb: Institut za jezik, 1976. -- xiv, 772 p. > > > > It is available at many large libraries, and certainly in some university > > libraries. I know it is at the NY Public Library at 5th and 42nd as well > > as at UCLA and I believe in Toronto. If you can't find it at your closest > > municipal or university library, maybe posting your lookup request on this > > list or on the <soc.genealogy.slavic> newsgroup will result in some kind > > soul with access to it making the lookup... > > > > Joe > > ----- > > At 12:01 PM 10/6/01 -0400, PUZEXPRESS@aol.com wrote: > > >I saw the mention of a 1948 Croatian census. Can you tell me what it > > covered > > >and how to access it. Thanks. > > > > > >Dick Puz > > >

Joe just wanted to say thanks for the information... I didn't know how it was found, and now that I do, I can use it more extensively in the future if need be. Dave Joe Staugaitis wrote: > You can see the results of the 1947 census in a book listing all Croatian > surnames reported in the census, including variants and mispellings. The > book presents the surnames in alphabetical order, with the name of each > village the surname occurs in, and how many in that village had the surname > at the time of the census. The book is: > > Leksik prezimena Socijalisticke Republike Hrvatske > (urednici Valentin Putanec, Petar Simunovic) > Zagreb: Institut za jezik, 1976. -- xiv, 772 p. > > It is available at many large libraries, and certainly in some university > libraries. I know it is at the NY Public Library at 5th and 42nd as well > as at UCLA and I believe in Toronto. If you can't find it at your closest > municipal or university library, maybe posting your lookup request on this > list or on the <soc.genealogy.slavic> newsgroup will result in some kind > soul with access to it making the lookup... > > Joe > ----- > At 12:01 PM 10/6/01 -0400, PUZEXPRESS@aol.com wrote: > >I saw the mention of a 1948 Croatian census. Can you tell me what it > covered > >and how to access it. Thanks. > > > >Dick Puz > >

My father was born in Bribir - (not sure which one) Ivan Cor, son of Mirko Cor and Dragutina Pozarich. Is anyone researching these names? The Cor name was changed here in the US to Chor. I know of a huge Chor Croatian population in Montana and believe that there are cousins there. But I think I may have to work a little harder to connect. If anyone has any info would love to hear from you. Katherine. ---------- >From: Frank Kurchina <frankur@att.net> >To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: Grandfather from Bribir >Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2001, 12:32 AM > > There are two Bribir located in Croatia. > > Bribir located 74 miles SW of Zagreb in the Rijeka region. > > Bribir located 130 miles south of Zagreb in the S^ibenik region. > > The Croatian telephone directory lists 14 surnames Strizic' under Bribir > and Rijeka. >

Katherine Douglass wrote: > > My father was born in Bribir - (not sure which one) Ivan Cor, son of Mirko > Cor and Dragutina Pozarich. Is anyone researching these names? The Cor > name was changed here in the US to Chor. I know of a huge Chor Croatian > population in Montana and believe that there are cousins there. But I think > I may have to work a little harder to connect. If anyone has any info would > love to hear from you. > Katherine. Don't know your surnames. The Croatian telephone directory lists under Rijeka's county : 87 surname C^or including 14 surnames listed under Bribir. 15 surname Poz^aric' including 3 surnames listed under Bribir. Two Croatian characters (letters) " c " employ diacritic-accent marks (i.e. caret, caron, hac^ek, or strés^ica) Croatia formalized their alphabet about 1850 with the introduction of a diacritical system. Just two of its diacritical letters are described below. v c pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-urch. c' pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-eap. The angular c' is used when c is the last letter in a Croatian surname. > ---------- > >From: Frank Kurchina <frankur@att.net> > >To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: Grandfather from Bribir > >Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2001, 12:32 AM > > > > > There are two Bribir located in Croatia. > > > > Bribir located 74 miles SW of Zagreb in the Rijeka region. > > > > Bribir located 130 miles south of Zagreb in the S^ibenik region. > > > > The Croatian telephone directory lists 14 surnames Strizic' under Bribir > > and Rijeka. > >

Someone on our list was doing DVORAK. Thought you might want to know of this. Ashley Neils wrote: > My family came to the US in 1880. They went to Spillville Iowa - then to North Dakota. Hoping they were in Spillville before the 1880 census was taken. Looking for: > Barbora Dvorak 55 (Dworvak,Dworak) > Frank Joseph Dvorak 20, (Dworvak, Dworak) > Barbora had another son Mike - he is not on the same ship list. He was either here before them or after (just guessing) no info at all on Mike. > Family did say that he came to North Dakota with Barbora and Frank. > Tammy > > ==== IA-CENSUS-LOOKUP Mailing List ==== > CENSUS LOOKUPS HOME PAGE http://www.rootsweb.com/~censlook/ > USGW Census Project http://www.us-census.org/ > USGW Census Images http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/cen_img.htm > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

I am changing my internet server. please forward these messages to my new address: dave9759@juno.com thanks- Dave TodeyL@aol.com wrote: > Do I remember correctly that someone recently was researching the name > Raskie? I have an obituary for Michael Raskie died 1 Oct 2001. He was the son > of Steve and Eva (Cinkovich) Raskie. > E-mail me if interested. > Louise

You can see the results of the 1947 census in a book listing all Croatian surnames reported in the census, including variants and mispellings. The book presents the surnames in alphabetical order, with the name of each village the surname occurs in, and how many in that village had the surname at the time of the census. The book is: Leksik prezimena Socijalisticke Republike Hrvatske (urednici Valentin Putanec, Petar Simunovic) Zagreb: Institut za jezik, 1976. -- xiv, 772 p. It is available at many large libraries, and certainly in some university libraries. I know it is at the NY Public Library at 5th and 42nd as well as at UCLA and I believe in Toronto. If you can't find it at your closest municipal or university library, maybe posting your lookup request on this list or on the <soc.genealogy.slavic> newsgroup will result in some kind soul with access to it making the lookup... Joe ----- At 12:01 PM 10/6/01 -0400, PUZEXPRESS@aol.com wrote: >I saw the mention of a 1948 Croatian census. Can you tell me what it covered >and how to access it. Thanks. > >Dick Puz >

Do I remember correctly that someone recently was researching the name Raskie? I have an obituary for Michael Raskie died 1 Oct 2001. He was the son of Steve and Eva (Cinkovich) Raskie. E-mail me if interested. Louise

The copy of the census information I have is by surname and lists the number of individuals and families with the name Bakic, also Matkovic, and Vuksic. I got the information from another genealogist and so I don't know how you could acquire it other than to check with Feehs, or some other genealogical organization. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PUZEXPRESS@aol.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Bakic, also Feefhs conference > I saw the mention of a 1948 Croatian census. Can you tell me what it covered > and how to access it. Thanks. > > Dick Puz >

Another tissue one! Forwarded from the Brooklyn List WELCOME AT RAINBOW BRIDGE by Alexander Theodore Bouvier, Fourth Year Resident On the morning of September 11, 2001, there was an unprecedented amount of activity at the Rainbow Bridge. Decisions had to be made. They had to be made quickly. And, they were. An issue, not often addressed here, is the fact that many residents really have no loved one for whom to wait. Think of the pups who lived and died in hideous puppy mills. No one on earth loved or protected them. What about the many who spent unhappy lives tied in backyards? And, the ones who were abused, Who are they to wait for? We don't talk about that much up here. We share our loved ones as they arrive, happy to do so. But we all know there is nothing like having your very own person who thinks you are the most special pup in the Heavens. Last Tuesday morning a request rang out for pups not waiting for specific persons to volunteer for special assignment.. An eager, curious crowd surged excitedly forward, each pup wondering what the assignment would be. They were told by a solemn voice that unexpectedly, all at once, over 4,000 loving people had left Earth long before they were ready. All the pups, as all pups do, felt the humans' pain deep in their own hearts. Without hearing more, there was a clamoring among them - "May I have one to comfort?" "I'll take two, I have a big heart." "I have been saving kisses forever." One after another they came forward begging for assignment. One cozy-looking fluffy pup hesitantly asked, "Are there any children coming? I would be very comforting for a child 'cause I'm soft and squishy and I always wanted to be hugged." A group of Dalmatians came forward asking to meet the Firemen and be their friends. The larger working breeds offered to greet the Police Officers and make them feel at home. ! Little dogs volunteered to do what they do best, cuddle and kiss. Dogs who on Earth had never had a kind word or a pat on the head, stepped forward and said, "I will love any human who needs love." Then all the dogs, wherever on Earth they originally came from, rushed to the Rainbow Bridge and stood waiting, overflowing with love to share - each tail wagging a little American Flag. De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Jesus, A Never Ending Friend "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" Beannachtai agus Siochain