MJHODGE@aol.com wrote: > > Hello - I don't know if this will help you or not. > My father b.21 October 1891, used to say that he was not certain of > his birthdate. The family had a long walk into the closest town to his > village of birth. It could have been 1-3 days after his birth. > Good luck. Jane It has been my experience that in villages in central and eastern Europe, where there were R.C. churches, baptisms were generally performed 1-3 days after birth of child. A midwife may even have attended the birth, but often availability of the parish priest was a factor as to when baptism was actually performed.

Hi everyone, I have had lots of requests so I thought I'd better make myself some time and post this list. This is the list of people brought before the Royal Commission of Enquiry in to Alien Enemies working in the Kalgoorlie - Boulder Goldfields area of Western Australia, Australia during World War One. There were 138 men brought before the Commission, 38 were interned in a Prisoner of War Camp in New South Wales. This was in October 1916 and most of the men were deported 1918-1919. It is interesting that a lot of the men waited in the POW camps a long time after the war ended. In this instance they were all from the Dalmatian Region of the Austrian-Hungary Empire. There were also mass internments of Germans, Bulgarians, Japanese and Italians across the country. Making a really long story as short and comprehensive as possible, the Commission was called as a last resort, solution to over a year of conflict in the mines. There were many strikes with members of the Miner's Union refusing to work unless certain "enemy aliens" were dismissed. Mine Managers refused as it would cause a labour shortage with so many men away at war, and disruptions would of course reduce the amount of gold being produced which was the States mainstay to fund the war effort. Hostilities between previously friendly neighbours was all a product of propaganda and government authorised hype, because everything was normal at home, they had to justify their huge war effort and in doing this they created the idea of the "enemy at home", scaring everyone into believing all foriegners would band together and launch a campaign against them from within their own boarders!! So after a stalemate between the Miners Union and the Mine Managers, the government didn't the only thing they could. Since the Mine Managers refused to dismiss anyone without proof they were an enemy, the Commission was called to inquire into those accussed. I hope that is comprehensive. There is so much information I find it hard to sumarise it. I want to tell you everything but that would become boring. Maybe another installment later. So with the following list, I hope to make contact with some others researching these families who would be hopefully generous enough to assist me in compiling a profile for each man. Found in terms of Commission to be Alien Enemies and Interned at Holdsworthy Barracks, Liverpool, New South Wales, Australia. BAKOTICH IVAN BERCIC JAMES BOSNICH MICK BOSNICH FRANK BOZIN IVAN BOZIN LOUIS BRAVCIC RADIC CEPO JOE CVITANOVICH JOSEF DAGELISH STEVE DRPICH PETER DRPICH JURE IVANISEVICH STEVE IVULICH IVAN KURALICH PETER MARINKOVICH ANTONY MARTINOVICH IVAN MULJAT MICK PUDUJE MICK RADISICH ANTONY RADULJ JOSE RAKICH IVAN SATICH JOHN SKENDER MARK SOKOLICH EDWARD STANKOVICH MARKO TEVRDEICH MARK TOLJ STEVE YUREVICH TONY ZILKO ROKO ZILKO IVAN ZILKO JOSEPH Passed For Employment, were given a ticket and allowed to commence work immeadiately. AJDUK MARKO ALFIROVICH JOSEF ALRICH NIKOLAS BABICH MATE BARBARICH J BARTULAVICH M BASURA MATE BORICH FRANK BOROVAC PETER BOTICA IVAN BOTICA PETAR BOTICA MATE BOTICA IVAN BOVONAC DANE BRALICH MARCO BRBARICH IVAN BULJAN JOSEF CEPO TONY CHURACK JOHN CLARICH VINCENT DRESSA MATTI DRUSKOVIC JOSEF DUNAT NIKOLAS DUSOVICH TOM ERCEG MICHAEL ERCEG JACK FRANICH FRED GLAMUZINA JOSEF GLUCINA MILAN GRGUSICH GEORGE GROSS ANTHONY ILLICH ANTONIO ILLICH IVAN ILLICH IVAN ILLIG FRITZ IVANKOVICH JERRY IVANKOVICH VIDO JAKSICH MATE JAKSICH KRIST JELCICH LUKA JUKICH ANTE JURLYEVICH IVAN KARGOTICH JACK KATNICH ROKO KERIGIN KOZMO KESICH JOSEF KESICH IVAN KLINAC ANTE KOSOVICH NICKOLA KOSOVICH IVAN KOSOVICH MATE KOVACIC IVAN KRALJEVICH TONY KRESKOVIC STJEPEN KUKRIKI VIDO KUKURA PAUL KULGIS JAKOV KURISICH STEVE KUSEVICH GEORGE LAURICH FRANK LEVIS MARKO LUCATELICH TONY MAICH J MAICH ANTE MATICH VINCENZO MATICH JOHN MATULICH ANTHONY MOCHAM DAVID PARENTIC MARTIN PASALIC JURE PERON JOE PINCETICH MICK PIVAC MARIN PIVAC PETAR POKLEPOVIC LUKA RADICH JACK RAVELIC JOSEF RIDOMILYICH ANTE SAIN IVAN SALA MICHAEL SANTICH NICHOLAS SCIROVICH JAMES SIMUNOVICH IVAN SIMUNOVICH GRERI SORIC SIMUN SORICH MATE SPRIJAN MICK SPRLIJAN FRANK STANKO LETICA SUVALJKO IVAN TOLJ GEORGE TOMICH MATHIEU TOMICH JOHN TRABOLDT CHARLES TURICH ANTE UNKOVICH NIKOLA VIDAKOVICH IVAN VLADIC YERKO YILKO PETER YUKICH PETER YURISICH SIMUN YURISICH IVAN YURISICH IVAN And that's it. Hopefully you've found it interesting enough to read this far. Looking forward to hearing any comments soon. Take care Kind Regards Renee Glasson Perth, Australia Researching Surnames: BOZIN, BURAZEN - Croatia _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Hello - I don't know if this will help you or not. My father b.21 October 1891, used to say that he was not certain of his birthdate. The family had a long walk into the closest town to his village of birth. It could have been 1-3 days after his birth. Good luck. Jane

In reading some of the microfilmed baptismal church records in Slovenia and Croatia, I have these questions. I keep running across the term "Cooperator" or an abbreviation thereof. This term invariably is under a name found in the column heading "Baptizans" with the subheading of "Nomen." The filled in information contain a name and the Cooperator term which are repeated for long periods of time, entry after entry. Is this simply the name of the person recording the entries? Secondly at the end of the entries, there is a column headed Patrinl which I know means godparents. Under this heading are two subheading with Nomen (which I know is for the names of the godparents) and CONDITIO. Under the latter, the box is usually signed by the same person repeatedly, many times by a woman. What does this box represent? For some baptism entries, there appears a written-in date in the left margin. The date is always years after the baptism date. I believe this is the date of death. Does anyone know if this is correct? Lastly, does anyone know what the baptism custom was in Croatia in say the 1800s? Finding the actual birth date seems to be quite an issue. Did the baptisms typically occur shortly after birth? I would appreciate your help in better understanding these types of entries. Dick Puz

Oops - almost forgot to help you on the second date you mentioned. Sometimes if the birth was followed shortly by a death the second date was listed, often a cross was drawn next to the date. And some parishes put the death of the person in next to their baptismal record if it was known when that person died years later. Normally, I found the deaths and marriages recorded in a different record. Dave

It's been a while since I have perused baptismal records, but what I typically saw was this: the birthdate and baptism were normally very close together and sometimes the very same day. Usually the name of the baptized then the parents, the priest who performed the baptisms, and then the godparents. I would be surprised to see a female name listed for the person who performed the baptism. I have myself once thought that Adrija (an example) was a female name, which of course is actually a version of Andrew. Hope I was some help, I am sure there are more knowledgeable people on this list who will eventually give you better assistance. Dave

Renee have a read of this web page . I'l have a look around tomorrow and see what else I come up with. http://www.aa.gov.au/The_Collection/Family_History/immigrants.html Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Glasson" <renee_glasson@hotmail.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Internees on the Goldfields > > Mary, Nice to hear from someone researching in the same area. What state > are you in? As I said b4 I will post the names as soon as I have a spare > minute and my aims. I am basically trying to get a short profile of each of > the 138 men. So contact with people already reserching the families of men > that were involved would be so helpful as to assist me with their movements, > or else I could spend months - as I have for my great grandfather - trying > to find what ship they arrived on. Of course I have about 5 different > possible dates!! > > Do you have any information about shipping movements. Is there any efforts > to undertake a transcription of the shipping lists with regard to Croatia > and that area?? Please let me know about your research and what and where > you are looking at. > > Will be in contact soon. > > Regards > > Renee > > > From: "Mary" <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> > Reply-To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Please read - I'M THE NEW GIRL!! > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:42:23 +1100 > > Hi Renee > > I would like to hear more about your research on the Dalmatians who worked > in the Goldfields in WA, I am currently gathering information on migration > of Croatians to Australia so any information you can pass on would be > appreciated. Im meeting tomorrow with a Croatian Professor from one of our > Universities here who is also doing research on migration of Croatians to > Australia. So the more help we get the better. Good luck in your search > for > your ancestors, you've joined a good mailing list and people here are very > helpful and will help you as much as they can. > > Mary > > > > > > Renee Glasson > Perth, Australia > Researching Surnames: > STOKES, GLASSON, CALAMERI, BOZIN, BURAZEN > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com >

Hello Renee Cista Provo is near Lorvec (major town) CISTA PROVO, a village in the region of Imotski, so-called Imotska Krajina, 18 km northwest of Imotski; elevation 260 m; population 687. Chief occupations include farming and livestock breeding. Cista Provo is located at the intersection of the main roads Sinj - Imotski and Arzano - Brela Lovrec, a village 2 km southeast of Cista Provo. The main altar of the parish church of the Holy Spirit features valuable Baroque statues of St. Sylvester and St. Thomas, a work by an anonymous Venetian sculptor. Graveyards with stelae are found at three different locations: near the old parish church (from 1759), on Catrnja and in Markuzina Ograda. On the locality of Crkvina, a small early Christian church and a memoria have been found, as well as the fragments of an altar partition. The remains of a necropolis of stelae have been discovered at three different locations, comprising 109 monuments. Many of them were adorned with figures. Cista Velika, a village 5 km northwest of Cista Provo Tell us what information you have on your grandfather and grandmother such as their dates of births, other siblings, and if you know of their parents name. Where were your parents born here or in Croatia?. This all helps to get you going. As Frank mentioned there is film to rent from the Latter Day Saints and this may help you but you need a starting point such as what year you are looking for but I suggest if you can hire the film it's not only fun to read but you never know what you'll find. See below the range of years for Births. Rodeni (births) Years: 1797-1804, 1812-1819, 1825-1836, 1825-1846 http://familysearch.org/ - The LDS web page have a read and see where the closest one is to you. They are very helpful. You will need to order the film in and it may take up 3 months for it come in (depends if they have one here in Australia or they need to get one sent from Salt Lake City). Email me privately if you wish and I'll call you to have a chat. I'm in Sydney so we are only 2 hours difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Glasson" <renee_glasson@hotmail.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Confusing places > > > Hi Frank, Thanks for such an informative reply. > > The Burazin name ( I think is from the Cista Provo place that you talk > about. My great great grandfather listed his birth place as town of Cisto, > Province of Imoska and country of Austria. But he may have just lived there > or it may be the closest place to where he was from. Who knows!! I have a > funny feeling he went back to Croatia during world war one - haven't found > any record yet assumtions only, to Kastel Sucurac as that is where his > son-in-law went when he was deported. > My Nana always talks about this area too - the story of the seven brides > from seven cities. I don't know if that is right?? > > I have tried that site, I didn't find it too helpful. I need very basic > stuff. I am just trying to learn the alphabet and pronunciation now, so I > can work out how to say and write names. It was a very interesting site > though. > > > Regards > > Renee > > > > Australsko Hrvatska Rodoslovna i Povijesna Udruga > Australian Croatian Genealogical and Historical Society > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/6442/home/ > > > Regards > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >

I do not know if he is still living. If he is, he would probably be quite old. In January 2001 you were seeking surnames from Ivanska. Is Antun Dzogovic a living surname, or one that is deceased ? From what dates ? His father, first name unknown died about 1913. Denine

Hi Frank, Thanks for such an informative reply. The Burazin name ( I think is from the Cista Provo place that you talk about. My great great grandfather listed his birth place as town of Cisto, Province of Imoska and country of Austria. But he may have just lived there or it may be the closest place to where he was from. Who knows!! I have a funny feeling he went back to Croatia during world war one - haven't found any record yet assumtions only, to Kastel Sucurac as that is where his son-in-law went when he was deported. My Nana always talks about this area too - the story of the seven brides from seven cities. I don't know if that is right?? I have tried that site, I didn't find it too helpful. I need very basic stuff. I am just trying to learn the alphabet and pronunciation now, so I can work out how to say and write names. It was a very interesting site though. Regards Renee Australsko Hrvatska Rodoslovna i Povijesna Udruga Australian Croatian Genealogical and Historical Society http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/6442/home/ Regards _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Mary, Nice to hear from someone researching in the same area. What state are you in? As I said b4 I will post the names as soon as I have a spare minute and my aims. I am basically trying to get a short profile of each of the 138 men. So contact with people already reserching the families of men that were involved would be so helpful as to assist me with their movements, or else I could spend months - as I have for my great grandfather - trying to find what ship they arrived on. Of course I have about 5 different possible dates!! Do you have any information about shipping movements. Is there any efforts to undertake a transcription of the shipping lists with regard to Croatia and that area?? Please let me know about your research and what and where you are looking at. Will be in contact soon. Regards Renee From: "Mary" <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> Reply-To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Please read - I'M THE NEW GIRL!! Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:42:23 +1100 Hi Renee I would like to hear more about your research on the Dalmatians who worked in the Goldfields in WA, I am currently gathering information on migration of Croatians to Australia so any information you can pass on would be appreciated. Im meeting tomorrow with a Croatian Professor from one of our Universities here who is also doing research on migration of Croatians to Australia. So the more help we get the better. Good luck in your search for your ancestors, you've joined a good mailing list and people here are very helpful and will help you as much as they can. Mary Renee Glasson Perth, Australia Researching Surnames: STOKES, GLASSON, CALAMERI, BOZIN, BURAZEN _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

I am looking for information on an Antun Dzogovic in Ivanska in Bjelovar County. I'd be most grateful for any help. Denine

DNJNS@aol.com wrote: > > I am looking for information on an Antun Dzogovic in Ivanska in Bjelovar > County. I'd be most grateful for any help. > Denine In January 2001 you were seeking surnames from Ivanska. Is Antun Dzogovic a living surname, or one that is deceased ? From what dates ?

Roma, february 20th, 2002 Hello to everybody! I subscribed to your list quite recently and I think it's really interesting... I read a message about Venice, Dalmatia, former Jugoslavia etc etc...a few minutes ago. There was a hint about 'Swabian Turkey' at the end of the message: '...Croatia-Slavonia, the kingdom of Dalmatia, the southern portion of Swabian Turkey, the southern portion of duchy of Styria, and Syrmia.' May I possibly know what exactly 'Swabian Turkey' was and why it was named so? thanks a lot, Jacopo Longo, Roma, Italy

Hi Renee I would like to hear more about your research on the Dalmatians who worked in the Goldfields in WA, I am currently gathering information on migration of Croatians to Australia so any information you can pass on would be appreciated. Im meeting tomorrow with a Croatian Professor from one of our Universities here who is also doing research on migration of Croatians to Australia. So the more help we get the better. Good luck in your search for your ancestors, you've joined a good mailing list and people here are very helpful and will help you as much as they can. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Please read - I'M THE NEW GIRL!! > > > Renee Glasson wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, I am a brand new, I have just subscribed and very keen to > > research my Croatian Ancestors. It is quite hard to refer to myself as > > Croatian because ever since I was little, my Nana always refered to the > > country as Yugoslavia, although the boarders had all changed and Split was > > now in Croatia. > > > > Anyway, I am researching the names BOZIN and BURAZIN from Croatia and am > > having some trouble starting. > > > > If anyone knows about parishes or registration districts I'd love some help. > > I don't know if these places are in Croatia because this is from pre > > Yugoslavia days, when it was still the Austria-Hungury Empire!! > > Some of the cities/towns/villages - I don't know!! I am looking for are > > Cisto, Imoska or maybe Emoska??? (I have a birth in 1865 apparently here! > > according to a naturalisation certificate > > Split - I know where this one is but don't know where to look for records. > > And Spalato - I have no idea where this is but apparently is where my great > > grandfather lived. > > > > So that is a start. > > > > I am also researching into 138 men from Dalmatia - old Austria-Hungary > > Empire again - but I think the Dalmatian region is the "Southern Slavs" from > > around the section on the coast where Split is - But Anyway - they were > > brought before the Royal Commission of Enquiry into Enemy Aliens working on > > the Goldfields of Western Australia. I will post a list of their names and > > some info about it and what I am doing very soon to see if any interesting > > connections come up. If anyone would like any further info you can email me > > privately. > > > > I hope to be involved in many discussions and hope I can help you as much I > > am sure you all will help me. > > Looking forward > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Renee Glasson > > > > Perth, Western Australia > > Researching Surnames: > > BOZIN, BURAZEN > > nova djevojka (new girl), as oppossed to djevojc^ica (little girl) :-) > > > Many Croatians emigrated to Oz early on in 19th c. > > Split (C) Spalato (I) has two place names, its Croatian name > and the one in Italian. > Expect the parish church records were also written in Italian. > > For over 450 years , Austria and Italy traded rule of parts the > Dalmacija region of Croatia. > > When the Árpád dynasty (Hungarian) became extinct, the > Croatians elected a Neapolitan (Napoli) prince Ladislas, > king of Croatia (1409) and he sold Venice his rights to all of > Dalmatia. > > By 1420 Venice controlled all of Dalmatia except Dubrovnik. > > Following the First World War, new borders for Austro-Hungarian > Monarchy were set by the Treaties of Saint Germain-en-Laye > (September 10, 1919) and Trianon (June 4, 1920). > As a result, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was utterly transformed > into much smaller territories and new countries. > > Hungary became an entirely separate nation, but lost large (2/3) > portions of its former territory, retaining only the core > Hungarian-speaking areas. > > A new country of Yugoslavia was also formed including the former > Austro-Hungarian lands of the southern portion of the Banat, the > southern portion of the Batschka, Bosnia-Hercegovina, the southern > portion of the duchy of Carinthia (Slovenia), most of the of duchy > of Carniola, Croatia-Slavonia, the kingdom of Dalmatia, the southern > portion of Swabian Turkey, the southern portion of duchy of Styria, > and Syrmia. > > (The Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenes was established on > Dec. 1, 1918) and later renamed Yugoslavia in 1929) > > In 1945 this became the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. > > The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia > and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia. > > All that is left of the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia now is > (Yugoslavia, consisting of just Serbia and tiny Montenegro) > NATO forces bombed Yugoslavia in the 1990s. > The others are republics. > > > The Croatian telephone directory list 22 surname bearers Boz^in (Bozhin) > under splitsko-dalmatinska z^upanija (county) > > Most of the surnames were listed under Suc'urac (Kas^tel Suc'urac) which > is > located 1 mile from Split (town) and 158 miles south of Zagreb. > > Expect Cisto was Cista Provo (C) which is located 28 miles distant from > Kas^tel Suc'urac. > Imoska was perhaps Imotski which is located 25 miles distant from > Split(town) ? > > > Where was the surname Burazin from in Croatia ? > > Have you tried ? > Australsko Hrvatska Rodoslovna i Povijesna Udruga > Australian Croatian Genealogical and Historical Society > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/6442/home/ > > > Regards >

Hi everyone, I am a brand new, I have just subscribed and very keen to research my Croatian Ancestors. It is quite hard to refer to myself as Croatian because ever since I was little, my Nana always refered to the country as Yugoslavia, although the boarders had all changed and Split was now in Croatia. Anyway, I am researching the names BOZIN and BURAZIN from Croatia and am having some trouble starting. If anyone knows about parishes or registration districts I'd love some help. I don't know if these places are in Croatia because this is from pre Yugoslavia days, when it was still the Austria-Hungury Empire!! Some of the cities/towns/villages - I don't know!! I am looking for are Cisto, Imoska or maybe Emoska??? (I have a birth in 1865 apparently here! according to a naturalisation certificate Split - I know where this one is but don't know where to look for records. And Spalato - I have no idea where this is but apparently is where my great grandfather lived. So that is a start. I am also researching into 138 men from Dalmatia - old Austria-Hungary Empire again - but I think the Dalmatian region is the "Southern Slavs" from around the section on the coast where Split is - But Anyway - they were brought before the Royal Commission of Enquiry into Enemy Aliens working on the Goldfields of Western Australia. I will post a list of their names and some info about it and what I am doing very soon to see if any interesting connections come up. If anyone would like any further info you can email me privately. I hope to be involved in many discussions and hope I can help you as much I am sure you all will help me. Looking forward Kind Regards Renee Glasson Perth, Western Australia Researching Surnames: BOZIN, BURAZEN _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

If Imoska was Imotski located 25 miles from Split ? Yes, it was (see Cista below) The LDS-Mormons filmed the metrical books (births, marriages, deaths, status animarum) (1731-1859) for the R.C. congregation at Imotski-Glavina, Dalmatien, Austria; now Imotski and Glavina, Croatia. Text in Croatian, Latin, Italian, with some Glagolitic script. film # 1924275 1924276 1924277 1924278 http://www.hr/darko/etf/et03.html The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1836-1862 deaths only) for Cista (Imotski), Dalmatien, Austria; now Velika Cista, Croatia. 24 miles distant from Split. Text in Croatian and Italian. film # 1924264 The LDS-Mormons filmed the metrical books for a number of R.C. congregations in Spalato, Dalmatien, Austria; now Split, Croatia. Text in Italian, Latin, and Croatian. These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing at any Family History Center (FHC) worldwide. 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research. LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp Italian is fairly close to Latin. For example Extractus e libro natorum et baptizatorum (L) (Extract from the book of those born and baptized) versus Estratto dal libro di nascita e di battesimo (I) (Extract from the book of births and baptisms) Testimonium nativatis (L) (Certificate of birth) versus Certificato di nascita (I) (Certificate of birth) or Locus et comunitas nativitatis (L) (Place and community of birth) versus Luogo e comune della nascita (I) (Place and community of birth)

Renee, Here are three sites that I have found very useful. The first is the Global Gazetteer where I have found many of the small villages that I have searched for: http://www.calle.com/world/ A second is a web site run by an American living in Dubrovnic. It contains many many useful tutorial and genealogy "how-to's" including finding parishes. It is at: http://www.croatia-in-english.com/ And lastly, I can tell you in the strongest of terms to try and get yourself to a LDS's Family History location. There, you can look at indexes for microfilmed records that this Church recorded in Croatia over many years and then order the film for viewing. It is a treasure trove of data. You can start the process on their web site: http://www.familysearch.org/ But, at least in the States, you actually have to go to a History center to do the ordering. A more local telephone call to the church in your country may yield more specific information. Good hunting, Dick Puz

TONYTADIJA wrote: > > PLEASE CAN YOU HELP ME LOCATE MY BIRT CERTIFICATE IN FROM JAJCE pozdrav Jajce is located in Bosnia & Herzogovina and is 66 miles WNW of Sarajevo. 29 miles (47 km) south of Banja Luka, on the Vrbas River. The ancient capital of the Bosnian kings, it fell to the Turks in 1461, when the last king was executed. It was taken again, by Hungary, and was the centre of thebanat of Jajce in 1463-1528. The Turks returned in 1528 and remained for 350 years. http://www.kakarigi.net/maps/068.htm http://www.kakarigi.net/maps/ You were born when ? http://jajce.home.dk3.com/ http://pub50.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=4288784696 http://www.bosnet.org/archive/bosnet.w3archive/9210/msg00127.htm

Renee Glasson wrote: > > Hi everyone, I am a brand new, I have just subscribed and very keen to > research my Croatian Ancestors. It is quite hard to refer to myself as > Croatian because ever since I was little, my Nana always refered to the > country as Yugoslavia, although the boarders had all changed and Split was > now in Croatia. > > Anyway, I am researching the names BOZIN and BURAZIN from Croatia and am > having some trouble starting. > > If anyone knows about parishes or registration districts I'd love some help. > I don't know if these places are in Croatia because this is from pre > Yugoslavia days, when it was still the Austria-Hungury Empire!! > Some of the cities/towns/villages - I don't know!! I am looking for are > Cisto, Imoska or maybe Emoska??? (I have a birth in 1865 apparently here! > according to a naturalisation certificate > Split - I know where this one is but don't know where to look for records. > And Spalato - I have no idea where this is but apparently is where my great > grandfather lived. > > So that is a start. > > I am also researching into 138 men from Dalmatia - old Austria-Hungary > Empire again - but I think the Dalmatian region is the "Southern Slavs" from > around the section on the coast where Split is - But Anyway - they were > brought before the Royal Commission of Enquiry into Enemy Aliens working on > the Goldfields of Western Australia. I will post a list of their names and > some info about it and what I am doing very soon to see if any interesting > connections come up. If anyone would like any further info you can email me > privately. > > I hope to be involved in many discussions and hope I can help you as much I > am sure you all will help me. > Looking forward > > Kind Regards > > Renee Glasson > > Perth, Western Australia > Researching Surnames: > BOZIN, BURAZEN nova djevojka (new girl), as oppossed to djevojc^ica (little girl) :-) Many Croatians emigrated to Oz early on in 19th c. Split (C) Spalato (I) has two place names, its Croatian name and the one in Italian. Expect the parish church records were also written in Italian. For over 450 years , Austria and Italy traded rule of parts the Dalmacija region of Croatia. When the Árpád dynasty (Hungarian) became extinct, the Croatians elected a Neapolitan (Napoli) prince Ladislas, king of Croatia (1409) and he sold Venice his rights to all of Dalmatia. By 1420 Venice controlled all of Dalmatia except Dubrovnik. Following the First World War, new borders for Austro-Hungarian Monarchy were set by the Treaties of Saint Germain-en-Laye (September 10, 1919) and Trianon (June 4, 1920). As a result, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was utterly transformed into much smaller territories and new countries. Hungary became an entirely separate nation, but lost large (2/3) portions of its former territory, retaining only the core Hungarian-speaking areas. A new country of Yugoslavia was also formed including the former Austro-Hungarian lands of the southern portion of the Banat, the southern portion of the Batschka, Bosnia-Hercegovina, the southern portion of the duchy of Carinthia (Slovenia), most of the of duchy of Carniola, Croatia-Slavonia, the kingdom of Dalmatia, the southern portion of Swabian Turkey, the southern portion of duchy of Styria, and Syrmia. (The Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenes was established on Dec. 1, 1918) and later renamed Yugoslavia in 1929) In 1945 this became the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia. All that is left of the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia now is (Yugoslavia, consisting of just Serbia and tiny Montenegro) NATO forces bombed Yugoslavia in the 1990s. The others are republics. The Croatian telephone directory list 22 surname bearers Boz^in (Bozhin) under splitsko-dalmatinska z^upanija (county) Most of the surnames were listed under Suc'urac (Kas^tel Suc'urac) which is located 1 mile from Split (town) and 158 miles south of Zagreb. Expect Cisto was Cista Provo (C) which is located 28 miles distant from Kas^tel Suc'urac. Imoska was perhaps Imotski which is located 25 miles distant from Split(town) ? Where was the surname Burazin from in Croatia ? Have you tried ? Australsko Hrvatska Rodoslovna i Povijesna Udruga Australian Croatian Genealogical and Historical Society http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/6442/home/ Regards