Ashley Then we should all put our heads together and see what it is that we need to continue our searches and yes this topic of Austrian navy should be looked at. So what do we need to do. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Tiwara" <grubisic@netwurx.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Edlund on Croatia: a modest proposal > I met Thomas Edlund at the FEEFHS conference, where he did one of the > two presentations on Croatia. He indicated in that presentation that > LDS responds to pressure in the sense of choosing projects for > filming. If the Croatian genealogists assembled and lobbied LDS for > anything in particular, the Croatian genealogists might possibly get > it. > How about filming the records of the Austrian navy? You > think Austria didn't have a navy because it was and is a landlocked > state? Remember who controlled Croatia during the 19th century and > you will know where the Austrian navy came from. With many of the > officers and men being Croatian, I think the meticulous records kept > by the Austrian government of their service personnel would provide > us genealogists with huge amounts of information about our naval > ancestors. How about this list starts discussing what records we'd > really love to have access to without travelling to Austria or > Croatia to get them, and discuss then the lobbying effort needed to > get LDS to provide those records? > > Modestly, but pleased with my late night brilliance, > Ashley > > > > > >Thomas Edlund is the gentleman who organised the filming of Croatia > >http://feefhs.org/fij/fij-tom1.html http://feefhs.org/cro/frg-hr.html if you > >email the LDS Sylvie is the one more than likely to reply to your email. I'd > >say she looks after Eastern Europe from what I remember her telling ME which > >does include Croatia but perhaps she specialises in Slovakia. If you email > >either one they will reply to your emails. Sylvie will also send you out a > >pamplet on Croatian genealogy if you ask her. > > > >I was also told by Mr Edlund that all filming had ceased in Croatia and that > >they had no plans on doing any more at this stage. > > > >Regards > >Mary > > > > -- > >

Yes it is a publication which tells you about Croatia Bosnia, Yugoslavia etc. it gives you a brief explanation on what records have been recorded. Some letters to use for requesting information in Croatian etc. Regards Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patty M." <ppmilich@calweb.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] LDS question > What type of Croatian pamphlet does she send? Is it an LDS > publication---one of their country studies or a word list or what? If it's > an LDS publication, that would be new and of interest to me! > > Patty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maryanne Lawrie" <m.lawrie@walter.net.au> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 8:18 PM > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] LDS question > > > > > > Thomas Edlund is the gentleman who organised the filming of Croatia > > http://feefhs.org/fij/fij-tom1.html http://feefhs.org/cro/frg-hr.html if > you > > email the LDS Sylvie is the one more than likely to reply to your email. > I'd > > say she looks after Eastern Europe from what I remember her telling ME > which > > does include Croatia but perhaps she specialises in Slovakia. If you email > > either one they will reply to your emails. Sylvie will also send you out > a > > pamplet on Croatian genealogy if you ask her. > > > > I was also told by Mr Edlund that all filming had ceased in Croatia and > that > > they had no plans on doing any more at this stage. > > > > Regards > > Mary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: amy davis [mailto:amy@syndromedist.com] > > Sent: Monday, 4 March 2002 3:13 PM > > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] LDS question > > > > > > hi! > > > > when i called and asked for sylvie, they told me that sylvie handles > > slovakia, > > not croatia. my understanding is that thomas edlund handles the croatian > > area. > > > > Frank Kurchina wrote: > > > > > Tania & John Mahoney wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Paul > > > > > > > > This lady Sylvie has helped me with the film numbers for Korcula. I > > think > > > > she is the international person re films at the LDS church head office > . > > > > > > > > Her email is attached also the family search site is > > www.familysearch.org > > > > and on this you can put in a place and it will give you film numbers. > > They > > > > have recently added new films that are not online last time I looked, > > they > > > > are the ones I got from Sylvie. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > Regards Tania Mahoney (nee Matulovich) > > > > PysnakovaSx@ldschurch.org > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > There is also a International desk 800 number for LDS HQ in Salt Lake > > > City UT USA. > > > > > > You can ask Sylvie Pysnaková where the LDS microfilm numbers for Marija > > > Bistrica might be located ? > > > >From US a toll free number 1-800-453-3860, extension 2881. > > > > > > => (1707-1920) <= > > > Metrical books (births, marriages, deaths, status animarum) for the > > > Roman Catholic congregation at Marija Bistrica, Zágráb megye, Hungary; > > > now Marija Bistrica, Croatia. > > > Text in Latin and Croatian. > > > (under 10 microfilm numbers in the FHL catalog) > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul F. Kisak" <kki@visuallink.com> > > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:21 PM > > > > Subject: [CROATIA-L] LDS question > > > > > > > > Hello Frank, > > > > > > > > Do you or anybody else have any idea > > > > where I could go to have the best chance of > > > > finding these LDS records. > > > > > > > > Can you check on line for locations that carry the films numbers? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > The LDS filmed the R.C. parish church records (1707-1920) > > > > for Marija Bistrica, Zágráb, Hungary; now Marija Bistrica, > > > > Croatia. > > > > (Marija Bistrica is located 16 miles NNE of Zagreb (city) > > > > Text in Latin and Croatian. > > > > > > > > film # > > > > 1536611-1536615 > > > > 1922158-1922163 > > > > >

tony Are you saying that you looked at these films from Slobodnica at the LDS and there is no record on your family names in it? LDS web page say there are births marriages and death records from1790-1900 for this area. I suggest if this is the case write to e-mail: povijesni-arhiv-zg@zg.tel.hr Drzavni arhiv Zagreb and ask them where the records are kept. Give them as much information as you can such as the names of the grandfather and great grandfather and dates that you have if any and the location the family name is from. Regards Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Musiov, Tony" <Tony_Musiov@bmc.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:10 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Croatia Name assistance needed > Hi, > > I'm writing from Australia,but i'm doing my research on my Croatia > ancestry. > I've tried the LDS Films to no avail. > Problem is that my Ancestors (Surname MUSIOV) are from Slobodnica. My > Grandfather and Great-Grandfather both lived and died in Slobodnica. > > As i mentioned i have tried the LDS Microfilm to no avail. > No Musiov anywhere on the Net. > How else can i possibly find some sort of information on them. > I thought maby the local Church in Slobodnica. > > Any suggestion or assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards Tony > >

Hi . . . I'm new to the list. I've always thought my maternal gr grandfather was of Slovenian descent . . . now I'm not so sure. Relatives on the family farm in Slovenija tell me he bought the farm in the late 1880's. I know he was in the US several times to work. In 1904 he traveled with cousins who were from Zagorje. This area looks to be right over the border in Croatia, not far from the farm in Slovenija. The name Kriznik in the US is not common . . . most are relatives of mine. I noticed many Krizniks listed in the Croatian telephone directory. Am I on the right track? Does anyone know whether this name is Slovenian or Croatian? Thanks Sandy

I agree................. shawn ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID N MOTHKOVICH Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:20 PM To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Edlund on Croatia: a modest proposal Let me put my 2 cents in on this. I think it would be most practical to get them to make the Marriage Birth and death records for the 19th century on line, much as the Ellisislandrecords are. Most of Croatia is Catholic, and most of these are microfilmed. It would give the greatest possibility of finding your immigrant ancestor... even non-catholics would most likely find an ancestor, since grandparent, uncle etc., would probably be Catholic. Just a thought. Dave M.

Let me put my 2 cents in on this. I think it would be most practical to get them to make the Marriage Birth and death records for the 19th century on line, much as the Ellisislandrecords are. Most of Croatia is Catholic, and most of these are microfilmed. It would give the greatest possibility of finding your immigrant ancestor... even non-catholics would most likely find an ancestor, since grandparent, uncle etc., would probably be Catholic. Just a thought. Dave M.

amy davis wrote: > > has anyone done research of this type? my great-great grandfather worked > in the mines there before he was killed in an accident. > > also does anyone know if delost is truly a croatian name? it doesn't > sound croatian to me. Probably 120-180 surname Delost in the U.S. Many French, Italian, and German ethnicities did emigrate to S.A. Many Croatians did emigrate to Argentina and Chile and Peru and Brazil etc. as well. Usually I reply to their surname queries in Spanish. Most understand English and are educated. Argentina is not experiencing good economic times right now. Some names were converted to the Spanish language spellings after arrival. Although back in Croatia there were also Croatian-Italian surname conversions like Matcovich => Matteone. Delonga ? Having said that, I note the Croatian telephone directory lists 13 surname Delost under Rijeka (C) Fiume (I) region. Directory also lists 1 surname Delosto under Istria, which really had an Italian influence. http://www.istrianet.org/istria/ More Italian surnames than in any other region of Croatia. So, expect the letter 'o' was dropped from the original surname spelling.

Thomas Edlund is the gentleman who organised the filming of Croatia http://feefhs.org/fij/fij-tom1.html http://feefhs.org/cro/frg-hr.html if you email the LDS Sylvie is the one more than likely to reply to your email. I'd say she looks after Eastern Europe from what I remember her telling ME which does include Croatia but perhaps she specialises in Slovakia. If you email either one they will reply to your emails. Sylvie will also send you out a pamplet on Croatian genealogy if you ask her. I was also told by Mr Edlund that all filming had ceased in Croatia and that they had no plans on doing any more at this stage. Regards Mary -----Original Message----- From: amy davis [mailto:amy@syndromedist.com] Sent: Monday, 4 March 2002 3:13 PM To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] LDS question hi! when i called and asked for sylvie, they told me that sylvie handles slovakia, not croatia. my understanding is that thomas edlund handles the croatian area. Frank Kurchina wrote: > Tania & John Mahoney wrote: > > > > Hi Paul > > > > This lady Sylvie has helped me with the film numbers for Korcula. I think > > she is the international person re films at the LDS church head office . > > > > Her email is attached also the family search site is www.familysearch.org > > and on this you can put in a place and it will give you film numbers. They > > have recently added new films that are not online last time I looked, they > > are the ones I got from Sylvie. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Regards Tania Mahoney (nee Matulovich) > > PysnakovaSx@ldschurch.org > > Yes. > > There is also a International desk 800 number for LDS HQ in Salt Lake > City UT USA. > > You can ask Sylvie Pysnaková where the LDS microfilm numbers for Marija > Bistrica might be located ? > >From US a toll free number 1-800-453-3860, extension 2881. > > => (1707-1920) <= > Metrical books (births, marriages, deaths, status animarum) for the > Roman Catholic congregation at Marija Bistrica, Zágráb megye, Hungary; > now Marija Bistrica, Croatia. > Text in Latin and Croatian. > (under 10 microfilm numbers in the FHL catalog) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul F. Kisak" <kki@visuallink.com> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:21 PM > > Subject: [CROATIA-L] LDS question > > > > Hello Frank, > > > > Do you or anybody else have any idea > > where I could go to have the best chance of > > finding these LDS records. > > > > Can you check on line for locations that carry the films numbers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > The LDS filmed the R.C. parish church records (1707-1920) > > for Marija Bistrica, Zágráb, Hungary; now Marija Bistrica, > > Croatia. > > (Marija Bistrica is located 16 miles NNE of Zagreb (city) > > Text in Latin and Croatian. > > > > film # > > 1536611-1536615 > > 1922158-1922163

PJohn27974@aol.com wrote: > > Nicholas Matcovich was from Dalmatia, and left at the age of 14. He was bn. > abt. 1832, naturalized in Plaquemine Parish, La. in 1856. He was on the > island of Eleuretha, Bhs. with his wife Eliza Carey in 1864 where they had > their first child. > I have now learned that he left from Boche del Cattaro and feel that he > lived in that region. I have traced another Matcovich family which I believe > related to my Nicholas and they left from Trieste so I feel I am getting > closer to identifying the area. I believe Ragusa may be a possibility as I > have researched another NIcholas Matcovich that was in World War 1 draft in > Skaway, Alaska and he was from Ragusa. And of course, Fiume is another > possibility. > So, is this region now known as Montenegro? And does anyone know if there > is LDS film on Ragusa? > Nicholas parents were from the Ural Mts. of Russia. I'm not sure what year > they emigrated to Austria. I am anxious to find more about them. I > understand they lived to be 110 and the other l20 yrs. I thought this > ridiculous but then I learned that there are some known facts that people > from the Ural Mt. region did live to be very old. I understand their diet was > nuts, and vegetables. > Any sugguestions as to how I can go about researcjomg this region? Phyllis You don't know the village of origin of Nicholas's parents in the Ural Mts., which are in E European Russia and NW Kazakhstan, forming, together with the Ural River, the traditional boundary between Europe and Asia and separating the Russian plain from the Siberian lowlands. The Urals extend c.1,500 mi (2,400 km) north and south from the Arctic tundra to the deserts N of the Caspian Sea. You don't even know when they emigrated to Austria. Austria-Hungary was one of the largest countries of Europe in the 19th century and at the end of WW I was split into many other countries; Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania, Poland, Soviet Union, Italy, etc. Austria had stretched from Austria to Montenegro (Crna Gora) in the Balkans, plus part of Poland and part of the Ukraine. http://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/13270.html http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0850159.html http://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/13269.html Boche del Cattaro (I) http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03456b.htm Montenegro http://www.montenegro.org/ If you have a great deal of money try to locate a researcher in Europe (probably in Russia) who knows English, Russian, and Uralic-Altaic languages. Was surname Matkovic' ? Spelled how in Russian (Cyrillic) and in Uralic- Altaic ? Unless Nicholas's father had been an important chieftan and written up in historical annals your researcher will find nothing. You will be be hard pressed to just research Trieste (I) Trst (C) Triest (G), Italy; Rijeka (C) Fiume (I), Istria, Austria and Italy and Croatia; and Dubrovnik (C) Ragusa (I), Austria, Italy and Croatia for the correct Matkovic' family ? The Croatian telephone directory lists : 52 surname Matkovic' under Dubrovnik region, including 13 surnames under Dubrovnik (town) 175 surname Matkovic' under Rijeka and Gorski Kotar region. 86 surname Matkovic' under Istra. Croatians emigrated early on to the Gulf States region of the U.S. Many settled in this region. And many settled in Palquemines parish, State of LA. The LDS filmed many church records for Dubrovnik/ Ragusa. The problem is there are seven sets of church records depending on religion and parish. For example, metrical books (births, marriages, deaths) for the R. C. congregation of Grad, a district of Ragusa, Dalmatien, Austria; now Dubrovnik, Croatia (1642-1885) 20 films Text in Italian and Croatian. Early records will be in Italian and later records in Croatian. The Croatia-Slavonia records microfilmed have greater linguistic diversity than for most other geographic regions. Latin, Croatian, Slovene, Serbian, German, Hungarian, or Italian are possible languages used. Italian is fairly close to Latin. Extractus e libro natorum et baptizatorum (L) (Extract from the book of those born and baptized) versus Estratto dal libro di nascita e di battesimo (I) (Extract from the book of births and baptisms) Testimonium nativatis (L) (Certificate of birth) versus Certificato di nascita (I) (Certificate of birth) or Locus et comunitas nativitatis (L) (Place and community of birth) versus Luogo e comune della nascita (I) (Place and community of birth) For over 450 years , Austria and Italy traded rule of parts the Dalmacija region of Croatia. When the Árpád dynasty (Hungarian) became extinct, the Croatians elected a Neapolitan (Napoli) prince Ladislas, king of Croatia (1409) and he sold Venice his rights to all of Dalmatia. By 1420 Venice controlled all of Dalmatia except Dubrovnik. The French Emperor Napoleon I signed a peace treaty with Austria in 1797. Whereby Austria ceded to France its holdings in Belgium and along the Rhine River in return for Istria, Venetia, and Dalmatia, which had belonged to Venice. The Republic of Venice ceased to exist. Austria's acquisitions along the Adriatic Sea were short-lived. After Emperor Napoleon's successful campaign of 1805, another peace treaty required Austria to surrender all the lands it had acquired from Venice to a newly created French dependency called the Kingdom of Italy. After another French victory in 1809 , Emperor Napoleon I forced Austria to cede part of Carinthia and Croatia south of the Sava River, which together with Istria and Dalmatia were formed into the Illyrian Provinces attached directly to France. This Illyrian territory existed 1809-1813. The French entered the city-republic of Dubrovnik in 1806 and in 1807 incorporated it into the Illyrian Provinces. After the fall of Emperor Napoleon, Austria regained all those territories that it had held prior to the Napoleonic era , as well as those they had held and lost between 1805 and 1809, plus Dubrovnik. 1867-1918 Istria was part of of Austria under the dual Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. 1918-1947 Istria was part of Italy, not Croatia or Yugoslavia. Following the First World War, new borders for Austro-Hungarian Monarchy were set by the Treaties of Saint Germain-en-Laye (September 10, 1919) and Trianon (June 4, 1920). As a result, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was utterly transformed into smaller territories and new countries. Hungary became an entirely separate nation, but lost large portions of its territories as well, retaining only core Hungarian-speaking areas. Retained were West and Central Hungary plus a small western portion of the Banat, the northern portion of the Batschka, the Central Hungarian Highlands, and the northern portion of Swabian Turkey. A new country of Yugoslavia was also formed including the former Austro-Hungarian lands of the southern portion of the Banat, the southern portion of the Batschka, Bosnia-Hercegovina, the southern portion of the duchy of Carinthia (Slovenia), most of the of duchy of Carniola, Croatia-Slavonia, the kingdom of Dalmatia, the southern portion of Swabian Turkey, the southern portion of duchy of Styria, and Syrmia. (The Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenes was established on Dec. 1, 1918) renamed Yugoslavia on October 4, 1929. It existed as such until 1941 and as a communist state (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) from 1945 to 1991. The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia. Following WW 1, Italy took for itself the southwestern portion of duchy of Carniola, the county of Gorizia-Gradisca, the margraviate of Istria, the town of Trieste, the southern portion of the county of Tyrol, city of Zada (formerly part of the Kingdom of Dalmatia), and the islands of Cherso, Lusino, and Lagosta. In 1926, Trieste, Istria, southwestern Carniola, and northern Dalmatia was divided into the districts of Trieste, Rijeka/Fiume, and Pula/Pola by Italy. The 1947 (WW 2) peace treaty recognized Yugoslavia's acquisition of former Italian territory. This included Dalmatian city of Zadar/Zara and the islands of Cres/Cherso, Los^inj/Lusino, and Lastovo/Lagosta, as well as former city of Rijeka/Fiume and, farther north, western Slovenia and part of Istria. Because of the Italian connection there are more Italian surnames in Istria than in any other part of Croatia. http://www.istrianet.org/istria/ But today Trieste is not part of Istria nor of Croatia. In 1947, the Free Territory of Trieste was created . Zone A (city of Trieste) was administered by Anglo-American forces and Zone B by the Yugoslavs. In 1954, the Free Territory of Trieste was abolished. Zone B was given to former Yugoslavia and Zone A was given to Italy.

Nicholas Matcovich was from Dalmatia, and left at the age of 14. He was bn. abt. 1832, naturalized in Plaquemine Parish, La. in 1856. He was on the island of Eleuretha, Bhs. with his wife Eliza Carey in 1864 where they had their first child. I have now learned that he left from Boche del Cattaro and feel that he lived in that region. I have traced another Matcovich family which I believe related to my Nicholas and they left from Trieste so I feel I am getting closer to identifying the area. I believe Ragusa may be a possibility as I have researched another NIcholas Matcovich that was in World War 1 draft in Skaway, Alaska and he was from Ragusa. And of course, Fiume is another possibility. So, is this region now known as Montenegro? And does anyone know if there is LDS film on Ragusa? Nicholas parents were from the Ural Mts. of Russia. I'm not sure what year they emigrated to Austria. I am anxious to find more about them. I understand they lived to be 110 and the other l20 yrs. I thought this ridiculous but then I learned that there are some known facts that people from the Ural Mt. region did live to be very old. I understand their diet was nuts, and vegetables. Any sugguestions as to how I can go about researcjomg this region? Phyllis

Mary, I read what you knew about Thomas Edlund and the end to filming in Croatia. Could it be that there are more films being processed that have yet to be released? I find a shortage of films after 1900. Dick Puz

has anyone done research of this type? my great-great grandfather worked in the mines there before he was killed in an accident. also does anyone know if delost is truly a croatian name? it doesn't sound croatian to me.

hi! i read a transcript from a lecture that he gave. he stated that all of the churches in croatia had been filmed. PUZEXPRESS@aol.com wrote: > Mary, > > I read what you knew about Thomas Edlund and the end to filming in Croatia. > Could it be that there are more films being processed that have yet to be > released? > > I find a shortage of films after 1900. > > Dick Puz

PUZEXPRESS@aol.com wrote: > > Mary, > > I read what you knew about Thomas Edlund and the end to filming in Croatia. > Could it be that there are more films being processed that have yet to be > released? > > I find a shortage of films after 1900. > > Dick Puz This is what the LDS does after filming the church records. The films are first sent for quality control checking to Germany and only then are returned to the U.S. It may be several years after the actual filming that microfilms are back and are copied at SLC FHL and then are available for distribution to the various local LDS FHCs when requested by researchers. As to catalog , am informed there are also three different sets of film catalogs besides the online catalog dated August 2001. Two are on Family History Library CD-ROMS available for purchase ? Each local LDS FHC also had its own set of catalog CD-ROMS. Confusing ?

Ashley Tiwara wrote: > > I met Thomas Edlund at the FEEFHS conference, where he did one of the > two presentations on Croatia. He indicated in that presentation that > LDS responds to pressure in the sense of choosing projects for > filming. If the Croatian genealogists assembled and lobbied LDS for > anything in particular, the Croatian genealogists might possibly get > it. > How about filming the records of the Austrian navy? You > think Austria didn't have a navy because it was and is a landlocked > state? Remember who controlled Croatia during the 19th century and > you will know where the Austrian navy came from. With many of the > officers and men being Croatian, I think the meticulous records kept > by the Austrian government of their service personnel would provide > us genealogists with huge amounts of information about our naval > ancestors. How about this list starts discussing what records we'd > really love to have access to without travelling to Austria or > Croatia to get them, and discuss then the lobbying effort needed to > get LDS to provide those records? > > Modestly, but pleased with my late night brilliance, > Ashley An interesting observation about the Austrian Navy during WW I was that naval components were made up of a multiplicity of ethniticities. Possibly 6 or 7 different languages were spoken on the same ship. As a result, naval officers were required to know a certain number of words in each of the various languages spoken by the sailors under their command. Otherwise it created a number of problems if commands were given in a language certain sailors didn't understand. (Lieutenant had ordered 'shoot' , but two sailors thought he had said 'stay put'. Achtung ! (G) (A) Attention ! Ja ne razumjem Hrvatski. (C) I don't understand Croatian. Come si chiama ? (I) What is your name ? http://www.cronab.demon.co.uk/ah1.htm http://www.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/naval/fdah0001.htm http://www.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/naval/danube.htm http://www.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/naval/ahsubs.htm http://www.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/naval/n0000000.htm > > >Thomas Edlund is the gentleman who organised the filming of Croatia > >http://feefhs.org/fij/fij-tom1.html http://feefhs.org/cro/frg-hr.html if you > >email the LDS Sylvie is the one more than likely to reply to your email. I'd > >say she looks after Eastern Europe from what I remember her telling ME which > >does include Croatia but perhaps she specialises in Slovakia. If you email > >either one they will reply to your emails. Sylvie will also send you out a > >pamplet on Croatian genealogy if you ask her. > > > >I was also told by Mr Edlund that all filming had ceased in Croatia and that > >they had no plans on doing any more at this stage. > > > >Regards > >Mary > > > > --

I met Thomas Edlund at the FEEFHS conference, where he did one of the two presentations on Croatia. He indicated in that presentation that LDS responds to pressure in the sense of choosing projects for filming. If the Croatian genealogists assembled and lobbied LDS for anything in particular, the Croatian genealogists might possibly get it. How about filming the records of the Austrian navy? You think Austria didn't have a navy because it was and is a landlocked state? Remember who controlled Croatia during the 19th century and you will know where the Austrian navy came from. With many of the officers and men being Croatian, I think the meticulous records kept by the Austrian government of their service personnel would provide us genealogists with huge amounts of information about our naval ancestors. How about this list starts discussing what records we'd really love to have access to without travelling to Austria or Croatia to get them, and discuss then the lobbying effort needed to get LDS to provide those records? Modestly, but pleased with my late night brilliance, Ashley >Thomas Edlund is the gentleman who organised the filming of Croatia >http://feefhs.org/fij/fij-tom1.html http://feefhs.org/cro/frg-hr.html if you >email the LDS Sylvie is the one more than likely to reply to your email. I'd >say she looks after Eastern Europe from what I remember her telling ME which >does include Croatia but perhaps she specialises in Slovakia. If you email >either one they will reply to your emails. Sylvie will also send you out a >pamplet on Croatian genealogy if you ask her. > >I was also told by Mr Edlund that all filming had ceased in Croatia and that >they had no plans on doing any more at this stage. > >Regards >Mary > --

I would check for the nearest church of your ancestors faith, and then use the procedures outlined via FEEHS to find information on your family. You have a good start just knowing where they originated. Good luck, Dave On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:10:02 -0600 "Musiov, Tony" <Tony_Musiov@bmc.com> writes: > Hi, > > I'm writing from Australia,but i'm doing my research on my > Croatia > ancestry. > I've tried the LDS Films to no avail. > Problem is that my Ancestors (Surname MUSIOV) are from Slobodnica. > My > Grandfather and Great-Grandfather both lived and died in > Slobodnica. > > As i mentioned i have tried the LDS Microfilm to no avail. > No Musiov anywhere on the Net. > How else can i possibly find some sort of information on them. > I thought maby the local Church in Slobodnica. > > Any suggestion or assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards Tony > >

Hi, I'm writing from Australia,but i'm doing my research on my Croatia ancestry. I've tried the LDS Films to no avail. Problem is that my Ancestors (Surname MUSIOV) are from Slobodnica. My Grandfather and Great-Grandfather both lived and died in Slobodnica. As i mentioned i have tried the LDS Microfilm to no avail. No Musiov anywhere on the Net. How else can i possibly find some sort of information on them. I thought maby the local Church in Slobodnica. Any suggestion or assistance would be greatly appreciated. Regards Tony

What type of Croatian pamphlet does she send? Is it an LDS publication---one of their country studies or a word list or what? If it's an LDS publication, that would be new and of interest to me! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryanne Lawrie" <m.lawrie@walter.net.au> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] LDS question > > Thomas Edlund is the gentleman who organised the filming of Croatia > http://feefhs.org/fij/fij-tom1.html http://feefhs.org/cro/frg-hr.html if you > email the LDS Sylvie is the one more than likely to reply to your email. I'd > say she looks after Eastern Europe from what I remember her telling ME which > does include Croatia but perhaps she specialises in Slovakia. If you email > either one they will reply to your emails. Sylvie will also send you out a > pamplet on Croatian genealogy if you ask her. > > I was also told by Mr Edlund that all filming had ceased in Croatia and that > they had no plans on doing any more at this stage. > > Regards > Mary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: amy davis [mailto:amy@syndromedist.com] > Sent: Monday, 4 March 2002 3:13 PM > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] LDS question > > > hi! > > when i called and asked for sylvie, they told me that sylvie handles > slovakia, > not croatia. my understanding is that thomas edlund handles the croatian > area. > > Frank Kurchina wrote: > > > Tania & John Mahoney wrote: > > > > > > Hi Paul > > > > > > This lady Sylvie has helped me with the film numbers for Korcula. I > think > > > she is the international person re films at the LDS church head office . > > > > > > Her email is attached also the family search site is > www.familysearch.org > > > and on this you can put in a place and it will give you film numbers. > They > > > have recently added new films that are not online last time I looked, > they > > > are the ones I got from Sylvie. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Regards Tania Mahoney (nee Matulovich) > > > PysnakovaSx@ldschurch.org > > > > Yes. > > > > There is also a International desk 800 number for LDS HQ in Salt Lake > > City UT USA. > > > > You can ask Sylvie Pysnaková where the LDS microfilm numbers for Marija > > Bistrica might be located ? > > >From US a toll free number 1-800-453-3860, extension 2881. > > > > => (1707-1920) <= > > Metrical books (births, marriages, deaths, status animarum) for the > > Roman Catholic congregation at Marija Bistrica, Zágráb megye, Hungary; > > now Marija Bistrica, Croatia. > > Text in Latin and Croatian. > > (under 10 microfilm numbers in the FHL catalog) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul F. Kisak" <kki@visuallink.com> > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:21 PM > > > Subject: [CROATIA-L] LDS question > > > > > > Hello Frank, > > > > > > Do you or anybody else have any idea > > > where I could go to have the best chance of > > > finding these LDS records. > > > > > > Can you check on line for locations that carry the films numbers? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > The LDS filmed the R.C. parish church records (1707-1920) > > > for Marija Bistrica, Zágráb, Hungary; now Marija Bistrica, > > > Croatia. > > > (Marija Bistrica is located 16 miles NNE of Zagreb (city) > > > Text in Latin and Croatian. > > > > > > film # > > > 1536611-1536615 > > > 1922158-1922163 >

Hello Paul If you go to the LDS web page www.familysearch.org you will see a section there called :"Find family history centre closest to you". Click on this and put in the country and state you live in it will come up with the areas closest to you. It's best to ring them first to find out the days and times they are open. More than likely the film will need to be ordered in and can take upto 3 months depending on if anyone else is reading them. The cost is minimal. Here in Australia you get to read the films for 3 months as they are European ones and can be much harder to read. Good luck I hope you find what you are looking for. Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul F. Kisak" <kki@visuallink.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:21 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] LDS question > > > Hello Frank, > > Do you or anybody else have any idea > where I could go to have the best chance of > finding these LDS records. > > Can you check on line for locations that carry the films numbers? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > The LDS filmed the R.C. parish church records (1707-1920) > for Marija Bistrica, Zágráb, Hungary; now Marija Bistrica, > Croatia. > (Marija Bistrica is located 16 miles NNE of Zagreb (city) > Text in Latin and Croatian. > > film # > 1536611-1536615 > 1922158-1922163 > > > > > >