Amy, Nice to hear from you again. That e-mail which you ask for where I live might be in the 3,000 uncleared ones which I am slowly trying to read and delete. Since you ask, I am in Milwaukee. You probably wrote earlier also where you live but I don't recall? Are you in Illinois, as we have a lot of cousins there? Do let me know when you'll be visiting in Wisconsin. We have all those names in common, maybe a connection will turn up. Regards, Ashley >hi ashley! > >i am still hoping to find out where you live. ashland and bayfield >counties are >where my family are from, though the croatian half went to illinois >first. dick >mihalek knows many of my relatives. i hope to meet him this summer >when i go to >wisconsin for a visit. > >take care, >amy > >Ashley Tiwara wrote: > >> Please contact the Moquah Voice for more information about these >> individuals, not me, for I do not know them. I am just forwarding >> the information to this list in hopes of helping others find their >> relatives and ancestors. > > The Moquah Heritage Society has been organized for about 20 > > y --

hi ashley! i am still hoping to find out where you live. ashland and bayfield counties are where my family are from, though the croatian half went to illinois first. dick mihalek knows many of my relatives. i hope to meet him this summer when i go to wisconsin for a visit. take care, amy Ashley Tiwara wrote: > Please contact the Moquah Voice for more information about these > individuals, not me, for I do not know them. I am just forwarding > the information to this list in hopes of helping others find their > relatives and ancestors. > The Moquah Heritage Society has been organized for about 20 > years and their publication, the Ethnic Voice, now comes out > quarterly. The families mentioned are usually from Bayfield county, > sometimes from Ashland county. Most of the ethnicity seems to be > Slovene, with some Croatian, and some other. > The Ethnic Voice > 27630 County C > Washburn, WI 54891 715) 373-5868 > e-mail valhalla@cheqnet.net > jgrek@cheqnet.net > Washburn is on Chequamegon Bay of Lake Superior. Moquah is in the > blue hills about 30 miles south of there. All of it is beautiful > country. > > Ashley > > summarized from the spring 2002 issue of the Voice: > In Memoriam > > VLASTY WHITE, Esther, aged 96, in TX. Daughter of Jacob and Mary > HALJAK VLASTY. > > STROHMEYER PEZDERIC, Cecilia, aged 75, Ashland. > > KERTZ MADOLE, Leona, aged 80, Milwaukee. Daughter of Joseph and > Amalia MURARIK KERTZ. > > MARITA FRANCHEK, Katherine, aged 67, Ashland. > > PUSKARICH HABAS, Mary C., aged 93, at home. Daughter of Matt and > Agnes CINDRICH PUSKARICH. > > ANICH, Thomas M., aged 83, at home. Son of Matt and Cecilia DEVCIC ANICH. > > VLASTY, Paul, aged 76, Mason. Son of Jacob and Mary HALJAK VLASTY. > > LETKO, Rudolph J., aged 84, Ashland. Son of George and Mary Ann DRABIK LETKO. > > KLOBUCHER, Thomas, aged 71, Ashland. Son of John and Mary SPOLAR > KLOBUCHAR. [ transcribing spelling as printed in the Voice ] > > This editon of the Voice includes a cover article on Lidice > and the massacre by a Wisconsin student at the University in Prague, > an article about surviving the Depression by hunting roots and > trapping moles [ the moles brought 5 cents per skinned and dried pelt > ], and about moonshining in the northern counties during the 20's > and 30's. > > --

>to the Croatia list: In case someone knows of this GORZA family, I've posted it to this list. If yo do know of them, please reply to the original sender or to the Slovenia list, not to me. Ashley >X-Original-Sender: bbergin76@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 12:12:07 2002 >To: SLOVENIA-L@rootsweb.com > >Hi, > >I'm new to this list. I'm trying to research my family >history and I've hit a bit of a roadblock with the >last name Gorza. I was able to find two of my >ancestors on the Ellis Island Immigration page but now >I seem to be stuck. I have Adam Gorza born about 1881 >in Marokret, Hungary. I know he was married to someone >named Mary but I don't know her last name. They had a >daughter Anna who was born on July 20, 1906 in >Markovoi, Slovenia. I know they had at least one other >daughter, Christina but I don't know anything about >her. Awhile back I posted to a message board and a >couple people responded back that these places don't >exist or at least don't exist anymore. Does anyone >know about any Gorza's? Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance. > >===== >--Brian Bergin >-- bbergin76@yahoo.com > --

Please contact the Moquah Voice for more information about these individuals, not me, for I do not know them. I am just forwarding the information to this list in hopes of helping others find their relatives and ancestors. The Moquah Heritage Society has been organized for about 20 years and their publication, the Ethnic Voice, now comes out quarterly. The families mentioned are usually from Bayfield county, sometimes from Ashland county. Most of the ethnicity seems to be Slovene, with some Croatian, and some other. The Ethnic Voice 27630 County C Washburn, WI 54891 715) 373-5868 e-mail valhalla@cheqnet.net jgrek@cheqnet.net Washburn is on Chequamegon Bay of Lake Superior. Moquah is in the blue hills about 30 miles south of there. All of it is beautiful country. Ashley summarized from the spring 2002 issue of the Voice: In Memoriam VLASTY WHITE, Esther, aged 96, in TX. Daughter of Jacob and Mary HALJAK VLASTY. STROHMEYER PEZDERIC, Cecilia, aged 75, Ashland. KERTZ MADOLE, Leona, aged 80, Milwaukee. Daughter of Joseph and Amalia MURARIK KERTZ. MARITA FRANCHEK, Katherine, aged 67, Ashland. PUSKARICH HABAS, Mary C., aged 93, at home. Daughter of Matt and Agnes CINDRICH PUSKARICH. ANICH, Thomas M., aged 83, at home. Son of Matt and Cecilia DEVCIC ANICH. VLASTY, Paul, aged 76, Mason. Son of Jacob and Mary HALJAK VLASTY. LETKO, Rudolph J., aged 84, Ashland. Son of George and Mary Ann DRABIK LETKO. KLOBUCHER, Thomas, aged 71, Ashland. Son of John and Mary SPOLAR KLOBUCHAR. [ transcribing spelling as printed in the Voice ] This editon of the Voice includes a cover article on Lidice and the massacre by a Wisconsin student at the University in Prague, an article about surviving the Depression by hunting roots and trapping moles [ the moles brought 5 cents per skinned and dried pelt ], and about moonshining in the northern counties during the 20's and 30's. --

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Mary Hegarty wrote: > > I'm thinking now that my grandmother's name may have been Pavkovic or > Paskovic. This seems to be quite a common name. Does anyone have any > information on either? Also what about Canada as a port of entry? > Mary Hegarty Some emigrants transhipped to Canada through the Ellis Island (NYC) port of entry. You would not know this of course unless you were reviewing an image copy of a ship manifest and read Transhipped to xxx Canada written over surnames under 'Final Destination in U.S.' column. CANADIAN GENEALOGY PAGES http://www-personal.umich.edu/%7Ecgaunt/canada.html#CANADIAN In EIR, letters v, s, r, etc could easily have been misread in ship manifest by transcribers. In U.S. there are probably 100+ surname Paskovic (Paskovich) bearers versus 150+ surname Pavkovic (Pavkovich)

I'm thinking now that my grandmother's name may have been Pavkovic or Paskovic. This seems to be quite a common name. Does anyone have any information on either? Also what about Canada as a port of entry? Mary Hegarty

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Carick" <ccarick@andersonbdg.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Caric & Buratovic > Searching for these sur-names. I know that my grandfather came to America in > the early 1900's. Though his WWI Navy records said that he came from > Dalmatia, Austria. I know that he was from Hvar. Not sure on my > grand-mother's last name of Buratovic (Buratovitch). Hvar would have been part of Dalmatia Austria prior to 1918. LDS Church (Mormon) Family History Center has microfilm records for Hvar 1516-1870 There are 349 listings for CARIC! Here are some of the online phone listings for CARIC on Otok (Island) of Hvar NAME TOWN ADDRESS PHONE CARIC AMBROZ HVAR, KRIZNA LUKA BB (+385) 21 741 630 CARIC AMBROZ HVAR, FABRIKA 12 (+385) 21 741 258 CARIC ANTE HVAR, BURAK 27 (+385) 21 741 305 CARIC ANTUN SVIRCE, SVIRCE BB (+385) 98 720 335 CARIC ANTUN ANTIN IVAN DOLAC, IVAN DOLAC BB (+385) 21 767 140 CARIC ANTUN BELJAKOV IVAN DOLAC, IVAN DOLAC BB (+385) 21 767 104 CARIC ANTUN DIPL.INZ., POLJOPRIVREDNA LJEKARNA JELSA, BRACE BATOS BB (+385) 21 761 467 CARIC ANTUN P.BOZE SVIRCE, SVIRCE BB (+385) 21 768 024 CARIC ANTUN P.NIKOLE VRISNIK, VRISNIK BB (+385) 21 768 471 CARIC ANTUN P.TOME IVAN DOLAC, IVAN DOLAC BB (+385) 21 767 164 CARIC ANTUN, POLJOPRIVREDNA LJEKARNA, DIPL.ING. JELSA, BRACE BATOS BB (+385) 21 761 467 CARIC BARTUL STARI GRAD, MARKA MARULICA 6 (+385) 21 765 661 CARIC BORIS BORISOV SVIRCE, SVIRCE BB (+385) 21 768 101 CARIC DAMIR HVAR, BURAK BB (+385) 21 742 354 There are also some BURATOVIC listings on Hvar. Church address and phone info: ZUPNI URED SV.STJEPANA PAPE I MUCENIKA ZUPNI URED SV.STJEPANA PAPE I MUCENIKA TRG SV. STJEPANA 1, 21450 HVAR, Croatia 385 (21) 742 160 You can find links at site below for phone books, LDS and much more. http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html Robert Jerin

Searching for these sur-names. I know that my grandfather came to America in the early 1900's. Though his WWI Navy records said that he came from Dalmatia, Austria. I know that he was from Hvar. Not sure on my grand-mother's last name of Buratovic (Buratovitch). Thanks in advance from any help. Carl Carick

My map shows it just off the road a little way out of Karlovac on the way to Metlika----- Original Message ----Donald Marinkovich From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin@adelphia.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #48 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Walnick" <pjw143pat@netscape.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:07 AM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #48 > > > > Does anyone out there know of a town/village called Piscetke in Croatia? > It is in the vicinity of Netretic and Karlovac areas. I have searched the > internet and maps of Croatia to no avail. If there is a map and info out > there, please notify me how I might obtain or view this map. Any help would > be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance. Pat > > Hello Pat, > > Piscetke is indicated by the red star on this mapquest map > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=45.5500&lo > ngitude=15.4167 > > And is at the top of this map link > > http://www.kakarigi.net/maps/028.jpg > > It can also be found of the old 1910 Hungarian county maps, by selecting > Zagrab and setting bottom browser bar all the way left and the side bar to > mid point, if you look below Eravcu you will see it sp. Piscetki on this > map. These are nice old maps that inc topography of the area. > > http://www.familytree.hu/ > > Robert Jerin > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html >

Piscetke (I left out the diacritical marks) is about 13 km NW of Karlovac. Netretic is on highway 6 out of Karlovac, but Piscetke is off the main highway. This was from the Freytag & Berndt road atlas of Croatia (Hrvatska). I bought it when I was in Croatia, but it's probably available from one of the big online bookstores. I could scan the particular page if that's all you need. Let me know. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Pat Walnick [mailto:pjw143pat@netscape.net] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:08 AM To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #48 Does anyone out there know of a town/village called Piscetke in Croatia? It is in the vicinity of Netretic and Karlovac areas. I have searched the internet and maps of Croatia to no avail. If there is a map and info out there, please notify me how I might obtain or view this map. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance. Pat CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >CROATIA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 48 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca [Mary Hegarty <mhegarty@cybertron.c] > #2 Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca [Mary Hegarty <mhegarty@cybertron.c] > #3 Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca [Frank Kurchina <frankur@worldnet.a] > #4 Re: [CROATIA-L] Fw: BAD VIRUS ["ray" <restraile@talon.net>] > #5 [CROATIA-L] Great-grandpa and Elli [Ashley Tiwara <grubisic@netwurx.ne] > #6 [CROATIA-L] Fwd: Siftar, Skraban, [Ashley Tiwara <grubisic@netwurx.ne] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from CROATIA-D, send a message to > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ > -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Walnick" <pjw143pat@netscape.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #48 > Does anyone out there know of a town/village called Piscetke in Croatia? It is in the vicinity of Netretic and Karlovac areas. I have searched the internet and maps of Croatia to no avail. If there is a map and info out there, please notify me how I might obtain or view this map. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance. Pat Hello Pat, Piscetke is indicated by the red star on this mapquest map http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=45.5500&lo ngitude=15.4167 And is at the top of this map link http://www.kakarigi.net/maps/028.jpg It can also be found of the old 1910 Hungarian county maps, by selecting Zagrab and setting bottom browser bar all the way left and the side bar to mid point, if you look below Eravcu you will see it sp. Piscetki on this map. These are nice old maps that inc topography of the area. http://www.familytree.hu/ Robert Jerin http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html

(Please) To the kind attention of Mr F. Kurchina Your explanations are really complete and clear...I study Political Science in Rome, Italy, and I'd like to know whether you take your useful information from ONE SINGLE book or from many books all-together...ok, I think you take them also from the Internet...but... Could you possibly give me some titles (or maybe, even just one title!) of the books you use/used to learn about the situation in the so-called Balcan area/Central Eastern Europe? Thanx a lot, Jacopo Longo (-Lalli), Italy jakovll@libero.it

Pat: Check out the following on the Jewish Geneaology site: http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~shtetl According to them, Piscetke is located 33 miles wsw of Zagreb, which is the Karvolac area, and the coordinates are 4533 1525. Mapquest places it here: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=45.5500 &longitude=15.4167 John Batusic On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:07:43 -0500 pjw143pat@netscape.net (Pat Walnick) writes: > Does anyone out there know of a town/village called Piscetke in > Croatia? It is in the vicinity of Netretic and Karlovac areas. I > have searched the internet and maps of Croatia to no avail. If there > is a map and info out there, please notify me how I might obtain or > view this map. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you > in advance. Pat > > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >Content-Type: text/plain > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >CROATIA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 48 > > > >Today's Topics: > > #1 Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca [Mary Hegarty > <mhegarty@cybertron.c] > > #2 Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca [Mary Hegarty > <mhegarty@cybertron.c] > > #3 Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca [Frank Kurchina > <frankur@worldnet.a] > > #4 Re: [CROATIA-L] Fw: BAD VIRUS ["ray" > <restraile@talon.net>] > > #5 [CROATIA-L] Great-grandpa and Elli [Ashley Tiwara > <grubisic@netwurx.ne] > > #6 [CROATIA-L] Fwd: Siftar, Skraban, [Ashley Tiwara > <grubisic@netwurx.ne] > > > >Administrivia: > >To unsubscribe from CROATIA-D, send a message to > > > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your > software > >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > >______________________________ > > > -- > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Does anyone out there know of a town/village called Piscetke in Croatia? It is in the vicinity of Netretic and Karlovac areas. I have searched the internet and maps of Croatia to no avail. If there is a map and info out there, please notify me how I might obtain or view this map. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance. Pat CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >CROATIA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 48 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca [Mary Hegarty <mhegarty@cybertron.c] > #2 Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca [Mary Hegarty <mhegarty@cybertron.c] > #3 Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca [Frank Kurchina <frankur@worldnet.a] > #4 Re: [CROATIA-L] Fw: BAD VIRUS ["ray" <restraile@talon.net>] > #5 [CROATIA-L] Great-grandpa and Elli [Ashley Tiwara <grubisic@netwurx.ne] > #6 [CROATIA-L] Fwd: Siftar, Skraban, [Ashley Tiwara <grubisic@netwurx.ne] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from CROATIA-D, send a message to > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ > -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

>Thought this might interest someone and am forwarding it to the >list. Please respond to the original sender, listed immediately >below, and at the bottom of the posting, not me. Ashley >X-Original-Sender: genieb@ptdprolog.net Sun Mar 10 12:20:18 2002 >From: "Genie Marie" <genieb@ptdprolog.net> >X-Loop: SLOVENIA-L@rootsweb.com > >SKRABAN, Theresa 1888-1967 Murska Sobota YUG (Slovenia)>NorthamptonCO, >Bethlehem PA USA >KOVACS, Joseph 1886-1965 Austria/HUN>NorthamptonCO, Bethlehem PA USA > >KOVACH, KOVACS: James born Veszprem Megye area in HUN, a farmer. >Believe his wife's maiden name was NEMETH. There were at least two >children: Joseph 1886-1965 and Mary. Mary married and stayed in >Hungary.Joseph came to the USA early 1900's.He later switch surname >spelling from Kovach to Kovacs. >Joseph's wife: Terezija M. SKRABAN 1888-1967 Murska Sobota, YUG >(Slovenia) Her mother's maiden name was SIFTAR, father was Joseph >SKRABAN > >Theresa's birth certificate listed her parents as farmers. The >certificate shows the address as Strukovci st.21. If the translation >from her birth certificate is correct, her godparents were Stefan >GYERJEK and Lajos SINIC. I have no info on them but their names. > >Children of Joseph and Theresa Kovacs: >1. Joseph, Jr: 1909-1942 spouse Reiter >2. Katherine: 1912-1978 spouse Konya >3. Frank: 1915-1965 spouse Grabar >4. James: 1916-1937 >5. Alex: 1919-1969 spouse Scheirer >6. Stephen: 1922-1979 spouse Schwartz >7. Mary: 1924-1937 >8. John: 1926-1992 spouse Romig >9. Charles: 1928-1999 spouse Schrantz >10. William > >It is believed Terezija had relatives living in Carbon CO, Palmerton >area. According to his birth >certificate, the eldest son was born in Carbon CO. I have no paperwork >but believe he was also baptized in Palmerton. > >If anyone has any additions or corrections, please contact me >privately. Thank you > >Take care >Genie Marie >genieb@ptdprolog.net >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5238/ >Kovacs, Skraban, Siftar - Schwartz, Urban - >Evans, Williams, Eustis --

>Frank and Robert, especially, also anyone with thoughts about Ellis and Croatian returnees, I took another look at the ship manifest when Great-grandpa Filip PETROVIC accompanied his daughter, Matilda, and his grandson, Jerolim, to America in 1909. They travelled on the Mauritania and arrived at Ellis 21 May 1909 headed for Canton to join Grandpa, Juraji GRUBISIC. Great-grandpa is recorded in the manifest as being 5 feet, 8 inches tall, with brown hair and blue eyes, which I didn't know. He also is recorded as having been in Roslyn 1904 to 1907. This has to be Roslyn, Washington, where he headed again after dropping off Grandma in Illinois, according to what she told me about 60 years later. At some point he acquired black lung and went back to Croatia, either just before WW1 or during it, and died there. She never saw him again or her only sister / only sibling or mother either. She cried when she told me. All those years. I've been unable to find him earlier on the Ellis site. If, Frank, you've got nothing at all to do tonight, could you take a look and possibly spell his name more creatively than I? Phillip PETROVICH is the most obvious but I did not turn him up. Would he have come in in Baltimore or Philly or Galveston even? Or is he just lurking at Ellis in some misspelt corner? He's from Sunger, in the Mrkopalj valley, sometimes misread as Linger or Lunger and I thought he was born in 1855 but the manifest suggests 1865. Thanks for any help. I wanted to quote just that part of Mary's message thanking Frank and Robert, because of the wonderful and free efforts that they make for all of us. More than half my subscribed lists have been abused by a blatant advertisment, posted by a self serving and out for profit spammer. I'm glad that isn't the attitude of the many helpful people on this list, especially our list owner, and our Croatian museum spokesman. With appreciation for their help especially, Ashley >Thanks Frank and Robert for all your help. I'm off to Slovenia! >I have a question though. What about other ports of entry? My mother was >born in NYC but that doesn't neccessarily mean her parents came through >Ellis Island. Also, does anyone have any suggestions about searching the >1910 census? >Mary Hegarty --

That BAD VIRUS is a HOAX!!! Pay no attention to it. This is from Symantec, the antivirus people. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni Olson" <otoni@earthlink.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 08:59 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Fw: BAD VIRUS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ljk2205 > To: Susan Chant ; Shirley Hoel ; Robert Hoel ; Mike Gibson ; Len Velander ; Lally ; June Gibson ; John Warren Kindt ; Gini Geary ; Donald King ; Debbie ; Archie Gibson III ; Anne Kindt ; Toni Olson ; Robert Sievert ; Lee Albrecht ; Ken Sajdak ; Carol Claybaker ; Bill Lauzon > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 5:52 PM > Subject: Fw: BAD VIRUS > > > Consider yourself warned!! > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:47 PM > Subject: FW: BAD VIRUS > > > > Subject: BAD VIRUS > > > BIGGGG TROUBLE !!!! DO NOT OPEN "WTC Survivor" It is a virus that will erase your whole "C" drive. It will come to you in the form of an E-Mail from a familiar person. I repeat a friend sent it to me, but called and warned me before I opened it. He was not so lucky and now he can't even start his computer! Forward this to everyone in your address book. > Would rather receive this 25 times than not at all. If you receive an email called "WTC Survivor" do not open it. Delete it right away! This virus removes all dynamic link libraries (.dll files) from your computer. > This is a serious one. > > > > > >

Mary Hegarty wrote: > > on 3/9/02 9:18 PM, Robert Jerin at rjerin@adelphia.net wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca > > > > > >> > >> > >> Mary Hegarty wrote: > >>> > >>> on 3/8/02 7:18 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mary Hegarty wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Does anyone know anything about either of these towns? I have located > > A > >>>>> Stefan Fonta (Austrian Croatian) who arrived in NY from Polanjek in > > 1903 and > >>>>> a Maria Fonta (Austrian-Slovak) from Skopeca, Austria' > >>>>> Mary Hegarty > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> In Hungarian and most Slavic languages the letter J is pron. Y. > >>>> For example, Jugoslavija = Yugoslavia. > >>>> > >>>> Polanyek (Palanjek Pokudski) is located 21 miles SSE of Zagreb > >>>> and 9 miles WNW of Petrinja. > >>>> > >>>> Skopeca sounds-like Skoplje (C) Skopie, Skopje (M), Macedonia. > >>>> > >>>> The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia > >>>> and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia. > >>>> > >>>> The problem will be locating any surname Fonta bearers in Europe. > >>>> What is surname ethnicity ? > >>>> Did you mean Austrian-Slovak or Austrian-Slovenian ? > >>>> Before WW I, Slovakia was Hungarian and not Austrian. > >>>> Before WW I, Slovenia was Austrian. > >>> Thank you for the information on Polanjek. I'm actually looking for > > Emil > >>> and Maria Fonta (my grandparents) who should have arrived in NY around > > 1904 > >>> but I can't find any record of their passage. > >>> On my mother's birth certificate it listed their country of birth as > >>> Austria. Stepan Fonta and Maria Fonta are two Fontas that I located > > through > >>> Ellis Island and I thought they might be relatives. Stepan was listed on > > the > >>> Passenger record as Austrian-Croatian and Maria as Austrian-Slovak. For > >>> Maria the address of closest kin looked like Skopeca: 375 Krskaras. > >>> Mary Hegarty > >> > >> First name Maria can be of many nationalities. > >> > >> Emil (E) (H) (Cz) (G) (P) Milo (Sk) > >> > >> 39 surname Fonta are listed at EIR and 18 surnames have Italian > >> given names. > >> > >> When a short surname ends in a letter vowel it can easily from > >> one of the Romance languages, i.e. Italian, French, Spanish, or > >> Portuguese. > >> > >> # 24 Maria, age 17, single, Slovak, 1916 > >> WW I was fought in Europe August 1914-November 1918. > >> There was no official Slovak ethnicity until WW I peace treaty (1920) > >> > > > > Of course Slovak ethnicity existed prior to 1920! There are listings for > > such on Ellis Island ship manifests. Perhaps meant that Slovakia did not > > exist prior to 1920. > > > > "Over 51 million people lived in the 675,000 square kilometres of the > > Austro-Hungarian Empire. The two largest ethnic groups were Germans (10 > > million) and Hungarians (9 million). There were also Poles, Croats, > > Bosnians, Serbians, Italians, Czechs, Ruthenes, Slovenes, Slovaks and > > Romanians. Overall, fifteen different languages were spoken in the > > Austro-Hungarian empire." > > > > Following the 1848-49 revolution "several concessions were made in favor of > > the Slovaks - participation in the Administration of the State and the > > management of communities, the setting up of teaching in Slovak (three high > > schools included), the creation of a national cultural institution, "The > > Matica Slovenska" in 1863, the foundation of the Slovak National Museum, the > > legalization of Slovak as the literary language in Slovakia... " > > > I also wanted to comment about Slovak ethnicity. Frank, you are saying there > was no OFFICIAL Slovak ethnicity prior to 1920 and Robert you are saying > that many people considered themselves Slovaks regardless. > Mary Slovenia had once been part of former Yugoslavia in the Balkans until it gained its independence in 1990s. Slovakia had once been part of Czechoslovakia in Central Europe until it gained its independence in 1993. If you write to Slovenija and don't use Slovenia, the letter gets mailed to Slovakia. If you write to Slovensko (Slovakia) the letter is probably sent to Slovenia. U.S. Postal Service only recognizes these countries under "Slovenia" and "Slovak Republic". Have read any number of pre-WW I ship manifests and 1900/1910/1920 U.S. Census enumeration microfilms where the term Slovak could mean either a Slovak or a Slovenian (depending on how knoweledgeable the writer). There was confusion even back then which contimues into 2001. A Slovenian recently wrote a letter to Slovenia and it ended up in Sierra Leone (Africa, where a civil war is being waged) The letter sat there was a month, before being forwarded to Bratislava, Slovkia, from where is was finally forwarded to the correct address in Ljubljana, Slovenia a month later. A Slovenian had attempted to enter Slovakia on a Slovenian passport and was denied entry. Border guard had never seen a Slovene passport and was convinced it was a forgered Slovakia passport. After conversation with customs supervisor Slovenian was able to convince them that it was a legitimate passport. In 1920, a newly-formed country of Czechoslovakia was created from the Austrian Kronlands (Bohemia, Moravia and Austrian-Silesia) and a portion of Upper-Hungary (Slovakia and Karpatho-Ukraine). (Until this time there was no country called "Czechoslovakia") Czechoslovakia existed from 1920-1938 when it became part of Nazi Germany. Following the end of WW II in 1945 Czechoslovakia was reconstituted as a country back to its pre-war boundaries (less Karpatho-Ukraine which the Soviet Union kept) The C^eskoslovenská Socialisticka Republika (CSR) existed from 1948-1993, when it was divided into two separate countries; the Czech Republic and the Republic of Slovakia. The Slovaks were the first nation to establish an independent state in Central Europe about 624 A.D. The territory of Slovakia was ruled by Slovak Kings. The Czechs were under the rule of the Slovaks from about 889 A.D. to 894 A.D. In the 10th c the Slovak Kingdom was destroyed by an alliance of Magyars, Czechs and Germans. The Magyars ruled Slovakia from 906 A.D. to 1918 A.D., nearly a thousand years of pain and suffering (according to some) Have never met a Hungarian who accepted the fact that there ever had been a Slovakia since Magyars had always ruled the territory until the WW I (Trianon) peace treaty in 1920. In 1848, the Slovaks had declared their independence from Hungary, but the Hungarian Revolution (1848-1849) had failed because of the intervention of Russian troops by Tsar Nicholas I. During the second half of the 19th century the Magyars had eliminated Slovak national institutions and schools. Magyars also declared the non-existence of a Slovak nation. http://genealogy.ijp.si/default.htm http://www.columbia.edu/cu/sipa/REGIONAL/ECE/slovenia.html http://www.angelfire.com/wa/gorsha/ http://genforum.genealogy.com/slovenia/

on 3/9/02 9:18 PM, Robert Jerin at rjerin@adelphia.net wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca > > >> >> >> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>> >>> on 3/8/02 7:18 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know anything about either of these towns? I have located > A >>>>> Stefan Fonta (Austrian Croatian) who arrived in NY from Polanjek in > 1903 and >>>>> a Maria Fonta (Austrian-Slovak) from Skopeca, Austria' >>>>> Mary Hegarty >>>> >>>> >>>> In Hungarian and most Slavic languages the letter J is pron. Y. >>>> For example, Jugoslavija = Yugoslavia. >>>> >>>> Polanyek (Palanjek Pokudski) is located 21 miles SSE of Zagreb >>>> and 9 miles WNW of Petrinja. >>>> >>>> Skopeca sounds-like Skoplje (C) Skopie, Skopje (M), Macedonia. >>>> >>>> The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia >>>> and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia. >>>> >>>> The problem will be locating any surname Fonta bearers in Europe. >>>> What is surname ethnicity ? >>>> Did you mean Austrian-Slovak or Austrian-Slovenian ? >>>> Before WW I, Slovakia was Hungarian and not Austrian. >>>> Before WW I, Slovenia was Austrian. >>> Thank you for the information on Polanjek. I'm actually looking for > Emil >>> and Maria Fonta (my grandparents) who should have arrived in NY around > 1904 >>> but I can't find any record of their passage. >>> On my mother's birth certificate it listed their country of birth as >>> Austria. Stepan Fonta and Maria Fonta are two Fontas that I located > through >>> Ellis Island and I thought they might be relatives. Stepan was listed on > the >>> Passenger record as Austrian-Croatian and Maria as Austrian-Slovak. For >>> Maria the address of closest kin looked like Skopeca: 375 Krskaras. >>> Mary Hegarty >> >> First name Maria can be of many nationalities. >> >> Emil (E) (H) (Cz) (G) (P) Milo (Sk) >> >> 39 surname Fonta are listed at EIR and 18 surnames have Italian >> given names. >> >> When a short surname ends in a letter vowel it can easily from >> one of the Romance languages, i.e. Italian, French, Spanish, or >> Portuguese. >> >> # 24 Maria, age 17, single, Slovak, 1916 >> WW I was fought in Europe August 1914-November 1918. >> There was no official Slovak ethnicity until WW I peace treaty (1920) >> > > Of course Slovak ethnicity existed prior to 1920! There are listings for > such on Ellis Island ship manifests. Perhaps meant that Slovakia did not > exist prior to 1920. > > "Over 51 million people lived in the 675,000 square kilometres of the > Austro-Hungarian Empire. The two largest ethnic groups were Germans (10 > million) and Hungarians (9 million). There were also Poles, Croats, > Bosnians, Serbians, Italians, Czechs, Ruthenes, Slovenes, Slovaks and > Romanians. Overall, fifteen different languages were spoken in the > Austro-Hungarian empire." > > Following the 1848-49 revolution "several concessions were made in favor of > the Slovaks - participation in the Administration of the State and the > management of communities, the setting up of teaching in Slovak (three high > schools included), the creation of a national cultural institution, "The > Matica Slovenska" in 1863, the foundation of the Slovak National Museum, the > legalization of Slovak as the literary language in Slovakia... " > I also wanted to comment about Slovak ethnicity. Frank, you are saying there was no OFFICIAL Slovak ethnicity prior to 1920 and Robert you are saying that many people considered themselves Slovaks regardless. Mary