jacopo longo wrote: > > Hello to everybody ! > I read a few months ago (nov. 2001) that the European Central Bank decided that Euro should be the official currency used in Montenegro, Andorra and Kossovo... > I wonder how this decision was possible, as Montenegro used to belong to the Federal Republic of Jugoslavia...I know that now they are deciding for Jugoslavia to be called Federation of Serbia and Montenegro(or something like that) thus underlining Montenegro's autonomy...but M.o still belongs to a federated State whose currency is not Euro! > Does anyone know anything about this matter? > Thanks a lot, > Jacopo Longo, Roma, Italy > jakovll@libero.it > jlongo@tiscali.it > This month Serbia and Montenegro agreed to a lose federation to be called Serbia and Montenegro. However, negotiators were unable to overcome two issues that have stood in the way of any agreement. 1) foreign and defense policy 2) economic and political autonomy The European Union has conducted the negotiations, worried about stability in the Balkans if Montenegro separated from Serbia. For now, Montenegro will continue to use the euro instead of the Yugoslav dinar, as its currency and will keep control over its own customs regulations. And what exactly would you now classify Kossvo as being ? An enclave, an autonomous region, a ?

Thanks-a-million Robert. This is what makes this computer worth having. That web page will keep me going for quite some time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin@adelphia.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #54 > Hello Donald, > > The places mentioned Piscetke, Netretic, and/or Karlovac are not in > Zumberak! Zumberak begins on the a few miles or so on other side of the > Kupa. There is an excellent map which shows Zumberak at the web page below, > click on Gdje je Zumberak (where is Zumberak) then click on Kostanjevac in > the center of the map, this will narrow it down to Zumberak, which begins at > about Krasic, birthplace of Kardinal Stepinac. > > http://zumberak.wigloo.com/ > > Saint Nicholas Byzantine Church in Cleveland was founded by Zumbercani. > Midwest Croatians has an article online about this historic church > > http://www.midwest-croatians.org/ > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > Robert Jerin > Cleveland, Ohio > Croatian Heritage Museum > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don" <djedo@2z.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #54 > > > > Hi, a lot of our local zumbercani, here in Chisholm, MN came from that > area, > > which sur names are you researching? My perants came from the other end, > > closer to Samobor. > > Donald Marinkovich > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat Walnick" <pjw143pat@netscape.net> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:59 PM > > Subject: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #54 > > > > > > > Would anyone out there know of where in Croatia I can write to > concerning > > birth, marriage, and death records for pre-1900 records and also for the > > time period of 1900-1910. I do not know the exact town or village except > > that it is in or in close proximity to Piscetke, Netretic, and/or > Karlovac. > > I have narrowed it down to these places with no further info at this time. > I > > am looking for addresses if this is possible. Thank you for any help one > can > > provide. Sincerely, Pat > > > > > > > > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > >Content-Type: text/plain > > > > > > > >CROATIA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 54 > > > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > #1 [CROATIA-L] YUGOSLAVIA ["ray" <restraile@talon.net>] > > > > > > > >Administrivia: > > > >To unsubscribe from CROATIA-D, send a message to > > > > > > > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > > > > > unsubscribe > > > > > > > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > > > >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > > > > >______________________________ > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > > Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! > > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > > > >

Hello Donald, The places mentioned Piscetke, Netretic, and/or Karlovac are not in Zumberak! Zumberak begins on the a few miles or so on other side of the Kupa. There is an excellent map which shows Zumberak at the web page below, click on Gdje je Zumberak (where is Zumberak) then click on Kostanjevac in the center of the map, this will narrow it down to Zumberak, which begins at about Krasic, birthplace of Kardinal Stepinac. http://zumberak.wigloo.com/ Saint Nicholas Byzantine Church in Cleveland was founded by Zumbercani. Midwest Croatians has an article online about this historic church http://www.midwest-croatians.org/ http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html Robert Jerin Cleveland, Ohio Croatian Heritage Museum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <djedo@2z.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #54 > Hi, a lot of our local zumbercani, here in Chisholm, MN came from that area, > which sur names are you researching? My perants came from the other end, > closer to Samobor. > Donald Marinkovich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Walnick" <pjw143pat@netscape.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:59 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #54 > > > > Would anyone out there know of where in Croatia I can write to concerning > birth, marriage, and death records for pre-1900 records and also for the > time period of 1900-1910. I do not know the exact town or village except > that it is in or in close proximity to Piscetke, Netretic, and/or Karlovac. > I have narrowed it down to these places with no further info at this time. I > am looking for addresses if this is possible. Thank you for any help one can > provide. Sincerely, Pat > > > > > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > >Content-Type: text/plain > > > > > >CROATIA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 54 > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > #1 [CROATIA-L] YUGOSLAVIA ["ray" <restraile@talon.net>] > > > > > >Administrivia: > > >To unsubscribe from CROATIA-D, send a message to > > > > > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > > > unsubscribe > > > > > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > > >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > > >______________________________ > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > >

Hi, a lot of our local zumbercani, here in Chisholm, MN came from that area, which sur names are you researching? My perants came from the other end, closer to Samobor. Donald Marinkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Walnick" <pjw143pat@netscape.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] RE: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #54 > Would anyone out there know of where in Croatia I can write to concerning birth, marriage, and death records for pre-1900 records and also for the time period of 1900-1910. I do not know the exact town or village except that it is in or in close proximity to Piscetke, Netretic, and/or Karlovac. I have narrowed it down to these places with no further info at this time. I am looking for addresses if this is possible. Thank you for any help one can provide. Sincerely, Pat > > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >Content-Type: text/plain > > > >CROATIA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 54 > > > >Today's Topics: > > #1 [CROATIA-L] YUGOSLAVIA ["ray" <restraile@talon.net>] > > > >Administrivia: > >To unsubscribe from CROATIA-D, send a message to > > > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > >______________________________ > > > -- > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ >

oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before his family. i wonder why people would use someone else's name? Mary Hegarty wrote: > on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > > > > > >> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > >>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for naturalization? > >>> > >>> > >> > >> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but when he > >> was > >> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he used > >> on > >> his naturalization papers. > >> > >> Joan > >> > > > > Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > > Chuck > But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > Mary

Would anyone out there know of where in Croatia I can write to concerning birth, marriage, and death records for pre-1900 records and also for the time period of 1900-1910. I do not know the exact town or village except that it is in or in close proximity to Piscetke, Netretic, and/or Karlovac. I have narrowed it down to these places with no further info at this time. I am looking for addresses if this is possible. Thank you for any help one can provide. Sincerely, Pat CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain > >CROATIA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 54 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [CROATIA-L] YUGOSLAVIA ["ray" <restraile@talon.net>] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from CROATIA-D, send a message to > > CROATIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ > -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > > record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for naturalization? > > > > > > My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but when he > was > naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he used > on > his naturalization papers. > > Joan > Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. Chuck

In a message dated 3/17/2002 7:19:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, amy@syndromedist.com writes: > have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for naturalization? > > My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but when he was naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he used on his naturalization papers. Joan

on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > > >> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his >>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for naturalization? >>> >>> >> >> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but when he >> was >> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he used >> on >> his naturalization papers. >> >> Joan >> > > Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > Chuck But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? Mary

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Virovitica on 3/17/02 9:13 AM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: >> >> on 3/17/02 7:37 AM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>>> >>>> What a difference a letter makes. I started to search under Fanta instead >>>> of >>>> Fonta and I found my grandmother's passenger record! Marie Fanta arrived >>>> with two of the children on Mar. 3, 1909 from Virovitica. She was going to >>>> join her husband Emil in White Plains, NY. On the map of Croatia I noticed >>>> that Virovitica is close to Hungary and it looks like a relatively large >>>> town or city. The one thing that's puzzling though is I still can't find >>>> Emil's passenger record. >>>> Mary Hegarty >>> >>> Yes. >>> The ship manifest listed Last Residence as Virovitica, but more >>> important it also listed her place of birth as Virovitica. >>> >>> >>> The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1686-1900) >>> for Veröcze (also known as Veroviditz, Verovicza, or Veroviticza), >>> Slavonien, Austria; later Verocze, Verocze megye (county), Hungary; >>> now Virovitica, Croatia. >>> Text in Latin and Croatian. >>> >>> film # >>> 1738864 >>> 1738865 >>> 1738866 >>> 1738867 >>> 1738878 >>> 1738879 >>> 1738880 >>> 2120511 >>> 2120512 >>> >>> >>> These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing >>> at any Family History Center (FHC) worldwide. >>> 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research. >>> >>> LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS >>> http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp >>> >>> Virovitica >>> http://www.ring.net/virovitica/eng/ >> Yes, I'm going to get into those records asap. But what happened after 1900? >> I also noticed that on the manifest her mother is listed as maybe Cath ? >> looks like Pavkolovic. >> Mary H > > In 1945, all birth, marriage, and death records held by > churches in Croatia were turned over to the civil authorities > and were deposited with the 'opc'ina' (community city office). > For small villages or places that did not have a city office - > the opc'ina would then be in the next largest village or town. > Most of these church records end before WW I. > > Churches were allowed to keep only baptismal records and Status > Animarun (i.e. Stanju Dusa (Status of Souls) - the so-called > "Knjiga Dusa" - "A Book of Souls". > This is a census-like document listing family memebers; i.e. a > genealogical record of any one generation and lists the man and > woman upon marriage and each child as born ; commented if emigrated > or had died. > > Any birth and death records older than 1860 were turned over > to the Croatian historical archives.My understanding is that all > religious records had been collected in State Archives, located at: > Varaz^din, Zagreb, Bjelovar, Pazin, Rijeka, Karlovac, Zadar, Split, > Dubrovnik, Sisak, Slavonski Brod, and Osijek. > (most records end in the 1880s) > > > For post-1900 surname records you will need to write the civil > registry office serving Virovitica and in the Croatian language. > They will reply to your inquiry in Croatian as well. > > > address : > > Matic^ni ured, Z^upanija Virovitic^ko-Podra > Trg Ljudevita Patac^ic'a 1 > 33000 Virovitica > Hrvatska (Croatia) > > ------------------------------------------- > Registry office for Virovitic^ko-Podra county > address 1 L P Square > PSC or ZIP code for Virovitica > Croatia > ------------------------------------------- Frank, Thank you for the microfilm numbers. I was surprised there are two FHCs near me in the Florida panhandle. Now all I need is a course in Croatian! Mary Hello Mary, No need to speak Croatian. Just refer to Tom Ninkovich's tutorial on how to read those records. http://www.croatia-in-english.com/index.html Robert Jerin

the names could be misspelled in two ways-one, when they gave their name and two, when the records were transcribed for the internet. my great-grandmother came over with an uncle who was already living in pittsburgh, pa. because the writing is so hard to read, the transcriber clearly had to guess at what his name was. so i have no idea who he is and pittsburgh is too large even in 1910 to try to go through the census records. also i think that it is important to read over the actual manifest because i found a case where the transcriber put that the person's age was 17, but the manifest clearly show them as 19! i have never been able to find my great-grandfather either, although it is certainly possible that he came through another port. finally, i have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for naturalization?

on 3/17/02 10:09 AM, Robert Jerin at rjerin@adelphia.net wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:18 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Virovitica > > > on 3/17/02 7:37 AM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >> >> >> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>> >>> What a difference a letter makes. I started to search under Fanta instead > of >>> Fonta and I found my grandmother's passenger record! Marie Fanta arrived >>> with two of the children on Mar. 3, 1909 from Virovitica. She was going > to >>> join her husband Emil in White Plains, NY. On the map of Croatia I > noticed >>> that Virovitica is close to Hungary and it looks like a relatively large >>> town or city. The one thing that's puzzling though is I still can't find >>> Emil's passenger record. >>> Mary Hegarty >> >> Yes. >> The ship manifest listed Last Residence as Virovitica, but more >> important it also listed her place of birth as Virovitica. >> >> >> The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1686-1900) >> for Veröcze (also known as Veroviditz, Verovicza, or Veroviticza), >> Slavonien, Austria; later Verocze, Verocze megye (county), Hungary; >> now Virovitica, Croatia. >> Text in Latin and Croatian. >> >> film # >> 1738864 >> 1738865 >> 1738866 >> 1738867 >> 1738878 >> 1738879 >> 1738880 >> 2120511 >> 2120512 >> >> >> These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing >> at any Family History Center (FHC) worldwide. >> 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research. >> >> LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS >> http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp >> >> Virovitica >> http://www.ring.net/virovitica/eng/ > Yes, I'm going to get into those records asap. But what happened after 1900? > I also noticed that on the manifest her mother is listed as maybe Cath ? > looks like Pavkolovic. > > Hello Mary, > > Did you notice that there is citizenship info (numbers and dates) for > Mathilde and Jula written on the ship manifest? That should help you in > finding their citizenship paperwork. > > I would almost agree that it is Pavkolovic however that surname is not > found anywhere in Croatia, in the current online phone books. Nor are there > any listings at Ellis Island for that surname. However the surname > PAVLEKOVIC is found in Croatia and also in Virovitca area. Perhaps the > surname is from the male given name Pavle=Paul, the IC ending means son of. > > As far as Emil's ship manifest, I looked and looked under various sp and > found none. A few possiblities exist why you can not find him listed: > > 1) his name has been grossly mis-transcribed > > 2) he did not arrive through Ellis Island > > 3) he came on someone else's passport! > > Here is another immigrant listing, where you can search. > > http://istg.rootsweb.com/ > > > Robert Jerin Robert, I saw those numbers but I had no idea what they meant. When and how are these citzenship numbers assigned? Going back to the Emil Fanta mystery, I can't imagine how someone could get such a simple name wrong but I'm sure it happens. I'm going to check Canada first, I think and I guess he could have used someone else's passport but he must have had his 8 year son, Charles with him. I can't find any record of him either. Also when I was looking through the death Index I found an Emil and Charles Fanta. The DOBs didn't work, Emil was born in 1908 and Charles in 1897, but the death residence locatlities were the same - Vernon, WI. Cousins maybe? Mary

on 3/17/02 9:13 AM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: >> >> on 3/17/02 7:37 AM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>>> >>>> What a difference a letter makes. I started to search under Fanta instead >>>> of >>>> Fonta and I found my grandmother's passenger record! Marie Fanta arrived >>>> with two of the children on Mar. 3, 1909 from Virovitica. She was going to >>>> join her husband Emil in White Plains, NY. On the map of Croatia I noticed >>>> that Virovitica is close to Hungary and it looks like a relatively large >>>> town or city. The one thing that's puzzling though is I still can't find >>>> Emil's passenger record. >>>> Mary Hegarty >>> >>> Yes. >>> The ship manifest listed Last Residence as Virovitica, but more >>> important it also listed her place of birth as Virovitica. >>> >>> >>> The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1686-1900) >>> for Veröcze (also known as Veroviditz, Verovicza, or Veroviticza), >>> Slavonien, Austria; later Verocze, Verocze megye (county), Hungary; >>> now Virovitica, Croatia. >>> Text in Latin and Croatian. >>> >>> film # >>> 1738864 >>> 1738865 >>> 1738866 >>> 1738867 >>> 1738878 >>> 1738879 >>> 1738880 >>> 2120511 >>> 2120512 >>> >>> >>> These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing >>> at any Family History Center (FHC) worldwide. >>> 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research. >>> >>> LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS >>> http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp >>> >>> Virovitica >>> http://www.ring.net/virovitica/eng/ >> Yes, I'm going to get into those records asap. But what happened after 1900? >> I also noticed that on the manifest her mother is listed as maybe Cath ? >> looks like Pavkolovic. >> Mary H > > In 1945, all birth, marriage, and death records held by > churches in Croatia were turned over to the civil authorities > and were deposited with the 'opc'ina' (community city office). > For small villages or places that did not have a city office - > the opc'ina would then be in the next largest village or town. > Most of these church records end before WW I. > > Churches were allowed to keep only baptismal records and Status > Animarun (i.e. Stanju Dusa (Status of Souls) - the so-called > "Knjiga Dusa" - "A Book of Souls". > This is a census-like document listing family memebers; i.e. a > genealogical record of any one generation and lists the man and > woman upon marriage and each child as born ; commented if emigrated > or had died. > > Any birth and death records older than 1860 were turned over > to the Croatian historical archives.My understanding is that all > religious records had been collected in State Archives, located at: > Varaz^din, Zagreb, Bjelovar, Pazin, Rijeka, Karlovac, Zadar, Split, > Dubrovnik, Sisak, Slavonski Brod, and Osijek. > (most records end in the 1880s) > > > For post-1900 surname records you will need to write the civil > registry office serving Virovitica and in the Croatian language. > They will reply to your inquiry in Croatian as well. > > > address : > > Matic^ni ured, Z^upanija Virovitic^ko-Podra > Trg Ljudevita Patac^ic'a 1 > 33000 Virovitica > Hrvatska (Croatia) > > ------------------------------------------- > Registry office for Virovitic^ko-Podra county > address 1 L P Square > PSC or ZIP code for Virovitica > Croatia > ------------------------------------------- Frank, Thank you for the microfilm numbers. I was surprised there are two FHCs near me in the Florida panhandle. Now all I need is a course in Croatian! Mary

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Virovitica on 3/17/02 7:37 AM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: >> >> What a difference a letter makes. I started to search under Fanta instead of >> Fonta and I found my grandmother's passenger record! Marie Fanta arrived >> with two of the children on Mar. 3, 1909 from Virovitica. She was going to >> join her husband Emil in White Plains, NY. On the map of Croatia I noticed >> that Virovitica is close to Hungary and it looks like a relatively large >> town or city. The one thing that's puzzling though is I still can't find >> Emil's passenger record. >> Mary Hegarty > > Yes. > The ship manifest listed Last Residence as Virovitica, but more > important it also listed her place of birth as Virovitica. > > > The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1686-1900) > for Veröcze (also known as Veroviditz, Verovicza, or Veroviticza), > Slavonien, Austria; later Verocze, Verocze megye (county), Hungary; > now Virovitica, Croatia. > Text in Latin and Croatian. > > film # > 1738864 > 1738865 > 1738866 > 1738867 > 1738878 > 1738879 > 1738880 > 2120511 > 2120512 > > > These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing > at any Family History Center (FHC) worldwide. > 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research. > > LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS > http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp > > Virovitica > http://www.ring.net/virovitica/eng/ Yes, I'm going to get into those records asap. But what happened after 1900? I also noticed that on the manifest her mother is listed as maybe Cath ? looks like Pavkolovic. Hello Mary, Did you notice that there is citizenship info (numbers and dates) for Mathilde and Jula written on the ship manifest? That should help you in finding their citizenship paperwork. I would almost agree that it is Pavkolovic however that surname is not found anywhere in Croatia, in the current online phone books. Nor are there any listings at Ellis Island for that surname. However the surname PAVLEKOVIC is found in Croatia and also in Virovitca area. Perhaps the surname is from the male given name Pavle=Paul, the IC ending means son of. As far as Emil's ship manifest, I looked and looked under various sp and found none. A few possiblities exist why you can not find him listed: 1) his name has been grossly mis-transcribed 2) he did not arrive through Ellis Island 3) he came on someone else's passport! Here is another immigrant listing, where you can search. http://istg.rootsweb.com/ Robert Jerin

on 3/17/02 7:37 AM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: >> >> What a difference a letter makes. I started to search under Fanta instead of >> Fonta and I found my grandmother's passenger record! Marie Fanta arrived >> with two of the children on Mar. 3, 1909 from Virovitica. She was going to >> join her husband Emil in White Plains, NY. On the map of Croatia I noticed >> that Virovitica is close to Hungary and it looks like a relatively large >> town or city. The one thing that's puzzling though is I still can't find >> Emil's passenger record. >> Mary Hegarty > > Yes. > The ship manifest listed Last Residence as Virovitica, but more > important it also listed her place of birth as Virovitica. > > > The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1686-1900) > for Veröcze (also known as Veroviditz, Verovicza, or Veroviticza), > Slavonien, Austria; later Verocze, Verocze megye (county), Hungary; > now Virovitica, Croatia. > Text in Latin and Croatian. > > film # > 1738864 > 1738865 > 1738866 > 1738867 > 1738878 > 1738879 > 1738880 > 2120511 > 2120512 > > > These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing > at any Family History Center (FHC) worldwide. > 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research. > > LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS > http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp > > Virovitica > http://www.ring.net/virovitica/eng/ Yes, I'm going to get into those records asap. But what happened after 1900? I also noticed that on the manifest her mother is listed as maybe Cath ? looks like Pavkolovic. Mary H

Mary Hegarty wrote: > > on 3/17/02 7:37 AM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > > > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > >> > >> What a difference a letter makes. I started to search under Fanta instead of > >> Fonta and I found my grandmother's passenger record! Marie Fanta arrived > >> with two of the children on Mar. 3, 1909 from Virovitica. She was going to > >> join her husband Emil in White Plains, NY. On the map of Croatia I noticed > >> that Virovitica is close to Hungary and it looks like a relatively large > >> town or city. The one thing that's puzzling though is I still can't find > >> Emil's passenger record. > >> Mary Hegarty > > > > Yes. > > The ship manifest listed Last Residence as Virovitica, but more > > important it also listed her place of birth as Virovitica. > > > > > > The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1686-1900) > > for Veröcze (also known as Veroviditz, Verovicza, or Veroviticza), > > Slavonien, Austria; later Verocze, Verocze megye (county), Hungary; > > now Virovitica, Croatia. > > Text in Latin and Croatian. > > > > film # > > 1738864 > > 1738865 > > 1738866 > > 1738867 > > 1738878 > > 1738879 > > 1738880 > > 2120511 > > 2120512 > > > > > > These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing > > at any Family History Center (FHC) worldwide. > > 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research. > > > > LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS > > http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp > > > > Virovitica > > http://www.ring.net/virovitica/eng/ > Yes, I'm going to get into those records asap. But what happened after 1900? > I also noticed that on the manifest her mother is listed as maybe Cath ? > looks like Pavkolovic. > Mary H In 1945, all birth, marriage, and death records held by churches in Croatia were turned over to the civil authorities and were deposited with the 'opc'ina' (community city office). For small villages or places that did not have a city office - the opc'ina would then be in the next largest village or town. Most of these church records end before WW I. Churches were allowed to keep only baptismal records and Status Animarun (i.e. Stanju Dusa (Status of Souls) - the so-called "Knjiga Dusa" - "A Book of Souls". This is a census-like document listing family memebers; i.e. a genealogical record of any one generation and lists the man and woman upon marriage and each child as born ; commented if emigrated or had died. Any birth and death records older than 1860 were turned over to the Croatian historical archives.My understanding is that all religious records had been collected in State Archives, located at: Varaz^din, Zagreb, Bjelovar, Pazin, Rijeka, Karlovac, Zadar, Split, Dubrovnik, Sisak, Slavonski Brod, and Osijek. (most records end in the 1880s) For post-1900 surname records you will need to write the civil registry office serving Virovitica and in the Croatian language. They will reply to your inquiry in Croatian as well. address : Matic^ni ured, Z^upanija Virovitic^ko-Podra Trg Ljudevita Patac^ic'a 1 33000 Virovitica Hrvatska (Croatia) ------------------------------------------- Registry office for Virovitic^ko-Podra county address 1 L P Square PSC or ZIP code for Virovitica Croatia -------------------------------------------

What a difference a letter makes. I started to search under Fanta instead of Fonta and I found my grandmother's passenger record! Marie Fanta arrived with two of the children on Mar. 3, 1909 from Virovitica. She was going to join her husband Emil in White Plains, NY. On the map of Croatia I noticed that Virovitica is close to Hungary and it looks like a relatively large town or city. The one thing that's puzzling though is I still can't find Emil's passenger record. Mary Hegarty

Mary Hegarty wrote: > > What a difference a letter makes. I started to search under Fanta instead of > Fonta and I found my grandmother's passenger record! Marie Fanta arrived > with two of the children on Mar. 3, 1909 from Virovitica. She was going to > join her husband Emil in White Plains, NY. On the map of Croatia I noticed > that Virovitica is close to Hungary and it looks like a relatively large > town or city. The one thing that's puzzling though is I still can't find > Emil's passenger record. > Mary Hegarty Yes. The ship manifest listed Last Residence as Virovitica, but more important it also listed her place of birth as Virovitica. The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1686-1900) for Veröcze (also known as Veroviditz, Verovicza, or Veroviticza), Slavonien, Austria; later Verocze, Verocze megye (county), Hungary; now Virovitica, Croatia. Text in Latin and Croatian. film # 1738864 1738865 1738866 1738867 1738878 1738879 1738880 2120511 2120512 These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing at any Family History Center (FHC) worldwide. 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research. LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp Virovitica http://www.ring.net/virovitica/eng/

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hi! i have two people that i will be visiting in milwaukee. i hope that we can figure out our connection before then. i live in san diego. amy Ashley Tiwara wrote: > Amy, > Nice to hear from you again. That e-mail which you ask for > where I live might be in the 3,000 uncleared ones which I am slowly > trying to read and delete. Since you ask, I am in Milwaukee. You > probably wrote earlier also where you live but I don't recall? Are > you in Illinois, as we have a lot of cousins there? > Do let me know when you'll be visiting in Wisconsin. We have > all those names in common, maybe a connection will turn up. > > Regards, > Ashley > > >hi ashley! > > > >i am still hoping to find out where you live. ashland and bayfield > >counties are > >where my family are from, though the croatian half went to illinois > >first. dick > >mihalek knows many of my relatives. i hope to meet him this summer > >when i go to > >wisconsin for a visit. > > > >take care, > >amy > > > >Ashley Tiwara wrote: > > > >> Please contact the Moquah Voice for more information about these > >> individuals, not me, for I do not know them. I am just forwarding > >> the information to this list in hopes of helping others find their > >> relatives and ancestors. > > > The Moquah Heritage Society has been organized for about 20 > > > y > > --