Cnt0712@aol.com wrote: > > I have searched for almost 10 years trying to locate the ship my husband's > great grandfather came on. I found the ship manifest records at Ellis Island > for his wife and daughter and her brother. However still no luck for > Bronko/Branko Cabunac. Helen Cabunac, Kosta Cabunac, and George Djakovich > came in 1912. Bronko came just prior to that with his son Gustav. I am > guessing he came around 1910 or 1911. After reading the email on Le Harve now > I wonder if Bronko did not come that route. Gustav would be around the age of > 4 or 5 years old. My father in law has wondered if Bronko did not leave > Croatia to avoid the war somehow. > > If anyone else has any suggestions please submit them to me. Thank You. > > Kristie I don't understand your question ? There is no magic if surname had used Le Havre as port of exit. In 1910, the following European ports of exit were used by emigrants to U.S. from the Kingdom of Hungary which included Croatia. The ships from these various ports of exit still arrived at the Ellis Island (NYC) port of entry emigration station. Even if passage on ship was easier at Le Havre, unless you know 'alias' surname travelled under you can't locate surname entry in the Ellis Island records. 1910 Genoa, Italy 184 Fiume, Austria 36,834 Trieste, Austria 4,299 Hamburg, Germany 21,261 Bremen, Germany 35,600 Antwerp, Belgium 8,667 Rotterdam, Holland 5,873 Le Havre, France 6,608 Cherbourg, France 6,575

Mary, I suspect you could get on board at LeHavre with any kind of a good story and something that looked like paperwork. And cash. Getting off at Ellis and getting to stay might be another story. Grandma even 60 years later shivered over the worry everyone had, she had, her roommate had, over getting to stay. From the looks of the manifest, Grandma's roommate was not allowed to stay as she is recorded as unlikely to be able to support herself. Grandma also mentioned consumption to me, that anyone with a cough or a cold was in agony lest they be detained and deported for TB. I haven't found that you can do a year by year search at Ellis but the search engine is somewhat manipulable. Once you get into the files, you can change the year range or do a year by year search. It works best when they are not busy and also when your computer is free of multi-tasking. Frank has very good reusults searching. Perhaps he could comment on that question, and also on the most likely times in 24 hours to not get bumped. Ashley > > >Ashley, What a great story. That's interesting about Leharve. Do you think >someone could use someone else's identity traveling with an eight year old? >Also, can you search Ellis Island by year? >Mary Hegarty >on 3/21/02 11:58 PM, Ashley Tiwara at grubisic@netwurx.net wrote: > >> One of the questions I asked Thomas Edlund about at the FEEFHS >> conference was whether married men were subject to the draft, >> pre-WW1. He more or less said that they usually wouldn't be called >> up, that single men were a priority, but that unless they'd completed >> their military service, they would not be allowed to have permission >> to leave the country. >> The question came up because my grandfather, Juraji GRUBISIC, >> borrowed the papers of Thomas STARCEVIC to leave the area controlled >> by Austria. He was married in 1906 and I had thought he would not >> have been draftable, but legally this wasn't so. Since he hadn't >> served in the military, he would have been denied a passport. To get >> out of the country, which he did in 1907, he needed to borrow his >> cousin's papers. Or at least, Grandpa's aunt was married to a >> STARCEVIC so I think he used her son or grandson's papers. >> Interestingly, on the ship's manifest is a note that these >> weren't his papers. Ellis doesn't list Grandpa under his own name >> though, just under his cousin's name. When Grandpa got his >> naturalization papers in the 1920's, this same note shows up on those >> papers, that Grandpa arrived using someone else's papers. It did >> make it easier for me to find him at the Ellis site and I certainly >> would have wondered why he didn't show up at all as a GRUBISIC. >> I can be pretty sure that the STARCEVIC of 1907 is Grandpa >> because he says he's going to visit a friend, Lovro GRUBISIC. This >> is actually his older brother Lawrence. >> Grandpa came thru Le Havre. Several presenters at the FEEFHS >> conference mentioned Le Havre as the port of choice if you had poorly >> drawn or defective papers. It seems that this French port was the >> preferred embarkation point for those who wanted to get away with the >> fewest questions asked. Just what one would need with borrowed >> papers. >> >> Anyone else researching GRUBISIC or STARCEVIC from the hill >> towns east of Rijeka? Or PETROVIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMIC, >> CERNICH, or KAUZLARIC, and many more names from the area also? >> >> Regards, > > Ashley > --

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: > > > My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He > > did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. > > Diane Koss > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > > > > > >> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before > > his > >> family. > >> > >> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? > >> > >> Mary Hegarty wrote: > >> > >>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > >>> > >>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > >>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > >>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for > > naturalization? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but > > when he > >>>>> was > >>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he > > used > >>>>> on > >>>>> his naturalization papers. > >>>>> > >>>>> Joan > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > >>>> Chuck > >>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > >>> Mary > >> > Diane, > Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when > did your father-in-law come to the US? > Mary Hegarty > Hello Mary, Here is a link to Austro-Hungarian Military list, with a thread discussing draft age and marriage http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN-MILITARY/2001-08/09988 62824 Also keep in mind that Austria and Hungary both had their own armies. In 1914 Austria had 40,000 soldiers and Hungary had 30,000. There was also the Imperial and Royal Army that was drawn from all parts of the Empire. The 350,000 men in this army gave their allegiance direct to Emperor Franz Josef. Recruits for all three armies were obtained by conscription. Robert Jerin

My second oldest sister had her 100 th birthday in June. She told us that when Pa came home from his 3 years in Franz Jose;phs' army he had acape with a bright red lining, a sword and a picture of Franz Joseph on a white horse on a battle field with dead soldiers all over the place. It covered a whole door. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Austrian draft pre-WW1 > on 3/21/02 11:58 PM, Ashley Tiwara at grubisic@netwurx.net wrote: > > > One of the questions I asked Thomas Edlund about at the FEEFHS > > conference was whether married men were subject to the draft, > > pre-WW1. He more or less said that they usually wouldn't be called > > up, that single men were a priority, but that unless they'd completed > > their military service, they would not be allowed to have permission > > to leave the country. > > The question came up because my grandfather, Juraji GRUBISIC, > > borrowed the papers of Thomas STARCEVIC to leave the area controlled > > by Austria. He was married in 1906 and I had thought he would not > > have been draftable, but legally this wasn't so. Since he hadn't > > served in the military, he would have been denied a passport. To get > > out of the country, which he did in 1907, he needed to borrow his > > cousin's papers. Or at least, Grandpa's aunt was married to a > > STARCEVIC so I think he used her son or grandson's papers. > > Interestingly, on the ship's manifest is a note that these > > weren't his papers. Ellis doesn't list Grandpa under his own name > > though, just under his cousin's name. When Grandpa got his > > naturalization papers in the 1920's, this same note shows up on those > > papers, that Grandpa arrived using someone else's papers. It did > > make it easier for me to find him at the Ellis site and I certainly > > would have wondered why he didn't show up at all as a GRUBISIC. > > I can be pretty sure that the STARCEVIC of 1907 is Grandpa > > because he says he's going to visit a friend, Lovro GRUBISIC. This > > is actually his older brother Lawrence. > > Grandpa came thru Le Havre. Several presenters at the FEEFHS > > conference mentioned Le Havre as the port of choice if you had poorly > > drawn or defective papers. It seems that this French port was the > > preferred embarkation point for those who wanted to get away with the > > fewest questions asked. Just what one would need with borrowed > > papers. > > > > Anyone else researching GRUBISIC or STARCEVIC from the hill > > towns east of Rijeka? Or PETROVIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMIC, > > CERNICH, or KAUZLARIC, and many more names from the area also? > > > > Regards, > > Ashley > > > > > > > >> on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: > >> > >>> My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He > >>> did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. > >>> Diane Koss > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> > >>> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > >>> > >>> > >>>> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before > >>> his > >>>> family. > >>>> > >>>> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? > >>>> > >>>> Mary Hegarty wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > >>>>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > >>>>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for > >>> naturalization? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but > >>> when he > >>>>>>> was > >>>>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he > >>> used > >>>>>>> on > >>>>>>> his naturalization papers. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Joan > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > >>>>>> Chuck > >>>>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > >>>>> Mary > >>>> > >> Diane, > >> Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when > >> did your father-in-law come to the US? > >> Mary Hegarty > > > Ashley, What a great story. That's interesting about Leharve. Do you think > someone could use someone else's identity traveling with an eight year old? > Also, can you search Ellis Island by year? > Mary Hegarty >

on 3/21/02 11:58 PM, Ashley Tiwara at grubisic@netwurx.net wrote: > One of the questions I asked Thomas Edlund about at the FEEFHS > conference was whether married men were subject to the draft, > pre-WW1. He more or less said that they usually wouldn't be called > up, that single men were a priority, but that unless they'd completed > their military service, they would not be allowed to have permission > to leave the country. > The question came up because my grandfather, Juraji GRUBISIC, > borrowed the papers of Thomas STARCEVIC to leave the area controlled > by Austria. He was married in 1906 and I had thought he would not > have been draftable, but legally this wasn't so. Since he hadn't > served in the military, he would have been denied a passport. To get > out of the country, which he did in 1907, he needed to borrow his > cousin's papers. Or at least, Grandpa's aunt was married to a > STARCEVIC so I think he used her son or grandson's papers. > Interestingly, on the ship's manifest is a note that these > weren't his papers. Ellis doesn't list Grandpa under his own name > though, just under his cousin's name. When Grandpa got his > naturalization papers in the 1920's, this same note shows up on those > papers, that Grandpa arrived using someone else's papers. It did > make it easier for me to find him at the Ellis site and I certainly > would have wondered why he didn't show up at all as a GRUBISIC. > I can be pretty sure that the STARCEVIC of 1907 is Grandpa > because he says he's going to visit a friend, Lovro GRUBISIC. This > is actually his older brother Lawrence. > Grandpa came thru Le Havre. Several presenters at the FEEFHS > conference mentioned Le Havre as the port of choice if you had poorly > drawn or defective papers. It seems that this French port was the > preferred embarkation point for those who wanted to get away with the > fewest questions asked. Just what one would need with borrowed > papers. > > Anyone else researching GRUBISIC or STARCEVIC from the hill > towns east of Rijeka? Or PETROVIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMIC, > CERNICH, or KAUZLARIC, and many more names from the area also? > > Regards, > Ashley > > > >> on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: >> >>> My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He >>> did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. >>> Diane Koss >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> >>> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records >>> >>> >>>> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before >>> his >>>> family. >>>> >>>> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? >>>> >>>> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>>> >>>>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, >>>>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his >>>>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for >>> naturalization? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but >>> when he >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he >>> used >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> his naturalization papers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joan >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. >>>>>> Chuck >>>>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? >>>>> Mary >>>> >> Diane, >> Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when >> did your father-in-law come to the US? >> Mary Hegarty > Ashley, What a great story. That's interesting about Leharve. Do you think someone could use someone else's identity traveling with an eight year old? Also, can you search Ellis Island by year? Mary Hegarty

One of the questions I asked Thomas Edlund about at the FEEFHS conference was whether married men were subject to the draft, pre-WW1. He more or less said that they usually wouldn't be called up, that single men were a priority, but that unless they'd completed their military service, they would not be allowed to have permission to leave the country. The question came up because my grandfather, Juraji GRUBISIC, borrowed the papers of Thomas STARCEVIC to leave the area controlled by Austria. He was married in 1906 and I had thought he would not have been draftable, but legally this wasn't so. Since he hadn't served in the military, he would have been denied a passport. To get out of the country, which he did in 1907, he needed to borrow his cousin's papers. Or at least, Grandpa's aunt was married to a STARCEVIC so I think he used her son or grandson's papers. Interestingly, on the ship's manifest is a note that these weren't his papers. Ellis doesn't list Grandpa under his own name though, just under his cousin's name. When Grandpa got his naturalization papers in the 1920's, this same note shows up on those papers, that Grandpa arrived using someone else's papers. It did make it easier for me to find him at the Ellis site and I certainly would have wondered why he didn't show up at all as a GRUBISIC. I can be pretty sure that the STARCEVIC of 1907 is Grandpa because he says he's going to visit a friend, Lovro GRUBISIC. This is actually his older brother Lawrence. Grandpa came thru Le Havre. Several presenters at the FEEFHS conference mentioned Le Havre as the port of choice if you had poorly drawn or defective papers. It seems that this French port was the preferred embarkation point for those who wanted to get away with the fewest questions asked. Just what one would need with borrowed papers. Anyone else researching GRUBISIC or STARCEVIC from the hill towns east of Rijeka? Or PETROVIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMIC, CERNICH, or KAUZLARIC, and many more names from the area also? Regards, Ashley >on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: > >> My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He >> did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. >> Diane Koss >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> >> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records >> >> >>> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before >> his >>> family. >>> >>> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? >>> >>> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>> >>>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, >>>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his >>>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for >> naturalization? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but >> when he >>>>>> was >>>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he >> used >>>>>> on >>>>>> his naturalization papers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joan >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. >>>>> Chuck >>>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? >>>> Mary >>> >Diane, >Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when >did your father-in-law come to the US? >Mary Hegarty --

on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: > My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He > did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. > Diane Koss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > > >> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before > his >> family. >> >> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? >> >> Mary Hegarty wrote: >> >>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, >>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his >>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for > naturalization? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but > when he >>>>> was >>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he > used >>>>> on >>>>> his naturalization papers. >>>>> >>>>> Joan >>>>> >>>> >>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. >>>> Chuck >>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? >>> Mary >> Diane, Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when did your father-in-law come to the US? Mary Hegarty

Mary, I do not know anything about the Austrian Army, other than my husband's grandfather left to avoid the draft, as told to me by his son, my F.I.L. He assumed the identity of Tomo Kos, a 30 year old married man from Ludbreg in order to leave Croatia. (I figured this out by working backwards from his "Declaration of Intention" for naturalization and looking through Ellis Island's records.) When he arrived at Ellis Island on 16 March 1903 he was really 18 years old and not married. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: > > > My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He > > did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. > > Diane Koss > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > > > > > >> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before > > his > >> family. > >> > >> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? > >> > >> Mary Hegarty wrote: > >> > >>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > >>> > >>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > >>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > >>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for > > naturalization? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but > > when he > >>>>> was > >>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he > > used > >>>>> on > >>>>> his naturalization papers. > >>>>> > >>>>> Joan > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > >>>> Chuck > >>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > >>> Mary > >> > Diane, > Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when > did your father-in-law come to the US? > Mary Hegarty >

>I'm forwarding this because I think I recall some traffic last >summer about GASPER on this list. If anyone knows the names, could >you please contact the origional poster directly? I do not have any >knowledge of the names mentioned, I'm just forwarding this hoping >someone can help the poster make a connection. Ashley >From: Mtnbikewidow@aol.com >X-Loop: PENNSYLVANIA-L@rootsweb.com > > >I'm reading your interesting information about Laura/Lydia, and just have to >say that at least you have some information about them.... I can't get past >the Census on my ggrandparents. Can't find any vital records on them, no >church records, can't find any distant relatives who have information about >them. I think they were ghosts! > >Anyway, if anyone knows any info. about: > >GASPER/GASPAR-George & Anna (SHOLTIS/SHOLTESZ) >immigrated in 1878 from Aust/Slo/Hung? >lived in Coxeville/Hazleton, PA >George d.-1939 Anna d.-1943 >children: George, Helen, Margaret, John, Joseph, Mary, Andrew > >I would greatly appreciate any information about them, or if you are related, >love to hear from you! Thanks! Lori > --

Joe Staugaitis wrote: > > Dragi Jakove, > > Ne moras se izvinit. Sto se mene tice, sto si pital nema problema... > > Pozdrav, > Osipic' riguardo a non c'è problema en ce qui concerne lui n'y a aucun problème > ----- > At 10:38 AM 3/20/02 +0100, jacopo longo wrote: > >I'm sorry, it was just an attempt, I thought I could post it all the same. > >Would you accept my apologies. > >Jacopo Longo > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Robert Jerin <rjerin@adelphia.net> > >To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:52 PM > >Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Euro and Montenegro > > > > > >> This has nothing to do with Croatia nor genealogy! > >> > >> Search Google.com for "Euro Montenegro" and you will find some articles > >> about that subject. > >> > >> http://www.google.com/ > >> > >> Robert Jerin > > > > > >

Dragi Jakove, Ne moras se izvinit. Sto se mene tice, sto si pital nema problema... Pozdrav, Osipic' ----- At 10:38 AM 3/20/02 +0100, jacopo longo wrote: >I'm sorry, it was just an attempt, I thought I could post it all the same. >Would you accept my apologies. >Jacopo Longo > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Robert Jerin <rjerin@adelphia.net> >To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:52 PM >Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Euro and Montenegro > > >> This has nothing to do with Croatia nor genealogy! >> >> Search Google.com for "Euro Montenegro" and you will find some articles >> about that subject. >> >> http://www.google.com/ >> >> Robert Jerin > > >

I'm sorry, it was just an attempt, I thought I could post it all the same. Would you accept my apologies. Jacopo Longo ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Jerin <rjerin@adelphia.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Euro and Montenegro > This has nothing to do with Croatia nor genealogy! > > Search Google.com for "Euro Montenegro" and you will find some articles > about that subject. > > http://www.google.com/ > > Robert Jerin

This has nothing to do with Croatia nor genealogy! Search Google.com for "Euro Montenegro" and you will find some articles about that subject. http://www.google.com/ Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "jacopo longo" <jakovll@libero.it> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:22 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Euro and Montenegro > Hello to everybody ! > I read a few months ago (nov. 2001) that the European Central Bank decided that Euro should be the official currency used in Montenegro, Andorra and Kossovo... > I wonder how this decision was possible, as Montenegro used to belong to the Federal Republic of Jugoslavia...I know that now they are deciding for Jugoslavia to be called Federation of Serbia and Montenegro(or something like that) thus underlining Montenegro's autonomy...but M.o still belongs to a federated State whose currency is not Euro! > Does anyone know anything about this matter? > Thanks a lot, > Jacopo Longo, Roma, Italy > jakovll@libero.it > jlongo@tiscali.it > >

the exact name of the actor is 'Toni Mihajlovski' with a 'j' and not an 'i' after the '-ha' ... J.L.

God knows what Kossovo is or can be considered like! Thanx a lot, as usual, Jacopo Longo btw: have you ever seen the film 'Cabaret Balkan'/'The powder keg'/'Bure Baruta'/'La Polveriera' ? I liked it and would like to know thew title of the Makedonian song sung by the Makedonian actor Toni Mihailovski during the film, when he and his fiancée are threatened by a man with a gun... do you know, maybe? hvala lijepa, Jacopo :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Kurchina <frankur@worldnet.att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Euro and Montenegro > > > jacopo longo wrote: > > > > Hello to everybody ! > > I read a few months ago (nov. 2001) that the European Central Bank decided that Euro should be the official currency used in Montenegro, Andorra and Kossovo... > > I wonder how this decision was possible, as Montenegro used to belong to the Federal Republic of Jugoslavia...I know that now they are deciding for Jugoslavia to be called Federation of Serbia and Montenegro(or something like that) thus underlining Montenegro's autonomy...but M.o still belongs to a federated State whose currency is not Euro! > > Does anyone know anything about this matter? > > Thanks a lot, > > Jacopo Longo, Roma, Italy > > jakovll@libero.it > > jlongo@tiscali.it > > > This month Serbia and Montenegro agreed to a lose federation to be > called > Serbia and Montenegro. > However, negotiators were unable to overcome two issues that have stood > in the > way of any agreement. > 1) foreign and defense policy > 2) economic and political autonomy > > The European Union has conducted the negotiations, worried about > stability > in the Balkans if Montenegro separated from Serbia. > > For now, Montenegro will continue to use the euro instead of the > Yugoslav dinar, > as its currency and will keep control over its own customs regulations. > > And what exactly would you now classify Kossvo as being ? > An enclave, an autonomous region, a ? > >

Hello to everybody ! I read a few months ago (nov. 2001) that the European Central Bank decided that Euro should be the official currency used in Montenegro, Andorra and Kossovo... I wonder how this decision was possible, as Montenegro used to belong to the Federal Republic of Jugoslavia...I know that now they are deciding for Jugoslavia to be called Federation of Serbia and Montenegro(or something like that) thus underlining Montenegro's autonomy...but M.o still belongs to a federated State whose currency is not Euro! Does anyone know anything about this matter? Thanks a lot, Jacopo Longo, Roma, Italy jakovll@libero.it jlongo@tiscali.it

Koss wrote: > > Also.... he did not use his family surname, Korica, in the US. He kept his > assumed name, Kos. It was interesting though that when he named his 4 boys, > all born in the US, he gave them all the middle name of Korica. Even his > wife was known as Bessie Korica Kos(s). The family was told that Korica was > the real name. That is interesting. A Korica in a sea of Kos(s) In Croatia the surname could have been spelled either Kos or Kos^. There are probably 900-1300 surname Kos bearers just in the U.S. If you add the surname Koss that is another 3500-5000 surnames. The U.S. Social Security Death Index (SSDI) lists only 11 surname Korica. The Croatian telephone directory lists 27 surname Korica just under Zagreb. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koss" <tkoss5@cox.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > > > My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. > He > > did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. > > Diane Koss > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > > > > > > > oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before > > his > > > family. > > > > > > i wonder why people would use someone else's name? > > > > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > > > > > > > on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > > > > JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > > > > >>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for > > naturalization? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but > > when he > > > > >> was > > > > >> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name > he > > used > > > > >> on > > > > >> his naturalization papers. > > > > >> > > > > >> Joan > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > > > > > Chuck > > > > But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > > > > Mary > > > > >

Also.... he did not use his family surname, Korica, in the US. He kept his assumed name, Kos. It was interesting though that when he named his 4 boys, all born in the US, he gave them all the middle name of Korica. Even his wife was known as Bessie Korica Kos(s). The family was told that Korica was the real name. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koss" <tkoss5@cox.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He > did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. > Diane Koss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > > > > oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before > his > > family. > > > > i wonder why people would use someone else's name? > > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > > > > > on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > > > JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > >> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > > > >>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for > naturalization? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but > when he > > > >> was > > > >> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he > used > > > >> on > > > >> his naturalization papers. > > > >> > > > >> Joan > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > > > > Chuck > > > But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > > > Mary > > >

My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. Diane Koss ----- Original Message ----- From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before his > family. > > i wonder why people would use someone else's name? > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > > > on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > > JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > > >> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > > >>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for naturalization? > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but when he > > >> was > > >> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he used > > >> on > > >> his naturalization papers. > > >> > > >> Joan > > >> > > > > > > Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > > > Chuck > > But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > > Mary >