At 02:53 PM 5/9/2002, you wrote: >The surname Ocvirk also appears in Croatia . >I found no surname Ocvirak. Frank, Thank you! I do have the SSDI, but I didn't have the naturalization information. And thank you for the information about the alternate spelling. That will certainly help broaden my search. Best wishes, Jackie Researching: ~~~~~~~Poland~~~~~~~ ADAMOWICZ - BANASZEK - BURDA CIEBIEN~ - MAZIK - HOJNACKI MIKULSKI / MIKOLSKY - KROL / KRUL ~~~~~~~Croatia~~~~~~~ OCVIRAK - SNEPERGER

"Jackie (nee Adamowicz)" wrote: > > Greetings, > > I am researching: > > OCVIRAK > > Peter Ocvirak (b. 1889) > son of John and Barbara Ocvirak > Lived near Samobor > emigrated to U.S. early 1900's > > married Agnes Sneperger and settled in Cleveland, OH > > If anyone has any information that might be of help, I'd really appreciate it. > > Thank you, > Jackie The U.S. Social Security Death Index (SSDI) lists a Peter Ocvirak (1889-1973) under Cleveland Cuyhoga Co OHIO. Was Peter naturalized ? A Gyuro Ocvirak (b. 1887) Cleveland Cuyhoga Co OHIO was naturalized in 1911. The surname Ocvirk also appears in Croatia . I found no surname Ocvirak. > > Researching: > ~~~~~~~Poland~~~~~~~ > ADAMOWICZ - BANASZEK - BURDA > CIEBIEN~ - MAZIK - HOJNACKI > MIKULSKI / MIKOLSKY - KROL / KRUL > ~~~~~~~Croatia~~~~~~~ > OCVIRAK - SNEPERGER

dave9759@juno.com wrote: > > Would Berkova be a variation of Brkic or Brkova? 223 surnames Brkic emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island 1892-1924. They were were Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Austria, and Hungary. Some emigrants changed names after arrival in the U.S. Don't expect that Berkova was a variation of Brkova. Why would a Brkic' (Brkich) change name to Brkova ? For example, hundreds of surname Brkic' bearers in Croatia. Brk means 'moustache' in Croatian. > On Wed, 08 May 2002 07:16:47 -0600 Frank Kurchina > <frankur@worldnet.att.net> writes: > > > > > > Den wrote: > > > > > > Hi group, > > > > > > I am looking for the origin of a family by the name of Berkova. My > > great > > > grandmother was Mary Berkova, does any one have an idea on a > > region where > > > this family could have come from? Any information would be great. > > > thanks > > > Denis Markovich > > > markos@in-tch.com > > > > One of most common Slavic surname affixes is the one denoting > > gender > > of the bearer -ova, -owa (Polish), and -oba (Russian). > > > > As a rule of Slavic grammar, female surnames end in -a, -ska, or > > -ova. > > The feminine form of the surnames is considered merely a separate > > form > > of same surname, not a distinct surname in itself. > > > > Have to assume you are seeking the surname Berk or Berko, rather > > than > > Berkova. > > Having said that, Berkova can be a Czech-Bohemian surname. > > > > If your great GM emigrated to U.S. in what year ? > > 267 surnames Berk emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island (NYC) > > 1892-1924. > > And 133 surnames Berko as well. > > > > v > > Frank Kurcina > > > >

In answer to "Croatian Hot Spots" Our family were started out in 1910 in the mines in Colorado where there was a large Croatian (then called Austria-Dalmatia) settlement. Mine work brought them to Globe, Arizona, as well. Others of their family were in New York City and Chicago where other pockets of Croatian families settled. It was interesting to me to see the pattern of movement of the Croatian families. My own settled the wilderness of far west Texas after having been to the states noted above. When they pioneered the area, numerous of other families followed them. Bee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Birkholz, James" <James.Birkholz@usa.okmetic.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] US Croatian hot spots > I'm curious about settlement patterns of Croatians in the US. > > I know that large groups settled in mining areas, such as Pennsylvania, > Michigan's Upper Pennisula, and western Montana. > Our immigrant was in Akron, Ohio working as a "rubberwork" during the 1910 > census, and 15 years later was in Detroit. Was there a large Croatian > community in Akron and Detroit? Were Croatian immigrants a major force in > rubber production? > > James > > ______________________________

If this is on a website somewhere, please advise. If not, would some kind soul provide the translations for these church book headings? (I have a pretty good idea of what most of it means, but it would be better to have the exact meaning to be able to describe the information with others and to understand some of the entries.) === For Latin marriage register =================== Numerus Currens (entry number) Sponsi et Sponsae (?groom and bride?) Nomen, Cognomen et Conditio (given name, family name and status) Locus Originis (place of birth? or previous residence?) Locus Domicilii (current residence ?of groom, groom's family?, ?future residence of couple?) Reliogio (faith) Anni aetatis (age in years?) Status coelebs, vel viduus (status, ?like single, widowed, divorced?) [Further, what are the common Latin entries?] Parentum Nomen, Cognomen, Religio et Conditio (parents' given names, family names, faiths and status) Testium Nomen, Cognomen, Religio et Conditio (witnesses given names, family names, faiths and status) Copulantis Nomen, Cognomen, Officium (given and family name of marrying official?) Num promulgati? Num in Bannis, et aliquo impedimento dispensati? (Info about the Banns, but what?) Observationes (comments) === For Croatian Birth register =================== Broj tekuci (Entry number?) Godina, mjesec, dan, (?year, month, day) kad se je rodio (of the birth?) kad je krscen (of the christening?) Krscenik (Infant?) ime mu (given name?) je li zakonit ili nezakonit (?whether legitimate or illigitimate) Roditeljimu (parents?) ime, prezime, stalis njihov (?given name, family name, status) vjera jim (faith?) mjesto, gdje stanuju i pod kojim kucnim brojem (town of residence and ?) ime, prezime, vjera i stalis njegovih kumovah (given name, family name, faith and status of godparents?) Ime, prezime, sluzba onoga, koji ga je kristio (given name, family name, ?, ? of the priest?) [what is the word below his name that looks like "Zup"?] Opazke (Comments) Zenidba sklopi____ (something about who they married?)

What is this thing about Social Security? Before the price went up, I ordered 50 SS#5 applications from Social Security and I was and am not related to most of the people I inquired about. I think this is a public record and available to anyone who has $27 ( now ) to pay for the search and zeroxing. Just go to Rootsweb and print out the letter that you get when you find someone who has a listed Social Security number. It says nothing about "you must be related to this individual to make an inquirey." From experience, you do NOT need to be related to make the inquiry. But no, I have not even ordered one more since the price went up. Ashley >Shawn, Any information on this man would be greatly appreciated. I've come >up against a wall. I know he was a miner and a musician with Joe Dupin and >they made several records with RCA. No luck there either. Social Security >will not help because I'm not a "legal" heir to be privy to that info. I do >know he had two brothers Louie and Mike. One of them,Idon't know which one >lived on Beatrice Ave in Johnstown, Pa. Came up cold on him also. None of >us came on this earth alone but this man has escaped most of us. Pat --

A great many cities and also counties now have this information on line. You can look up the site if the current address is the same as the numbering system used a hundred years ago right off the internet. Better double check whether the old address would be the same as today's address. Many cities have changed their numbering systems two or three times for some areas of the city. Many rural counties now have dealt with post office regulations requiring street addresses where there used to be Rural Federal Delivery mailbox numbers. In any case, the online property tax records can be fascinating records of the history of the city or township, and they are also searchable for relationships, like brothers, uncles, and cousins, who owned property. And sometimes even for grandmothers, aunts, and sisters, especially when they survived their male relatives. Ashley >I am presuming you want to know who is living at that address in that city >in the USA now. > >I would go to the county tax office and look it up in the tax records, if >they own the property it will be listed in the property tax assessment. If >not there and they do not own the property go to the school, head, or other >tax offices and ask to see the records. They are public records. I do not >think the post office will give you much help officially. However a >tete-a-tete with the local postman/woman/person (must be politically correct >these days) may shed some light. Also a gracious and considerate letter to >the "resident" at that address with a SASE might get you what you want. > >ray >----- Original Message ----- >From: "SHAWN FOGARTY" <fogdryer@msn.com> >To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:31 PM >Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Address Directory > > >> ok, so I have a place of residence, Srem, Serbia. listed for a relative >(Sertic) >> arriving in 1919. ok so how do I find him back in Srem Serbia??????????? >> >> shawn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Elaine Sharp >> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:40 PM >> To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [CROATIA-L] Address Directory >> >> I FORGOT TO SAY THAT THIS ADDRESS IS IN THE USA. >> If I have an address in a city and want to know who is now living there >> (hopefully relatives), is there a site where I can enter this address and >> get the person's name? I know there are sites by name, and phone number >but > > is there a way to get it with an address. > > > > Thanks. > > Ellie > > > > --

I discovered recently that my uncle's northern Italian family --my aunt is the Croatian one in their family-- lived in part in a town called Kaylor, PA. I haven't checked this out. Is the town name familiar to anyone with a PA background? I have been thinking this branch of his family must have been there working in the mines, as the branch my aunt married into worked in the UP Michigan mines. Anyone know of a Kaylor, PA? What kind of mining, for coal? Ashley >there is a Beaverdale, Pa. in Cambria Co., Pa. near Johnstown and was a coal >mining area.......lots of Croatians came to this area as did my Croatian >ancestors.......if you are not already on the Cambria Co., list you may try >posting to them.....the list is PaCambri-L@rootsweb.com......to become a list >member send to PaCambri-L-request@rootsweb.com and put "subscribe" in the >body of the email.....Joe --

Can anyone help decipher this comment? Tac (name of groom's father) roken u Lokvama. Here is the same info showing the letters I'm not sure about... ?ac (name of groom's father) roke? ? Lokvama. I believe that this family had relatives in Lokve. The record is primarily written in Latin, in 1867. In the Location column (Locus: Originis / Domicilii), there is usually one place written to span both sub-columns. Does this refer to the groom only? What is the latin word for "number" that is obviously represented by "nr." followed by the house number? James

Joe, Have done this but thanks for the suggestion. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <JoeKeR63@aol.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Beginning research on Kisic > there is a Beaverdale, Pa. in Cambria Co., Pa. near Johnstown and was a coal > mining area.......lots of Croatians came to this area as did my Croatian > ancestors.......if you are not already on the Cambria Co., list you may try > posting to them.....the list is PaCambri-L@rootsweb.com......to become a list > member send to PaCambri-L-request@rootsweb.com and put "subscribe" in the > body of the email.....Joe > > >

Shawn, Any information on this man would be greatly appreciated. I've come up against a wall. I know he was a miner and a musician with Joe Dupin and they made several records with RCA. No luck there either. Social Security will not help because I'm not a "legal" heir to be privy to that info. I do know he had two brothers Louie and Mike. One of them,Idon't know which one lived on Beatrice Ave in Johnstown, Pa. Came up cold on him also. None of us came on this earth alone but this man has escaped most of us. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHAWN FOGARTY" <fogdryer@msn.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Beginning research on Kisic > what kind of info? > social security application, passengfer list at ellis island > has some info, what about the declaration of intent???????????? > > shawn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pdyer53 > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:15 PM > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Beginning research on Kisic > > My grandmother Dragica Grgas came to America in 1910 or so. She was dau. of Franjo Grgas and Ana r. Crnaric. She was born 12 May 1898 d. 1972. Married 1 David Lukezic in Beverdale, Pa. Three children Arthur, George and Mildred. Then she met Joseph Kisic and had 6 more children, Elizabeth, Joseph Anna Louise, John, Josephine and David. She was born in Croatia. Joseph left a wife and children in Croatia and when he died his social security went to his wife in Croatia. Is there anyone on this list that can helpme to locate info on this Joseph Kisic? > Thanks for any help you may be to me. > Pat Miller Dyer > pdyer53@yahoo.com > > >

Greetings, I am researching: OCVIRAK Peter Ocvirak (b. 1889) son of John and Barbara Ocvirak Lived near Samobor emigrated to U.S. early 1900's married Agnes Sneperger and settled in Cleveland, OH If anyone has any information that might be of help, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you, Jackie Researching: ~~~~~~~Poland~~~~~~~ ADAMOWICZ - BANASZEK - BURDA CIEBIEN~ - MAZIK - HOJNACKI MIKULSKI / MIKOLSKY - KROL / KRUL ~~~~~~~Croatia~~~~~~~ OCVIRAK - SNEPERGER

Soc Sec dea index shows 2 Joseph Kisic; (1) 1918-2001 Beaver Co PA; (2) 1918-1970 Allegheny Co PA. Previously I have sent for "many" original SS applications (@5.00 ea) for a wealth of info. I was not even related to most of the ones I sent for: they were my grandson's maternal line. I was never refused access to any of the original applications. I understand the price has gone up to 27.00.

on 5/8/02 2:58 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > "Doug H." wrote: >> >> Can anyone tell me the background on the surname Hecimovic? My immediate >> family and many others that I'm in contact with came to the US from the >> Perusic area around 1907. >> >> If "ovic" means "son of" or a clan designation, then what is the origin of >> "Hecim"? >> >> Is Ecimovic a cultural variation of Hecimovic or a distinctly different >> surname? >> >> Are there other variations on the spelling of Hecimovic which are generally >> recognized in Croatia? >> >> Are there specific regions of Croatia associated with this name other than >> Perusic? >> >> I've heard there is a town or place named Hecimovic after the many Hecimovic >> who lived there. Is this a family legend? >> >> Amongst those of us in the US who are comparing notes, we have recognized >> certain distinctive traits or physical aspects in common. Are there >> distinctive profiles that are recognized for members of this group or region >> in Croatia? >> >> Also, my great grandfather was called something like Cico, (Cheecho). Can >> anyone tell me something about this? >> >> Thank You, Doug Harlan > > Perus^ic' is located 85 miles SSW of Zagreb in Lic^ko z^upanija (county) > The Croatian telephone directory lists 95 surnames Hec'imovic' under > this county, including 36 surnames listed under Perus^ic'. > > The directory also lists 184 surnames Hec^imovic' under Zagreb. > > This is perhaps two variations of surname ? > Hec'imovic' > Hec^imovic' > > Some Croatian characters (letters) employ diacritic-accent > marks . > > v > c pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-urch. > > > c' pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-eap. > > The angular c' is used when c is the last letter in a Croatian > surname. > > I expect that the letter H was left out of the spelling > of name Ecimovic. > Rare to see a surname beginning with a vowel. > > Rare for a place name to begin Heci ? > > 50 surnames Hecimovic emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island > 1892-1924. > Some were from Perus^ic', Croatia. > Some were from Bukovac. > There are 3 place names Bukovac located in Bosnia and Herzegovina. > > A Hasanovic is located in Bosnia, 24 miles from Sarajevo. > > Over 150 surnames Hecimovic are listed in the U.S. telephone white > pages. > Since the surname may be from various places in Croatia and/or > elsewhere ?, short of DNA testing, similar physical characteristics > won't prove any relationship. > > v > Frank Kurcina > > Thank you for getting back to me on this Frank, I see there are 22 listings for Ecimovic in the Zagreb phone directory but none in Licko. The 1948 census lists 250 people under Ecimovic and 506 for Hecimovic. The Croatian Genealogical and Heraldic Society wrote me to say that the names were different. I have also heard that maybe Hecimovic is a Croatian spelling and Ecimovic may be a Serbian spelling of basically the same name? My understanding of the pronounciation is that Hec^imovic' = "Heh chee mo vitch". I have heard it pronounced like "Heh see mo vitch" but I don't think this is correct? I have studied the Ellis Island list for Hecimovic closely and have identified several passengers. It seems many also came through Baltimore and maybe Galveston. Is there a way to see these records on line? I have noticed Bukovac as a frequent place of origin for Hecimovic and related surnames but my map only shows the one that is about 12 km east of Ogulin. I suspect there is one closer to Perusic as the Ellis Island records show close relations between people from Bukovac and Perusic. I have ordered the Map of Croatia from Freytag & Berndt through Barnes and Noble and hopefully I can do better on locations when it arrives. Any suggestions for the ultimate map of croatia would be welcome. I wasn't expecting to use physical descriptions to determine relationships but it would be interesting to know if there is are certain characteristics that are associated with people from Perusic or Lika? Do you have any ideas on the name "Cico"? Could this be a nickname? Thank you for the help. Doug Harlan

Would Berkova be a variation of Brkic or Brkova? On Wed, 08 May 2002 07:16:47 -0600 Frank Kurchina <frankur@worldnet.att.net> writes: > > > Den wrote: > > > > Hi group, > > > > I am looking for the origin of a family by the name of Berkova. My > great > > grandmother was Mary Berkova, does any one have an idea on a > region where > > this family could have come from? Any information would be great. > > thanks > > Denis Markovich > > markos@in-tch.com > > One of most common Slavic surname affixes is the one denoting > gender > of the bearer -ova, -owa (Polish), and -oba (Russian). > > As a rule of Slavic grammar, female surnames end in -a, -ska, or > -ova. > The feminine form of the surnames is considered merely a separate > form > of same surname, not a distinct surname in itself. > > Have to assume you are seeking the surname Berk or Berko, rather > than > Berkova. > Having said that, Berkova can be a Czech-Bohemian surname. > > If your great GM emigrated to U.S. in what year ? > 267 surnames Berk emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island (NYC) > 1892-1924. > And 133 surnames Berko as well. > > v > Frank Kurcina > >

"Doug H." wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the background on the surname Hecimovic? My immediate > family and many others that I'm in contact with came to the US from the > Perusic area around 1907. > > If "ovic" means "son of" or a clan designation, then what is the origin of > "Hecim"? > > Is Ecimovic a cultural variation of Hecimovic or a distinctly different > surname? > > Are there other variations on the spelling of Hecimovic which are generally > recognized in Croatia? > > Are there specific regions of Croatia associated with this name other than > Perusic? > > I've heard there is a town or place named Hecimovic after the many Hecimovic > who lived there. Is this a family legend? > > Amongst those of us in the US who are comparing notes, we have recognized > certain distinctive traits or physical aspects in common. Are there > distinctive profiles that are recognized for members of this group or region > in Croatia? > > Also, my great grandfather was called something like Cico, (Cheecho). Can > anyone tell me something about this? > > Thank You, Doug Harlan Perus^ic' is located 85 miles SSW of Zagreb in Lic^ko z^upanija (county) The Croatian telephone directory lists 95 surnames Hec'imovic' under this county, including 36 surnames listed under Perus^ic'. The directory also lists 184 surnames Hec^imovic' under Zagreb. This is perhaps two variations of surname ? Hec'imovic' Hec^imovic' Some Croatian characters (letters) employ diacritic-accent marks . v c pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-urch. c' pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-eap. The angular c' is used when c is the last letter in a Croatian surname. I expect that the letter H was left out of the spelling of name Ecimovic. Rare to see a surname beginning with a vowel. Rare for a place name to begin Heci ? 50 surnames Hecimovic emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island 1892-1924. Some were from Perus^ic', Croatia. Some were from Bukovac. There are 3 place names Bukovac located in Bosnia and Herzegovina. A Hasanovic is located in Bosnia, 24 miles from Sarajevo. Over 150 surnames Hecimovic are listed in the U.S. telephone white pages. Since the surname may be from various places in Croatia and/or elsewhere ?, short of DNA testing, similar physical characteristics won't prove any relationship. v Frank Kurcina

I use regular money orders (commercial not US postal) such as American Express. They are good anywhere that honors US currency. Probably the best place for the recipient ot cash them would be a bank. They usually cost less than a dollar. ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Hacht" <phacht@peoplepc.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Overseas drafts... > I use International Currency Express. They charge $5/draft in any > currency. Arrives in 3 - 5 days. 888/278-6628. They are in Beverly > Hills, CA. When you call, be prepared with your credit card # and the > name and correct spelling of the name of the person receiving the draft. > > Reush International is another one, but they are either $15 or $20 per > draft!!!!!!!!! Outrageous, I think... > > Patti > Lakeville, MI > >

I am presuming you want to know who is living at that address in that city in the USA now. I would go to the county tax office and look it up in the tax records, if they own the property it will be listed in the property tax assessment. If not there and they do not own the property go to the school, head, or other tax offices and ask to see the records. They are public records. I do not think the post office will give you much help officially. However a tete-a-tete with the local postman/woman/person (must be politically correct these days) may shed some light. Also a gracious and considerate letter to the "resident" at that address with a SASE might get you what you want. ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHAWN FOGARTY" <fogdryer@msn.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Address Directory > ok, so I have a place of residence, Srem, Serbia. listed for a relative (Sertic) > arriving in 1919. ok so how do I find him back in Srem Serbia??????????? > > shawn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elaine Sharp > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:40 PM > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Address Directory > > I FORGOT TO SAY THAT THIS ADDRESS IS IN THE USA. > If I have an address in a city and want to know who is now living there > (hopefully relatives), is there a site where I can enter this address and > get the person's name? I know there are sites by name, and phone number but > is there a way to get it with an address. > > Thanks. > Ellie > >

I'm curious about settlement patterns of Croatians in the US. I know that large groups settled in mining areas, such as Pennsylvania, Michigan's Upper Pennisula, and western Montana. Our immigrant was in Akron, Ohio working as a "rubberwork" during the 1910 census, and 15 years later was in Detroit. Was there a large Croatian community in Akron and Detroit? Were Croatian immigrants a major force in rubber production? James

Can anyone tell me the background on the surname Hecimovic? My immediate family and many others that I'm in contact with came to the US from the Perusic area around 1907. If "ovic" means "son of" or a clan designation, then what is the origin of "Hecim"? Is Ecimovic a cultural variation of Hecimovic or a distinctly different surname? Are there other variations on the spelling of Hecimovic which are generally recognized in Croatia? Are there specific regions of Croatia associated with this name other than Perusic? I've heard there is a town or place named Hecimovic after the many Hecimovic who lived there. Is this a family legend? Amongst those of us in the US who are comparing notes, we have recognized certain distinctive traits or physical aspects in common. Are there distinctive profiles that are recognized for members of this group or region in Croatia? Also, my great grandfather was called something like Cico, (Cheecho). Can anyone tell me something about this? Thank You, Doug Harlan