Hi My Aunts first name was Kata but went by Catherine when she was in school during the early 1920's she grew up on the North Side, Woods Run in Pittsburgh, PA As long as I am writing might as well throw out the surnames I am still searching for as I am no futher along on this line than I was a Year ago. Any one working on this line BLAZEVIC and MISETIC Donna

Catherina, came from the greek "Katharos" which means "pure".. http://gens.labo.net/it/nomi/genera.html?nome=CATERINA Best Regards, Diego Vukovich Researching: Croatia (DUGI, ZNIDAR, FEKEZA) Italy (Gho, Ferretti) Czech Rep (Vesely) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] first name > on 5/13/02 6:32 PM, Sauter, Vicki L. at vicki.sauter@umsl.edu wrote: > > > I don't know if Catherine is Croatian generally, but my husband's > > grandparents came from Croatia and named their youngest daughter Katherine > > (with a K not a C). So, at least some people think it is. > > > > vicki sauter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mary Hegarty [mailto:mhegarty@cybertron.com] > > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:23 PM > > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CROATIA-L] first name > > > > > > On my grandmother, Marie Fanta's passenger record her mother's name is > > listed as, what looks like Cath. Pavlekovic. I was wondering about the Cath. > > It looks like an abbreviation for Catherine but that doesn't sound like a > > Croatian name. Does anyone have any thoughts on what it could be? > > Thanks! > > Mary Hegarty > Thanks Vicki. I'm going to the FHC tomorrow so every bit of information > helps to narrow the pool. > Mary >

I know where you're from - Hegewisch! My family had gatherings in a place called the Golden Shell. A tavern with a restaurant attached. I think we're talking about the same place. Located between 102nd and 107th and Avenue N or O. I'm having trouble remembering the exact intersection, but it was across the street from what, I think, was an abandoned ship yard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHAWN FOGARTY" <fogdryer@msn.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Torrence Ave., S. Chicago > it was the steel mills in so. chicago. > so. chicago lost its importatance over 20 yrs ago as the mills closed. > I grew up there. can you believe it. just by chance have you ever > heard of "The Shell", a bar and tavern VERY POPULAR owned and run by > croatians??????? by the way the Shell ran a boarding house upstairs...................... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sarmar1 > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 1:58 AM > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Torrence Ave., S. Chicago > > Doug, > > The area you mention is located on the southeast side of Chicago. It is a > neighborhood in an area of the city where many Croatian and Serbian > immigrants have settled since early in the 20th C. and possibly even late in > the 19th C. > > It would have been considered quite a distance from the stockyards early in > the 20th C., and, the closest thing we have ever had to mining in Chicago is > the subway. (just a joke, I'm not being sarcastic.) I guess there is a > possibility immigrants were gathered in the area by agents who shipped them > to areas in northern Michigan and Minnesota, but I am not aware of it. > > I do know, however, the area was adjacent to the Great Lakes port of Chicago > which began to develop late in the 19C. but has lost much of its importance > over the last 20 years. It was also an important industrial area. For many > years beginning very early in the 20thC, its primary employers were a number > of steel mills. > > My grandmother, a Croatian immigrant from Severin in Gorski Kotar, ran a > boarding house in that general area. My great-uncle, an immigrant from > Sibenik in Dalmatia, owned a tavern on the same block. Today, there is > still a substantial 2nd generation Croatian and Serbian population in the > immediate area that you mentioned. > > There is a book available at Borders Bookstores in Chicago, "Chicago's > Southeast Side revisited" by Rod Sellers that will tell you everything you > ever wanted to know about the neighborhood. It is part of a series, "images > of America". I don't know if that particular book of the series is > available outside of the Chicago area, but you might be able to find it > online. If gives you a real "feel" for the history of the neighborhood. > > The Croatian Ethnic Institute might be able to help you also. > Unfortunately, something has happened to their website, > www.croatian-institute.org. You can access a picture of the monastery > where it is located, but, currently, there is no place to go from there. > You might want to try writing: > Ljubo Krasic, Director > Croatian Ethnic Institute > 4851 S. Drexal Blvd. > Chicago, IL 60615 > > Hope this helps. > > Sarah Mueller (nee Basetich) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:35 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Torrence Ave., S. Chicago > > > > In studying the Ellis Island manifests I frequently find passengers from > the > > Perusic area giving 10702 or 10718 or nearby addresses on Torrence Ave. in > > S. Chicago as their distination upon arrival. > > > > Can anyone tell me something about this? > > > > I am guessing that is was a Croatian community and these were boarding > > houses. Maybe even owned or operated by the stock yards or mines that were > > encouraging the immigration. > > Doug > > > > > >

My wife's grandmother was Catherine Saich. On the Ellis Island record of her immigration, her name was spelled Kata Seic. Bob Maley -----Original Message----- From: Mary Hegarty [mailto:mhegarty@cybertron.com] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:59 PM To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] first name on 5/13/02 6:32 PM, Sauter, Vicki L. at vicki.sauter@umsl.edu wrote: > I don't know if Catherine is Croatian generally, but my husband's > grandparents came from Croatia and named their youngest daughter Katherine > (with a K not a C). So, at least some people think it is. > > vicki sauter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Hegarty [mailto:mhegarty@cybertron.com] > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:23 PM > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CROATIA-L] first name > > > On my grandmother, Marie Fanta's passenger record her mother's name is > listed as, what looks like Cath. Pavlekovic. I was wondering about the Cath. > It looks like an abbreviation for Catherine but that doesn't sound like a > Croatian name. Does anyone have any thoughts on what it could be? > Thanks! > Mary Hegarty Thanks Vicki. I'm going to the FHC tomorrow so every bit of information helps to narrow the pool. Mary

on 5/13/02 6:32 PM, Sauter, Vicki L. at vicki.sauter@umsl.edu wrote: > I don't know if Catherine is Croatian generally, but my husband's > grandparents came from Croatia and named their youngest daughter Katherine > (with a K not a C). So, at least some people think it is. > > vicki sauter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Hegarty [mailto:mhegarty@cybertron.com] > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:23 PM > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CROATIA-L] first name > > > On my grandmother, Marie Fanta's passenger record her mother's name is > listed as, what looks like Cath. Pavlekovic. I was wondering about the Cath. > It looks like an abbreviation for Catherine but that doesn't sound like a > Croatian name. Does anyone have any thoughts on what it could be? > Thanks! > Mary Hegarty Thanks Vicki. I'm going to the FHC tomorrow so every bit of information helps to narrow the pool. Mary

I don't know if Catherine is Croatian generally, but my husband's grandparents came from Croatia and named their youngest daughter Katherine (with a K not a C). So, at least some people think it is. vicki sauter -----Original Message----- From: Mary Hegarty [mailto:mhegarty@cybertron.com] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:23 PM To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CROATIA-L] first name On my grandmother, Marie Fanta's passenger record her mother's name is listed as, what looks like Cath. Pavlekovic. I was wondering about the Cath. It looks like an abbreviation for Catherine but that doesn't sound like a Croatian name. Does anyone have any thoughts on what it could be? Thanks! Mary Hegarty

On my grandmother, Marie Fanta's passenger record her mother's name is listed as, what looks like Cath. Pavlekovic. I was wondering about the Cath. It looks like an abbreviation for Catherine but that doesn't sound like a Croatian name. Does anyone have any thoughts on what it could be? Thanks! Mary Hegarty

The Iron range site was a nice submission, and the others mentioned recently as well.. maybe they could go on Roberts page as links as well, if they aren't already. Dave

Don, My family came to the US in the about 1902 . They settled in St. Louis Mo. There seemed to be a very large Croatian community there. There whole street in 1910 was Croatians Many of them were laborer , My grandfather a brick layer. They also worked for the meat packing Co. They established the a Croatian Gymnastic facility and there are at least 2 Croatian churches in the area. Hope this is what your looking for . Michelle

Many Slavonian, Ruthenian, Hungarian and Serbian as well as Croatian men emigrated to South Sharon Pennsylvania in the early 20th century. They found work in the foundries and mills in the area, and possibly in the mines too. The area is known as West Middlesex or Wheatland today. ----- Original Message ----- From: <rmb1@gte.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: CROATIA-D Digest V02 #99 > In answer to "Croatian Hot Spots" > Our family were started out in 1910 in the mines in Colorado where there was a large Croatian (then called Austria-Dalmatia) settlement. > > Mine work brought them to Globe, Arizona, as well. Others of their family were in New York City and Chicago where other pockets of Croatian families settled. > > It was interesting to me to see the pattern of movement of the Croatian families. My own settled the wilderness of far west Texas after having been to the states noted above. When they pioneered the area, numerous of other families followed them. > > Bee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Birkholz, James" <James.Birkholz@usa.okmetic.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:47 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] US Croatian hot spots > > > > I'm curious about settlement patterns of Croatians in the US. > > > > I know that large groups settled in mining areas, such as Pennsylvania, > > Michigan's Upper Pennisula, and western Montana. > > Our immigrant was in Akron, Ohio working as a "rubberwork" during the 1910 > > census, and 15 years later was in Detroit. Was there a large Croatian > > community in Akron and Detroit? Were Croatian immigrants a major force in > > rubber production? > > > > James > > > > ______________________________ > > ______________________________

I thought I posted this to the list but I haven't seen it. If this is a repeat, you have my apologies. D.M. >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:42:01 -0700 >To: "Birkholz, James" <James.Birkholz@usa.okmetic.com> >From: "D. A. 'Dutch' Martinich" <dutchm@dcn.davis.ca.us> >Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] US Croatian hot spots >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >> I'm curious about settlement patterns of Croatians in the US. >> >>I know that large groups settled in mining areas, such as Pennsylvania, >>Michigan's Upper Pennisula, and western Montana. > >On the West Coast, major Croatian settlements were Tacoma and the >Pudget Sound region, and San Francisco and San Pedro in California. >Also, New Orleans, LA, and Biloxi, MS on the Gulf Coast have >Croatian communities dating back to before the Civil War. > >In California, Croatians arrived in San Francisco with the discovery >of gold in 1849. Many continued to immigrate to work in the mines >into the 20th century. They tended to go to the area of the >Motherlode mining district known as the "Southern Mines" which >included Amador, Calaveras, and Tuolumne Counties. Sacramento >became home to immigrants and ex-miners who found employment with >the railroads. Farming regions with Croatian settlers included the >Santa Clara Valley, the Pajaro Valley (Watsonville), and Eastern >Fresno County. Los Angeles and in particular, San Pedro, still has >a sizable group, many of who, worked in the tuna fleet and related >canneries. > >Many of the Pacific and Gulf Coast Croatians came from Dalmatia and >other coastal regions on the Adriatic. A surprisingly large number >seem to come from the island of Brac. > >Don Martinich >researching MARTINIC, MARANGUNIC and PERUZOVIC from Bobovisca and Milna, Brac. > > > >-- --

Many years ago we, on Minnesotas iron range, heard a lot of refference to recruiters for the mining companies. Supposedly these people got paid per head for every man they steered to their company. There were stories about Italians coming through that had jobs promised in California vineyards that were persuaded by these recruiters to go to work in some mine instead. I've asked people at Ironworlds reserch center about this but apparently nothing was written about these people. I would emagine that the packing houses i Kansas City and South Chicago as well as the steel plants out east used these people too, maybe there's some information to found somewhere. Donald Marinkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Torrence Ave., S. Chicago > In studying the Ellis Island manifests I frequently find passengers from the > Perusic area giving 10702 or 10718 or nearby addresses on Torrence Ave. in > S. Chicago as their distination upon arrival. > > Can anyone tell me something about this? > > I am guessing that is was a Croatian community and these were boarding > houses. Maybe even owned or operated by the stock yards or mines that were > encouraging the immigration. > Doug >

----- Original Message ----- From: <CMSWI04@aol.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Torrence Ave., S. Chicago > In a message dated 5/12/2002 12:49:36 AM Central Daylight Time, > sarmar1@msn.com writes: > > > > of America". I don't know if that particular book of the series is > > available outside of the Chicago area, but you might be able to find it > > online. If gives you a real "feel" for the history of the neighborhood. > > > > The Croatian Ethnic Institute might be able to help you also. > > Unfortunately, something has happened to their website, > > www.croatian-institute.org. You can access a picture of the monastery > > where it is located, but, currently, there is no place to go from there. > > You might want to try writing: > > Ljubo Krasic, Director > > Croatian Ethnic Institute > > 4851 S. Drexal Blvd. > > Chicago, IL 60615 > > > > Hope this helps. > > I am truly impressed with all the knowledge shared via these e-mails. I was > hoping if I might ask if any one has any knowledge of any films or whatever > that would give the census for the little town of CABUNA in 1890. It was a > small town of less than 400 homes at that time and the names of the people > living there would be extremely helpful in my research. Thanks for any help > whatsoever. Chuck There is a book that gives populations stats over a period of about 100 years but does not give the surnames of people living in those towns in Croatia. Also there is a book published in early 1950s which gives households and surnames by towns and village. But I don't know of any book that gives names from 1890. It does not appear the LDS has microfilmed church records from Cabuna. However you can write to the church office (zupni ured). There is a tutorial by Tom Ninkovich which gives a sample letter (Croatian and English) and other suggestions on how to obtain records from churches in Croatia. Here is the mailing address and phone number for the church in Cabuna in the Virovitca municipality. You can find Tom's tutorial by clicking on home in my link list. ZUPNI URED KATOLICKA CRKVA STJEPANA RADICA 33 HR-33412 CABUNA +385 (33) 780 339 http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Cleveland, Ohio >

In a message dated 5/12/2002 12:49:36 AM Central Daylight Time, sarmar1@msn.com writes: > of America". I don't know if that particular book of the series is > available outside of the Chicago area, but you might be able to find it > online. If gives you a real "feel" for the history of the neighborhood. > > The Croatian Ethnic Institute might be able to help you also. > Unfortunately, something has happened to their website, > www.croatian-institute.org. You can access a picture of the monastery > where it is located, but, currently, there is no place to go from there. > You might want to try writing: > Ljubo Krasic, Director > Croatian Ethnic Institute > 4851 S. Drexal Blvd. > Chicago, IL 60615 > > Hope this helps. I am truly impressed with all the knowledge shared via these e-mails. I was hoping if I might ask if any one has any knowledge of any films or whatever that would give the census for the little town of CABUNA in 1890. It was a small town of less than 400 homes at that time and the names of the people living there would be extremely helpful in my research. Thanks for any help whatsoever. Chuck

it was the steel mills in so. chicago. so. chicago lost its importatance over 20 yrs ago as the mills closed. I grew up there. can you believe it. just by chance have you ever heard of "The Shell", a bar and tavern VERY POPULAR owned and run by croatians??????? by the way the Shell ran a boarding house upstairs...................... ----- Original Message ----- From: sarmar1 Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 1:58 AM To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Torrence Ave., S. Chicago Doug, The area you mention is located on the southeast side of Chicago. It is a neighborhood in an area of the city where many Croatian and Serbian immigrants have settled since early in the 20th C. and possibly even late in the 19th C. It would have been considered quite a distance from the stockyards early in the 20th C., and, the closest thing we have ever had to mining in Chicago is the subway. (just a joke, I'm not being sarcastic.) I guess there is a possibility immigrants were gathered in the area by agents who shipped them to areas in northern Michigan and Minnesota, but I am not aware of it. I do know, however, the area was adjacent to the Great Lakes port of Chicago which began to develop late in the 19C. but has lost much of its importance over the last 20 years. It was also an important industrial area. For many years beginning very early in the 20thC, its primary employers were a number of steel mills. My grandmother, a Croatian immigrant from Severin in Gorski Kotar, ran a boarding house in that general area. My great-uncle, an immigrant from Sibenik in Dalmatia, owned a tavern on the same block. Today, there is still a substantial 2nd generation Croatian and Serbian population in the immediate area that you mentioned. There is a book available at Borders Bookstores in Chicago, "Chicago's Southeast Side revisited" by Rod Sellers that will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the neighborhood. It is part of a series, "images of America". I don't know if that particular book of the series is available outside of the Chicago area, but you might be able to find it online. If gives you a real "feel" for the history of the neighborhood. The Croatian Ethnic Institute might be able to help you also. Unfortunately, something has happened to their website, www.croatian-institute.org. You can access a picture of the monastery where it is located, but, currently, there is no place to go from there. You might want to try writing: Ljubo Krasic, Director Croatian Ethnic Institute 4851 S. Drexal Blvd. Chicago, IL 60615 Hope this helps. Sarah Mueller (nee Basetich) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Torrence Ave., S. Chicago > In studying the Ellis Island manifests I frequently find passengers from the > Perusic area giving 10702 or 10718 or nearby addresses on Torrence Ave. in > S. Chicago as their distination upon arrival. > > Can anyone tell me something about this? > > I am guessing that is was a Croatian community and these were boarding > houses. Maybe even owned or operated by the stock yards or mines that were > encouraging the immigration. > Doug > >

I lived at 130th Torrence ave. can you believe it......................South chicago................... steel mill area. yes a larg croatian community settled there including MY ellis island relatives SERTIC. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug H. Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:41 PM To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CROATIA-L] Torrence Ave., S. Chicago In studying the Ellis Island manifests I frequently find passengers from the Perusic area giving 10702 or 10718 or nearby addresses on Torrence Ave. in S. Chicago as their distination upon arrival. Can anyone tell me something about this? I am guessing that is was a Croatian community and these were boarding houses. Maybe even owned or operated by the stock yards or mines that were encouraging the immigration. Doug

Hello Doug, You are correct in that both placenames near 6 on the map is Bakovac, however they are both towns and not a river. Rivers are in blue on the map. That river is actually part of Lika River. http://www.kakarigi.net/maps/034.jpg However one thing we know based on the online phone book there is a Bukovac in Perusic Municipality. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: Re: (C)Re: [CROATIA-L] Hecimovic > on 5/11/02 8:48 AM, Robert Jerin at rjerin@adelphia.net wrote: > > > The most likely location of Bukovac you are looking for is to the east of > > Perusic. There are a couple of places by that name which can be found in > > the old Hungarian Croatia/Slavonia maps, 1910. Click on Lika-Krbava, it > > will take awhile to load. then set bottom browser about 1/3 from left and > > side bar about mid point. The places are near the red number 6 on the map. > > > > http://www.familytree.hu/ > > > > Some of the listings in Croatian phone book have addresses of BUKOVAC > > PERUSICKI indicating that there is a Bukovac near Perusic. Unfortunately > > the maps which have been availble at the new Croatian phone book link do not > > seem to be working > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > I did not find a place called Hecimovic, but that does not mean that one > > does not exist. Typically when family names were taken, some time in the > > middle ages, people in a village took on the name of the village and very > > few places were named after families. > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:10 PM > > Subject: Re: (C)Re: [CROATIA-L] Hecimovic > > > > > >> on 5/8/02 2:58 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> "Doug H." wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Can anyone tell me the background on the surname Hecimovic? My > > immediate > >>>> family and many others that I'm in contact with came to the US from the > >>>> Perusic area around 1907. > >>>> > >>>> If "ovic" means "son of" or a clan designation, then what is the origin > > of > >>>> "Hecim"? > >>>> > >>>> Is Ecimovic a cultural variation of Hecimovic or a distinctly different > >>>> surname? > >>>> > >>>> Are there other variations on the spelling of Hecimovic which are > > generally > >>>> recognized in Croatia? > >>>> > >>>> Are there specific regions of Croatia associated with this name other > > than > >>>> Perusic? > >>>> > >>>> I've heard there is a town or place named Hecimovic after the many > > Hecimovic > >>>> who lived there. Is this a family legend? > >>>> > >>>> Amongst those of us in the US who are comparing notes, we have > > recognized > >>>> certain distinctive traits or physical aspects in common. Are there > >>>> distinctive profiles that are recognized for members of this group or > > region > >>>> in Croatia? > >>>> > >>>> Also, my great grandfather was called something like Cico, (Cheecho). > > Can > >>>> anyone tell me something about this? > >>>> > >>>> Thank You, Doug Harlan > >>> > >>> Perus^ic' is located 85 miles SSW of Zagreb in Lic^ko z^upanija (county) > >>> The Croatian telephone directory lists 95 surnames Hec'imovic' under > >>> this county, including 36 surnames listed under Perus^ic'. > >>> > >>> The directory also lists 184 surnames Hec^imovic' under Zagreb. > >>> > >>> This is perhaps two variations of surname ? > >>> Hec'imovic' > >>> Hec^imovic' > >>> > >>> Some Croatian characters (letters) employ diacritic-accent > >>> marks . > >>> > >>> v > >>> c pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-urch. > >>> > >>> > >>> c' pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-eap. > >>> > >>> The angular c' is used when c is the last letter in a Croatian > >>> surname. > >>> > >>> I expect that the letter H was left out of the spelling > >>> of name Ecimovic. > >>> Rare to see a surname beginning with a vowel. > >>> > >>> Rare for a place name to begin Heci ? > >>> > >>> 50 surnames Hecimovic emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island > >>> 1892-1924. > >>> Some were from Perus^ic', Croatia. > >>> Some were from Bukovac. > >>> There are 3 place names Bukovac located in Bosnia and Herzegovina. > >>> > >>> A Hasanovic is located in Bosnia, 24 miles from Sarajevo. > >>> > >>> Over 150 surnames Hecimovic are listed in the U.S. telephone white > >>> pages. > >>> Since the surname may be from various places in Croatia and/or > >>> elsewhere ?, short of DNA testing, similar physical characteristics > >>> won't prove any relationship. > >>> > >>> v > >>> Frank Kurcina > >>> > >>> > >> Thank you for getting back to me on this Frank, > >> > >> I see there are 22 listings for Ecimovic in the Zagreb phone directory but > >> none in Licko. The 1948 census lists 250 people under Ecimovic and 506 for > >> Hecimovic. The Croatian Genealogical and Heraldic Society wrote me to say > >> that the names were different. I have also heard that maybe Hecimovic is a > >> Croatian spelling and Ecimovic may be a Serbian spelling of basically the > >> same name? > >> > >> My understanding of the pronounciation is that Hec^imovic' = > >> "Heh chee mo vitch". > >> > >> I have heard it pronounced like "Heh see mo vitch" but I don't think this > > is > >> correct? > >> > >> I have studied the Ellis Island list for Hecimovic closely and have > >> identified several passengers. It seems many also came through Baltimore > > and > >> maybe Galveston. Is there a way to see these records on line? > >> > >> I have noticed Bukovac as a frequent place of origin for Hecimovic and > >> related surnames but my map only shows the one that is about 12 km east of > >> Ogulin. I suspect there is one closer to Perusic as the Ellis Island > > records > >> show close relations between people from Bukovac and Perusic. I have > > ordered > >> the Map of Croatia from Freytag & Berndt through Barnes and Noble and > >> hopefully I can do better on locations when it arrives. Any suggestions > > for > >> the ultimate map of croatia would be welcome. > >> > >> I wasn't expecting to use physical descriptions to determine relationships > >> but it would be interesting to know if there is are certain > > characteristics > >> that are associated with people from Perusic or Lika? > >> > >> Do you have any ideas on the name "Cico"? Could this be a nickname? > >> > >> Thank you for the help. > >> Doug Harlan > >> > >> > > > Robert, > Thank you for the map reference. It was the first time I could find some > other towns that I was looking for. I see the Bakovac River to the North > West of Perusic and the town of Bakovac nearby. Are the spellings of Bukovac > and Bakovac interchangeable? > > I also noticed what looks like a town of Bukavina just North East of > Perusic. Could this be interchangeable with Rukavina? I have a research > interest in members with that surname from the Perusic area as well. > Doug Harlan > >

Those boarding houses run by Croatians were typically referred to as zadrugas, which is actually a military barracks. However it was also a system of extended families used by the seljaci (peasants) in Croatia, as a means of economic life better. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Allen" <carolea7@attbi.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: settlement patterns > There were Croatian settlements in Blair co. PA (near Altoons). Many of the > men workedin the limestone quarries and the women ran boardinghouses for > single Croatian men. Many also worked in the brickyards in the area. > > Of course, Cleveland area had a large community, and the steel mills in NE > Ohio had many Croatian workers. > > In Washington state there were many Croatian miners in Roslyn and Ronald > (about 90 mins. east of Seattle). There were also Croatian miners closer to > Seattle, in the SE corner of King county in towns such as Black Diamond, > Carbonado, etc. (Some now small suburbs, some ghost towns.) > > In Anacortes, WA (the NW corner of the NW state!)there is a large Croatian > community...many fishermen, since this is on the water... > > Also San Pedro, CA has a large Croatian community, also involved in > seafaring related industry. >

My cousins in Dunlo PA have a some DUPIN records Dupin in Croatian means.... dolphin! ----- Original Message ----- From: "pdyer53" <pdyer53@netzero.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Beginning research on Kisic > John, I have this info but thanks for trying. Don't give up th hunt. I > will greatly appreciate anything. Mymom was just a child when Joseph Kisic > died. She dosen't remember muchabout her dad. She remebers uncle Louie and > uncle Mike . Her dad Joseph played with Joe Dupin and made several records > for RCA. This lead ended when RCA said they don't have records from tha > 1930's. I have bits and pieces from my aunts and uncles but thsy wer all > under 10 when Joseph Kisic died. He had throat cancer. I even checked > hospital records...none found. > Joseph Kisic family lived in Nanty-Glo, Pa. None do today. My uncle Ed > O"Farrell still lives in the homestead. He married Anna Louise Kisic. > Thanks for trying Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin@adelphia.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Beginning research on Kisic > > > > There are 2 Jozo (form of Joe/Joseph) KISIC arr 1910 destination Johnstown > > PA (Beaverdale is nearby) There are also other Josip/Jozo KISIC found who > > went to Johnstown. Most seem to be from Petrovina, Croatia. Draga is > > Carline, Dragica is a diminutive form of Draga. Checking for GRGAS it > > appears that some of them are also arr from Petrovina. If was not unusual > > for people who settled in the US to marry people who came from the same > > place in Europe. > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "pdyer53" <pdyer53@netzero.net> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:02 PM > > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Beginning research on Kisic > > > > > > > My grandmother Dragica Grgas came to America in 1910 or so. She was > dau. > > of Franjo Grgas and Ana r. Crnaric. She was born 12 May 1898 d. 1972. > > Married 1 David Lukezic in Beverdale, Pa. Three children Arthur, George > and > > Mildred. Then she met Joseph Kisic and had 6 more children, Elizabeth, > > Joseph Anna Louise, John, Josephine and David. She was born in Croatia. > > Joseph left a wife and children in Croatia and when he died his social > > security went to his wife in Croatia. Is there anyone on this list that > can > > helpme to locate info on this Joseph Kisic? > > > Thanks for any help you may be to me. > > > Pat Miller Dyer > > > pdyer53@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >

Doug, The area you mention is located on the southeast side of Chicago. It is a neighborhood in an area of the city where many Croatian and Serbian immigrants have settled since early in the 20th C. and possibly even late in the 19th C. It would have been considered quite a distance from the stockyards early in the 20th C., and, the closest thing we have ever had to mining in Chicago is the subway. (just a joke, I'm not being sarcastic.) I guess there is a possibility immigrants were gathered in the area by agents who shipped them to areas in northern Michigan and Minnesota, but I am not aware of it. I do know, however, the area was adjacent to the Great Lakes port of Chicago which began to develop late in the 19C. but has lost much of its importance over the last 20 years. It was also an important industrial area. For many years beginning very early in the 20thC, its primary employers were a number of steel mills. My grandmother, a Croatian immigrant from Severin in Gorski Kotar, ran a boarding house in that general area. My great-uncle, an immigrant from Sibenik in Dalmatia, owned a tavern on the same block. Today, there is still a substantial 2nd generation Croatian and Serbian population in the immediate area that you mentioned. There is a book available at Borders Bookstores in Chicago, "Chicago's Southeast Side revisited" by Rod Sellers that will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the neighborhood. It is part of a series, "images of America". I don't know if that particular book of the series is available outside of the Chicago area, but you might be able to find it online. If gives you a real "feel" for the history of the neighborhood. The Croatian Ethnic Institute might be able to help you also. Unfortunately, something has happened to their website, www.croatian-institute.org. You can access a picture of the monastery where it is located, but, currently, there is no place to go from there. You might want to try writing: Ljubo Krasic, Director Croatian Ethnic Institute 4851 S. Drexal Blvd. Chicago, IL 60615 Hope this helps. Sarah Mueller (nee Basetich) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Torrence Ave., S. Chicago > In studying the Ellis Island manifests I frequently find passengers from the > Perusic area giving 10702 or 10718 or nearby addresses on Torrence Ave. in > S. Chicago as their distination upon arrival. > > Can anyone tell me something about this? > > I am guessing that is was a Croatian community and these were boarding > houses. Maybe even owned or operated by the stock yards or mines that were > encouraging the immigration. > Doug > >