I finally found the grave of my grandfather but could some one please help in the translation I think I copied it right the stone was worn pretty badly Blaz Blavevic OVDJE POCIVA LAKA NUMU ZEMLJA 1885-1923 Thank you Donna

We are curious about how the house numbering worked in Croatian villages. Is there a pattern? Did the numbering change often? If someone built a new house near existing numbered houses, how was it numbered? Does a number of 0 mean the village was too small for numbers? James and Tami Birkholz

We've seen the surname "Cop" written many ways: Coop, Csoop, Czoop But it seems to have stabilized at Co~p. We are curious about the pronounciation and how the earlier spellings fit. James and Tami Birkholz

I found the following information regarding the rulers of Croatia at the following site: http://www.rulers.org/rulc4.html I thought I would pass it along. Paul Croatia 925 Kingdom of Croatia 1102 personal union with Hungary 21 Dec 1867 part of the Hungarian half of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy 29 Oct 1918 independence (State of Slovenes, Croats, and Serbs) 1 Dec 1918 merged into Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (see Yugoslavia) 26 Aug 1939 autonomy (Banovina of Croatia) 10 Apr 1941 - 6 May 1945 Independent State of Croatia (under Italo-German control)¹ 4 Dec 1943 reincorporation into Yugoslavia Aug 1990 Republic of Croatia 25 Jun 1991 independence declared 8 Jul 1991 - 8 Oct 1991 independence suspended Bans (viceroys) 26 Aug 1693 - 7 Sep 1703 Adam Batthyány (b. 1662 - d. 1703) 24 Jan 1704 - 17 Feb 1732 Ivan Pállfy (b. 1664 - d. 1751) 17 Feb 1732 - 4 Jan 1733 Ivan Draskovic III 13 Aug 1733 - 25 Jun 1741 Josip Eszterházy 1741 - 1742 György Branyng 16 Mar 1743 - 6 Jul 1756 Karlo Batthyány (b. 1698 - d. 1772) 1756 - 1783 Franjo Leopold Nádasdy (b. 1708 - d. 1783) 1783 - 1785 Franjo Eszterházy + Franjo Szechenyi 1785 - 1790 Franjo de Gyármáth Balassa (b. 1736 - d. 1807) 1790 - 30 Mar 1806 Ivan Erdödy (b. 1760 - d. 1806) 1806 - 1831 Ignjat Gyulay Maros-Nemeth (b. 1763 - d. 1831) 10 Feb 1832 - 16 May 1840 Franjo Vlasic (b. 1766 - d. 1840) 1840 - 16 Jun 1842 Juraj Haulik de Varalaj (1st time) (b. 1788 - d. 1869) (acting) 16 Jun 1842 - 1845 Franjo Haller (b. 1796 - d. 1875) 1845 - 23 Mar 1848 Juraj Haulik de Varalaj (2nd time) (s.a.) (acting) 23 Mar 1848 - 19 May 1859 Josip Jelacic (b. 1801 - d. 1859) 28 Jul 1859 - 19 Jun 1860 Ivan Coronini 19 Jun 1860 - 27 Jun 1867 Josip Sokcevic (b. 1811 - d. 1896) 27 Jun 1867 - 26 Jan 1871 Levin Rauch (b. 1819 - d. 1890) (acting to 8 Dec 1868) 26 Jan 1871 - 12 Feb 1872 Koloman Bedekovic (b. 1818 - d. 1889) 8 Oct 1871 - 11 Oct 1871 Eugen Kvaternik (b. 1825 - d. 1871) (in rebellion, at Rakovica) 17 Feb 1872 - 20 Sep 1873 Antun Vakanovic (acting) (b. 1808 - d. 1894) 20 Sep 1873 - 21 Feb 1880 Ivan Mazuranic (b. 1814 - d. 1890) 21 Feb 1880 - 4 Sep 1883 Ladislav Pejacevic (b. 1824 - d. 1901) 4 Sep 1883 - 1 Dec 1883 Hermann Ramberg (acting) (b. 1820 - d. 1899) 4 Dec 1883 - 27 Jun 1903 Karoly Khuen-Hedervary (b. 1849 - d. 1918) 1 Jul 1903 - 26 Jun 1907 Teodor Pejacevic (b. 1855 - d. 1928) 26 Jun 1907 - 8 Jan 1908 Aleksandar Rakodczaj (b. 1848 - d. 1924) 8 Jan 1908 - 5 Feb 1910 Pavao Rauch (b. 1865 - d. 1933) 5 Feb 1910 - 19 Jan 1912 Nikola Tomasic (b. 1864 - d. 1918) 19 Jan 1912 - 21 Jul 1913 Slavko Cuvaj (b. 1851 - d. 1931) (acting from 5 Apr 1912) 21 Jul 1913 - 29 Jun 1917 Ivan Skerlecz (b. 1873 - d. 1951) (acting to 27 Nov 1913) 29 Jun 1917 - 20 Jan 1919 Antun Mihalovic (b. 1868 - d. 1949) 20 Jan 1919 - 24 Nov 1919 Ivan Palecek 24 Nov 1919 - 22 Feb 1920 Tomislav Tomljenovic (1st time) 22 Feb 1920 - 11 Dec 1920 Matko Laginja (b. 1852 - d. 1930) 23 Dec 1920 - 2 Mar 1921 Teodor Bosnjak (acting) 2 Mar 1921 - 3 Jul 1921 Tomislav Tomljenovic (2nd time) Provincial Commissioners 3 Jul 1921 - 23 Dec 1922 Juraj Demetrovic (b. 1885 - d. 1945) 23 Dec 1922 - 1 Mar 1924 Ernest Cimic (b. 1876 - d. 19...) Ban 26 Aug 1939 - 10 Apr 1941 Ivan Subasic (b. 1892 - d. 1955) Chairman of the Presidency of the People's Assembly of Slovenes, Croats, and Serbs 29 Oct 1918 - 1 Dec 1918 Anton Korosec (b. 1872 - d. 1940) Leader (poglavnik) 10 Apr 1941 - 6 May 1945 Ante Pavelic (b. 1889 - d. 1959) Presidents 30 May 1990 - 10 Dec 1999 Franjo Tudjman (b. 1922 - d. 1999) 26 Nov 1999 - 2 Feb 2000 Vlatko Pavletic (b. 1930) (acting [for Tudjman to 10 Dec 1999]) 2 Feb 2000 - 18 Feb 2000 Zlatko Tomcic (acting) (b. 1945) 18 Feb 2000 - Stipe Mesic (b. 1934) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Prime ministers 2 Sep 1943 - 6 May 1945 Nikola Mandic (b. 1869 - d. 1945) 30 May 1990 - 24 Aug 1990 Stipe Mesic (s.a.) 24 Aug 1990 - 3 Aug 1991 Josip Manolic (b. 1920) 3 Aug 1991 - 8 Sep 1992 Franjo Greguric (b. 1939) 8 Sep 1992 - 29 Mar 1993 Hrvoje Sarinic (b. 1935) 29 Mar 1993 - 4 Nov 1995 Nikica Valentic (b. 1950) 4 Nov 1995 - 27 Jan 2000 Zlatko Matesa (b. 1949) 27 Jan 2000 - Ivica Racan (b. 1944) ¹King Tomislav II (b. 1900 - d. 1948), proclaimed 18 May 1941, abdicated 31 Jul 1943, was not installed.

Thanks to Frank and Robert for their help so I have now found Apriano near Opatija. For others who may need to look for cities around the world may I suggest the following url: http://www.calle.com/world/ It lists nearly three million cities, towns, villages! Tom

calle.com is OK but in most cases it location is not as clear as it was with Apriano. However there is an excellent search engine which gives a clearer picture of location. http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas H F Kidman" <kidman@onetel.net.uk> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: Apriano and world city locator > Thanks to Frank and Robert for their help so I have now found Apriano near Opatija. > > For others who may need to look for cities around the world may I suggest the following url: > http://www.calle.com/world/ > > It lists nearly three million cities, towns, villages! > > Tom >

>Dick, and anyone else doing SAFER / SEFER / SCHAEFFER, etc. I am only working on the family from the Virovitica area. Shaeffer is not the most common German or Austrian name but the ones from Istria are not obviously related to mine, who are on the other side of Croatia, on the Hungarian border. On the other hand, CARNELUTI sounds familiar. Maybe my uncle who is Italian has some ties to that name, and I will try to ask him about it, but he doesn't do e-mail. Did I write down his son's address the last time we talked? Sorry to sound exhausted, which is why I cannot quite think tonight. One goes from A to B, but today started at 7 am with a 33 mile drive for a 9 am hike thru a wetland, and I just got home. Hours of hiking and then I went to another wetland where I am doing some research. Hiked some more, admired the skunk cabbage, quite amazing, hiked back, drove 35 miles home. E-mail awaits and I cannot reason from B to C, too complex. I will look for my cousin's address or phone my uncle and let you know sometime soon. In the meantime, any SAFER / SCHAEFFER from Cabuna, Novaki; also HENK or HANDKE; FACULJAK from Korenchani; BAKIC from Dugo Selo; WIRTZ from Cresac or Orecac; HARTUNG from Novaki; FIERST or FIRSCH from Cabuna: would you please write? I might have a pile of cousins for you. FACULJAK, by the way, is one of the rarest of USA names and I feel certain that all are related, rather closely. BAKIC also is a seldom found name, but I maybe do recall that Ellis has about 125 of them: I've been wondering where they all went. And I don't know of all of them, just the Wisconsin branch. If any one reading this has ties to more than one of those names, I'm sure some of my cousins are related to you. May I please try to put you in touch with them? Anyone else interested in wetlands, please write privately. And also, Dick, I don't think I can help with your branch of the SAFER family. Perhaps though, someone reading this will recognize a link to you. Good luck. Dobro spavai, Ashley researching in the Virovitica area SAFER, SCHAEFFER, and related names and in the Rijeka area, GRUBISIC, PETROVICH, and many other names >Ashley > >My aunt's mother's surname was Safer (or Saffer) and her father's surname was >Kocevar. She was born somewhere on the Istrian Peninsula. She came to >America in the 1920s preceded by her brother Peter. She married Leonard >Carneluti and they later changed their name to Cornell. Does this fit with >any of your information? > >Dick Puz --

Thank you very much I understand it now. Actually I believe some of them live in Vojvodina in Banat (that's where my father comes from). Thanks again , Rosana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Given name - "Goames" (Latin) > > > Davor wrote: > > > > Hello Frank, > > you really know the history well, but there is one question I got for you: > > who are Ruthenes? Thanks for the answer > > Rosana > > Carpatho-Rusyn (Ruthene) ethnicity ? > Ruthenian/Rusnak/Carpatho-Rusyns tended to be Greek Catholic religion. > > Rusyns (not Russians) speak 'po nashemu'; their language is similar to > Ukrainian and also uses the Cyrillic alphabet, but the Latin alphabet > has also been used, especially in Slovakia. > > > After the fall of Communism in Slovakia, the Carpatho-Rusyns > chose to identify as Slovaks rather than as Ukrainians. > > The actor Tom Selleck and American artist Andy Warhol were of > Rusyn ethnicity. > The American actor Robert Urich was half-Rusyn, half-Slovak. > > In Russian Poland (1875) the Czar abolished Byzantine Catholicism > (Uniate) rite and the faithful were forced to "convert" to Eastern > Orthodox. > In the beginning of the 20th century many of them converted to Roman > Catholicism which resulted in their Polonization. Those who remained > Orthodox usually felt themselves to be Ukrainians. > > http://www.rusyn.com/ >

Ashley My aunt's mother's surname was Safer (or Saffer) and her father's surname was Kocevar. She was born somewhere on the Istrian Peninsula. She came to America in the 1920s preceded by her brother Peter. She married Leonard Carneluti and they later changed their name to Cornell. Does this fit with any of your information? Dick Puz

Get rich quick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lawrie" <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Fw: Nevjerovanta priika.... > Don > > What does it say? > > Mary Lawrie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Marinkovich" <djedo@2z.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 2:44 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Fw: Nevjerovanta priika.... > > > > Look at what I got in my mail. Croation spam. I don't think that I like > > this kind of progress. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <bisico@volja.net> > > To: <djedo@2z.net> > > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:33 PM > > Subject: Nevjerovanta priika.... > > > > > > > Postovanje! > > > > > > Ne propustite ovu veliku priliku da osigurate sebi dodatnu a moguce i > > nevjerojatnu zaradu. > > > Ako ste i vi jedan od onih nezadovoljnih sadasnjim primanjima? > > > Mozda je bas ovo posao za vas. > > > > > > U kratkim crtama,ovo je posao koji obavljate kod kuce. Ali > > vjerujte,stvarno radite kod kuce. Posao je vezan za vase racunalo a > > mogucnosti zarade su stvarno velike. > > > > > > Slijedite nas do bolje buducnosti. > > > > > > Nisu potrebne posebne vjestine,pomoci cemo vam u svemu sto je potrebno > da > > > znate vezano uz ovaj posao. > > > > > > Prikljucite nam se i saznajte sve o ovome.Prikljucite se besplatno i > > vidjet cete da ovo nisu prazne price. > > > > > > Upamtite,besplatno je i nemate nikakvih obveza. > > > > > > Nemate nista za izgubiti a dobiti mozete mnogo!!! > > > > > > Posjetite nase stranice: > > > http://bs-3.freewebspace.com/cro.htm > > > > > > I provjerite dali vrijedi. > > > > > > Sve najbolje vama i vasima! > > > > > > Simon BICO > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------- > > > Ovo je poruka koja se salje samo jednom > > > i oprostite ako smo vas njome uznemirili. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > >

Davor wrote: > > Hello Frank, > you really know the history well, but there is one question I got for you: > who are Ruthenes? Thanks for the answer > Rosana Carpatho-Rusyn (Ruthene) ethnicity ? Ruthenian/Rusnak/Carpatho-Rusyns tended to be Greek Catholic religion. Rusyns (not Russians) speak 'po nashemu'; their language is similar to Ukrainian and also uses the Cyrillic alphabet, but the Latin alphabet has also been used, especially in Slovakia. After the fall of Communism in Slovakia, the Carpatho-Rusyns chose to identify as Slovaks rather than as Ukrainians. The actor Tom Selleck and American artist Andy Warhol were of Rusyn ethnicity. The American actor Robert Urich was half-Rusyn, half-Slovak. In Russian Poland (1875) the Czar abolished Byzantine Catholicism (Uniate) rite and the faithful were forced to "convert" to Eastern Orthodox. In the beginning of the 20th century many of them converted to Roman Catholicism which resulted in their Polonization. Those who remained Orthodox usually felt themselves to be Ukrainians. http://www.rusyn.com/

Ok this one is probably going to be a hard one but where to now. I've received information from the Priest in Lukovo Sugarje to 1800 on both parents sides but he tells me this is all the records he has and doesnt have anything more prior to this date, I've spoken to Drzavni arhiv in Zagreb who are telling me the same they have no idea where the records would be, any suggestions anyone? Mary Lawrie

Thank you Dave said very well. So anyone who is not aware what a spam email is: A "spam" e-mail is generally defined as an unsolicited mailing, usually to many people. A message written for, and mailed to, one individual that is known to the sender is not spam, and a reply to an e-mail is not spam, unless the "reply" repeats endlessly. Spam e-mailers have become a separate part of the Internet, with their own host computers, methods, and politics. Many Internet sites have begun to forbid spamming, for several reasons - one is a sense that it is unethical, another is that, over time, other Internet sites will stop all e-mail from that site and thus prevent legitimate e-mail from getting through. As a result, spammers have begun to set up their own Internet sites -- sites that cater to, or encourage, spamming. Now back to more history and genealogy. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <dave9759@juno.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Fw: Nevjerovanta priika.... > I see where some ofthese messages might take an ugly tone because of > possible misinterpetations > > - perhaps it is time to change the subject for a while.? > In my reading them, it appears that someone may have misunderstood the > original intent of the first messages. > I hope before feelings get hurt, everyone will re-read them, and try to > better understand the intent of the messages; - which to me appears to be > an attempt to identify historical regions and languages, etc. not a > denunciation of any culture or society. > > Peace to all- > Dave > > > On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:51:04 -0500 "Don Marinkovich" <djedo@2z.net> > writes: > > How could you posibly come up with the idea that I'm predjudiced on > > this > > starokrajska benavia. My mother had boarders from the time she came > > to the > > U.S. and she never cared who was what. Svi su bili nashi, and there > > a lot > > of different dialects. When I was a kid I knew nothing of the > > geography or > > history of that area. When all the bloodshed was going on over there > > my son > > asked me "Dad, what are we", I told him that he was better off not > > knowing > > anything about that stuff. There's nothing to be proud of over > > there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > .From: "Davor" <ddavor@volja.net> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 1:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Fw: Nevjerovanta priika.... > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > I'm not sure I understand the word spam, but since you are saying > > that you > > > don't like it- not everybody is obsessed with Serbians and > > Croatians and a > > > little war they are having. Some of us are simply Yugoslavians > > especially > > if > > > born in mixed marriage as I was. Let me explain: my father is > > Serbian who > > > worked in Yugoslav army and they were moved up and down the > > former > > > Yugoslavia. He ended up living and working in Slovenia and married > > my > > > Slovene mother. I believe I was raised the only right way which is > > not to > > > make any differences between different races. It's the same as you > > should > > > raise your children especially in the States where so many > > different races > > > live. I married Croatian and I really love him for what kind of > > person he > > is > > > and not for his origin. Hope that makes everything clear? > > > Rosana > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Don Marinkovich" <djedo@2z.net> > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 6:44 AM > > > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Fw: Nevjerovanta priika.... > > > > > > > > > > Look at what I got in my mail. Croation spam. I don't think > > that I > > like > > > > this kind of progress. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <bisico@volja.net> > > > > To: <djedo@2z.net> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:33 PM > > > > Subject: Nevjerovanta priika.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Postovanje! > > > > > > > > > > Ne propustite ovu veliku priliku da osigurate sebi dodatnu a > > moguce i > > > > nevjerojatnu zaradu. > > > > > Ako ste i vi jedan od onih nezadovoljnih sadasnjim > > primanjima? > > > > > Mozda je bas ovo posao za vas. > > > > > > > > > > U kratkim crtama,ovo je posao koji obavljate kod kuce. Ali > > > > vjerujte,stvarno radite kod kuce. Posao je vezan za vase > > racunalo a > > > > mogucnosti zarade su stvarno velike. > > > > > > > > > > Slijedite nas do bolje buducnosti. > > > > > > > > > > Nisu potrebne posebne vjestine,pomoci cemo vam u svemu sto je > > potrebno > > > da > > > > > znate vezano uz ovaj posao. > > > > > > > > > > Prikljucite nam se i saznajte sve o ovome.Prikljucite se > > besplatno i > > > > vidjet cete da ovo nisu prazne price. > > > > > > > > > > Upamtite,besplatno je i nemate nikakvih obveza. > > > > > > > > > > Nemate nista za izgubiti a dobiti mozete mnogo!!! > > > > > > > > > > Posjetite nase stranice: > > > > > http://bs-3.freewebspace.com/cro.htm > > > > > > > > > > I provjerite dali vrijedi. > > > > > > > > > > Sve najbolje vama i vasima! > > > > > > > > > > Simon BICO > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > Ovo je poruka koja se salje samo jednom > > > > > i oprostite ako smo vas njome uznemirili. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Great, thanks for the info! Yes, it is quite possible that the spelling I have is different from that used by my relatives. I suspected as much at times because I have been unable to find any info on the Delosic names at Ellis Island. I appreciate the time you took and the info you provided, I know we have a FHC around here so it looks like I have film rolls to order! Thanks K Doyle On Saturday, June 8, 2002, at 04:01 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: > DELOSIC is not found in Ellis Is. immigration records nor in online > Croaitan > phone books. Possilby the sp is off? > > JELENIC, sound like yeleneech, root is possibly female given name > Jelen, IC > ending means son of. 23 found in Ellis Is. records and 334 in Croatia > online phone book. Many from DELNICE. > > PLESHE original sp most likely PLES'E, sounds like plesha. 222 found in > Ellis Is. records, and 519 in Croatia online phone books. Many from > Delnice. > > Have you found Ellis Is records? > > Microfilm records for Delnice are available to you at a Family History > Center near you. They have microfilm marriage, birth and death records > for > the Roman Catholic Church from 1858-1890. > > Robert Jerin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K. Doyle" <kdoyle@charter.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] St. Louis industries, emigrants from Delnice > > >> >> I am researching Delosic, Jelenich, and Pleshe at the moment, I am the >> third generation born in America but I am not making much head way in >> finding anything on my relatives. I must admit that I have not really >> made an effort to focus intensely, still just grazing the genealogical >> field. Someday though I hope to find a lot more and maybe even >> schedule >> a nice little trip! >> >> Thanks >> >> K Doyle >> On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 11:10 PM, Ashley Tiwara wrote: >> >>> K., >>> Delnice is only a few miles from Mrkopalj, where my grandparents >>> were from. May I inquire what surnames you research? >>> >>> Just in case, >>> Ashley >>> PETROVIC, GRUBISIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMICH, KAUZLARIC, >>> BALEN or BAILEN, PASKVAN, SCHAEFFER, and a whole bunch more >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> When you do things right, people won't be sure >> you've done anything at all. >> >>> >>> -- >> > > ---------------------------------------------------- I look like a normal person but actually I am the Angel of Death. -"When Harry Met Sally"

Kay, Are you serious? Another SCHAEFFER heard from! Wow! O.K., there are two SCHAEFFER /SCHAEFER lines in Milwaukee, one my aunt's family, and one the family of Charles, but both from the same small town Cabuna, and both coming to Milwaukee in the years just before WW1. Charles' family includes a marriage to my aunt's cousin, but we cannot find the probable common ancestor to these two lines, so far. Are you part of either family? My aunt's family spells it here with 2 FF's, Charles' family uses one F. In Croatia, my aunt's family was SAFER, possibly also SEFER as you write of your ancestors. I don't know that Charles has told me of how his family spelt it in Cabuna. Please do write again so that we may possibly connect you to these lines, and... oh-wouldn't-it-be-wonderful... maybe even find the prototype ancestor. Golly geepers, Ashley >In a message dated 6/6/2002 6:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time, >kdoyle@charter.net writes: > > >> > PETROVIC, GRUBISIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMICH, KAUZLARIC, >> > BALEN or BAILEN, PASKVAN, SCHAEFFER, and a whole bunch more > >I am researching the Schaefer's from Cabuna does that fit in the picture at >all. I believe it was spelled Sefer in Cabuna. --

In a message dated 6/6/2002 6:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time, kdoyle@charter.net writes: > > PETROVIC, GRUBISIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMICH, KAUZLARIC, > > BALEN or BAILEN, PASKVAN, SCHAEFFER, and a whole bunch more I am researching the Schaefer's from Cabuna does that fit in the picture at all. I believe it was spelled Sefer in Cabuna.

In a message dated 6/8/2002 1:42:21 AM Central Daylight Time, ddavor@volja.net writes: > Dear Sir, > I'm not sure I understand the word spam, but since you are saying that you > don't like it- not everybody is obsessed with Serbians and Croatians and a > little war they are having. Some of us are simply Yugoslavians especially > if > born in mixed marriage as I was. Let me explain: my father is Serbian who > worked in Yugoslav army and they were moved up and down the former > Yugoslavia. He ended up living and working in Slovenia and married my > Slovene mother. I believe I was raised the only right way which is not to > make any differences between different races. It's the same as you should > raise your children especially in the States where so many different races > live. I married Croatian and I really love him for what kind of person he > is > and not for his origin. Hope that makes everything clear? > Rosana AMEN Chuck

Ask the priest if the diocese keeps archives, some do. Perhaps the records have been archived. Dave On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:05:43 +1000 "Mary Lawrie" <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> writes: > Ok this one is probably going to be a hard one but where to now. > I've > received information from the Priest in Lukovo Sugarje to 1800 on > both > parents sides but he tells me this is all the records he has and > doesnt have > anything more prior to this date, I've spoken to Drzavni arhiv in > Zagreb who > are telling me the same they have no idea where the records would > be, any > suggestions anyone? > > Mary Lawrie > > > > > >

My dictionary says that a jelen is a stag deer. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMSWI04@aol.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Fw: Nevjerovanta priika.... > In a message dated 6/8/2002 1:42:21 AM Central Daylight Time, > ddavor@volja.net writes: > > > > Dear Sir, > > I'm not sure I understand the word spam, but since you are saying that you > > don't like it- not everybody is obsessed with Serbians and Croatians and a > > little war they are having. Some of us are simply Yugoslavians especially > > if > > born in mixed marriage as I was. Let me explain: my father is Serbian who > > worked in Yugoslav army and they were moved up and down the former > > Yugoslavia. He ended up living and working in Slovenia and married my > > Slovene mother. I believe I was raised the only right way which is not to > > make any differences between different races. It's the same as you should > > raise your children especially in the States where so many different races > > live. I married Croatian and I really love him for what kind of person he > > is > > and not for his origin. Hope that makes everything clear? > > Rosana > > AMEN > Chuck >

Hvala Bogu it would seem that we all agree. Dragutin Marinkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMSWI04@aol.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Fw: Nevjerovanta priika.... > In a message dated 6/8/2002 1:42:21 AM Central Daylight Time, > ddavor@volja.net writes: > > > > Dear Sir, > > I'm not sure I understand the word spam, but since you are saying that you > > don't like it- not everybody is obsessed with Serbians and Croatians and a > > little war they are having. Some of us are simply Yugoslavians especially > > if > > born in mixed marriage as I was. Let me explain: my father is Serbian who > > worked in Yugoslav army and they were moved up and down the former > > Yugoslavia. He ended up living and working in Slovenia and married my > > Slovene mother. I believe I was raised the only right way which is not to > > make any differences between different races. It's the same as you should > > raise your children especially in the States where so many different races > > live. I married Croatian and I really love him for what kind of person he > > is > > and not for his origin. Hope that makes everything clear? > > Rosana > > AMEN > Chuck >