There is a site where you cand find several stories about Zagreb's places (City streets, city blocks, city squares, Zagreb's history, etc) on audio formas (Real audio), so you can download the tale and listen it from your computer. The tales are in croatian, it's a pity to me beacause I don't understand croatian but i think that is a very good site. http://www.hrt.hr/hr/audio/zgbzapisi_eng.html This links and their histories are not genealogical but history allways helps to understand things that happened in the past.. Enjoy it..!! Diego M. Vukovich Researching: Dugi, Znidar, Tomasec, Fekeza, Vesely Gho, Ferretti, Molina mail: dvukov@speedy.com.ar

Have another couple given names and a few other words that I ran across today: Louve (is probably Lovro or Lovre - Lawrence) Guipar = ? (spelling is ?, esp the 2nd letter. the phone book found one alternate spelling suggestion: Gripar) On a death record: (woman's name) vidua ?unov? vidua is "widow" but can't make out the second word, all the letters look alike. Under her deceased husband's name is a word that looks like "Rurivolac". Any ideas? For cause of deaths we saw: Severtus = ? Dipteritis = Diphtheria? Gliste = Intensinal worms? TIA, James and Tami Birkholz

umirovljenik person retired from work, senior citizen zapisnicar person taking NOTES ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lawrie" <marylawrie@optusnet.com.au> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:47 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Occupations > bolnicarka nurse > bravar locksmith > brijac barbar > cinovnik office worker > dak pupil, schoolboy > dimnjacar chimney sweeper > elektricar electronics engineer > gostionicar publican, inn keeper > inzinjer diploma engineer > kovac blacksmith > krojacica dressmaker > kucanica housewife > limar plumber > loncar potter > lugar forester, ranger > majstor master > mehanicar mechanic > mesar butcher > mlinar miller > mornar sailor > novinar jounalist > ovcar shepherd > pekar baker > pisar clerk > poljodjelac farmer, peasant > radnik worker > ribar fisherman > rudar miner > seljanka peasant > slasticer confectioner > stolar joiner, carpenter > tesar carpenter > trgovac shopkeeper > ucenica pupil, schoolgirl > umirovjenik pensioner ? > urar watchmaker > zapisnicar person taking minutes > zeljeznicar railway man > zemljoradnik farmer, agricultural > zidar bricklayer > > > > I took this from a book I have with listings of names and occupations of people from the Lika / Gospic area around 1945 > regards > Mary >

bolnicarka nurse bravar locksmith brijac barbar cinovnik office worker dak pupil, schoolboy dimnjacar chimney sweeper elektricar electronics engineer gostionicar publican, inn keeper inzinjer diploma engineer kovac blacksmith krojacica dressmaker kucanica housewife limar plumber loncar potter lugar forester, ranger majstor master mehanicar mechanic mesar butcher mlinar miller mornar sailor novinar jounalist ovcar shepherd pekar baker pisar clerk poljodjelac farmer, peasant radnik worker ribar fisherman rudar miner seljanka peasant slasticer confectioner stolar joiner, carpenter tesar carpenter trgovac shopkeeper ucenica pupil, schoolgirl umirovjenik pensioner ? urar watchmaker zapisnicar person taking minutes zeljeznicar railway man zemljoradnik farmer, agricultural zidar bricklayer I took this from a book I have with listings of names and occupations of people from the Lika / Gospic area around 1945 regards Mary

Sretan ocov dan! ----- Original Message ----- From: <dave9759@juno.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > Just wanted to wish everyone a happy father's day. > This is especially appropriate to group which is as family oriented as > genealogists. > Good luck in researching your fore-fathers, etc., > Dave >

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Just wanted to wish everyone a happy father's day. This is especially appropriate to group which is as family oriented as genealogists. Good luck in researching your fore-fathers, etc., Dave

The current online phone book lists an address for this church, so it is still operating. I don't believe that I ever said that the LDS had microfilmed records. And the statement that "church inventory" was destroyed does not tell us exactly what that was. If someone had been in touch with someone from that area recently who said they saw the surname on church records then one may suspect that those records may exist at the church today. And if not then the National Archives should have those records. One should check with the church and then the archives normal times or not. Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > I think we are talking about the same thing. Records are filmed by each > > parish, ie parishes are not filmed together nor are towns of one parish > > filmed along with another parish on the same film. I believe what > > Christopher was asking was could Tompojevci been inc. with any regional > > films. The answer is no. The parish for Tompjevci is located in that town > > (since sometime in 1800s) and would not have been inc in any other regional > > film. The church located in Tompjevci may have served other towns/villages > > in the area, in that case if we search for those other towns/villages at LDS > > we are not likely to find them. > > What you write may be true in normal times. > This was another special case. > A church had existed in Tompojevci which is located 154 miles ESE of > Zagreb in Vukovarsko z^upanija (county) > > Back on 13 December 2001 wrote : > > Tompojevci (z^upa Tompojevci) crke (svete Marije Magdalene) > Crka je sagradjena 1856 a obnovljena 1906. Pripadnici pobunjenih > Srba i Jugoslavenske narodne armije z^upni su dom opljackali, crku tesko > ostetile a inventar potpuno unistili, u rujnu/prosincu 1991. > > (Parish Tompojevci) church St. Mary Magdalene. > Church was built in 1856 and renovated in 1906. > Members of the rebel Serbian forces and the Yugoslav National Army > severely damaged the parish house and church and destroyed church > inventory in September/December 1991. > > As far as I know the LDS had not previously filmed its parish church > records ? > > > > > > In the case of a LDS search were no records are found, we need to determine > > if a church existed in that town. If no church existed then we need to > > determine which parish that town/village belonged to. Tom Ninkovich has > > developed one method, that appears to have been successful in many cases, by > > using Postal Codes. First check the NEW online phone book and determine if > > that town/village has a church. Find the postal code for the town/village > > in question and then bring up a list of all towns/villages in that Postal > > Code and find which one has a church. For instance in the case of my GMs > > village, Slapno (Karlovacka zupanija) > > > > 1) Phone book lists no church for Slapno (you need to search by county and > > look at all the listings) > > > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > > > 2) LDS finds no records. > > > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > > > 3) Postal Code Search Type name using all caps then click on Traz"i! (means > > search) this will display Postal code which shows Slapno as shows Slapno as > > 47281 (Mali Erjavec Post office) then from the line which reads Podatak koji > > se pretrazuje select "Naziv pos"tanskog ureda, this will then give you all > > the towns/villages in that Postal Code. In the case of 4728` there are 11 > > towns/villages. > > > > http://www.posta.hr/mjestaasp/ > > > > 4) A search for churches in online phone book finds that only Svetice has a > > church today. > > > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > > > 5) A search of LDS Family History Library finds they only have records for > > one of those 11 towns/villages.... Svetice. > > > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > > > Title Maticna knjiga, 1789-1858 > > Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Svetice (Main Author) > > > > Note Location > > Film > > Rodeni 1789-1858 VAULT INTL Film > > 1551387 Items 3-5 > > > > Vjencani 1789-1857 Umrli 1789-1820 Umrli 1825-1857 VAULT INTL Film > > 1551388 Items 1-5 > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, address and > > > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from churches in > > Croatia > > > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > region. > > > > > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > > > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > > > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > > > in which they had filmed church > > > records. > > > > > > FHLC > > > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > > > (2 of 5 below) > > > > > > Titles > > > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > > > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might have > > filmed > > > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have that town > > > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's records may > > > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was in > > touch > > > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had located a > > record > > > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But have > > since > > > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com Researching > > Surnames: > > > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > > > > >

Yes, no one should expect someone to work on their behalf at no cost! And especially not those like the parishes and priest who could use the money for worthy work! Tom Ninkovich does a good job of how much to donate and how to "get to know" the priest so as to get the most of your search. http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/lesson3.html Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: <dave9759@juno.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > I just want to add that if a church closed, then the records would most > likely go to the Diocese Archives, you would need to determine which > Diocese the church is in, - look for a Cathedral( the bishops seat), and > find the offices for that Diocese. I.E if a church in the Split Diocese > were to close you would look for the Cathedral(which is Split), then look > for the Split Diocese Offices; write them and ask to have the parish > archives researched for the records you want. By the way, most parishes > are poor, and a small donation seems to help as well. > Dave > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:30:46 -0400 "Robert Jerin" <rjerin@adelphia.net> > writes: > > I think we are talking about the same thing. Records are filmed by > > each > > parish, ie parishes are not filmed together nor are towns of one > > parish > > filmed along with another parish on the same film. I believe what > > Christopher was asking was could Tompojevci been inc. with any > > regional > > films. The answer is no. The parish for Tompjevci is located in > > that town > > (since sometime in 1800s) and would not have been inc in any other > > regional > > film. The church located in Tompjevci may have served other > > towns/villages > > in the area, in that case if we search for those other > > towns/villages at LDS > > we are not likely to find them. > > > > In the case of a LDS search were no records are found, we need to > > determine > > if a church existed in that town. If no church existed then we need > > to > > determine which parish that town/village belonged to. Tom Ninkovich > > has > > developed one method, that appears to have been successful in many > > cases, by > > using Postal Codes. First check the NEW online phone book and > > determine if > > that town/village has a church. Find the postal code for the > > town/village > > in question and then bring up a list of all towns/villages in that > > Postal > > Code and find which one has a church. For instance in the case of > > my GMs > > village, Slapno (Karlovacka zupanija) > > > > 1) Phone book lists no church for Slapno (you need to search by > > county and > > look at all the listings) > > > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > > > 2) LDS finds no records. > > > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > > > 3) Postal Code Search Type name using all caps then click on Traz"i! > > (means > > search) this will display Postal code which shows Slapno as shows > > Slapno as > > 47281 (Mali Erjavec Post office) then from the line which reads > > Podatak koji > > se pretrazuje select "Naziv pos"tanskog ureda, this will then give > > you all > > the towns/villages in that Postal Code. In the case of 4728` there > > are 11 > > towns/villages. > > > > http://www.posta.hr/mjestaasp/ > > > > 4) A search for churches in online phone book finds that only > > Svetice has a > > church today. > > > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > > > 5) A search of LDS Family History Library finds they only have > > records for > > one of those 11 towns/villages.... Svetice. > > > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > > > Title Maticna knjiga, 1789-1858 > > Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Svetice (Main Author) > > > > Note Location > > Film > > Rodeni 1789-1858 VAULT INTL Film > > 1551387 Items 3-5 > > > > Vjencani 1789-1857 Umrli 1789-1820 Umrli 1825-1857 VAULT INTL Film > > 1551388 Items 1-5 > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, > > address and > > > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from > > churches in > > Croatia > > > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > > > region. > > > > > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > > > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > > > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > > > in which they had filmed church > > > records. > > > > > > FHLC > > > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > > > (2 of 5 below) > > > > > > Titles > > > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > > > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might > > have > > filmed > > > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have > > that town > > > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's > > records may > > > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was > > in > > touch > > > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had > > located a > > record > > > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But > > have > > since > > > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com > > Researching > > Surnames: > > > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Robert Jerin wrote: > > I think we are talking about the same thing. Records are filmed by each > parish, ie parishes are not filmed together nor are towns of one parish > filmed along with another parish on the same film. I believe what > Christopher was asking was could Tompojevci been inc. with any regional > films. The answer is no. The parish for Tompjevci is located in that town > (since sometime in 1800s) and would not have been inc in any other regional > film. The church located in Tompjevci may have served other towns/villages > in the area, in that case if we search for those other towns/villages at LDS > we are not likely to find them. What you write may be true in normal times. This was another special case. A church had existed in Tompojevci which is located 154 miles ESE of Zagreb in Vukovarsko z^upanija (county) Back on 13 December 2001 wrote : Tompojevci (z^upa Tompojevci) crke (svete Marije Magdalene) Crka je sagradjena 1856 a obnovljena 1906. Pripadnici pobunjenih Srba i Jugoslavenske narodne armije z^upni su dom opljackali, crku tesko ostetile a inventar potpuno unistili, u rujnu/prosincu 1991. (Parish Tompojevci) church St. Mary Magdalene. Church was built in 1856 and renovated in 1906. Members of the rebel Serbian forces and the Yugoslav National Army severely damaged the parish house and church and destroyed church inventory in September/December 1991. As far as I know the LDS had not previously filmed its parish church records ? > > In the case of a LDS search were no records are found, we need to determine > if a church existed in that town. If no church existed then we need to > determine which parish that town/village belonged to. Tom Ninkovich has > developed one method, that appears to have been successful in many cases, by > using Postal Codes. First check the NEW online phone book and determine if > that town/village has a church. Find the postal code for the town/village > in question and then bring up a list of all towns/villages in that Postal > Code and find which one has a church. For instance in the case of my GMs > village, Slapno (Karlovacka zupanija) > > 1) Phone book lists no church for Slapno (you need to search by county and > look at all the listings) > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > 2) LDS finds no records. > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > 3) Postal Code Search Type name using all caps then click on Traz"i! (means > search) this will display Postal code which shows Slapno as shows Slapno as > 47281 (Mali Erjavec Post office) then from the line which reads Podatak koji > se pretrazuje select "Naziv pos"tanskog ureda, this will then give you all > the towns/villages in that Postal Code. In the case of 4728` there are 11 > towns/villages. > > http://www.posta.hr/mjestaasp/ > > 4) A search for churches in online phone book finds that only Svetice has a > church today. > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > 5) A search of LDS Family History Library finds they only have records for > one of those 11 towns/villages.... Svetice. > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > Title Maticna knjiga, 1789-1858 > Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Svetice (Main Author) > > Note Location > Film > Rodeni 1789-1858 VAULT INTL Film > 1551387 Items 3-5 > > Vjencani 1789-1857 Umrli 1789-1820 Umrli 1825-1857 VAULT INTL Film > 1551388 Items 1-5 > > Robert Jerin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:43 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, address and > > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from churches in > Croatia > > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > region. > > > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > > in which they had filmed church > > records. > > > > FHLC > > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > > (2 of 5 below) > > > > Titles > > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might have > filmed > > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have that town > > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's records may > > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was in > touch > > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had located a > record > > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But have > since > > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com Researching > Surnames: > > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > >

I just want to add that if a church closed, then the records would most likely go to the Diocese Archives, you would need to determine which Diocese the church is in, - look for a Cathedral( the bishops seat), and find the offices for that Diocese. I.E if a church in the Split Diocese were to close you would look for the Cathedral(which is Split), then look for the Split Diocese Offices; write them and ask to have the parish archives researched for the records you want. By the way, most parishes are poor, and a small donation seems to help as well. Dave On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:30:46 -0400 "Robert Jerin" <rjerin@adelphia.net> writes: > I think we are talking about the same thing. Records are filmed by > each > parish, ie parishes are not filmed together nor are towns of one > parish > filmed along with another parish on the same film. I believe what > Christopher was asking was could Tompojevci been inc. with any > regional > films. The answer is no. The parish for Tompjevci is located in > that town > (since sometime in 1800s) and would not have been inc in any other > regional > film. The church located in Tompjevci may have served other > towns/villages > in the area, in that case if we search for those other > towns/villages at LDS > we are not likely to find them. > > In the case of a LDS search were no records are found, we need to > determine > if a church existed in that town. If no church existed then we need > to > determine which parish that town/village belonged to. Tom Ninkovich > has > developed one method, that appears to have been successful in many > cases, by > using Postal Codes. First check the NEW online phone book and > determine if > that town/village has a church. Find the postal code for the > town/village > in question and then bring up a list of all towns/villages in that > Postal > Code and find which one has a church. For instance in the case of > my GMs > village, Slapno (Karlovacka zupanija) > > 1) Phone book lists no church for Slapno (you need to search by > county and > look at all the listings) > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > 2) LDS finds no records. > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > 3) Postal Code Search Type name using all caps then click on Traz"i! > (means > search) this will display Postal code which shows Slapno as shows > Slapno as > 47281 (Mali Erjavec Post office) then from the line which reads > Podatak koji > se pretrazuje select "Naziv pos"tanskog ureda, this will then give > you all > the towns/villages in that Postal Code. In the case of 4728` there > are 11 > towns/villages. > > http://www.posta.hr/mjestaasp/ > > 4) A search for churches in online phone book finds that only > Svetice has a > church today. > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > 5) A search of LDS Family History Library finds they only have > records for > one of those 11 towns/villages.... Svetice. > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > Title Maticna knjiga, 1789-1858 > Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Svetice (Main Author) > > Note Location > Film > Rodeni 1789-1858 VAULT INTL Film > 1551387 Items 3-5 > > Vjencani 1789-1857 Umrli 1789-1820 Umrli 1825-1857 VAULT INTL Film > 1551388 Items 1-5 > > > Robert Jerin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:43 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, > address and > > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from > churches in > Croatia > > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > > region. > > > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > > in which they had filmed church > > records. > > > > FHLC > > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > > (2 of 5 below) > > > > Titles > > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might > have > filmed > > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have > that town > > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's > records may > > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was > in > touch > > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had > located a > record > > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But > have > since > > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly > appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com > Researching > Surnames: > > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > > > >

Not all Roman Catholic Parishes were filmed, some small towns may not have had a church in which case the nearest larger community would be your best bet in finding a church. Dave On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:43:02 -0600 Frank Kurchina <frankur@worldnet.att.net> writes: > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, > address and > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from churches > in Croatia > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > > region. > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > in which they had filmed church > records. > > FHLC > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > (2 of 5 below) > > Titles > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might > have filmed > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have > that town > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's > records may > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was > in touch > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had located > a record > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But > have since > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com Researching > Surnames: > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > >

I think we are talking about the same thing. Records are filmed by each parish, ie parishes are not filmed together nor are towns of one parish filmed along with another parish on the same film. I believe what Christopher was asking was could Tompojevci been inc. with any regional films. The answer is no. The parish for Tompjevci is located in that town (since sometime in 1800s) and would not have been inc in any other regional film. The church located in Tompjevci may have served other towns/villages in the area, in that case if we search for those other towns/villages at LDS we are not likely to find them. In the case of a LDS search were no records are found, we need to determine if a church existed in that town. If no church existed then we need to determine which parish that town/village belonged to. Tom Ninkovich has developed one method, that appears to have been successful in many cases, by using Postal Codes. First check the NEW online phone book and determine if that town/village has a church. Find the postal code for the town/village in question and then bring up a list of all towns/villages in that Postal Code and find which one has a church. For instance in the case of my GMs village, Slapno (Karlovacka zupanija) 1) Phone book lists no church for Slapno (you need to search by county and look at all the listings) http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches 2) LDS finds no records. http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp 3) Postal Code Search Type name using all caps then click on Traz"i! (means search) this will display Postal code which shows Slapno as shows Slapno as 47281 (Mali Erjavec Post office) then from the line which reads Podatak koji se pretrazuje select "Naziv pos"tanskog ureda, this will then give you all the towns/villages in that Postal Code. In the case of 4728` there are 11 towns/villages. http://www.posta.hr/mjestaasp/ 4) A search for churches in online phone book finds that only Svetice has a church today. http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches 5) A search of LDS Family History Library finds they only have records for one of those 11 towns/villages.... Svetice. http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Title Maticna knjiga, 1789-1858 Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Svetice (Main Author) Note Location Film Rodeni 1789-1858 VAULT INTL Film 1551387 Items 3-5 Vjencani 1789-1857 Umrli 1789-1820 Umrli 1825-1857 VAULT INTL Film 1551388 Items 1-5 Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, address and > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from churches in Croatia > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > region. > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > in which they had filmed church > records. > > FHLC > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > (2 of 5 below) > > Titles > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might have filmed > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have that town > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's records may > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was in touch > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had located a record > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But have since > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com Researching Surnames: > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > >

Greetings. I made contact with a DOMINIKOVIC[H] family in Argentina but unfortunately the Email address has changed. Do you know this family or any named DOMINIKOVIC[H] Regards from New Zealand Ivan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/2002

Robert Jerin wrote: > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, address and > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from churches in Croatia > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > region. I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries in which they had filmed church records. FHLC For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records (2 of 5 below) Titles Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > Robert Jerin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might have filmed > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have that town > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's records may > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was in touch > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had located a record > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But have since > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com Researching Surnames: > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >

The COPs I know pronounce it cho(a)p (o has a long o sound) Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Birkholz, James" <James.Birkholz@usa.okmetic.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:07 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Surname "Co~p" > We've seen the surname "Cop" written many ways: Coop, Csoop, Czoop > But it seems to have stabilized at Co~p. > > We are curious about the pronounciation and how the earlier spellings fit. > > James and Tami Birkholz >

v My grandmother was a Cop. Her brothers in America spelled it Chopp, but I'm not sure if that's what they got at immigration or if they chose the spelling. The pronounciation she used was always 'chop', as in to chop wood. When we visited her hometown in Croatia (Lokve, Gorski Kotar region) there were many Cop in the town cemetary, and the local family we visited with also pronounced it the same way. I don't know the history any farther back than two generations though. Ken Beals (researching Puskaric and Cop) -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:rjerin@adelphia.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:55 PM To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Surname "Co~p" The COPs I know pronounce it cho(a)p (o has a long o sound) Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Birkholz, James" <James.Birkholz@usa.okmetic.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:07 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Surname "Co~p" > We've seen the surname "Cop" written many ways: Coop, Csoop, Czoop > But it seems to have stabilized at Co~p. > > We are curious about the pronounciation and how the earlier spellings fit. > > James and Tami Birkholz >

There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, address and phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci PHONE 385 32 730 049 Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from churches in Croatia inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or region. http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: Unidentified subject! > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might have filmed the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have that town listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's records may have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was in touch with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had located a record of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But have since lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com Researching Surnames: Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup >

The Manly response to the "Eve was better, and God was a woman joke" when God created "EVE" He knew it was a terrible joke, Who could get lost in paradise and not worry except a woman, Adam wouldn't need a remote if he wasn't given the apple, and thus knowledge of the worldly desires and vices. Fashion didn't exist until Eve grabbed a fig leaf instead of a palm leaf. Until Adam was tempted there was no illness or pain, thanks to woman - "Eve" even the slightest pain is agonizing to a man. Who needs garbage night when all those critters will gladly clean up for you, - oops, we diviated from God's divine plan, and now they don't respond to our wishes. Thank "God" Our Father saw fit to put the blame where it should lay, and so woman had childbirth - a reminder of "God's perfect creation" he allows her to share in - so she knows what "Eve" messed up. Every now and then Adam would hide a tool to get Eve out of his hair. Only a woman would find fault with a man for telling the blunt truth.. then claim to be the victim to escape blame... and make a man feel guilty about it. On the 6th day God created "Man" and called it Good, on the seventh day he rested. Yes, God was all man, that's why Adam had pleasure and Eve got the shaft... Question- "why do popular culturalist insist on identifying God as female, - Christ definitively Identified God as father in the "Lord's Prayer", and in some of his words - Mt28v42 "My Father, if it is not possible that this cup pass without my drinking it, your will be done!" and in his warning excerpted from Lk 9 v26 "Whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels." Sorry, I just get annoyed at people passing that old blasphemous joke about. - keep on laughing though. Dave On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:13:38 -0500 Ashley Tiwara <grubisic@netwurx.net> writes: > > > >>From cousin Pat to me, forwarded to you lightly edited. I thought > > >>we hadn't had a joke for a long time and found this quite amusing. > > >>As Pat is Croatian too, it's sent to the Croatia list. Bog's na ( > > >>probably mispelt that, didn't I ) > > Ashley > > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >> > >>Subject: Why God Created Eve... > >>subtitle: When God created Adam, she had a few problems > >> > >> > >> > >>10. God was worried that Adam would frequently become lost in the > garden > >>because he would not ask for directions. > >> > >>9. God knew that one day Adam would require someone to locate and > hand > >>him the remote. > >> > >>8. God knew Adam would never go out and buy himself a new fig leaf > when > >>his wore out and would therefore need Eve to buy one for him. > >> > >>7. God knew Adam would never be able to make a doctor's, dentist's > or > >>haircut appointment by himself. > >> > >>6. God knew Adam would never remember which night to put the > garbage on > >>the curb. > >> > >>5. God knew if the world was to be populated, men would never be > able to > >>handle the pain and discomfort of childbearing. > >> > >>4. As the Keeper of the Garden, Adam would never remember where he > left > >>his tools. > >> > >>3. Apparently, Adam needed someone to blame his troubles on when > God > >>caught him hiding in the garden. > >> > >>2. As the Bible says, "It is not good for man to be alone." > >> > >> > >>And, finally, the Number 1 reason why > >>God created Eve.... > >> > >> > >>1. When God finished the creation of Adam, She stepped back, > scratched > >>her head, and said, "I can do better than that!" > > > > > >-- > > > > > -- > >

Ivan Dominikovich wrote: > > Greetings. > I made contact with a DOMINIKOVIC[H] family in > Argentina but unfortunately the Email address has changed. > Do you know this family or any named DOMINIKOVIC[H] > Regards from New Zealand > Ivan I don't know e-mail address. http://www.teldir.com/real/frame.asp?page=http://www.paginas-doradas.com.ar/PDPortal/guia_telefonica/guia_telefonica.asp Guía telefónica lists a Estanislao Domininkovic' under Buenos Aires and a Alaba Domonikovic' under Buenos Aires capital. You need to scroll the Argentina telephone white pages above for surname by province. An Aussie-born tennis player of Croatian descent is Evie Dominikovic'. > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/2002