on 6/24/02 2:23 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: >> >> Hi List!I found some information this morning at EIR about Luke Pavokovic, I >> believe my grandmother's brother who arrived in NY from Croatia in 1910. The >> new information is from 1922. He arrived home from a trip abroad. He was >> living in Los Angeles and was now a naturalized citizen. The date of >> naturalization was Nov. 25, 1913 in the District Court of New York. This is >> a big break through for me. I have never requested naturalization >> information before and I was wondering if anyone has any tips about how to >> go about it, the cost, what kinds of information they contain, etc. >> Thanks for any help. It is greatly appreciated. >> Mary Hegarty > > Naturalization papers came in three flavors : > > 1.Declaration of intention > (name, age, occupation, personal description, date and place > of birth, wife's name and her place of birth, present and last > foreign address, vessel or ship sailed on and from what port of > embarkation, port of arrival and date, signature) > > 2.Petition for naturalization > (data listed in 1. above plus marital status, children's name, and names > of two witnesses) > Often referred to as the "application for citizenship," "second papers," > or "final papers." > > 3.Record Certificate of Naturalization > (this was the document which granted citizenship. Contains some > items but not the details above). It was meant to be a sort of > souvenir of the official proceedings. > > Any woman, between 1855-1922, automatically became a citizen when > her husband was naturalized. Children under age of 16 as well.. > if between age 16-21 when immigrated to U.S. but required to wait > until after 21st birthday. Wives after 1922 had to apply for their own > naturalization. > > Remember, for pre-1906 naturalization records you must figure out > where the immigrant did (or could) naturalize, and look for that court's > records. If it was a federal court, those records are likely at the > appropriate Regional National Archives. After 1906 the procedure is just > the same, except that there was a copy of ALL naturalization records > since September 27, 1906, are filed with the U.S. Immigration and > Naturalization Service. So if you cannot determine which court > naturalized the immigrant after 1906, or if the courthouse burned and > the post-1906 records were lost, or you could request a copy from the > INS under the Freedom of Information Act. > > > You can e-mail the regional National Archives (NARA) > Northeast Region-New York City NY to search their surname > naturalization index. > > > E-mail: newyork.archives@nara.gov > > Holdings : > Maintains archival records from Federal agencies and courts in New > Jersey, New York, Puerto Rico, and the U.S.Virgin Islands. > > > > Request a surname naturalization record search and provide > as much as you can of the following: > > Name > Date of birth > Place of birth > Year of immigration > Ship and port of arrival > Year of naturalization > Marital status > Names of spouse and dependents > Residence at time of naturalization > > Also provide your name and U.S. Postal mail address. > > NARA will also respond to your query by e-mail. > If located , upon payment of $ 6 fee will mail you his naturalization > papers. > > You will receive acknowledgement of request following a few days > (or hours, depending on volume of requests) later with their answer. > > v > Frank Kurcina Frank, Thank you for this information. I emailed the archives. Mary

For anyone living on Minnesotas iron range they have all the naturalization papers at Ironworld reseach center for most of Minnesota and eventually they will have them all. All are on micro film with lots of viewers. I got them for both of my parents and now I know who was born when when and where 7 sisters and me. Donald Marinkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Luke (luka) Pavokovic > Hi List!I found some information this morning at EIR about Luke Pavokovic, I > believe my grandmother's brother who arrived in NY from Croatia in 1910. The > new information is from 1922. He arrived home from a trip abroad. He was > living in Los Angeles and was now a naturalized citizen. The date of > naturalization was Nov. 25, 1913 in the District Court of New York. This is > a big break through for me. I have never requested naturalization > information before and I was wondering if anyone has any tips about how to > go about it, the cost, what kinds of information they contain, etc. > Thanks for any help. It is greatly appreciated. > Mary Hegarty >

Mary Hegarty wrote: > > Hi List!I found some information this morning at EIR about Luke Pavokovic, I > believe my grandmother's brother who arrived in NY from Croatia in 1910. The > new information is from 1922. He arrived home from a trip abroad. He was > living in Los Angeles and was now a naturalized citizen. The date of > naturalization was Nov. 25, 1913 in the District Court of New York. This is > a big break through for me. I have never requested naturalization > information before and I was wondering if anyone has any tips about how to > go about it, the cost, what kinds of information they contain, etc. > Thanks for any help. It is greatly appreciated. > Mary Hegarty Naturalization papers came in three flavors : 1.Declaration of intention (name, age, occupation, personal description, date and place of birth, wife's name and her place of birth, present and last foreign address, vessel or ship sailed on and from what port of embarkation, port of arrival and date, signature) 2.Petition for naturalization (data listed in 1. above plus marital status, children's name, and names of two witnesses) Often referred to as the "application for citizenship," "second papers," or "final papers." 3.Record Certificate of Naturalization (this was the document which granted citizenship. Contains some items but not the details above). It was meant to be a sort of souvenir of the official proceedings. Any woman, between 1855-1922, automatically became a citizen when her husband was naturalized. Children under age of 16 as well.. if between age 16-21 when immigrated to U.S. but required to wait until after 21st birthday. Wives after 1922 had to apply for their own naturalization. Remember, for pre-1906 naturalization records you must figure out where the immigrant did (or could) naturalize, and look for that court's records. If it was a federal court, those records are likely at the appropriate Regional National Archives. After 1906 the procedure is just the same, except that there was a copy of ALL naturalization records since September 27, 1906, are filed with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. So if you cannot determine which court naturalized the immigrant after 1906, or if the courthouse burned and the post-1906 records were lost, or you could request a copy from the INS under the Freedom of Information Act. You can e-mail the regional National Archives (NARA) Northeast Region-New York City NY to search their surname naturalization index. E-mail: newyork.archives@nara.gov Holdings : Maintains archival records from Federal agencies and courts in New Jersey, New York, Puerto Rico, and the U.S.Virgin Islands. Request a surname naturalization record search and provide as much as you can of the following: Name Date of birth Place of birth Year of immigration Ship and port of arrival Year of naturalization Marital status Names of spouse and dependents Residence at time of naturalization Also provide your name and U.S. Postal mail address. NARA will also respond to your query by e-mail. If located , upon payment of $ 6 fee will mail you his naturalization papers. You will receive acknowledgement of request following a few days (or hours, depending on volume of requests) later with their answer. v Frank Kurcina

Mary For anyone naturalized after 9/26/1906, there should be 2 copies of naturalization records: one with the court where naturalized and one with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service in Washington, DC. INS Freedom of Information Act and Privacy Act requests must be made in writing, either by letter or by using Form G-639. If writing a letter, state that you are making a Freedom of Information Act or Privacy Act request. Include: 1) Full name of immigrant, any other names used or any variant spellings of the name; 2) Country of birth; 3) Date of birth; 4) Date of Naturalization; 5) Court where naturalized. Send to: FOIA/PA Unit U.S. Department of Justice Immigration and Naturalization Service 425 I Street, NW 2nd Floor ULLICO Bldg Washington, DC 20536 Telephone: (202) 514-3278 Fax: (202) 514-4310 Your request is deemed to constitute an agreement to pay any fees that may be chargeable up to $25.00. OR, for $20.00, you can get Form G-639 (request for info under the Freedom of Information Act) online. http://www.formdomain.com/g-639.htm The INS will send copies (if available) of: DECLARATION OF INTENT: (Gives name, address, age, race, personal description, and occupation; date and place of birth and country of former allegiance; port of arrival, date of arrival and name of vessel.) PETITION FOR NATURALIZATION: (Gives all information on the Declaration; date and court of Declaration, name, address and date of birth of spouse; name, address, date and place of birth of all children.) CERTIFICATE OF NATURALIZATION: ( Much of the info listed above; certificate number, and volume and page numbers to locate the corresponding Petition and Declaration; and photograph.) Good luck Roanne > Hi List!I found some information this morning at EIR about Luke Pavokovic, I > believe my grandmother's brother who arrived in NY from Croatia in 1910. The > new information is from 1922. He arrived home from a trip abroad. He was > living in Los Angeles and was now a naturalized citizen. The date of > naturalization was Nov. 25, 1913 in the District Court of New York. This is > a big break through for me. I have never requested naturalization > information before and I was wondering if anyone has any tips about how to > go about it, the cost, what kinds of information they contain, etc. > Thanks for any help. It is greatly appreciated. > Mary Hegarty >

Hi from a fellow Croatian researcher! In your quest you might try two websites: http://www.home.att.net/arnielang/ship08.html http://www.mass.doc.com/naturalization_research.htm I hope these help. My quest for naturalization papers not successful--so far. Form costs $20 as I recall. Am going to try again for more info. Nancy Tadie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Luke (luka) Pavokovic > Hi List!I found some information this morning at EIR about Luke Pavokovic, I > believe my grandmother's brother who arrived in NY from Croatia in 1910. The > new information is from 1922. He arrived home from a trip abroad. He was > living in Los Angeles and was now a naturalized citizen. The date of > naturalization was Nov. 25, 1913 in the District Court of New York. This is > a big break through for me. I have never requested naturalization > information before and I was wondering if anyone has any tips about how to > go about it, the cost, what kinds of information they contain, etc. > Thanks for any help. It is greatly appreciated. > Mary Hegarty >

Hi List!I found some information this morning at EIR about Luke Pavokovic, I believe my grandmother's brother who arrived in NY from Croatia in 1910. The new information is from 1922. He arrived home from a trip abroad. He was living in Los Angeles and was now a naturalized citizen. The date of naturalization was Nov. 25, 1913 in the District Court of New York. This is a big break through for me. I have never requested naturalization information before and I was wondering if anyone has any tips about how to go about it, the cost, what kinds of information they contain, etc. Thanks for any help. It is greatly appreciated. Mary Hegarty

on 6/21/02 5:12 PM, Mary Lawrie at marylawrie@optusnet.com.au wrote: > In this list from 1945 there are family names of where they were born and what > village they were living in the Gospic Lika region > > More to follow: > > Family Name Born Living > Abramovic Brusani Bruzani > Abramovic Kosinj Kosinj > Abramovic Budak Budak > Adzila Gospic Gospic > Adzila Lipe Gospic > Alic Gospic Gospic > Antolovic Golo brdo Pozega > Antolovic Masaluk Masaluk > Arbas Cerje Gospic > Asic L. Novi L. Novi > Asic Smiljan Smiljan > Babic L. lesce L. Lesce > Babic B. Draga Karlobag > Babic Brinj Brinj > Babinac Sinac Sinac > Baburic Ostarije Karlobag > Bacic Skorpovac Karlobag > Bacic Karlobag Karlobag > Bacic Kucista Kucista > Badurina Lun Bolnic, Gospic > Badzeg Vicice Zagreb > Bajic G. Lapac G. Lapac > Balenovic Klanac Smiljan > Balenovic Zitnik Zitnik > Ban Zabica Gospic > Banjanin Skare Otocac > Barbalic Beli Gospic > Barbaric Lipovlje Lipovlje > Baricevic Canak Canak, Korenica > Baricevic Klanac Gospic > Baric B. Draga B. Draga > Barkovic Lipovlje Lipovlje, Otocac > Basic Konjsko Perusic > Basic Konjsko Brdo Konjsko Brdo > Basic Kaniska Gospic > Bebic Skorpovac Karlobag > Bencic G. Josinj Perusic > Bernardeli Fiuma Fiuma (Rijeka) > Bicanic Dabar Dabar, Otocac > Bijondic Brinj Brinj > Biljan Musaluk Musaluk > Biljanic Buzim Buzim, Smiljan > Blondic Vratnik Vratnik > Biskupovic Pazariste Ilica, Zagreb > Blazetic Budak Budak > Blazevic Lovinac Lovinac > Bobinac Vaganac Vaganac > Bobinac Prozor Prozor > Bogdanic Sinac Zagreb > Bogic Bogdanic Smiljan > Boljesic Kvispolje Kvispolje > Boljkovac Ribnik Ribnik > Borcic Budak Budak, Licki Osik > Borcic Vuksic Vuksic > Boric Kamenica Kamenica > Borovac Bakovac Rastoka > Borovac V. Plana Klanac > Bosnic Brinje Brinje > Bozicevic Otocac Otocac > Brajkovic Covic Sinac > Brkic Lovinac Lovinac > Brkljacic Kaniza Kaniza > Brkljacic Konjsko Konjsko > Brkljacic Ostarije Karlobag > Brlek Jertovac Sv. Ivan > Bubas Podostra Podostra > Bublic Plastica Plastica > Bublic Kalanj Kapanja > Budak Dabar Kucista > Bukovac Kuterevo Kuterevo > Bukovac Kula L. Osik > Buncic Podiapac Podiapac > Buncic Gornji Kosinj Gornji Kosinj > Buneta Zabica Zabica > Bunjevcevic Prozor Prozor, Otocac > Burcar Kosinj Kosinj > Butkovic L. Osik Gospic > Butkovic Sunja Bilaj > Butkovic Musaluk Musaluk > Butkovic Gracac Kaniska > Butorac Klanac Klanac > Butorac Dunjevac Dunjevac > > > regards > Mary > > Hi Mary, Can you tell us more about the source for this list? I would like to study this closer for the Lika area myself. Doug

The Stephen Morris web page actually accesses records via the "regular" Ellis web page. So if the regular page is down, as it has been off and on for the last couple of weeks then http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html will not work. Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie (nee Adamowicz)" <wordsmith@att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Ellis Island Records > At 07:26 AM 6/20/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > I have not been able to connect to Ellis Island Records lately, is anyone > > > else having any difficulty or know of why it may be happening? > > > Dave > >I don't know why it's happening but I've been having trouble too. > > Try using this URL instead of the Ellis Island one > http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html > > > Researching: > ~~~~~~~Poland~~~~~~~ > ADAMOWICZ - BANASZEK - BURDA > CHOJNACKI / HOJNACKI > MIKULSKI / MIKOLSKY > CIEBIEN~ - MAZIK - KROL / KRUL > ~~~~~~~Croatia~~~~~~~ > OCVIRAK / OCVIREK - SNEPERGER > >

In this list from 1945 there are family names of where they were born and what village they were living in the Gospic Lika region More to follow: Family Name Born Living Abramovic Brusani Bruzani Abramovic Kosinj Kosinj Abramovic Budak Budak Adzila Gospic Gospic Adzila Lipe Gospic Alic Gospic Gospic Antolovic Golo brdo Pozega Antolovic Masaluk Masaluk Arbas Cerje Gospic Asic L. Novi L. Novi Asic Smiljan Smiljan Babic L. lesce L. Lesce Babic B. Draga Karlobag Babic Brinj Brinj Babinac Sinac Sinac Baburic Ostarije Karlobag Bacic Skorpovac Karlobag Bacic Karlobag Karlobag Bacic Kucista Kucista Badurina Lun Bolnic, Gospic Badzeg Vicice Zagreb Bajic G. Lapac G. Lapac Balenovic Klanac Smiljan Balenovic Zitnik Zitnik Ban Zabica Gospic Banjanin Skare Otocac Barbalic Beli Gospic Barbaric Lipovlje Lipovlje Baricevic Canak Canak, Korenica Baricevic Klanac Gospic Baric B. Draga B. Draga Barkovic Lipovlje Lipovlje, Otocac Basic Konjsko Perusic Basic Konjsko Brdo Konjsko Brdo Basic Kaniska Gospic Bebic Skorpovac Karlobag Bencic G. Josinj Perusic Bernardeli Fiuma Fiuma (Rijeka) Bicanic Dabar Dabar, Otocac Bijondic Brinj Brinj Biljan Musaluk Musaluk Biljanic Buzim Buzim, Smiljan Blondic Vratnik Vratnik Biskupovic Pazariste Ilica, Zagreb Blazetic Budak Budak Blazevic Lovinac Lovinac Bobinac Vaganac Vaganac Bobinac Prozor Prozor Bogdanic Sinac Zagreb Bogic Bogdanic Smiljan Boljesic Kvispolje Kvispolje Boljkovac Ribnik Ribnik Borcic Budak Budak, Licki Osik Borcic Vuksic Vuksic Boric Kamenica Kamenica Borovac Bakovac Rastoka Borovac V. Plana Klanac Bosnic Brinje Brinje Bozicevic Otocac Otocac Brajkovic Covic Sinac Brkic Lovinac Lovinac Brkljacic Kaniza Kaniza Brkljacic Konjsko Konjsko Brkljacic Ostarije Karlobag Brlek Jertovac Sv. Ivan Bubas Podostra Podostra Bublic Plastica Plastica Bublic Kalanj Kapanja Budak Dabar Kucista Bukovac Kuterevo Kuterevo Bukovac Kula L. Osik Buncic Podiapac Podiapac Buncic Gornji Kosinj Gornji Kosinj Buneta Zabica Zabica Bunjevcevic Prozor Prozor, Otocac Burcar Kosinj Kosinj Butkovic L. Osik Gospic Butkovic Sunja Bilaj Butkovic Musaluk Musaluk Butkovic Gracac Kaniska Butorac Klanac Klanac Butorac Dunjevac Dunjevac regards Mary

Hello Mary, There have been a couple of times in the last few weeks when the site was not accessible. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryanne Lawrie" <m.lawrie@walter.net.au> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Ellis Island Records > No I just go through and there doesnt seem to be a problem at all. > > http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: dave9759@juno.com [mailto:dave9759@juno.com] > Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 3:27 PM > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Ellis Island Records > > > > I have not been able to connect to Ellis Island Records lately, is anyone > else having any difficulty or know of why it may be happening? > Dave >

I found it myself using http://www.archive.org/ If you haven't discovered this tool, check it out. It saves copies of websites through time, and sometimes you need to go back in time to find something that has disappeared. James PS Please don't discuss this on the list, as it is off-topic, but you might want to protect yourself from new online fraud technique that seems to be on the increase. I discuss it at http://www.POSEN-L.com/newscam.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Birkholz, James > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:12 PM > To: 'CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com' > Subject: 1910 Hungarian maps > > Does anyone have a URL for these maps? > It looks like they've changed their webpage and don't have a link anymore. > I thought I had saved a bookmark, but can't find it. > > James

Does anyone have a URL for these maps? It looks like they've changed their webpage and don't have a link anymore. I thought I had saved a bookmark, but can't find it. James

Since I posted my question about house numbering, I've found examples to confirm that sometimes new dwellings were accomodated by adding a letter to the house number, plus I've seen notes that numbers were changed, sometimes with an "=" or the word "novi", which I'm sure means "new". I have a lot of name/spelling questions, but think I will limit myself to this one (mostly because my notes are elsewhere): Question: what is the significance of the "ac" or "vac" surname ending? Is it Croatian? What about the "nik" endings? On some birth/christening records, I occasionally see two entries on the Location column, indicating different villages in the same parish. It seems as though the top one refers to the father, and the bottom one to the mother. I'll double check and see if the child is legitimate and if the mother's surname is shown as if she is married. If they are legitimate births, is there any other explanation than that the couple is living apart, perhaps because the father works too far away? James Birkholz PS I'm extracting christening records for Lokve and will publish them eventually. I don't know how many I'll have when I quit, but I'm in the 1886-7 years now.

No I just go through and there doesnt seem to be a problem at all. http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ Mary -----Original Message----- From: dave9759@juno.com [mailto:dave9759@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 3:27 PM To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Ellis Island Records I have not been able to connect to Ellis Island Records lately, is anyone else having any difficulty or know of why it may be happening? Dave

At 07:26 AM 6/20/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > I have not been able to connect to Ellis Island Records lately, is anyone > > else having any difficulty or know of why it may be happening? > > Dave >I don't know why it's happening but I've been having trouble too. Try using this URL instead of the Ellis Island one http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html Researching: ~~~~~~~Poland~~~~~~~ ADAMOWICZ - BANASZEK - BURDA CHOJNACKI / HOJNACKI MIKULSKI / MIKOLSKY CIEBIEN~ - MAZIK - KROL / KRUL ~~~~~~~Croatia~~~~~~~ OCVIRAK / OCVIREK - SNEPERGER

on 6/20/02 12:26 AM, dave9759@juno.com at dave9759@juno.com wrote: > > I have not been able to connect to Ellis Island Records lately, is anyone > else having any difficulty or know of why it may be happening? > Dave I don't know why it's happening but I've been having trouble too. Mary

Mary Hegarty wrote: > > on 6/20/02 12:26 AM, dave9759@juno.com at dave9759@juno.com wrote: > > > > > I have not been able to connect to Ellis Island Records lately, is anyone > > else having any difficulty or know of why it may be happening? > > Dave > I don't know why it's happening but I've been having trouble too. > Mary This is the price one pays for using WWW for genealogical research. Certain websites can't handle their volume nor have sufficient technical personnel for all their servers. From a technical viewpoint , Ellis Island Records (EIR) is running their servers on Windows 2000 (NT) Despite glowing promises from Microsoft Corporation, Win 2000 is not the most robust choice for a site which is obviously very busy. And Oracle 8i server database houses their immigration records. EIR has acknowleged the need for more servers (computers), or servers that can support more processors. Either try them later or use the SP Morse EIR access. In the same vein, LDS Family History Library in SLC UT experiences Windows 2000 Microsoft-IIs/5.0 problems from time to time. This is an internal Microsoft Commerce server problem which prevents access to their online FHC catalog at certain times.

I have not been able to connect to Ellis Island Records lately, is anyone else having any difficulty or know of why it may be happening? Dave

"Birkholz, James" wrote: > > Have another couple given names and a few other words that I ran across > today: > > Louve (is probably Lovro or Lovre - Lawrence) > Guipar = ? (spelling is ?, esp the 2nd letter. the phone book found one > alternate spelling suggestion: Gripar) > > On a death record: > (woman's name) vidua ?unov? > > vidua is "widow" but can't make out the second word, all the letters look > alike. > > Under her deceased husband's name is a word that looks like "Rurivolac". Any > ideas? > > For cause of deaths we saw: > Severtus = ? > Dipteritis = Diphtheria? > Gliste = Intensinal worms? > > TIA, > James and Tami Birkholz Gaspar, Casper (E) Gas^par (C) Lawrence (E) Lovro (C) widow, widower (E) udovica (C) fem. udovac (C) mas. severtus (L) of; from the ADV severus, severa -um, severior -or -us, severissimus -a -um ADJ stern, strict, severe; grave, austere; weighty, seriou

Diego, Thank you very much for that link! It is amazing how many links regarding Croaita one can find on the internet, but I had not seen this before. Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Vukovich" <dvukov@speedy.com.ar> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Stories about Zagreb > There is a site where you cand find several stories about Zagreb's places (City streets, city blocks, city squares, Zagreb's history, etc) > on audio formas (Real audio), so you can download the tale and listen it from your computer. > The tales are in croatian, it's a pity to me beacause I don't understand croatian but i think that is a very good site. > > http://www.hrt.hr/hr/audio/zgbzapisi_eng.html > > This links and their histories are not genealogical but history allways helps to understand things that happened in the past.. > > Enjoy it..!! > > > Diego M. Vukovich > Researching: > Dugi, Znidar, Tomasec, Fekeza, Vesely > Gho, Ferretti, Molina > mail: dvukov@speedy.com.ar > >