There is one Hungarian and two Russian restaurants and if you want to far back one Persian restaurant. the Goulash Pot Red Square Russian Restaurant Eliseevsky and Habib's Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant in Chicago and a Bosnian one in Phoenix Hello Andy, Took a look through the "Las Vegas Weekly" ... sorry, but I could only find one Bulgarian restaurant. So ... we go hungry. :( I was told over four thousand come to the valley and surrounding area in a month. One of the 'newbies' ... Sandra In a message dated 4/4/2005 10:02:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Ok, fellow food-loving Croatians, does anybody know of a Croatian or Slavic themed restaurant in Las Vegas? Years ago there was one in a strip mall off Flamingo and Audrey called Angelinas (pronounced with a hard "G"). Angelinga would sing Croatian folk songs upon request between cooking and serving meals. She was a fun-loving ribald lady. But that was decades ago, and with all the population growth in Las Vegas (6,000 new residents per month) over the past decade, and an influx of Croatians since the 1990s war, I've yet to see another similar restaurant. Does anybody in this fine network know of one? Andy

Thanks Betty, We eat them in a soup, but they are like little ravioli or pierogi but my mom used a thicker dough and made the "mashed potato very spicy with black pepper. I would love to have your recipe since I am still trying to make them like mom made. I do make Polish pierogi as my husband is Polish. Being we lived all over with Jerry being in the Military, I had to learn to make all these things as they weren't available to us. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci and turnovers, please > "Krumpir Taske" that my grandmother and mother made in Croatia were like > shaped like the Italian ravioli. Taska is a handbag so in translation > these were "potato filled bags". I still make them the same. Toss them > in fried breadcrumbs with sour cream over them. We also did the same with > ricotta cheese filling. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerome Buza" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci and turnovers, please > > >> My mom and grandma made a soup that they called "Krumpira Tarskal". Not >> sure what the correct word for Tarskal is as I have never found it in a >> cookbook. It was like a seasoned mashed potato in a thick noodle dough >> and they browned bread crumbs and cooked the dumplings and breadcrumbs in >> the pot that the potatoes had been cooked in with onions. They were >> yummy and my kids and I love it. I only tried to make it once and had a >> mess and am determined to try it again soon. Does anyone have any soup >> recipes that sound like this? >> Margaret >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ashley tiwara" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:43 PM >> Subject: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci and turnovers, please >> >> >>>A good story, Robert, and, Bill, I also saved the mlinci recipe, but >>>could someone kindly start a discussion of turnovers and stuffed >>>dumplings, ban cuon or ravioli, whatever? I eat them hot or cold. >>> >>> Ashley >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Robert Jerin >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci >>> >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> I am very fond of Vietnamese, especially bun Cha#777; giò and cafe su >>> da for dessert. That brings up a genealogically related point, well >>> kind of. When we lived in "The Cities" we befriended a family who owned >>> several restuarants. The husband had worked for the US distributing >>> corn oil to the villagers, seems lard was thier main oil until the US >>> got there. They were quite the family, the wife spoke little English. >>> But they would sit with us when we ate there... they used us to describe >>> the new dishes they put on their menu. They had 4 children all >>> attending U of M in math and science programs... that was expected by >>> Mr. Ngoc! He lamented the fact that his children were becoming American >>> and were not interested in their family history. I assured him that in >>> later life they would find that interest. When the first grandson was >>> born we were invited to their restuarant which they had closed on the >>> day of the baptism. We lost contact with them but I can still recall,! >>> s! >>> itting >>> and drinking cafe su da (sp?) with Mr Ngoc while he chain smoked his >>> Pall Malls! I learned that orientals, in general, have strong families, >>> at least the ones I have known. >>> >>> Guess I am like the old man I once met who commented that he only liked >>> 2 kinds of pies.... they were ... hot and cold :) >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.0 - Release Date: 31/03/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/2005 >

Aha, pirogis! Betty <[email protected]> wrote: "Krumpir Taske" that my grandmother and mother made in Croatia were like shaped like the Italian ravioli. Taska is a handbag so in translation these were "potato filled bags". I still make them the same. Toss them in fried breadcrumbs with sour cream over them. We also did the same with ricotta cheese filling. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome Buza" To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci and turnovers, please > My mom and grandma made a soup that they called "Krumpira Tarskal". Not > sure what the correct word for Tarskal is as I have never found it in a > cookbook. It was like a seasoned mashed potato in a thick noodle dough > and they browned bread crumbs and cooked the dumplings and breadcrumbs in > the pot that the potatoes had been cooked in with onions. They were yummy > and my kids and I love it. I only tried to make it once and had a mess > and am determined to try it again soon. Does anyone have any soup recipes > that sound like this? > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ashley tiwara" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:43 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci and turnovers, please > > >>A good story, Robert, and, Bill, I also saved the mlinci recipe, but could >>someone kindly start a discussion of turnovers and stuffed dumplings, ban >>cuon or ravioli, whatever? I eat them hot or cold. >> >> Ashley >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Robert Jerin >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci >> >> >> Bill, >> >> I am very fond of Vietnamese, especially bun Cha#777; gi� and cafe su da >> for dessert. That brings up a genealogically related point, well kind >> of. When we lived in "The Cities" we befriended a family who owned >> several restuarants. The husband had worked for the US distributing corn >> oil to the villagers, seems lard was thier main oil until the US got >> there. They were quite the family, the wife spoke little English. But >> they would sit with us when we ate there... they used us to describe the >> new dishes they put on their menu. They had 4 children all attending U >> of M in math and science programs... that was expected by Mr. Ngoc! He >> lamented the fact that his children were becoming American and were not >> interested in their family history. I assured him that in later life >> they would find that interest. When the first grandson was born we were >> invited to their restuarant which they had closed on the day of the >> baptism. We lost contact with them but I can still recall,! >> s! >> itting >> and drinking cafe su da (sp?) with Mr Ngoc while he chain smoked his >> Pall Malls! I learned that orientals, in general, have strong families, >> at least the ones I have known. >> >> Guess I am like the old man I once met who commented that he only liked >> 2 kinds of pies.... they were ... hot and cold :) >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.0 - Release Date: 31/03/2005 > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

A very big THANK YOU Margaret, for the information! Road trip ... Sandra In a message dated 4/3/2005 2:04:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Sandra, Best of Europe Meats and Deli is located at 32nd Street and Greenway in Phoenix. Coming from Nevada you would get on the 101 freeway, head east, get off at the 51 freeway and then at Greenway road. Turn west and it will be the first or second driveway on the right hand side. It is a funny shopping center and there is a group of stores near the McDonald's sitting by themselves and that is where the deli is. Plan to get a sandwich while there. They have a garlic-pepper pork sandwich on rye that is wonderful - to die for Their phone number is 602 493 1973. They usually have their own hot dogs, too, and you'll never want to eat any other after eating them. If you go there, tell them that Margaret and JB sent you. Our pictures are up on their wall and we used to work for them. They speak Polish and English. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] zeludac pate > > In a message dated 4/2/2005 5:10:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Up to about 10 years ago, I could get the casings to make the > kielbasa and still know where I can get them, but I buy all that stuff > instead of making it at a place here in AZ called Best of Europe Meats and > Deli. They make all their own sausages and many lunchmeats and have > smoked > ribs and slab bacon. > > > > PLEASE, tell me where this is located! I live in Nevada and would > certainly > drive the distance for 'fresh' sausages. > Thank you, > Sandra > [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > --

Hello Andy, Took a look through the "Las Vegas Weekly" ... sorry, but I could only find one Bulgarian restaurant. So ... we go hungry. :( I was told over four thousand come to the valley and surrounding area in a month. One of the 'newbies' ... Sandra In a message dated 4/4/2005 10:02:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Ok, fellow food-loving Croatians, does anybody know of a Croatian or Slavic themed restaurant in Las Vegas? Years ago there was one in a strip mall off Flamingo and Audrey called Angelinas (pronounced with a hard "G"). Angelinga would sing Croatian folk songs upon request between cooking and serving meals. She was a fun-loving ribald lady. But that was decades ago, and with all the population growth in Las Vegas (6,000 new residents per month) over the past decade, and an influx of Croatians since the 1990s war, I've yet to see another similar restaurant. Does anybody in this fine network know of one? Andy

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Joy, I am with you.........I have learned so much and constantly check my email to see what the latest topic. Also I have learned that with all of this talk of food to never check the email when I am hungry. I am going to try that green bean soup recipie. It sounds fantastic. Kathy Joy Durrett <[email protected]> wrote:Robert, How true. Thanks. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > Joy, > > You're welcome! But that is what these forums are about... sharing. If > it were not for my new Croatian friends I would never have known this, > having Croatian born people such as Tatjana help on these forums is a real > blessing. Some folks go through life thinking celebrating their Croatian > (and other Central and East European) heritage is eating "kielbasy", > listening to the Pennsylvania polka and consuming lots of beer! They > think all those folks are the same, folk dress, food, music, etc.! So if > they are interested we can help them learn. > > Robert > > Joy Durrett wrote: > Bill, > > > That is what I like about this group. I learn so much about my ancestors > and > the culture and history. I would not know it if Robert did not take the > time > and others here to explain it and give us links to go and check things out > for ourselves. Thanks Robert for teaching us a little history lesson along > the way. > > Joy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William F Kane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > > >> Robert, >> I loved your story of the restaurant in Twin Cities. My daughter in law >> is Vietnamese. They have a dedication to learning. When the family came >> here as refugees her father could not find work so the mother worked in >> an electronics factory while he stayed home and saw that the family all >> got a good education checking homework, talking to teachers, volunteering >> at school, etc. A few years later the family started a restaurant that >> became very successful. My daughter in law got her MA in electrical >> engineering before she was twenty. My grandson is now taking college >> level courses for credit in high school. >> I don't know how my mother in laws soup came out Zaftig Juan in my e-mail >> it was supposed to be Zafrigana Juha. I think it was my spell check that >> did it. Sorry. >> As a professional geographer I have promised myself to stay out of the >> Balkan argument. But I must say you are all right. The Balkans have no >> definite boundaries and anyone writing about the area seems to just >> decide on their own what areas to write about. Just say it is an >> indefinite area in Southeastern Europe. All I can say is that Grandma >> Santek (with a mark over the S) almost went into mourning when one of her >> daughters married a Serb. She still did not talk kindly of him up to the >> time of her death. Nothing against the Serbs but I must say this was not >> a good man as he turned out to be a wife abuser. Of course grandma blamed >> it on his being a Serb. >> We are getting away from genealogy but history and geography and culture >> are all part of learning about our past. >> Bill Kane >> > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >

I forgot to thank Tatjana for her input here. I really appreciate it. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > Joy, > > You're welcome! But that is what these forums are about... sharing. If > it were not for my new Croatian friends I would never have known this, > having Croatian born people such as Tatjana help on these forums is a real > blessing. Some folks go through life thinking celebrating their Croatian > (and other Central and East European) heritage is eating "kielbasy", > listening to the Pennsylvania polka and consuming lots of beer! They > think all those folks are the same, folk dress, food, music, etc.! So if > they are interested we can help them learn. > > Robert > > Joy Durrett <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill, > > > That is what I like about this group. I learn so much about my ancestors > and > the culture and history. I would not know it if Robert did not take the > time > and others here to explain it and give us links to go and check things out > for ourselves. Thanks Robert for teaching us a little history lesson along > the way. > > Joy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William F Kane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > > >> Robert, >> I loved your story of the restaurant in Twin Cities. My daughter in law >> is Vietnamese. They have a dedication to learning. When the family came >> here as refugees her father could not find work so the mother worked in >> an electronics factory while he stayed home and saw that the family all >> got a good education checking homework, talking to teachers, volunteering >> at school, etc. A few years later the family started a restaurant that >> became very successful. My daughter in law got her MA in electrical >> engineering before she was twenty. My grandson is now taking college >> level courses for credit in high school. >> I don't know how my mother in laws soup came out Zaftig Juan in my e-mail >> it was supposed to be Zafrigana Juha. I think it was my spell check that >> did it. Sorry. >> As a professional geographer I have promised myself to stay out of the >> Balkan argument. But I must say you are all right. The Balkans have no >> definite boundaries and anyone writing about the area seems to just >> decide on their own what areas to write about. Just say it is an >> indefinite area in Southeastern Europe. All I can say is that Grandma >> Santek (with a mark over the S) almost went into mourning when one of her >> daughters married a Serb. She still did not talk kindly of him up to the >> time of her death. Nothing against the Serbs but I must say this was not >> a good man as he turned out to be a wife abuser. Of course grandma blamed >> it on his being a Serb. >> We are getting away from genealogy but history and geography and culture >> are all part of learning about our past. >> Bill Kane >> > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >

Robert, How true. Thanks. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > Joy, > > You're welcome! But that is what these forums are about... sharing. If > it were not for my new Croatian friends I would never have known this, > having Croatian born people such as Tatjana help on these forums is a real > blessing. Some folks go through life thinking celebrating their Croatian > (and other Central and East European) heritage is eating "kielbasy", > listening to the Pennsylvania polka and consuming lots of beer! They > think all those folks are the same, folk dress, food, music, etc.! So if > they are interested we can help them learn. > > Robert > > Joy Durrett <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill, > > > That is what I like about this group. I learn so much about my ancestors > and > the culture and history. I would not know it if Robert did not take the > time > and others here to explain it and give us links to go and check things out > for ourselves. Thanks Robert for teaching us a little history lesson along > the way. > > Joy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William F Kane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > > >> Robert, >> I loved your story of the restaurant in Twin Cities. My daughter in law >> is Vietnamese. They have a dedication to learning. When the family came >> here as refugees her father could not find work so the mother worked in >> an electronics factory while he stayed home and saw that the family all >> got a good education checking homework, talking to teachers, volunteering >> at school, etc. A few years later the family started a restaurant that >> became very successful. My daughter in law got her MA in electrical >> engineering before she was twenty. My grandson is now taking college >> level courses for credit in high school. >> I don't know how my mother in laws soup came out Zaftig Juan in my e-mail >> it was supposed to be Zafrigana Juha. I think it was my spell check that >> did it. Sorry. >> As a professional geographer I have promised myself to stay out of the >> Balkan argument. But I must say you are all right. The Balkans have no >> definite boundaries and anyone writing about the area seems to just >> decide on their own what areas to write about. Just say it is an >> indefinite area in Southeastern Europe. All I can say is that Grandma >> Santek (with a mark over the S) almost went into mourning when one of her >> daughters married a Serb. She still did not talk kindly of him up to the >> time of her death. Nothing against the Serbs but I must say this was not >> a good man as he turned out to be a wife abuser. Of course grandma blamed >> it on his being a Serb. >> We are getting away from genealogy but history and geography and culture >> are all part of learning about our past. >> Bill Kane >> > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >

I posted a query a few days ago asking why the (seeming) lack of interest in the LDS microfilms (the only sources of Croatian vital records outside of Croatia). I received many very nice responses for which I thank those involved. Some of those responses along with my comments can be found here: http://www.croatia-in-english.com/QnA/A-1.html Please add your own response to these, if you like. I am trying to find a way (if there is indeed one) to encourage people to make more use of those LDS microfilms. If you were reading the original church books and there was someone knowledgeable reading over your shoulder, the natural response would be to point to some troubling text and ask a question. My view of these various Croatian forums is exactly the same. There are hundreds of knowledgeable and experienced people reading these forums. There is even one forum which allows for images to be attached to the message. But I don't see anyone making use of this method. I'm not sure why. Any comments concerning this issue would be welcomed. You can contact me privately at: [email protected] or on this forum. --Tom Ninkovich Cavtat, Croatia PS/ I am here until mid-June. If anyone needs something from the Dubrovnik archive or the churches around here, let me know.

I met Sanja last year in Zagreb and have talked with her many times by phone. She is very sincere in her genealogy work and seems to worry a lot about whether her English is good enough to be dealing with all these foreigners (it is). She is rather shy. For example, she is a member of this list but you see very little posted by her. She likes to correspond privately. So if you just mention on this list that you'd like to get in touch with her, she will probably contact you personally. By the way, the email address for her that was given recently by someone on this list is not correct. The right one is: [email protected] You will reach her much more quickly if you email her directly and do not go through her brother. She showed me around the Zagreb archive and explained a lot about what she does and how. She is one of the few people (I know of only one or two others) who privately does research in the Zagreb archive. And the Zagreb archive is the only place in Croatia (or anywhere) that has all the Croatian church record microfilms in one place. She is getting more and more work from the Croatian diaspora. In fact, I think she said she is now teaching only part time in order to do more genealogy work. She can also be hired as a guide in the region around Zagreb. She has a family in Zagreb and can't go too far afield. But she would be very good as a guide for finding family, talking with priests, etc. --Tom Ninkovich Cavtat, Croatia

Ok, fellow food-loving Croatians, does anybody know of a Croatian or Slavic themed restaurant in Las Vegas? Years ago there was one in a strip mall off Flamingo and Audrey called Angelinas (pronounced with a hard "G"). Angelinga would sing Croatian folk songs upon request between cooking and serving meals. She was a fun-loving ribald lady. But that was decades ago, and with all the population growth in Las Vegas (6,000 new residents per month) over the past decade, and an influx of Croatians since the 1990s war, I've yet to see another similar restaurant. Does anybody in this fine network know of one? Andy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant in Chicago and a Bosnian one in Phoenix When we lived in Chicago (1984 - 1986) we frequented a place called Sarajevo on Lincoln Ave and a place on a major east-west street, called Miramar. The later mysteriously closed in 1991-1992! Here are a couple of Bosnian restaurant listings Bosnian Family Restaurant 2122 W Lawrence Ave. Chicago, IL 60625 Bosanski Okusi 6014 N. Broadway, 773-743-7560. Croatian Mall lists 3 places in Chicago: Cafe Continental 5515 N. Lincoln Ave. - Chicago Tel: (773) 878-7077 Cafe Croatia 5726 N. Western Ave. - Chicago Tel: (773) 276-2842 Casino Restaurant 9706 S Commercial Chicago 773-221-8159 But then Croatian Mall's last update was 2003 and with the restaurant business being one of the toughest they may be gone. http://www.croatianmall.com/croatia/food/Index.htm An interesting link to "Bosnian & Herzegovinian American Community Center" in Chicago http://www.bhacc.org/index.htm Here is a link to an article in the AZ Republic http://www.azcentral.com/ent/dining/articles/0625eurocafe25.html Robert Sarah Mueller <[email protected]> wrote: Unfortunately, I think Cafi Croatia closed some time ago. I have been looking for a Croatian restaurant in Chicago since The Golden Shell (a real gem and and popular among Southsiders of all nationalities for years) went into a decline years ago and eventually closed after the Croatian owner became ill and was forced to sell. A friend from out of town sent the website of Cafi Croatia to me a year or so ago, but when I drove by, it definitely appeared to be out of business. I tried calling the telephone number a couple hours ago and the number no longer belongs to Cafi Croatia. Also, I was not able to connect to the website. What a shame that a city like Chicago with a substantial Croatian population doesn't have a Croatian restaurant. If you go to www.metromix.chicagotribune.com, and click on "restaurants" about a fourth of the way from the top of the screen, then at the left side of the screen under "Cuisine" select Serbian, you will find Lidjas Restaurant, who "prefers to emphasize Yugoslavian food on her menu because you can not discriminate mindful of the breakup of her native country". Phone number given is 773-929-6500 it is on the north side, 4343 N. Lincoln. This is not an endorsement. I have never been there. It is simply the best I can do. As for me, I am looking forward to visiting Ante's Croatian Restaurant in San Pedro when I travel there for my son's wedding at the end of this month. I know there is a piece of krempita there with my name on it! Sarah ------ Original Message ----- From: Jerome Buza To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant in Chicago Chicago's only Croatian restaurant, is tucked away on Western Avenue near Bryn Mawr, in a neighborhood dominated by historical Rosehill Cemetery and a number of car dealerships. Tables are set outside Caf Croatia among cheerful flower planters during warmer months. To really appreciate the food in the proper surroundings, it's best to pass through the smoky bar in the front of Caf Croatia to the charming upper level. This cozy inn-like setting is decorated with linen table cloths, china table settings, and folksy wood carvings and paintings on the walls. Check out free candid reviews for Chicago. Also, get the latest weather for Chicago. Find all kinds of Restaurants in Chicago with Verizon SuperPages.com. Location 5726 N. Western Av. Chicago Illinois 60659 Phone 773 276-2842 Fax 773 276-2842 Website http://www.cafecroatia.com Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

It is called the Croatian Hall in the phone book. The address is 445 2nd Ave S., So. St. Paul, MN 55075. Phone number is 651-451-1453. When you go in, ask them about the story of the first Croatian to own a car in S. St. Paul. His picture is on the wall. -----Original Message----- From: ashley tiwara [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CROATIA-L] MN Lamb Roast? Ah? Ah, more detail please, Patty? I occasionally get up to Mpls and St. P and I'd love to try out a Croatian restaurant there. If you have the name or the name and address, I can do a map off MapQuest for the next time. Thanks for the idea, Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: Reuter, Patty To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast In the "Cities", in South St. Paul, there is a VFW affectionately called the "Cro". It is the only place I know that still serves Croatian food in the Twin Cities area. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast Don, Talk about people knowing how to live! When we lived in "The Cities" 1980-1984 (Minnesotan for The Twin Cities aka Minneapolis St Paul) we enjoyed driving or taking the train to Dulut (no h !) there was a small "Yugoslav" restaurant in Dulut, can not recall the name. Just wondered if it is still there. I was amazed at the connection that Dulut and Cleveland, Cleveland Cliffs and other ore shipping etc.. Robert Donald Marinkovich <[email protected]> wrote: I ran, TO THE STORE, Paul Bizals finer meats and klobase, in Chisholm of course. The sarma was always covered with kraut in our house. I remember a woman asking for fifteen cents soup bone. I was told that Coldagelli bought Postudensheks recepe, he could even have been related. I read somewhere that there is no such thing as a melting pot. We have it here. A friend told me that his kids are three forths bohunk and they have a Finnlander name. His mother and his wife were both Slovenian and his father was Finn, he was the model for the iron man statue, and he was the president of our local union when I worked there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reuter, Patty" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast > Don, > > What is the name of the store that you ran? Was it in Chisholm? My > granparents always got their sausage from Coldageliis. We would have it > every time we came up from the cities. We have a Sarma recipie from the > Perpich's that says we should cover the sarma in sour kraut and then bake > it. Has anyone tried that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Marinkovich [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast > > > In the days, before home refridgerators, it was my job to run to the > store. > When Ma made sarmas that ment 1/3 gd beef, 1/3 gd pork, 1/3 gd ham. > Kisele > glavice came from the barrel in the basement. Eventually I made my own > sour > kraut. and I would include a few heads for sarmas but for my use a crock > was big enough. Once I tasted sarmas wraped in leaves from a frozen head > I > decided that souring heads was no longer worth the bother. I have a son > living in Denver. When he comes to the iron range he has to get enough > blood sausage (krvavice)for him and a buddy with an Italian last name but > had a Slovenian mother. There are still a few places where they still > have > good Slovenian Polish sausage. On the range every thing geets mixed up. > One > of the better places to get Polish sausage was at Coldagelilis in Eveleth. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerome Buza" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast > > >> Thanks Robert, I will read that page and enjoy it, I am sure. My family >> always made the Sarma with sauerkraut, no tomatoes, and that is the way I >> love it. Of course, there was an Eimprem, too. While living in Turkey, >> I >> ate their Sarma and it was different,but we grew to love it. Mom just >> boiled the leaves in vinegar water and when I was young, the produce man >> at the local A & P store gave my mom the outer leaves. Now, they don't >> have them available. So, growing the cabbages in our garden at our >> mountain cabin in AZ has become our way of having the larger leaves of >> cabbage to use. >> Margaret >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Jerin" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >> >> >>> Ahh.... just had some REAL Croatian Sarma at Marie's Restaurant on St >>> Clair in Cleveland. The owners are the family Sabalic from Ljubuski, >>> Hercegovina. REAL sarma must always be made using "soured leaves", >>> which >>> we can purchase at Zagreb Meats on St Clair. If you can not purchase >>> "soured cabbage" then par boiling the leaves in vinegar water may work. >>> For many years I did not like sarma, then I discovered that many (most >>> immigrants I know here in Cleveland) do not add tomatoes, and that is >>> what I did not like! Most here will make a rue and then add paprika and >>> a bit of water to make a delicous sauce to pour over the sarma and >>> mashed >>> potatoes or dumplings. >>> >>> My experience with the (too) many Croatian functions that I attend is >>> that if there are many immigrants the food is authentic and if the >>> majority are American born the food has some resemblance to the >>> authentic >>> stuff but does not come close. >>> >>> Here is a recipe that I have found to my taste from the Embassy web >>> page. >>> >>> http://www.croatiaemb.org/basic_facts/christmas97.htm >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Karen Heiser wrote: >>> Dear List - I think the "western expansion" did in a lot of our families >>> and >>> traditions. Traveling 30 miles for the family reunion is a lot easier >>> and >>> cheaper than travelling 2500 miles. And then there is the marriage >>> thing...not many of us were able to marry within our ethnicity, so then >>> you >>> have another whole set of traditions to work with. >>> But if you don't stop talking about lamb and sarma, the drooling is >>> going >>> to >>> ruin my keyboard! >>> Karen Heiser >>> Weed, Siskiyou, CA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jerome Buza" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:58 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>> >>> >>>> Another reason for the demise of many of the family customs is the way >>>> we >>>> travel around and move far away. We try to keep up our family customs >>> even >>>> though we are in AZ and most of the family is in MI or IL. However, >>>> many >>> of >>>> my aunts and uncles married people that were not that interested and >>>> now >>> the >>>> kids aren't either. My generation knows that my mom cooked like Grandma >>> and >>>> that I cook like mom and are asking me for recipes. However, many >>>> didn't >>>> have the traditions followed all their lives like I did with my mother >>>> and >>>> my husband did with his part of the Polish family. Our own daughter has >>>> been living in TX for 20 of her 21 years of married life and doesn't >>> follow >>>> our traditions. Her kids are fussy and wouldn't eat the food anyway. >>>> Margaret >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "al toennies" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:25 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >>>> >>>> > Good question Joy! I think a bunch of siblings (like these folks >>>> > were) >>>> > can keep it together naturally but when they start to fade away and >>>> > you >>>> > are left with cousins and a collection of spouses with family ties of >>>> > their own, you need a catalytic agent of some sort - maybe a person >>>> > or >>>> > a >>>> > group of people that pulls or pushes the different family members >>>> > together. They have to be either loved or feared or so much of a pain >>> it >>>> > the butt that everybody gives in to avoid further hassles. I watched >>>> > my >>>> > mother's Swedish family gatherings wither away after my Grandmother >>> died - >>>> > she was a catalyst of a sort and no one replaced her. >>>> > >>>> > Al in Music City >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > >>>> > From: "Joy Durrett" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:57 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Why didn't the next generation keep it going? Sounds like a great >>>> >> way >>> to >>>> >> keep the family together. >>>> >> >>>> >> Joy >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "al toennies" >>>> >> To: >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:52 AM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> My wife's family (all of Croatian descent) used to have a picnic at >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> summer home in Silver Lake, WI (we were all from Chicago) and >>>> >>> roasted >>> a >>>> >>> whole lamb over charcoal in a 55 gallon drum split lengthwise with >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> home-made turning mechanism >>>> >>> doing all the heavy work. I was never a big fan of lamb but I made >>>> >>> an >>>> >>> exception for that - Most of those folks are gone now but the >>>> >>> memories >>>> >>> remain including the best lamb I have ever eaten. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Al in Music City >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>>> >>> To: >>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:44 PM >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Nick, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I must admit that I roasted just a leg and used my Weber with nice >>> hot >>>> >>>> coals on the side. Pleeeze don't tell any real Croatians about my >>>> >>>> "unorthodox" method of using a Weber! Everyone here loves roast >>>> >>>> lamb >>>> >>>> except the wife. So it was enough for the gang. But IMHO the >>>> >>>> secret >>>> >>>> is selecting the right piece, trimming much of the fact and then >>>> >>>> coating the lamb with olive oil, salt (I use Croatian Podravka >>> Vegeta), >>>> >>>> pepper, fresh chopped garlic and rosemary and let it marinate in >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> fridge for a day or more... then setting the piece out about 2 >>>> >>>> hours >>>> >>>> before placing on the grill. Oh the other trick is slow roasting, >>>> >>>> no >>>> >>>> flame, just hot coals and not too close to the coals....mmmm.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It has been several years since our Junior tammie group here in >>>> >>>> Cleveland had a picnic... at that time we would take most of Sat >>>> >>>> afternoon to set up 8 whole lambs and 9 pigs on spits, then season >>> them >>>> >>>> and put them in the cooler for Sun am.. after that we would feast >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> gulas that I would make along with salad, some wine and slivovitz >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> one of the father's, who has since passed away would play his >>> harmonika >>>> >>>> (accordian) and all the guys would dance to his Bosanac songs! >>>> >>>> What >>> a >>>> >>>> sight! Then at 4 AM on Sunday I would meet my friend Mato Vrbic at >>> the >>>> >>>> picnic center to prepare the fire... then a little coffee with >>>> >>>> slivovitz of course... and about 6AM we would consider the coals >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> the brick lined floor hot enough to place the first few pieces on >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> spit... then about 11:30 ish the first ones would come off to be >>>> >>>> cut >>>> >>>> and served.... that Sunday would finish up at about 10-11 PM >>>> >>>> making >>>> >>>> sure the center was left in better condition than we found it! >>>> >>>> Lots >>>> >>>> of work but I miss those ! >>>> >>>> days... >>>> >>>> as they brought back memories of my Grandparent's PLASAJ (Mirko >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> Mary) and my cousin's BAKALE (Ivan and Johanna)farms in PA and the >>>> >>>> picnics we would have there. But they are all gone now so we try >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> carry on some semblance of those traditions..... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.podravka.com/en/products/index.php?if=new_products.php >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is a photo that may bring back some memories >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rogergou/bast4.jpeg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> nharamija wrote: >>>> >>>> Robert; Let us see your grille and how you set it up. >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:50 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Test >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My wife did those things! I was busy roasting.... lamb! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jerome Buza wrote: >>>> >>>> That's right!!! We were all busy baking and cooking and dying eggs >>> and >>>> >>>> cleaning the house for company. >>>> >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: "dave mothkovich" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:32 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Test >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Everybody got busy, and then the holiday came, it happens. >>>> >>>>> Christmas >>>> >>>>> was >>>> >>>>> different, everyone had time to chat it up. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Dave >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:45:41 +0800 "John Stefanac" >>>> >>>>> writes: >>>> >>>>>> Is it just quiet on this list or have I somehow been kicked off >>>> >>>>>> it >>>> >>>>>> again >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> >>>>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>> >>>>> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: >>>> >>>>> 3/27/2005 >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out >>>> >>>> about a >>>> >>>> wonderful tour of Croatia! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out >>>> >>>> about a wonderful tour of Croatia! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>> > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Interested in visting Croatia? 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Thanks Robert, You sure are educating me and I thank you. I love meeting people, learning about their lives and traditions and sharing the good and bad. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > Joy, > > You're welcome! But that is what these forums are about... sharing. If > it were not for my new Croatian friends I would never have known this, > having Croatian born people such as Tatjana help on these forums is a real > blessing. Some folks go through life thinking celebrating their Croatian > (and other Central and East European) heritage is eating "kielbasy", > listening to the Pennsylvania polka and consuming lots of beer! They > think all those folks are the same, folk dress, food, music, etc.! So if > they are interested we can help them learn. > > Robert > > Joy Durrett <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill, > > > That is what I like about this group. I learn so much about my ancestors > and > the culture and history. I would not know it if Robert did not take the > time > and others here to explain it and give us links to go and check things out > for ourselves. Thanks Robert for teaching us a little history lesson along > the way. > > Joy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William F Kane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > > >> Robert, >> I loved your story of the restaurant in Twin Cities. My daughter in law >> is Vietnamese. They have a dedication to learning. When the family came >> here as refugees her father could not find work so the mother worked in >> an electronics factory while he stayed home and saw that the family all >> got a good education checking homework, talking to teachers, volunteering >> at school, etc. A few years later the family started a restaurant that >> became very successful. My daughter in law got her MA in electrical >> engineering before she was twenty. My grandson is now taking college >> level courses for credit in high school. >> I don't know how my mother in laws soup came out Zaftig Juan in my e-mail >> it was supposed to be Zafrigana Juha. I think it was my spell check that >> did it. Sorry. >> As a professional geographer I have promised myself to stay out of the >> Balkan argument. But I must say you are all right. The Balkans have no >> definite boundaries and anyone writing about the area seems to just >> decide on their own what areas to write about. Just say it is an >> indefinite area in Southeastern Europe. All I can say is that Grandma >> Santek (with a mark over the S) almost went into mourning when one of her >> daughters married a Serb. She still did not talk kindly of him up to the >> time of her death. Nothing against the Serbs but I must say this was not >> a good man as he turned out to be a wife abuser. Of course grandma blamed >> it on his being a Serb. >> We are getting away from genealogy but history and geography and culture >> are all part of learning about our past. >> Bill Kane >> > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 > >

Amen brothers and sisters! Dave On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 04:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Robert Jerin <[email protected]> writes: > Joy, > > You're welcome! But that is what these forums are about... sharing. > If it were not for my new Croatian friends I would never have known > this, having Croatian born people such as Tatjana help on these > forums is a real blessing. Some folks go through life thinking > celebrating their Croatian (and other Central and East European) > heritage is eating "kielbasy", listening to the Pennsylvania polka > and consuming lots of beer! They think all those folks are the > same, folk dress, food, music, etc.! So if they are interested we > can help them learn. > > Robert > > Joy Durrett <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill, > > > That is what I like about this group. I learn so much about my > ancestors and > the culture and history. I would not know it if Robert did not take > the time > and others here to explain it and give us links to go and check > things out > for ourselves. Thanks Robert for teaching us a little history lesson > along > the way. > > Joy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William F Kane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > > > > Robert, > > I loved your story of the restaurant in Twin Cities. My daughter > in law > > is Vietnamese. They have a dedication to learning. When the family > came > > here as refugees her father could not find work so the mother > worked in > > an electronics factory while he stayed home and saw that the > family all > > got a good education checking homework, talking to teachers, > volunteering > > at school, etc. A few years later the family started a restaurant > that > > became very successful. My daughter in law got her MA in > electrical > > engineering before she was twenty. My grandson is now taking > college > > level courses for credit in high school. > > I don't know how my mother in laws soup came out Zaftig Juan in my > e-mail > > it was supposed to be Zafrigana Juha. I think it was my spell > check that > > did it. Sorry. > > As a professional geographer I have promised myself to stay out of > the > > Balkan argument. But I must say you are all right. The Balkans > have no > > definite boundaries and anyone writing about the area seems to > just > > decide on their own what areas to write about. Just say it is an > > indefinite area in Southeastern Europe. All I can say is that > Grandma > > Santek (with a mark over the S) almost went into mourning when one > of her > > daughters married a Serb. She still did not talk kindly of him up > to the > > time of her death. Nothing against the Serbs but I must say this > was not > > a good man as he turned out to be a wife abuser. Of course grandma > blamed > > it on his being a Serb. > > We are getting away from genealogy but history and geography and > culture > > are all part of learning about our past. > > Bill Kane > > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out > about a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > >

Joy, You're welcome! But that is what these forums are about... sharing. If it were not for my new Croatian friends I would never have known this, having Croatian born people such as Tatjana help on these forums is a real blessing. Some folks go through life thinking celebrating their Croatian (and other Central and East European) heritage is eating "kielbasy", listening to the Pennsylvania polka and consuming lots of beer! They think all those folks are the same, folk dress, food, music, etc.! So if they are interested we can help them learn. Robert Joy Durrett <[email protected]> wrote: Bill, That is what I like about this group. I learn so much about my ancestors and the culture and history. I would not know it if Robert did not take the time and others here to explain it and give us links to go and check things out for ourselves. Thanks Robert for teaching us a little history lesson along the way. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "William F Kane" To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci > Robert, > I loved your story of the restaurant in Twin Cities. My daughter in law > is Vietnamese. They have a dedication to learning. When the family came > here as refugees her father could not find work so the mother worked in > an electronics factory while he stayed home and saw that the family all > got a good education checking homework, talking to teachers, volunteering > at school, etc. A few years later the family started a restaurant that > became very successful. My daughter in law got her MA in electrical > engineering before she was twenty. My grandson is now taking college > level courses for credit in high school. > I don't know how my mother in laws soup came out Zaftig Juan in my e-mail > it was supposed to be Zafrigana Juha. I think it was my spell check that > did it. Sorry. > As a professional geographer I have promised myself to stay out of the > Balkan argument. But I must say you are all right. The Balkans have no > definite boundaries and anyone writing about the area seems to just > decide on their own what areas to write about. Just say it is an > indefinite area in Southeastern Europe. All I can say is that Grandma > Santek (with a mark over the S) almost went into mourning when one of her > daughters married a Serb. She still did not talk kindly of him up to the > time of her death. Nothing against the Serbs but I must say this was not > a good man as he turned out to be a wife abuser. Of course grandma blamed > it on his being a Serb. > We are getting away from genealogy but history and geography and culture > are all part of learning about our past. > Bill Kane > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

When we lived in Chicago (1984 - 1986) we frequented a place called Sarajevo on Lincoln Ave and a place on a major east-west street, called Miramar. The later mysteriously closed in 1991-1992! Here are a couple of Bosnian restaurant listings Bosnian Family Restaurant 2122 W Lawrence Ave. Chicago, IL 60625 Bosanski Okusi 6014 N. Broadway, 773-743-7560. Croatian Mall lists 3 places in Chicago: Cafe Continental 5515 N. Lincoln Ave. - Chicago Tel: (773) 878-7077 Cafe Croatia 5726 N. Western Ave. - Chicago Tel: (773) 276-2842 Casino Restaurant 9706 S Commercial Chicago 773-221-8159 But then Croatian Mall's last update was 2003 and with the restaurant business being one of the toughest they may be gone. http://www.croatianmall.com/croatia/food/Index.htm An interesting link to "Bosnian & Herzegovinian American Community Center" in Chicago http://www.bhacc.org/index.htm Here is a link to an article in the AZ Republic http://www.azcentral.com/ent/dining/articles/0625eurocafe25.html Robert Sarah Mueller <[email protected]> wrote: Unfortunately, I think Caf� Croatia closed some time ago. I have been looking for a Croatian restaurant in Chicago since The Golden Shell (a real gem and and popular among Southsiders of all nationalities for years) went into a decline years ago and eventually closed after the Croatian owner became ill and was forced to sell. A friend from out of town sent the website of Caf� Croatia to me a year or so ago, but when I drove by, it definitely appeared to be out of business. I tried calling the telephone number a couple hours ago and the number no longer belongs to Caf� Croatia. Also, I was not able to connect to the website. What a shame that a city like Chicago with a substantial Croatian population doesn't have a Croatian restaurant. If you go to www.metromix.chicagotribune.com, and click on "restaurants" about a fourth of the way from the top of the screen, then at the left side of the screen under "Cuisine" select Serbian, you will find Lidjas Restaurant, who "prefers to emphasize Yugoslavian food on her menu because you can not discriminate mindful of the breakup of her native country". Phone number given is 773-929-6500 it is on the north side, 4343 N. Lincoln. This is not an endorsement. I have never been there. It is simply the best I can do. As for me, I am looking forward to visiting Ante's Croatian Restaurant in San Pedro when I travel there for my son's wedding at the end of this month. I know there is a piece of krempita there with my name on it! Sarah ------ Original Message ----- From: Jerome Buza To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant in Chicago Chicago's only Croatian restaurant, is tucked away on Western Avenue near Bryn Mawr, in a neighborhood dominated by historical Rosehill Cemetery and a number of car dealerships. Tables are set outside Caf Croatia among cheerful flower planters during warmer months. To really appreciate the food in the proper surroundings, it's best to pass through the smoky bar in the front of Caf Croatia to the charming upper level. This cozy inn-like setting is decorated with linen table cloths, china table settings, and folksy wood carvings and paintings on the walls. Check out free candid reviews for Chicago. Also, get the latest weather for Chicago. Find all kinds of Restaurants in Chicago with Verizon SuperPages.com. Location 5726 N. Western Av. Chicago Illinois 60659 Phone 773 276-2842 Fax 773 276-2842 Website http://www.cafecroatia.com Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Unfortunately, I think Café Croatia closed some time ago. I have been looking for a Croatian restaurant in Chicago since The Golden Shell (a real gem and and popular among Southsiders of all nationalities for years) went into a decline years ago and eventually closed after the Croatian owner became ill and was forced to sell. A friend from out of town sent the website of Café Croatia to me a year or so ago, but when I drove by, it definitely appeared to be out of business. I tried calling the telephone number a couple hours ago and the number no longer belongs to Café Croatia. Also, I was not able to connect to the website. What a shame that a city like Chicago with a substantial Croatian population doesn't have a Croatian restaurant. If you go to www.metromix.chicagotribune.com<http://www.metromix.chicagotribune.com/>, and click on "restaurants" about a fourth of the way from the top of the screen, then at the left side of the screen under "Cuisine" select Serbian, you will find Lidjas Restaurant, who "prefers to emphasize Yugoslavian food on her menu because you can not discriminate mindful of the breakup of her native country". Phone number given is 773-929-6500 it is on the north side, 4343 N. Lincoln. This is not an endorsement. I have never been there. It is simply the best I can do. As for me, I am looking forward to visiting Ante's Croatian Restaurant in San Pedro when I travel there for my son's wedding at the end of this month. I know there is a piece of krempita there with my name on it! Sarah ------ Original Message ----- From: Jerome Buza<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant in Chicago Chicago's only Croatian restaurant, is tucked away on Western Avenue near Bryn Mawr, in a neighborhood dominated by historical Rosehill Cemetery and a number of car dealerships. Tables are set outside Caf Croatia among cheerful flower planters during warmer months. To really appreciate the food in the proper surroundings, it's best to pass through the smoky bar in the front of Caf Croatia to the charming upper level. This cozy inn-like setting is decorated with linen table cloths, china table settings, and folksy wood carvings and paintings on the walls. Check out free candid reviews for Chicago. Also, get the latest weather for Chicago. Find all kinds of Restaurants in Chicago with Verizon SuperPages.com. Location 5726 N. Western Av. Chicago Illinois 60659 Phone 773 276-2842 Fax 773 276-2842 Website http://www.cafecroatia.com<http://www.cafecroatia.com/>

A good story, Robert, and, Bill, I also saved the mlinci recipe, but could someone kindly start a discussion of turnovers and stuffed dumplings, ban cuon or ravioli, whatever? I eat them hot or cold. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Jerin To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Mlinci Bill, I am very fond of Vietnamese, especially bun Cha#777; giò and cafe su da for dessert. That brings up a genealogically related point, well kind of. When we lived in "The Cities" we befriended a family who owned several restuarants. The husband had worked for the US distributing corn oil to the villagers, seems lard was thier main oil until the US got there. They were quite the family, the wife spoke little English. But they would sit with us when we ate there... they used us to describe the new dishes they put on their menu. They had 4 children all attending U of M in math and science programs... that was expected by Mr. Ngoc! He lamented the fact that his children were becoming American and were not interested in their family history. I assured him that in later life they would find that interest. When the first grandson was born we were invited to their restuarant which they had closed on the day of the baptism. We lost contact with them but I can still recall,! s! itting and drinking cafe su da (sp?) with Mr Ngoc while he chain smoked his Pall Malls! I learned that orientals, in general, have strong families, at least the ones I have known. Guess I am like the old man I once met who commented that he only liked 2 kinds of pies.... they were ... hot and cold :) Robert

Could you please reassure this list -- I've never been to Phoenix and it may take me a while longer -- that when we do finally make it to this deli that the business will still be there? Are the children or grandchildren willing to put in the long hours or perhaps one of the employees will take over the shop? AAAggh, the refrigerator is calling out to me, and all I've got at home are 8 tamales and a papa relleno, Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerome Buza To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] zeludac pate Sandra, Best of Europe Meats and Deli is located at 32nd Street and Greenway in Phoenix. Coming from Nevada you would get on the 101 freeway, head east, get off at the 51 freeway and then at Greenway road. Turn west and it will be the first or second driveway on the right hand side. It is a funny shopping center and there is a group of stores near the McDonald's sitting by themselves and that is where the deli is. Plan to get a sandwich while there. They have a garlic-pepper pork sandwich on rye that is wonderful - to die for Their phone number is 602 493 1973. They usually have their own hot dogs, too, and you'll never want to eat any other after eating them. If you go there, tell them that Margaret and JB sent you. Our pictures are up on their wall and we used to work for them. They speak Polish and English. Margaret