Stojan, here site for download QTengcro v5: http://www.sharewareriver.com/product.php?id=14806 C. Munka. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stojan Ninkovic" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:40 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] translation question > Does anyone know where I can find a web based translation service that will translate my English letter into Croatian? Please advise. Thanks! > Stojanovich > British Columbia > > >

To Robert Jerin: Hi Robert, This is my first mail to the list. Have been taking it all in for some time now. Great list! Have learned a lot. I was turned on by your answer a day or so ago re Croatian online phone list. I checked it out and was glad to find my Mother's hometown of Krizisce under the name of Grubisic listed. My question is: Short of calling, is it possible to find any email listing in Krizisce? Thank you for your help. Bill Kuchan (Kucan)

Kari: My grandfather's cousin was Joseph Grganic on his immigration information but became Giganic (accent on the second syllable and a hard C to "Americanize" it) on all subsequent paperwork. I am not sure if it was legally changed or just morphed into along the way. I'd guess the R would've been replaced by one of the vowels. Peg

Robert; If you like Jelly Bellies then "You" should love Belly Flops. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... Hi Dr., We visited his winery several years ago, he is quite the character, very personable. One of my wife's favorites is his Violetta Wine, named after his daughter. Ah yes that is our late great President, a friend of the Croatian people and a lover of the only jelly bean to my liking, Jelly Bellys and now I see he was a fan of my favorite CA winery. Ah, where is Dutch when ya need him! Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> wrote: A note about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant. His was the first non-French (i.e. California) wine to be used at a State dinner, during the Regan administration. I've been to his winery and met and spoken to him. He's about 90 and his lovely daughter runs most of it. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... "I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is her personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most baffling mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery of the probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel grape." -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. http://www.grgich.com/index.html @ivio ! Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Kari, Tim Grgurich hails from Pittsburgh but has maintained a home in Las Vegas since 1980 when he left Pitt to coach basketball at UNLV. He currently is an assistant coach for the Portland Trailblazers. I know he has not caught the genealogy bug so I'm pretty sure he has little to offer. However, his daughter Jenny was married about a year ago and her wedding is featured this month in "Inside Weddings" page 221 (I know it is available at Barnes and Noble because my wife brought home a copy). I tell you this in case you want to see if you see a family resemblance. I've also come across some Grgurich families in Central Illinois. Andy -----Original Message----- From: kari bars [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... Question... My family name is GRGURICH - - - very little luck researching their 1917 immigration (miner in Houghton, Painesdale, Michigan) How would you think I would find this name spelled. Can't find anything close to his name. Philip GRGURICH and Anna GRGURICH (Spoljarich) both born in Croatia (as per sons 1917 birth certificate in Michigan) This email you sent about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant prompted me to ask what you thought. What spellings should I look for? Thank you so much in advance for any suggestions, Kari Bars Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Dr., We visited his winery several years ago, he is quite the character, very personable. One of my wife's favorites is his Violetta Wine, named after his daughter. Ah yes that is our late great President, a friend of the Croatian people and a lover of the only jelly bean to my liking, Jelly Bellys and now I see he was a fan of my favorite CA winery. Ah, where is Dutch when ya need him! Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: A note about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant. His was the first non-French (i.e. California) wine to be used at a State dinner, during the Regan administration. I've been to his winery and met and spoken to him. He's about 90 and his lovely daughter runs most of it. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... "I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is her personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most baffling mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery of the probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel grape." -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. http://www.grgich.com/index.html @ivio ! Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun.

Question... My family name is GRGURICH - - - very little luck researching their 1917 immigration (miner in Houghton, Painesdale, Michigan) How would you think I would find this name spelled. Can't find anything close to his name. Philip GRGURICH and Anna GRGURICH (Spoljarich) both born in Croatia (as per sons 1917 birth certificate in Michigan) This email you sent about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant prompted me to ask what you thought. What spellings should I look for? Thank you so much in advance for any suggestions, Kari Bars Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Dr., We visited his winery several years ago, he is quite the character, very personable. One of my wife's favorites is his Violetta Wine, named after his daughter. Ah yes that is our late great President, a friend of the Croatian people and a lover of the only jelly bean to my liking, Jelly Bellys and now I see he was a fan of my favorite CA winery. Ah, where is Dutch when ya need him! Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: A note about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant. His was the first non-French (i.e. California) wine to be used at a State dinner, during the Regan administration. I've been to his winery and met and spoken to him. He's about 90 and his lovely daughter runs most of it. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... "I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is her personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most baffling mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery of the probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel grape." -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. http://www.grgich.com/index.html @ivio ! Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun.

Nick, Yep, my mother sends so many bags of Belly Flops from CA that I end up giving most of it away! Robert nharamija <[email protected]> wrote: Robert; If you like Jelly Bellies then "You" should love Belly Flops. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" To: Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... Hi Dr., We visited his winery several years ago, he is quite the character, very personable. One of my wife's favorites is his Violetta Wine, named after his daughter. Ah yes that is our late great President, a friend of the Croatian people and a lover of the only jelly bean to my liking, Jelly Bellys and now I see he was a fan of my favorite CA winery. Ah, where is Dutch when ya need him! Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: A note about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant. His was the first non-French (i.e. California) wine to be used at a State dinner, during the Regan administration. I've been to his winery and met and spoken to him. He's about 90 and his lovely daughter runs most of it. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... "I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is her personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most baffling mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery of the probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel grape." -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. http://www.grgich.com/index.html @ivio ! Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Hi Dr., We visited his winery several years ago, he is quite the character, very personable. One of my wife's favorites is his Violetta Wine, named after his daughter. Ah yes that is our late great President, a friend of the Croatian people and a lover of the only jelly bean to my liking, Jelly Bellys and now I see he was a fan of my favorite CA winery. Ah, where is Dutch when ya need him! Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> wrote: A note about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant. His was the first non-French (i.e. California) wine to be used at a State dinner, during the Regan administration. I've been to his winery and met and spoken to him. He's about 90 and his lovely daughter runs most of it. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... "I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is her personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most baffling mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery of the probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel grape." -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. http://www.grgich.com/index.html @ivio ! Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Thanks Robert, I sent that on to our youngest son who is considering opening a wine warehouse / wine bar in Mesa. He presently is a tobacconist. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... > "I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or > depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. > Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is > her personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most > baffling mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery > of the probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel > grape." > -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan > American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History > > http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm > > http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm > > And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after > Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. > > http://www.grgich.com/index.html > > @ivio ! > > Robert > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.4 - Release Date: 4/6/2005 > >

A note about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant. His was the first non-French (i.e. California) wine to be used at a State dinner, during the Regan administration. I've been to his winery and met and spoken to him. He's about 90 and his lovely daughter runs most of it. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... "I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is her personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most baffling mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery of the probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel grape." -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. http://www.grgich.com/index.html @ivio ! Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

"I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is her personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most baffling mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery of the probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel grape." -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. http://www.grgich.com/index.html @ivio ! Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

I have heard back from some of you stating that I should have included the surnames I'm researching. Sorry about that..the names are Horvatic, Blazekovic and Milac so far. They settled in the Pittsburgh, PA area in the early 1910's. As for my surname, I have kept my maiden name which is of Polish origin. Thanks! Kim Stankiewicz

You're right. I always thought the ultimate weapon would be to put them in the pay toilets... if you don't get three 7s, deposit another coin. Keep our desert green! Andy -----Original Message----- From: William F Kane [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant in Chicago and a Bosnian one in Phoenix I haven't been to Vegas for over 8 years but then I didn't find one penny machine and few nickel ones. They probably have also put them in supermarkets and drugstores to get people to spend their change on the way out. Any thing to make a buck or should I say a million bucks. Bill

What's it like to the north, I might want to move.. spring isn't even in bloom yet and the bugs are everywhere, then I have to worry about tornadoes too. Dave On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:28:07 -0700 "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> writes: > 'Tis true, Sandra. No hurricanes, tornados, few bugs, clean air, > good > temperatures (perhaps a little warm in the summer), water skiing 30 > minutes > to the south, snow skiing 30 minutes to the north... though traffic > is a bit > congested and each newbie drives by the rules from back home. It is > a great > place to live. I'm in the Northwest, near Summerlin. But the > nearest > Croatian restaurant seems to be in PHX or CA. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant in Chicago and a > Bosnian one in > Phoenix > > > And THANK YOU for the welcome, Andy! With 'all' the newbies coming > here to > live ... keep your fingers crossed ... you will have your Croatian > Restaurant > one day. > > Sorry to have added to your population growth; but you must admit > ... a > GREAT > place to live! > Just out of the pool ... in the far southeast ... closer to Boulder > City, > Sandra > > In a message dated 4/5/2005 9:04:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Thank you Sandra, and Nick, and welcome to Las Vegas. But STILL no > Croatian > > restaurant > that I know of. > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi! I am new to this list and new to Croatian genealogy (I want to pursue my husband's side now). I have been an avid genealogist for a few years now but with only Polish and German research. I have just discovered this list and it looks quite active so I thought maybe someone can lead me in the right direction. I have a few questions: 1) I have heard (from fellow genealogists) that most Croatians did not come through Ellis Island but Philadelphia.is this true? I have not been able to locate any ancestors on Ellis Island or using Steve Morse's Ellis Island One Step so thought perhaps this may be true. 2) When beginning Croatian genealogy are there any good books that are recommended to begin Croatian genealogy? 3) Are there any good Croatian language books that help one decipher LDS microfilmed records? 4) Are there any good atlas' of Croatia that are 1:200,000 scale? If so, where can one be purchased? Please forgive me if these are dumb or often asked questions. I'm a newbie at Croatian genealogy but very eager to get started! Thanks! Kim Stankiewicz

I haven't been to Vegas for over 8 years but then I didn't find one penny machine and few nickel ones. They probably have also put them in supermarkets and drugstores to get people to spend their change on the way out. Any thing to make a buck or should I say a million bucks. Bill

Robert, I don't read Croatian so it would be hard for me to make any of those recepies. But I did enjoy reading about Nalley and the doll collector from Argentina Thanks for sharing. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] cook book > Darn colon and semi-colon ! > > http://mirror.veus.hr/darko/etf/cook.html > > Robert > > Joy Durrett <[email protected]> wrote: > Donald your link does not work.--Joy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Marinkovich" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:19 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] cook book > > >> http;//mirror.veus.hr/darko/etf/cook.html I hope that thing still >> works. >> Donald Marinkovich >> > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >

Darn colon and semi-colon ! http://mirror.veus.hr/darko/etf/cook.html Robert Joy Durrett <[email protected]> wrote: Donald your link does not work.--Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marinkovich" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] cook book > http;//mirror.veus.hr/darko/etf/cook.html I hope that thing still > works. > Donald Marinkovich > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Go to google and type in Croation cook book and you will have reading for a long time.

http;//mirror.veus.hr/darko/etf/cook.html I hope that thing still works. Donald Marinkovich