But the holes would definitely be easy puts. Dave On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:26:22 -0400 "nharamija" <[email protected]> writes: > Dave ; I understand there still land mines in the ground, would that > be a > hazard or a bunker. > Nick :-)) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave mothkovich" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > > Nick and Andy- > Love the game, and the walk, except when the ball goes in the drink. > I > think it would be great to go to Croatia and start up Golf courses > if > they don't already have some. > Dave > On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:54:43 -0700 "Dr. Andrew Nixon" > <[email protected]> writes: > > Nick, > > > > Yes, subdivisions are built around some of them. As for me, like > > you, I > > never took up the game. We must be in the distinct minority. I > used > > to enjoy > > the walk occasionally when accompanying friends, but now I > > understand, > > nearly all courses require golf carts. > > > > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:29 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > > > No Andy; > > I "Mean subdivisions" are built and a Golf course are built > around > > them. > > Heard several golfers talking in the line next to me when I was > > checking in > > last year. > > I don't golf, never learned to chase a little ball. > > Nick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:31 PM > > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > > > > > Hello Nick, > > > > Back in the days when I was teaching school all day and driving > taxi > > much of > > the night to keep body and soul together (remember when we could > do > > that?) > > there were about six golf courses in town - one Municipal, and the > > Dunes > > (current site of the Bellagio), Tropicana (current site of the > MGM > > Grand), > > and Desert Inn, now site of the soon to open Wynn Las Vegas. > Those > > are gone > > but the other few still remain; Sahara (about 1.5 miles from the > > hotel), the > > Showboat (located way out in Henderson - now part of Green > Valley), > > and > > Louis Prima's Fairway to the Stars south of town that eventually > > fell into > > disrepair. > > > > The phone book currently lists 14 private courses and 44 (that is > > no > > misprint) public courses. They include Badlands, which as its > name > > implies, > > is built in concert with the harsh desert environment, Tournament > > Player's > > Club, which is a world class course, and one so exclusive that it > is > > by > > invitation only. And yes, many of the communities are built > around > > courses. > > > > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:06 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > > > Andy ; Is it true that they build Golf courses "Around" > communities > > out > > there? > > Nick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dave ; I understand there still land mines in the ground, would that be a hazard or a bunker. Nick :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave mothkovich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant Nick and Andy- Love the game, and the walk, except when the ball goes in the drink. I think it would be great to go to Croatia and start up Golf courses if they don't already have some. Dave On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:54:43 -0700 "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> writes: > Nick, > > Yes, subdivisions are built around some of them. As for me, like > you, I > never took up the game. We must be in the distinct minority. I used > to enjoy > the walk occasionally when accompanying friends, but now I > understand, > nearly all courses require golf carts. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > No Andy; > I "Mean subdivisions" are built and a Golf course are built around > them. > Heard several golfers talking in the line next to me when I was > checking in > last year. > I don't golf, never learned to chase a little ball. > Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:31 PM > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > > Hello Nick, > > Back in the days when I was teaching school all day and driving taxi > much of > the night to keep body and soul together (remember when we could do > that?) > there were about six golf courses in town - one Municipal, and the > Dunes > (current site of the Bellagio), Tropicana (current site of the MGM > Grand), > and Desert Inn, now site of the soon to open Wynn Las Vegas. Those > are gone > but the other few still remain; Sahara (about 1.5 miles from the > hotel), the > Showboat (located way out in Henderson - now part of Green Valley), > and > Louis Prima's Fairway to the Stars south of town that eventually > fell into > disrepair. > > The phone book currently lists 14 private courses and 44 (that is > no > misprint) public courses. They include Badlands, which as its name > implies, > is built in concert with the harsh desert environment, Tournament > Player's > Club, which is a world class course, and one so exclusive that it is > by > invitation only. And yes, many of the communities are built around > courses. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > Andy ; Is it true that they build Golf courses "Around" communities > out > there? > Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > >

Joining the golf course talk!!! Here in AZ, we have an over abundance of golf courses. Most are very expensive. Neither Jerry or I golf, nor our grown up kids, but my brother does. He bought his retirement home in a sub that was building homes before the course went in, so he got a great buy. 7 years later, he wanted a bigger home in the same sub and didn't want to be on the course any more (he had to replace windows, repair stucco, etc, and had to put netting around so they wouldn't get clunked in the head). He made about $60,000 on the sale and moved 2 blocks away to a bigger slightly higher priced home. It cost a fortune for fees and you have to dress a certain way and drive a cart and there are cart regulations. I think it is a rich man's sport. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave mothkovich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > Nick and Andy- > Love the game, and the walk, except when the ball goes in the drink. I > think it would be great to go to Croatia and start up Golf courses if > they don't already have some. > Dave > On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:54:43 -0700 "Dr. Andrew Nixon" > <[email protected]> writes: >> Nick, >> >> Yes, subdivisions are built around some of them. As for me, like >> you, I >> never took up the game. We must be in the distinct minority. I used >> to enjoy >> the walk occasionally when accompanying friends, but now I >> understand, >> nearly all courses require golf carts. >> >> Andy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:29 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant >> >> No Andy; >> I "Mean subdivisions" are built and a Golf course are built around >> them. >> Heard several golfers talking in the line next to me when I was >> checking in >> last year. >> I don't golf, never learned to chase a little ball. >> Nick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:31 PM >> Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant >> >> >> Hello Nick, >> >> Back in the days when I was teaching school all day and driving taxi >> much of >> the night to keep body and soul together (remember when we could do >> that?) >> there were about six golf courses in town - one Municipal, and the >> Dunes >> (current site of the Bellagio), Tropicana (current site of the MGM >> Grand), >> and Desert Inn, now site of the soon to open Wynn Las Vegas. Those >> are gone >> but the other few still remain; Sahara (about 1.5 miles from the >> hotel), the >> Showboat (located way out in Henderson - now part of Green Valley), >> and >> Louis Prima's Fairway to the Stars south of town that eventually >> fell into >> disrepair. >> >> The phone book currently lists 14 private courses and 44 (that is >> no >> misprint) public courses. They include Badlands, which as its name >> implies, >> is built in concert with the harsh desert environment, Tournament >> Player's >> Club, which is a world class course, and one so exclusive that it is >> by >> invitation only. And yes, many of the communities are built around >> courses. >> >> Andy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:06 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant >> >> Andy ; Is it true that they build Golf courses "Around" communities >> out >> there? >> Nick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 >

Nick and Andy- Love the game, and the walk, except when the ball goes in the drink. I think it would be great to go to Croatia and start up Golf courses if they don't already have some. Dave On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:54:43 -0700 "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> writes: > Nick, > > Yes, subdivisions are built around some of them. As for me, like > you, I > never took up the game. We must be in the distinct minority. I used > to enjoy > the walk occasionally when accompanying friends, but now I > understand, > nearly all courses require golf carts. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > No Andy; > I "Mean subdivisions" are built and a Golf course are built around > them. > Heard several golfers talking in the line next to me when I was > checking in > last year. > I don't golf, never learned to chase a little ball. > Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:31 PM > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > > Hello Nick, > > Back in the days when I was teaching school all day and driving taxi > much of > the night to keep body and soul together (remember when we could do > that?) > there were about six golf courses in town - one Municipal, and the > Dunes > (current site of the Bellagio), Tropicana (current site of the MGM > Grand), > and Desert Inn, now site of the soon to open Wynn Las Vegas. Those > are gone > but the other few still remain; Sahara (about 1.5 miles from the > hotel), the > Showboat (located way out in Henderson - now part of Green Valley), > and > Louis Prima's Fairway to the Stars south of town that eventually > fell into > disrepair. > > The phone book currently lists 14 private courses and 44 (that is > no > misprint) public courses. They include Badlands, which as its name > implies, > is built in concert with the harsh desert environment, Tournament > Player's > Club, which is a world class course, and one so exclusive that it is > by > invitation only. And yes, many of the communities are built around > courses. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant > > Andy ; Is it true that they build Golf courses "Around" communities > out > there? > Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > >

No Andy; I "Mean subdivisions" are built and a Golf course are built around them. Heard several golfers talking in the line next to me when I was checking in last year. I don't golf, never learned to chase a little ball. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant Hello Nick, Back in the days when I was teaching school all day and driving taxi much of the night to keep body and soul together (remember when we could do that?) there were about six golf courses in town - one Municipal, and the Dunes (current site of the Bellagio), Tropicana (current site of the MGM Grand), and Desert Inn, now site of the soon to open Wynn Las Vegas. Those are gone but the other few still remain; Sahara (about 1.5 miles from the hotel), the Showboat (located way out in Henderson - now part of Green Valley), and Louis Prima's Fairway to the Stars south of town that eventually fell into disrepair. The phone book currently lists 14 private courses and 44 (that is no misprint) public courses. They include Badlands, which as its name implies, is built in concert with the harsh desert environment, Tournament Player's Club, which is a world class course, and one so exclusive that it is by invitation only. And yes, many of the communities are built around courses. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant Andy ; Is it true that they build Golf courses "Around" communities out there? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]>

Nick, Yes, subdivisions are built around some of them. As for me, like you, I never took up the game. We must be in the distinct minority. I used to enjoy the walk occasionally when accompanying friends, but now I understand, nearly all courses require golf carts. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant No Andy; I "Mean subdivisions" are built and a Golf course are built around them. Heard several golfers talking in the line next to me when I was checking in last year. I don't golf, never learned to chase a little ball. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant Hello Nick, Back in the days when I was teaching school all day and driving taxi much of the night to keep body and soul together (remember when we could do that?) there were about six golf courses in town - one Municipal, and the Dunes (current site of the Bellagio), Tropicana (current site of the MGM Grand), and Desert Inn, now site of the soon to open Wynn Las Vegas. Those are gone but the other few still remain; Sahara (about 1.5 miles from the hotel), the Showboat (located way out in Henderson - now part of Green Valley), and Louis Prima's Fairway to the Stars south of town that eventually fell into disrepair. The phone book currently lists 14 private courses and 44 (that is no misprint) public courses. They include Badlands, which as its name implies, is built in concert with the harsh desert environment, Tournament Player's Club, which is a world class course, and one so exclusive that it is by invitation only. And yes, many of the communities are built around courses. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant Andy ; Is it true that they build Golf courses "Around" communities out there? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]>

Nick Out here in the Phoenix area the developers put in the golf course and club house before they open their model homes. The yellow pages lists 35 private golf courses and 115 public ones. No resort would think of opening today without a golf course, spa, tennis courts, water play area, etc. Also listed are 16 golf course architects and 16 Golf course construction companies. There are also two companies that will build your own personalized putting green in your back yard. Not to mention the 45 golf cart companies that will lease or sell you your own cart. Bill

Frank, thank you for those maps and information. I am just starting to work my way through the information. I opened up such a can of worms by just mentioning a Balkan Cookbook that included Croatia, that I was a bit stunned. I am not a real history buff, but a recipe buff. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kurchina" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Balkans or southeastern Europe > > Perhaps some subscribers would like to read the definition of "Balkans" > presented below : > (However the printout in 1 inch thick) > Maps below might be the better starting point ? > > TWENTY-FIVE LECTURES ON MODERN BALKAN HISTORY > (THE BALKANS IN THE AGE OF NATIONALISM) > by Steven W. Sowards > http://www.lib.msu.edu/sowards/balkan/ > > List of Maps > http://www.lib.msu.edu/sowards/balkan/maps.htm > > Bibliography > http://www.lib.msu.edu/sowards/staff/balkan/bibliography.html > > v > Frank Kurcina > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 > >

Nick, I didn't read the whole article about Kefir, but what I did read reminded me of the "Boza" that was sold in Turkey, a fermented wheat drink. When we first moved into our Turkish apartment and heard the work "Boza" being pernounced by the street vendor (whose name escapes me now), we thought someone was calling out our name "Buza". We had to find out what was going on and it was this drink that he was selling. All the people like that had name that ended in AGEE. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "nharamija" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast > Tony; Did you know how Kefir is made? I don't like to get drunk. > http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html > This tells how it is made. Thank you for the excuse. LOL > Nick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tony zugay" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast > > > I think the closest thing to smetana that you can get in a grocery > store these days is KEFIR. I really enjoyed all the food talk and it > brings back memories of my mom's cooking. We ate Zgance a lot during > Lent. She usually added sauteed onions to it for flavor. Zafrig was > added to almost every soup she made and we had a soup from scratch as a > starter for most every evening meal. I married a Minnesota girl > (Norwegian/German) but she had a two week cooking course from my mom > after we married, and she learned to make a lot of my favorites. > Thanks to that experience and a cookbook from St Joseph the Worker > Church in Gary IN my family still enjoys Croatian cooking. The next > time I visit my daughter and son in St Paul I'll have to take them to > that VFW in South St Paul. > Tony > On Apr 1, 2005, at 3:43 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: > >> smetana is a low fat product; a cross between soured cream and yoghurt >> >> Robert >> >> nharamija <[email protected]> wrote: >> Pray tell What Is "Smetana"? >> Nick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Jerin" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >> >> >> >> >> >> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out >> about a wonderful tour of Croatia! >> >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >> > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 > >

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Hello Nick, Back in the days when I was teaching school all day and driving taxi much of the night to keep body and soul together (remember when we could do that?) there were about six golf courses in town - one Municipal, and the Dunes (current site of the Bellagio), Tropicana (current site of the MGM Grand), and Desert Inn, now site of the soon to open Wynn Las Vegas. Those are gone but the other few still remain; Sahara (about 1.5 miles from the hotel), the Showboat (located way out in Henderson - now part of Green Valley), and Louis Prima's Fairway to the Stars south of town that eventually fell into disrepair. The phone book currently lists 14 private courses and 44 (that is no misprint) public courses. They include Badlands, which as its name implies, is built in concert with the harsh desert environment, Tournament Player's Club, which is a world class course, and one so exclusive that it is by invitation only. And yes, many of the communities are built around courses. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nharamija [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian restaurant Andy ; Is it true that they build Golf courses "Around" communities out there? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]>

Dave, As I mentioned both spellings appear in the Croatian phone book, GRUBISIC in fairly large numbers and GRUBESIC in lesser numbers. Given that one would surmise that they are different surnames. Robert dave mothkovich <[email protected]> wrote: Tatjana- Thanks for the information- you're a 100% sure that Grubesic and Grubisic are different surnames? I know you usually are right about things, but the spelling is so close.. Dave On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 03:18:03 EDT [email protected] writes: > Dave, Krizisce is in Prim Gor County. Lukac and Dugo Selo Lukacko as > well as > Bakic are in Virovitica County. The map: > http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=5&x=2592888&y=5066380&cx=259 2888& > cy=5066380&w=640&h=410 > > All 4 names tel. are listed in the area. 9 BAKIC and 3 VUKSIC in > Dugo Selo > (population 679). 1 MATKOVIC and 2 GRUBISIC in Cacinci (population > 2390). There > is also nearby a place Bakic (population 610). > GRUBISIC and GRUBESIC are not the same name. > Tatjana > > In a message dated 4/7/2005 11:18:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Subj: Re: [CROATIA-L] Grubisic in Krizisce > Date: 4/7/2005 11:18:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: [email protected] (dave mothkovich) > Reply-to: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Bill - > You know that Ashley Tiwara is researching Grubesic.. I think it is > the > same surname. > I am trying to find a connection between Vuksic,Bakic(from Dugo > Selo > Lukacko), Grubesic, and Matkovic(esp. the place of origin for the > Matkovic connection...) as I suspect this is how my grandfather met > my > grandmother -contrary to family stories. Where is Krizisce? > > Dave M. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Andy ; Is it true that they build Golf courses "Around" communities out there? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]>

Dave, Buric book on Gorski Kotar surnames has them as different names. The spelling he found there: 1. GRUBEZ"IC' in Zlobin GRUBES"IC' in Lokve 2. GRUBISICH in Mrkopalj and Sunger GRUBIS"IC' in Mrkopalj GRUBISIC' in Mrkopalj and Jelenje similar name: GRUBIC' Simunovic has only GRUBIS"IC' By the way Ashley's GRUBISIC is from Mrkopalj (in Gorski Kotar part of Primorsko Goranska County) Tatjana

Tatjana- Thanks for the information- you're a 100% sure that Grubesic and Grubisic are different surnames? I know you usually are right about things, but the spelling is so close.. Dave On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 03:18:03 EDT [email protected] writes: > Dave, Krizisce is in Prim Gor County. Lukac and Dugo Selo Lukacko as > well as > Bakic are in Virovitica County. The map: > http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=5&x=2592888&y=5066380&cx=259 2888& > cy=5066380&w=640&h=410 > > All 4 names tel. are listed in the area. 9 BAKIC and 3 VUKSIC in > Dugo Selo > (population 679). 1 MATKOVIC and 2 GRUBISIC in Cacinci (population > 2390). There > is also nearby a place Bakic (population 610). > GRUBISIC and GRUBESIC are not the same name. > Tatjana > > In a message dated 4/7/2005 11:18:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Subj: Re: [CROATIA-L] Grubisic in Krizisce > Date: 4/7/2005 11:18:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: [email protected] (dave mothkovich) > Reply-to: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Bill - > You know that Ashley Tiwara is researching Grubesic.. I think it is > the > same surname. > I am trying to find a connection between Vuksic,Bakic(from Dugo > Selo > Lukacko), Grubesic, and Matkovic(esp. the place of origin for the > Matkovic connection...) as I suspect this is how my grandfather met > my > grandmother -contrary to family stories. Where is Krizisce? > > Dave M. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >

Dave, Krizisce is in Prim Gor County. Lukac and Dugo Selo Lukacko as well as Bakic are in Virovitica County. The map: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=5&x=2592888&y=5066380&cx=2592888& cy=5066380&w=640&h=410 All 4 names tel. are listed in the area. 9 BAKIC and 3 VUKSIC in Dugo Selo (population 679). 1 MATKOVIC and 2 GRUBISIC in Cacinci (population 2390). There is also nearby a place Bakic (population 610). GRUBISIC and GRUBESIC are not the same name. Tatjana In a message dated 4/7/2005 11:18:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: Re: [CROATIA-L] Grubisic in Krizisce Date: 4/7/2005 11:18:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] (dave mothkovich) Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Bill - You know that Ashley Tiwara is researching Grubesic.. I think it is the same surname. I am trying to find a connection between Vuksic,Bakic(from Dugo Selo Lukacko), Grubesic, and Matkovic(esp. the place of origin for the Matkovic connection...) as I suspect this is how my grandfather met my grandmother -contrary to family stories. Where is Krizisce? Dave M. > > >>

Bill - You know that Ashley Tiwara is researching Grubesic.. I think it is the same surname. I am trying to find a connection between Vuksic,Bakic(from Dugo Selo Lukacko), Grubesic, and Matkovic(esp. the place of origin for the Matkovic connection...) as I suspect this is how my grandfather met my grandmother -contrary to family stories. Where is Krizisce? Dave M. On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:21:51 -0700 (PDT) William Kuchan <[email protected]> writes: > To Robert Jerin: > Hi Robert, > This is my first mail to the list. Have been taking it all in for > some time now. Great list! Have learned a lot. > I was turned on by your answer a day or so ago re Croatian online > phone list. I checked it out and was glad to find my Mother's > hometown of Krizisce under the name of Grubisic listed. > My question is: > Short of calling, is it possible to find any email listing in > Krizisce? > Thank you for your help. > Bill Kuchan (Kucan) > > > >

There are over 1,500 GRUBISIC listed in the phone book and 195 GRUBESIC. Robert dave mothkovich <[email protected]> wrote: Bill - You know that Ashley Tiwara is researching Grubesic.. I think it is the same surname. I am trying to find a connection between Vuksic,Bakic(from Dugo Selo Lukacko), Grubesic, and Matkovic(esp. the place of origin for the Matkovic connection...) as I suspect this is how my grandfather met my grandmother -contrary to family stories. Where is Krizisce? Dave M. On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:21:51 -0700 (PDT) William Kuchan writes: > To Robert Jerin: > Hi Robert, > This is my first mail to the list. Have been taking it all in for > some time now. Great list! Have learned a lot. > I was turned on by your answer a day or so ago re Croatian online > phone list. I checked it out and was glad to find my Mother's > hometown of Krizisce under the name of Grubisic listed. > My question is: > Short of calling, is it possible to find any email listing in > Krizisce? > Thank you for your help. > Bill Kuchan (Kucan) > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

My Step-Grandfather's name went from Grgich to Grich , but I don't know where he was from Karen Heiser Weed, Siskiyou, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "kari bars" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... > Question... > My family name is GRGURICH - - - very little luck researching their 1917 immigration (miner in Houghton, Painesdale, Michigan) > How would you think I would find this name spelled. Can't find anything close to his name. > Philip GRGURICH and Anna GRGURICH (Spoljarich) > both born in Croatia (as per sons 1917 birth certificate in Michigan) > This email you sent about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant prompted me to ask what you thought. > What spellings should I look for? > Thank you so much in advance for any suggestions, > Kari Bars > > > Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dr., > > We visited his winery several years ago, he is quite the character, very personable. One of my wife's favorites is his Violetta Wine, named after his daughter. > > Ah yes that is our late great President, a friend of the Croatian people and a lover of the only jelly bean to my liking, Jelly Bellys and now I see he was a fan of my favorite CA winery. Ah, where is Dutch when ya need him! > > Robert > > "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: > A note about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant. His was the first non-French > (i.e. California) wine to be used at a State dinner, during the Regan > administration. I've been to his winery and met and spoken to him. He's > about 90 and his lovely daughter runs most of it. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... > > "I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or > depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. > Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is her > personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most baffling > mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery of the > probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel grape." > -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan > American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History > > http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm > > http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm > > And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after > Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. > > http://www.grgich.com/index.html > > @ivio ! > > Robert > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a > wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger > Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. > >

Try www.ironrangeresearchcenter.org .There a lot of Spolarich and Spolars here. Lots of Gregorichs that might have been changed from Grgurich. The former tambura director from Pitsburg by the name of Gregorich said that his name was changed that way. Donald Marinkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: "kari bars" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... > Question... > My family name is GRGURICH - - - very little luck researching their 1917 > immigration (miner in Houghton, Painesdale, Michigan) > How would you think I would find this name spelled. Can't find anything > close to his name. > Philip GRGURICH and Anna GRGURICH (Spoljarich) > both born in Croatia (as per sons 1917 birth certificate in Michigan) > This email you sent about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant prompted me to > ask what you thought. > What spellings should I look for? > Thank you so much in advance for any suggestions, > Kari Bars > > > Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dr., > > We visited his winery several years ago, he is quite the character, very > personable. One of my wife's favorites is his Violetta Wine, named after > his daughter. > > Ah yes that is our late great President, a friend of the Croatian people > and a lover of the only jelly bean to my liking, Jelly Bellys and now I > see he was a fan of my favorite CA winery. Ah, where is Dutch when ya need > him! > > Robert > > "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: > A note about Mike Grgich, a Croatian immigrant. His was the first > non-French > (i.e. California) wine to be used at a State dinner, during the Regan > administration. I've been to his winery and met and spoken to him. He's > about 90 and his lovely daughter runs most of it. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CROATIA-L] ... and with every good meal... > > "I know of no work in English that comes close to equaling the detail or > depth of Piljac's treatment of the wine history of her nation. > Of particular interest to American readers and to wine's recent past is > her > personal involvement in the scientific solution to one of the most > baffling > mysteries of modern viticultural history - that is the discovery of the > probable European origins of California's world famous Zinfandel grape." > -Prof. Charles L. Sullivan > American wine writer and author of Encyclopedia of California Wine History > > http://www.crozinfandel.com/index.htm > > http://www.xlsimports.com/purchase.htm > > And if you want a true Zinfandel, not the pink stuff, Grgich Hills (after > Mike Grgich and an heir to Hills Bros. Coffee) has one of the best IMHO. > > http://www.grgich.com/index.html > > @ivio ! > > Robert > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a > wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a > wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger > Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. > >