The story I heard was that the Croatian mercenaries were fighting with the French in North Africa and they began wearing scarves around their necks that they could pull up to cover their nose and mouth when the sand and dust blew as it almost always did. The French adopted the custom and called them Cravats. Bill Kane

Many years ago, my French instructor told us that the French word for necktie, cravate, was linked to Croatia. The French liked the style of the neck scarves worn by the Croatians. Cravate is the French word for Croatian, therefore the French decided to refer to a necktie as a cravate. Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:12 PM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > And, I found this about Cravat and Croatia.... > cravat Look up cravat at Dictionary.com > 1656, from Fr. cravate, from Cravate "Croatian," from Ger. Krabate, > from Serbo-Croat Hrvat "a Croat," from O.Slav. Churvatinu "Croat," lit. > "mountaineer, highlander," from churva "mountain." Cravats came into > fashion 1650s in imitation of linen scarves worn by Croatian mercenaries > in the French army in the Thirty Years War. > > So, it appears that the origin of the word Croatia comes from the > French. > > Vicki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > > > OK then why do we call Deutchland Germany? > > Robert > > "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! > I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... > as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. > > Vicki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > > Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians > call Germans Nijemac ? > > Robert > > "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: > Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > > http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html > > http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html > > PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 > http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html > > > > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out > about a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/05 > >

.Robert, this article expains nicely the names German, Deutsch etc. http://www.linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/archive-2000.1/msg00585.html Fascinating- at least for me- is the origin of "Nijemac". It comes from Russian: because the Russians could not understand the Germans' speech they called them nijem= dumb. There is a certain (rather twisted) logic there. If you do not understand them it is because they do not know or are able to speak. Isn't this a little how at times the immigrants were approached by some? Tatjana

And, I found this about Cravat and Croatia.... cravat Look up cravat at Dictionary.com 1656, from Fr. cravate, from Cravate "Croatian," from Ger. Krabate, from Serbo-Croat Hrvat "a Croat," from O.Slav. Churvatinu "Croat," lit. "mountaineer, highlander," from churva "mountain." Cravats came into fashion 1650s in imitation of linen scarves worn by Croatian mercenaries in the French army in the Thirty Years War. So, it appears that the origin of the word Croatia comes from the French. Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat OK then why do we call Deutchland Germany? Robert "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> wrote: Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians call Germans Nijemac ? Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Ask and thou shalt receive: A reader recently asked why there are so many different names for Germany. As we mangled some Asian country-names last week it seemed only fair that we kick a European nation around this week. The Germans themselves call their country Deutschland, the French call it Allemagne and the Italian for German is tedesco. Let's deal with Germany first. In ancient times there were no nation states and no national borders. There were tribes, languages and ethnicities, however. So, when the Romans referred to Germania, they meant the region occupied by a tribe called the Germani. If the tribe migrated to fresh pastures then the borders of Germania shifted. During the 16th century English people started applying this name to the place where the Germani used to live. So, why did they call themselves Germani (or something like it)? Opinions vary. Some say that its root meaning is "neighbor" or "relative". That is, they were "neighbors" or "relatives" to the Celts (compare the Old Irish word gair "neighbor"). While we are on the subject of relatives, there is a word germane (often spelled germain but originally spelled german) which means "appropriate" or "relevant". It once meant "brother" or "close relative" and is related to the Spanish hermano "brother". In Middle English, a cousin-german was a "first-cousin". But to return to German, another suggestion is that it derives from the Teutonic word gari "spear", a German being therefore a "spearman". Others suggest it comes from ger-man meaning "head man". Then again, some derive it from ger-man meaning "greedy hand". One begins to suspect that they just don't have a clue. Deutschland is a little easier to understand, it is the land of the Dutch. Yes, that's right, before we started showing off our Classical educations we called all Germans Dutch. This usage survives in the term Pennsylvania Dutch, an American community of German extraction. The word itself comes from the Old High German word diutisc "vulgar" or "vernacular". That is, people who speak a common vernacular tongue rather than Latin. The land of those who spoke diutisc (Dutch, i.e. German) became known as Diutiskland (then later, Deutschland, "Germany"). The Italian word tedesco (German) is merely their version of diutisc. After the ancient Germans migrated and miscegenated themselves into obscurity, their territory was occupied by a tribe calling itself the Allemani. It is from this name that the French take their word for Germany: Allemagne. This name of the macho tribe means just what it looks like, "all men". Hey... if they were all men then that might explain why they died out. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat OK then why do we call Deutchland Germany? Robert "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> wrote: Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians call Germans Nijemac ? Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

And at one time we called people from Holland "Low Dutch" and people from Germany "High Dutch". And the French word Allemange comes from the Allemani, a German tribe living next to France. Robert "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> wrote: Ask and thou shalt receive: A reader recently asked why there are so many different names for Germany. As we mangled some Asian country-names last week it seemed only fair that we kick a European nation around this week. The Germans themselves call their country Deutschland, the French call it Allemagne and the Italian for German is tedesco. Let's deal with Germany first. In ancient times there were no nation states and no national borders. There were tribes, languages and ethnicities, however. So, when the Romans referred to Germania, they meant the region occupied by a tribe called the Germani. If the tribe migrated to fresh pastures then the borders of Germania shifted. During the 16th century English people started applying this name to the place where the Germani used to live. So, why did they call themselves Germani (or something like it)? Opinions vary. Some say that its root meaning is "neighbor" or "relative". That is, they were "neighbors" or "relatives" to the Celts (compare the Old Irish word gair "neighbor"). While we are on the subject of relatives, there is a word germane (often spelled germain but originally spelled german) which means "appropriate" or "relevant". It once meant "brother" or "close relative" and is related to the Spanish hermano "brother". In Middle English, a cousin-german was a "first-cousin". But to return to German, another suggestion is that it derives from the Teutonic word gari "spear", a German being therefore a "spearman". Others suggest it comes from ger-man meaning "head man". Then again, some derive it from ger-man meaning "greedy hand". One begins to suspect that they just don't have a clue. Deutschland is a little easier to understand, it is the land of the Dutch. Yes, that's right, before we started showing off our Classical educations we called all Germans Dutch. This usage survives in the term Pennsylvania Dutch, an American community of German extraction. The word itself comes from the Old High German word diutisc "vulgar" or "vernacular". That is, people who speak a common vernacular tongue rather than Latin. The land of those who spoke diutisc (Dutch, i.e. German) became known as Diutiskland (then later, Deutschland, "Germany"). The Italian word tedesco (German) is merely their version of diutisc. After the ancient Germans migrated and miscegenated themselves into obscurity, their territory was occupied by a tribe calling itself the Allemani. It is from this name that the French take their word for Germany: Allemagne. This name of the macho tribe means just what it looks like, "all men". Hey... if they were all men then that might explain why they died out. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat OK then why do we call Deutchland Germany? Robert "Sauter, Vicki L." wrote: Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians call Germans Nijemac ? Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Andy, this is the pronunciation: Try to say Hrvat and then Croat and you will see the connection. Also in some part of Croatia f.i. Christ is Hrist. In Zagorje it is Hristus^ As you see Cr (or Chr) in foreign languages (Geman is Kroaten for Hrvati) and Hr (in Croatian) are equivalent. Tatjana

Hi Tatjana, Yes it is interesting. Actually I always use the term nijem or mute to explain the origin of Nijemac. According to the web page below the root simply means... that they could not understand them. http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/german-faq/part2.html Robert [email protected] wrote: .Robert, this article expains nicely the names German, Deutsch etc. http://www.linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/archive-2000.1/msg00585.html Fascinating- at least for me- is the origin of "Nijemac". It comes from Russian: because the Russians could not understand the Germans' speech they called them nijem= dumb. There is a certain (rather twisted) logic there. If you do not understand them it is because they do not know or are able to speak. Isn't this a little how at times the immigrants were approached by some? Tatjana Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

OK then why do we call Deutchland Germany? Robert "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> wrote: Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians call Germans Nijemac ? Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians call Germans Nijemac ? Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> wrote: Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Robert, my family always told me that and Detroit had a St. Jerome's Croatian Catholic Church and Chicago has a St. Jerome's Croatian Catholic Church. My parents were married at the St. Jerome's in Detroit and Victor Stefanac was a priest there in the late 50's or early 60's. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Late Pope John Paul's mother was a "White Croatian" > Interesting... I have never heard this before! > > Here is a web page that lists the 3 Croatian Saints and other Blessed > ones: > > http://www.pope.hr/katolicka_crkva_u_hrvatskoj_sveci.html > > Robert > > Jerome Buza <[email protected]> wrote: > Remember that St. Jerome was a great writer and considered to be Croatian! > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Jerin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:39 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Late Pope John Paul's mother was a "White Croatian" > > >> Before present day Croatia the Croats founded a Kingdom called White >> Croatia, in the region of today's Krakow Poland and Czech Republic. >> >> Here is an article claiming the Pope's mother's ethnicity was White >> Croatian. >> >> http://www.kessler-web.co.uk/History/FeaturesEurope/EasternCroatiaName.htm >> >> About White Croatia >> >> http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html#white >> >> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04510a.htm >> >> Robert >> >> >> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about >> a wonderful tour of Croatia! >> >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 >> >> > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 > >

Interesting... I have never heard this before! Here is a web page that lists the 3 Croatian Saints and other Blessed ones: http://www.pope.hr/katolicka_crkva_u_hrvatskoj_sveci.html Robert Jerome Buza <[email protected]> wrote: Remember that St. Jerome was a great writer and considered to be Croatian! Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Late Pope John Paul's mother was a "White Croatian" > Before present day Croatia the Croats founded a Kingdom called White > Croatia, in the region of today's Krakow Poland and Czech Republic. > > Here is an article claiming the Pope's mother's ethnicity was White > Croatian. > > http://www.kessler-web.co.uk/History/FeaturesEurope/EasternCroatiaName.htm > > About White Croatia > > http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html#white > > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04510a.htm > > Robert > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Remember that St. Jerome was a great writer and considered to be Croatian! Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Late Pope John Paul's mother was a "White Croatian" > Before present day Croatia the Croats founded a Kingdom called White > Croatia, in the region of today's Krakow Poland and Czech Republic. > > Here is an article claiming the Pope's mother's ethnicity was White > Croatian. > > http://www.kessler-web.co.uk/History/FeaturesEurope/EasternCroatiaName.htm > > About White Croatia > > http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html#white > > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04510a.htm > > Robert > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 > >

Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians call Germans Nijemac ? Robert "Dr. Andrew Nixon" <[email protected]> wrote: Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Ah but that would not be the first Pope from Croatia, that would be SIXTUS V 1585-1590 http://www.croatians.com/pope.htm Robert Kathy Chick <[email protected]> wrote: I would love to see a Croatian become Pope......Kathy Robert Jerin wrote:Before present day Croatia the Croats founded a Kingdom called White Croatia, in the region of today's Krakow Poland and Czech Republic. Here is an article claiming the Pope's mother's ethnicity was White Croatian. http://www.kessler-web.co.uk/History/FeaturesEurope/EasternCroatiaName.htm About White Croatia http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html#white http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04510a.htm Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

I would love to see a Croatian become Pope......Kathy Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote:Before present day Croatia the Croats founded a Kingdom called White Croatia, in the region of today's Krakow Poland and Czech Republic. Here is an article claiming the Pope's mother's ethnicity was White Croatian. http://www.kessler-web.co.uk/History/FeaturesEurope/EasternCroatiaName.htm About White Croatia http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html#white http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04510a.htm Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html

http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html

Dear Silvije Grubisic wrote, among other things: Od pradomovine do domovine: hrvatska pripovijest: od 520. godine prije Krista de 1976. poslije Krista. Chicago, 1979. Perhaps "Postanak imena Hrvat" is the name of a chapter in that book. Joza Vrljicak Studia Croatica ----- Original Message ----- From: Joza Vrljicak To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat Dear People I think that the author is (was) Fra Silvije (Silvestar) Grubisic, who died in 1985 in Chicago. I thing that "Postanak imena Hrvat" is not a book, but rather an article, a journal article. Regards Joza Vrljicak Studia Croatica ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Jerin To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat Ashley, I believe the name is Silvija GRUBISIC, who translates from Croatian into English. However I find nothing about a book by that title. Robert ashley tiwara <[email protected]> wrote: I've been out of town and came home to only 200 pieces of mail, among them the query below, about which I know nothing. Does anyone on this list know of the author or her book? Ashley ************************************ My name is Miroslav Grubelic, and I am helping my uncle to find information for his research in Croatian History. My Uncle, Ivan Adamovic, lives in Madrid, Spain. He is interested in finding this book : POSTANAK IMENA HRVAT , written by Silvie Grubisic. We wander if this person is related to you and your family. I will appreciate your help in this matter. Regards, Miroslav Grubelic Caracas, Venezuela Telfax 58 212 242 3875 Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Dear People I think that the author is (was) Fra Silvije (Silvestar) Grubisic, who died in 1985 in Chicago. I thing that "Postanak imena Hrvat" is not a book, but rather an article, a journal article. Regards Joza Vrljicak Studia Croatica ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Jerin To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat Ashley, I believe the name is Silvija GRUBISIC, who translates from Croatian into English. However I find nothing about a book by that title. Robert ashley tiwara <[email protected]> wrote: I've been out of town and came home to only 200 pieces of mail, among them the query below, about which I know nothing. Does anyone on this list know of the author or her book? Ashley ************************************ My name is Miroslav Grubelic, and I am helping my uncle to find information for his research in Croatian History. My Uncle, Ivan Adamovic, lives in Madrid, Spain. He is interested in finding this book : POSTANAK IMENA HRVAT , written by Silvie Grubisic. We wander if this person is related to you and your family. I will appreciate your help in this matter. Regards, Miroslav Grubelic Caracas, Venezuela Telfax 58 212 242 3875 Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/