Hi Robert, Thanks so much for the information! There are lots more BASIC arrivals into Ellis Island, and in transcription, as well as on the original manifest, the spelling of Konjsko Brdo is horribly wrong. If you do a search on just the surname BASIC, just scroll through several pages, and you're bound to recognize what should have read Konjsko Brdo for the town. I'm giving thought to trying to transcribe all of the KB entries in Ellis Island, which would mean looking at each page of every manifest. It would be a ton of work, but I think some wonderful connections could be made as a result of the effort. I'm preparing to move in a couple of months, so it will be a bit before I can do it, but I'm seriously considering taking on a project like that. THanks again for the info, I will use the links to see if I can find a connection to anyone. Lori -- Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote: In all there appear to be 10 BASIC arr at Ellis Is listing Konjsko Brdo (Horse Hill) inc one mistranscribed as Alois BASIR, but the manifest shows his name is Alois BASIC. Additionally the largest number went to Duluth and Virginia Mn with one going to Globe AZ (where Croatians were employed as miners) and Farmington W VA. Also there are perhaps over 12 listed as BASIE, many of whom are actually BASIC. a few mistranscribed as BASIO and another mistranscribed as BASIZ. The very best way to search Ellis Is is using Dr Morse One Step web page, which even allows you to use his Short Gray Form to search for anyone arriving from a town, regardless of name! http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html Minnesota Death Cert. records online list 1 BASIC and 4 Americanized BASICH http://people.mnhs.org/dci/ Illinois Deat records online list 22 BASIC and BASICH from 1916-1950 and 2 BASIC prior to 1916 http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/databases.html Robert Jerin Lori <[email protected]> wrote: Hello! I've been doing an extensive looking over of the Ellis Island passenger lists today, and have noticed many BASIC surnames from Konjsko Brdo listing their destination as Chicago. My grandfathers family settled in New York, but some names have cropped up on the Chicago destinations that I'd like to research further. Does anyone have any information on the Chicago BASIC family? If so, I'd love to exchange work and see if there's a connection. Thanks, Lori Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Thanks Robert, looking forward to traveling with you in October. Linda

Does anyone know if Missouri and Iowa have archives database online like the one mentioned in Roberts reply? Linda

Hello! I've been doing an extensive looking over of the Ellis Island passenger lists today, and have noticed many BASIC surnames from Konjsko Brdo listing their destination as Chicago. My grandfathers family settled in New York, but some names have cropped up on the Chicago destinations that I'd like to research further. Does anyone have any information on the Chicago BASIC family? If so, I'd love to exchange work and see if there's a connection. Thanks, Lori

Here is a link to a web page that gives links for every state, however I don't know if there are any as good as IL, MN or OH http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/deathrecords.html Robert Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

In all there appear to be 10 BASIC arr at Ellis Is listing Konjsko Brdo (Horse Hill) inc one mistranscribed as Alois BASIR, but the manifest shows his name is Alois BASIC. Additionally the largest number went to Duluth and Virginia Mn with one going to Globe AZ (where Croatians were employed as miners) and Farmington W VA. Also there are perhaps over 12 listed as BASIE, many of whom are actually BASIC. a few mistranscribed as BASIO and another mistranscribed as BASIZ. The very best way to search Ellis Is is using Dr Morse One Step web page, which even allows you to use his Short Gray Form to search for anyone arriving from a town, regardless of name! http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html Minnesota Death Cert. records online list 1 BASIC and 4 Americanized BASICH http://people.mnhs.org/dci/ Illinois Deat records online list 22 BASIC and BASICH from 1916-1950 and 2 BASIC prior to 1916 http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/databases.html Robert Jerin Lori <[email protected]> wrote: Hello! I've been doing an extensive looking over of the Ellis Island passenger lists today, and have noticed many BASIC surnames from Konjsko Brdo listing their destination as Chicago. My grandfathers family settled in New York, but some names have cropped up on the Chicago destinations that I'd like to research further. Does anyone have any information on the Chicago BASIC family? If so, I'd love to exchange work and see if there's a connection. Thanks, Lori Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Linda, I think there is a probability. I could not find them at EI records. The immigration is between 1896 (birth of Anthony in Croatia) and 1903 (birth of Frances in Illinois). You can obtain Joseph death certificate for $17-. This may give you more information: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/w2w/illinois.htm I have his year of birth and immigration from the USCensus. Those are niot very reliable in this respect. Tatjana

Hi Folks, Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of Croatian descent? (For genealogical purposes) Thanks, Lori

Fuzine has 3 POLIC and 31 KAUZLARIC tel subscribers. Tatjana

Benkovac is adjacent to Fuzine and it has no parish of its own. It belongs to Fuzine parish. The map: http://www.tportal.hr/imenik/map.dll/image?l=4&x=2358095&y=5018977&cx=2358095& cy=5018977&w=640&h=410 At the last census (2001) Benkovac had only 44 inhabitants but currently it has 2 POLIC and 1 KAUZLARIC tel listed. Tatjana

Tat, Thanks for the info, but I'm not sure we have the correct Joseph. I have him in Benkovac born March 1, 1861 to Fransciscus Bubanj and Marija Polic. Do you still think this is the same person? Linda

Linda, Joseph was born c1864. He married in Fuzine Apolonia Paulina RACKI (b.1866). Joseph and Apolonia came in 1900 with Joseph 6y and Anthony 4y. USCensus 1920 has them in Toluca with their 6 children. They own their home. In 1930 Joseph is still in Toluca but he is widowed. Apolonia died in Toluca 3.22.1921. Joseph died in Toluca 7.10.1945. Apolonia's sister Josipa was married in Fuzine 1907 to Milan PADAVIC. They also lived in Toluca where they raised their children: 5 sons and 2 daughters: Anne KNEPPER and Mary Elisabeth. I have more information on these families and on connection of Apolonia and Josipa with the Croatian historian and founder of the Croatian Academy of Art and Science dr Franjo RACKI. Tatjana

Linda, "The root of this surname is derived from the very old military term bubanj and of which the verb bubati (to pummel, pound, knock, beat, strike hard, smash) is derived." Robert [email protected] wrote: Hi all, I am looking for information on a Joseph Bubanj that would have come to the US from either Benkovac or Fuzine prior to 1900. In 1900 his brother Anton came to him at Toluca, Ill., but I am not finding Joseph anywhere. Anyone have any information on this person? Thanks, Linda Blaze Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Hi all, I am looking for information on a Joseph Bubanj that would have come to the US from either Benkovac or Fuzine prior to 1900. In 1900 his brother Anton came to him at Toluca, Ill., but I am not finding Joseph anywhere. Anyone have any information on this person? Thanks, Linda Blaze

I am behind the times then.--Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Erbes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > Oddly enough, it was already a question on Jeopardy. > > > On Apr 14, 2005, at 12:34 AM, Joy Durrett wrote: > >> What I learn on this website. Thanks. A new bit of Trivia that no one >> else knows. Now for it to be on Jeopardy so I will know the answer. >> Maybe the only question I know the answer to. lol >> Joy >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sauter, Vicki L." >> <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:12 PM >> Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >> >> >>> And, I found this about Cravat and Croatia.... >>> cravat Look up cravat at Dictionary.com >>> 1656, from Fr. cravate, from Cravate "Croatian," from Ger. Krabate, >>> from Serbo-Croat Hrvat "a Croat," from O.Slav. Churvatinu "Croat," >>> lit. >>> "mountaineer, highlander," from churva "mountain." Cravats came into >>> fashion 1650s in imitation of linen scarves worn by Croatian >>> mercenaries >>> in the French army in the Thirty Years War. >>> >>> So, it appears that the origin of the word Croatia comes from the >>> French. >>> >>> Vicki >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:39 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >>> >>> >>> OK then why do we call Deutchland Germany? >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! >>> I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... >>> as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. >>> >>> Vicki >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >>> >>> Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians >>> call Germans Nijemac ? >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: >>> Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >>> >>> http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html >>> >>> http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html >>> >>> PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 >>> http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out >>> about >>> a wonderful tour of Croatia! >>> >>> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out >>> about a wonderful tour of Croatia! >>> >>> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >>> >> >

Oddly enough, it was already a question on Jeopardy. On Apr 14, 2005, at 12:34 AM, Joy Durrett wrote: > What I learn on this website. Thanks. A new bit of Trivia that no one > else knows. Now for it to be on Jeopardy so I will know the answer. > Maybe the only question I know the answer to. lol > Joy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sauter, Vicki L." > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:12 PM > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > > >> And, I found this about Cravat and Croatia.... >> cravat Look up cravat at Dictionary.com >> 1656, from Fr. cravate, from Cravate "Croatian," from Ger. Krabate, >> from Serbo-Croat Hrvat "a Croat," from O.Slav. Churvatinu "Croat," >> lit. >> "mountaineer, highlander," from churva "mountain." Cravats came into >> fashion 1650s in imitation of linen scarves worn by Croatian >> mercenaries >> in the French army in the Thirty Years War. >> >> So, it appears that the origin of the word Croatia comes from the >> French. >> >> Vicki >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:39 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >> >> >> OK then why do we call Deutchland Germany? >> >> Robert >> >> "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! >> I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... >> as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. >> >> Vicki >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >> >> Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians >> call Germans Nijemac ? >> >> Robert >> >> "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: >> Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >> >> http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html >> >> http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html >> >> PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 >> http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out >> about >> a wonderful tour of Croatia! >> >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >> >> >> >> >> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out >> about a wonderful tour of Croatia! >> >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >> >

Yes and Mr Trebek pronounced Split as shplit! But was glad to see recognition of Croatia. Robert Margaret Erbes <[email protected]> wrote: Oddly enough, it was already a question on Jeopardy. On Apr 14, 2005, at 12:34 AM, Joy Durrett wrote: > What I learn on this website. Thanks. A new bit of Trivia that no one > else knows. Now for it to be on Jeopardy so I will know the answer. > Maybe the only question I know the answer to. lol > Joy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sauter, Vicki L." > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:12 PM > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > > >> And, I found this about Cravat and Croatia.... >> cravat Look up cravat at Dictionary.com >> 1656, from Fr. cravate, from Cravate "Croatian," from Ger. Krabate, >> from Serbo-Croat Hrvat "a Croat," from O.Slav. Churvatinu "Croat," >> lit. >> "mountaineer, highlander," from churva "mountain." Cravats came into >> fashion 1650s in imitation of linen scarves worn by Croatian >> mercenaries >> in the French army in the Thirty Years War. >> >> So, it appears that the origin of the word Croatia comes from the >> French. >> >> Vicki >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:39 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >> >> >> OK then why do we call Deutchland Germany? >> >> Robert >> >> "Sauter, Vicki L." wrote: >> Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! >> I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... >> as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. >> >> Vicki >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >> >> Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians >> call Germans Nijemac ? >> >> Robert >> >> "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: >> Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat >> >> http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html >> >> http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html >> >> PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 >> http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out >> about >> a wonderful tour of Croatia! >> >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >> >> >> >> >> Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out >> about a wonderful tour of Croatia! >> >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >> > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Bill, The cravat pre-dates French colonies in Africa, back to around 1630. Croatians fought in the thirty years war 1618-1648 and that is when stories claim the term came into being. http://www.academia-cravatica.hr/en/necktie_history.html And the reputation of the Croatians in that war was such that mothers in parts of German would threaten mis-behaving children with calling for the Croatians! A few cities that were laid waste by Croatian soldiers in that war were Kaiserslautern, Hayna, Lauf Robert Robert William F Kane <[email protected]> wrote: The story I heard was that the Croatian mercenaries were fighting with the French in North Africa and they began wearing scarves around their necks that they could pull up to cover their nose and mouth when the sand and dust blew as it almost always did. The French adopted the custom and called them Cravats. Bill Kane Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Vicki, it is the other way around. Croatia is Latin for Hrvatska and it was used way back at least at the beginning of Middle Ages. Dante is using it. Larousse has:"la cravate" from "Croate". This piece, unfortunately not translated from French, gives the connection of Croat and Hrvat and the use of letter H and K in different languages. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jf.gateau/linguist/linguist.htm History of the tie: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.amb-croatie.fr/ croatie/saviez-vous.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dla%2Bcravate%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den %26lr%3D%26sa%3DN Tatjana

What I learn on this website. Thanks. A new bit of Trivia that no one else knows. Now for it to be on Jeopardy so I will know the answer. Maybe the only question I know the answer to. lol Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:12 PM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > And, I found this about Cravat and Croatia.... > cravat Look up cravat at Dictionary.com > 1656, from Fr. cravate, from Cravate "Croatian," from Ger. Krabate, > from Serbo-Croat Hrvat "a Croat," from O.Slav. Churvatinu "Croat," lit. > "mountaineer, highlander," from churva "mountain." Cravats came into > fashion 1650s in imitation of linen scarves worn by Croatian mercenaries > in the French army in the Thirty Years War. > > So, it appears that the origin of the word Croatia comes from the > French. > > Vicki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > > > OK then why do we call Deutchland Germany? > > Robert > > "Sauter, Vicki L." <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah, because Germany is Deutchland! > I think Croatia got corrupted because of our translation of Cravat ... > as I recall that is the origin of Hrvatska-Croatia change. > > Vicki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > > Well why do we call the Deutsch .... Germans! Or why to the Croatians > call Germans Nijemac ? > > Robert > > "Dr. Andrew Nixon" wrote: > Ok, you scholars, how did the word Hrvat become Croatian? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Postanak imena Hrvat > > http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/custody3.html > > http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/hrv/custody3b.html > > PRIPOVJEST O BIBLIJI - Drugo izdanje Str:189 > http://www.personal.kent.edu/~knamjesn/knjizara/i.html > > > > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out > about a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > >