Not enough to understand each other. I was told that Slovak is instead quite close. Tatjana

so, let me see if i understand. someone from slovenia in the late 1800's(which was part of the austro-hungarian empire) would have spoken serbo-croatian? or slovenian? thank you, amy [email protected] wrote: In my observation the immigrants living in proximity adjusted their way of speaking. In addition they used many English words and expressions while speaking. In their original countries however there was no adjustement and no English language words to use. While in Europe I could not converse in Polish or Croatian with the Poles. The second language learned was French and this one was used at international gatherings or travel. Until not long ago the Slovenes learned what was called "Serbo- Croatian" and this we used in our conversations when they came to Croatia or we visited their land. Tatjana

We grew up next to Polish neighbors and when my grandparents would come visit, the languages were close enough that they could converse. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] slovenian and croatian Not enough to understand each other. I was told that Slovak is instead quite close. Tatjana ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit www.messagelabs.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit www.messagelabs.com. ________________________________________________________________________

List Slavic can be a branch of the Indo-European family of languages, usually divided into East Slavic, West Slavic, and South Slavic. East Slavic (Russian, Ukrainian, Byelorussian) West Slavic (Polish, Czech, Slovak, Sorbian) South Slavic (Croatian, Serbian, Slovenian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Old Church Slavonic) Slovak is similar to Czech and the official language of Slovakia. Ako sa maté ? (How are you ?) Rozumiem. (I understand ) Slovene is similar to Croatian and the official language of the Republic of Slovenia , formerly part of Yugoslavia. Kako se imate ? (How are you ?) Razumen. (I understand ) Croatian Kako ste ? Razumijem Serbian K A K O C T E ? (Cyrillic) (k ah k o s t eh) p a 3 y m e m (r a z u m e m) Polish Jak sie masz ? Rozumiem However let me give you a practical example. During the Big War (2) my American military unit stopped a freight train filled with Polish DPs in Germany. I tried Slovak because they seemed to speak only Polish but it didn't work. Finally we ended up conversing in German. Frank K

The Southern California Genealogical Society latest journal "The Searcher" has an article on DNA testing. They have teamed up with the Family tree DNA. For more information read the article or go to www.familytreedna.com or contact them at [email protected] or 713 868-1338 Bill Kane

There was a news article in the Phoenix paper on the National Geo. DNA project. This project will not find or confirm your ancestors. They are rather looking to find where groups of people came from. In other words the migratory patterns of people in the world. The testing is done at the Arizona Research Laboratories at the U. of Arizona. Mike Cusanovich, director of the Lab had his DNA tested. Evidently Mike has not done any genealogy research on his family and knows little of Croatian History. here is what he said of his test: "My ancestors came to America from Croatia in the 1850s and have a long-standing Catholic heritage." But the results of his DNA analysis show that the Cusanoviches originally were Levites or Jews (evidently from the middle east) "They must have been converted during the Crusades," he said. This kind of helps to confirm that the Croatians may have originally come from the middle east someplace. More Croatian testing might confirm or debunk that theory. Bill Kane

hi! i was wondering how similar these two languages are? thanks, amy

another article found in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette regarding DNA and genealogy http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05039/454179.stm nharamija <[email protected]> wrote: Lori; You NEED a male for the "Y " test, a man Has the "X" from his Mother only and does not pass that on. I am searching for a test myself, as I am 75 and don't plan on too far in advance. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori" To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing Robert, I found your post interesting. I'm here in Colorado also, so I'm curious as to where your friend had his testing done? (of course, the kit is a possibility as well) My grandfather from Konjsko Brdo had skin much darker than my grandmother from Stefanci. My grandfather fathered 3 daughters, so I don't know how the DNA testing would work, or if results on his DNA could come out of one of the daughters. Lori -- Robert Jerin wrote: I have a friend in Colorado who is of Croatian and Slovene heritage. He had DNA testing done a year or so ago, and here is what he found. His Croatian side is darker skined, while his Slovene side is fairer skined. DNA testing said his Slovene side had roots in the middle east. His Croatian side had roots in.... Scandanavia. Interesting results. I will ask him for his input since he is one of the few people whom I know who has had DNA testing done. Robert Kurt McCrary wrote: Hi Nick, Yes, I did see that Sounds interesting. Here is another site as well. 100.oo bucks sounds a little easier than 200.00 bucks. Though on the following website his main Stream is PA-Dutch I thought it was interesting reading the coments and comparing prices. Best Regards Kurt http://www.kerchner.com/pa-gerdna.htm nharamija wrote: Kurt; That is a fine undertaking, but you have to read this very closely. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. This does not as a genealogy data base help finding your ancestors. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing Hello Lori, This was just in the paper last week, thought it might help. best regards kurt Gene Project Aims to Trace Human Migration Wed Apr 13, 8:20 AM ET Science - AP By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Researchers are aiming to learn more about how the Earth was populated by collecting and analyzing genetic samples from 100,000 people around the globe. The five-year Genographic Project, being announced Wednesday, will use sophisticated laboratory and computer analysis of DNA to figure out the patterns in which people moved from one part of the world to another. It is sponsored by the National Geographic Society and IBM. "We're trying to figure out where we came from. It's a very simple human question," said Spencer Wells, the project's director and a population geneticist known for groundbreaking work in this field. Researchers plan to collect blood samples from 10,000 indigenous people - those whose ancestors inhabited a land before Europeans or other outsiders arrived - at each of 10 sites around the world. Because indigenous people trace their ancestors back to the same land over considerable time, their DNA contains "key genetic markers that have remained relatively unaltered over hundreds of generations," project scientists said. That makes their genetics reliable indicators of ancient migratory patterns. Most of the work that's been done so far has been based on genetic data from about 10,000 people, Wells said. That has helped establish that people came from Africa within the last 60,000 years, but little is known about what migratory routes they followed off that continent or what happened over the last 10,000 years, he said. Genetic fingerprints help establish the patterns, enabling scientists to trace variations in genes to their origins, he said. For instance, scientists are not sure how the Americas were first populated, said Ajay Royyuru, the lead scientist for IBM. The first people may have come from Siberia and eastern Asia, or they may have been Europeans migrating over a frozen north Atlantic, he said. "The goal of the project is to learn the journey that our ancestors traveled and hopefully answer the question of who we are and how we happened to be where we are," he said. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. Wells said he is not concerned that the database might be skewed with samples from people who can afford to pay nearly $100 to participate, saying even nonrandom data will help scientists understand migration patterns. Part of the proceeds will help fund the Genographic Legacy Project, which will support education and cultural preservation efforts among participating indigenous groups. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The $40 million is being funded in part by the Waitt Family Foundation. ___ On the Net: The Genographic Project: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic lori wrote: Hi Folks, Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of Croatian descent? (For genealogical purposes) Thanks, Lori --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

I've contacted my friend in Denver, who went through DNA testing, and he said that his Croatian lineage is pointing to Danish or Gemanic roots. His family is from Mrkopalj. Now as Tatjana has mentioned on this list, that part of Croatia (Gorski Kotar) was populated by people from outside Croatia after the liberating of the area from the Ottoman Turks. The Zrinskis brought in people from the north and west, places such as Tyrol and Moravia. Another group arriving in the early 1800s would have been the soldiers and administrators brought in under Napoleon. It is interesting that my friend's Slovene side is indicating roots from the middle east, which of course would bear out the largely unrecorded history of migration from ancient Persia, to the area north of the Black Sea, then into what is now South Poland and Czech Republic and finally into the region of Croatia and Slovenia. Robert ashley tiwara <[email protected]> wrote: Interesting coincidence that a friend wrote me today forwarding this article he was just sent by his brother concerning DNA testing being offered by the National Genographic. Ashley ********************************************* . The initial five pages were clipped from the April 17, 2005 Altanta Journal-Constitution Section 5 starting on page one of that Section and ending with a two page printout from the National Genographic (a division of the National Geographic Society). One of our friends in Fairfield either used this service or another one to trace back their roots to Africa. The whole concept of using DNA to trace your ancestry is interesting to genealogists and the medical field. I suspect that someday some of this information will be used to determine whether you have a predisposition to certain types of diseases, and may be this is already being done. I regret that the portion taken from the Atlanta paper is spread out over so many pages and there may be lapses or repeated parts, but the size of the paper made it difficult to copy this article easily. Best wishes, Bill M http://www.ajc.com/hp/content/auto/epaper/editions/sunday/news_242670e9a29b3143006b.html The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Sunday, April 17, 2005 ------------------------------------ Way past the family tree Science: National Geographic project hopes to trace genomes to beginning of species. BY MIKE TONER [email protected] The National Geographic Society has begun what may be the ultimate search for human roots. For $99.95 and a swab of spit, anyone can join in and get a whole new perspective on the family tree. The society last week launched a five-year project to seek the origins of the human species and map the migration of ancient peoples out of Africa as they populated the globe. The $40 million Genographic Project will collect blood samples from 100,000 indigenous peoples throughout the world, analyze them for genetic markers and try to determine their geographic origins. "Our DNA tells a fascinating story of the human journey, how we are all related and how our ancestors got to where we are today," says population geneticist Spencer Wells, who will head the project. To generate public interest, Geographic also is offering a test kit that will allow anyone to take a swab of saliva and send it to a laboratory for DNA analysis. For assisting in the project's finances, participants will get a "personalized genetic analysis," a peek at their "deep ancestral history" --- and assurances of total privacy. The kits can be ordered at www3.nationalgeographic .com/genographic. Individual test results are expected to take about six weeks. Lest anyone be seeking proof that their ancestors came over on the Mayflower, National Geographic cautions that the test will "not provide names for your personal family tree or tell you where your great-grandparents lived." The society does promise, however, that everyone will get a genetic profile that will tell them something about their "deep ancestors." Really deep. Most fossil evidence suggests that modern humans appeared in Africa between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago and began migrating to other continents about 60,000 years ago. Some scientists say there was a single migration; some say more. Asia, Europe and Australia were the next to be populated. The Americas were the last. If scientists are right, all 6 billion people living on the planet today have ancestors who lived in Africa a long time ago. That concept has prompted some scientists to suggest that an African "Adam and Eve" --- or at least a small group of genetically similar hunter-gatherers --- lie at the base of what is now a many-branched human family tree. "We have some indications from prior studies about the migration of people in the last 50,000 to 10,000 years," says Ajay Royyuru of IBM's Computational Biology Center, which is collaborating on the project. "What's missing is the detail, the ability for everyone on the planet to be able to see, understand, exactly how they got to be where they are." Ten research centers around the world will receive funding from the Waitt Family Foundation --- founded by Gateway computer magnate Ted Waitt --- to collect and analyze the DNA samples. Each individual, from hair color to susceptibility to certain diseases, is the result of the unique combination of their parents' genetic code. But some genetic material, the male Y chromosome and maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA, is passed to the succeeding generations essentially unchanged, except for rare natural mutations that enable researchers to identify lineages extending back for thousands of years. "Once a particular marker appears by mutation in a man, all of his descendants will also carry that marker," Wells says. "If we compile information on a large set of markers and project them back in time using computer algorithms, the trail of mutations coalesces in a single Y-chromosome whose owner lived between 40,000 to 140,000 years ago in Africa." Because that mutation, named M94, is now carried by every man on the planet, Wells likes to call this man "Genetic Adam." But even he concedes the term may be misleading. He says there were certainly other humans living at the same time. Their lineages simply didn't make it to the present. DNA road maps Subsequent random mutations define later branches of the human family tree: lineages that crept out of Africa into Mesopotamia, some that headed east to Asia, and others that moved north, with the advent of agriculture, into the Caucasus and Europe. American Indians still carry marker mutations that first occurred among the natives of Siberia, and their genetic fingerprints came with them when their ancestors crossed the Bering Strait more than 12,000 years ago. Wells says the dozens of other random mutations that have accumulated in the DNA of contemporary humans --- in addition to Genetic Adam's M94 mutation --- constitute a kind of genetic fingerprint that can reveal whether their distant ancestors passed through the Middle East or the land bridge from Siberia or crossed the ocean from Europe to America. Initial efforts to use DNA to track human migrations, a project headed a few years ago by Stanford University population geneticist Luca Cavalli-Sforza, sampled the DNA from 52 indigenous groups and found five clusters of lineages that closely matched their ancestors' continent of origin. With a goal of collecting more than 100,000 DNA samples representing every indigenous group on the planet, the National Geographic effort hopes to paint a much more detailed picture of human migration. The society also hopes to avoid the political fuss that, more than a decade ago, prompted the federal government to withdraw support for a similar project that was intended to study the human genome. Urgency to project Unlike the federally funded effort, which was criticized for overtones of racism in looking for genetic differences among populations, National Geographic will not gather any information on genetic diseases and will make all of its anthropological data freely available. Wells says he feels a sense of urgency in the project. He says as political upheavals, environmental disruption and air travel prompt more people to move, the world is becoming less genetically diverse. Indigenous populations in particular are under pressure. [ "We need to take a genetic snapshot of who we are as a species before the geographic and cultural context are lost in the melting pot," he says. ======================================================== http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/journey.html Did you ever wonder about your most ancient ancestors? The Genographic Project will introduce you to them, and explain the genetic journeys that bond your personal lineage over tens of thousands of years. etc. Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Interesting coincidence that a friend wrote me today forwarding this article he was just sent by his brother concerning DNA testing being offered by the National Genographic. Ashley ********************************************* . The initial five pages were clipped from the April 17, 2005 Altanta Journal-Constitution Section 5 starting on page one of that Section and ending with a two page printout from the National Genographic (a division of the National Geographic Society). One of our friends in Fairfield either used this service or another one to trace back their roots to Africa. The whole concept of using DNA to trace your ancestry is interesting to genealogists and the medical field. I suspect that someday some of this information will be used to determine whether you have a predisposition to certain types of diseases, and may be this is already being done. I regret that the portion taken from the Atlanta paper is spread out over so many pages and there may be lapses or repeated parts, but the size of the paper made it difficult to copy this article easily. Best wishes, Bill M http://www.ajc.com/hp/content/auto/epaper/editions/sunday/news_242670e9a29b3143006b.html The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Sunday, April 17, 2005 ------------------------------------ Way past the family tree Science: National Geographic project hopes to trace genomes to beginning of species. BY MIKE TONER [email protected] The National Geographic Society has begun what may be the ultimate search for human roots. For $99.95 and a swab of spit, anyone can join in and get a whole new perspective on the family tree. The society last week launched a five-year project to seek the origins of the human species and map the migration of ancient peoples out of Africa as they populated the globe. The $40 million Genographic Project will collect blood samples from 100,000 indigenous peoples throughout the world, analyze them for genetic markers and try to determine their geographic origins. "Our DNA tells a fascinating story of the human journey, how we are all related and how our ancestors got to where we are today," says population geneticist Spencer Wells, who will head the project. To generate public interest, Geographic also is offering a test kit that will allow anyone to take a swab of saliva and send it to a laboratory for DNA analysis. For assisting in the project's finances, participants will get a "personalized genetic analysis," a peek at their "deep ancestral history" --- and assurances of total privacy. The kits can be ordered at www3.nationalgeographic .com/genographic. Individual test results are expected to take about six weeks. Lest anyone be seeking proof that their ancestors came over on the Mayflower, National Geographic cautions that the test will "not provide names for your personal family tree or tell you where your great-grandparents lived." The society does promise, however, that everyone will get a genetic profile that will tell them something about their "deep ancestors." Really deep. Most fossil evidence suggests that modern humans appeared in Africa between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago and began migrating to other continents about 60,000 years ago. Some scientists say there was a single migration; some say more. Asia, Europe and Australia were the next to be populated. The Americas were the last. If scientists are right, all 6 billion people living on the planet today have ancestors who lived in Africa a long time ago. That concept has prompted some scientists to suggest that an African "Adam and Eve" --- or at least a small group of genetically similar hunter-gatherers --- lie at the base of what is now a many-branched human family tree. "We have some indications from prior studies about the migration of people in the last 50,000 to 10,000 years," says Ajay Royyuru of IBM's Computational Biology Center, which is collaborating on the project. "What's missing is the detail, the ability for everyone on the planet to be able to see, understand, exactly how they got to be where they are." Ten research centers around the world will receive funding from the Waitt Family Foundation --- founded by Gateway computer magnate Ted Waitt --- to collect and analyze the DNA samples. Each individual, from hair color to susceptibility to certain diseases, is the result of the unique combination of their parents' genetic code. But some genetic material, the male Y chromosome and maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA, is passed to the succeeding generations essentially unchanged, except for rare natural mutations that enable researchers to identify lineages extending back for thousands of years. "Once a particular marker appears by mutation in a man, all of his descendants will also carry that marker," Wells says. "If we compile information on a large set of markers and project them back in time using computer algorithms, the trail of mutations coalesces in a single Y-chromosome whose owner lived between 40,000 to 140,000 years ago in Africa." Because that mutation, named M94, is now carried by every man on the planet, Wells likes to call this man "Genetic Adam." But even he concedes the term may be misleading. He says there were certainly other humans living at the same time. Their lineages simply didn't make it to the present. DNA road maps Subsequent random mutations define later branches of the human family tree: lineages that crept out of Africa into Mesopotamia, some that headed east to Asia, and others that moved north, with the advent of agriculture, into the Caucasus and Europe. American Indians still carry marker mutations that first occurred among the natives of Siberia, and their genetic fingerprints came with them when their ancestors crossed the Bering Strait more than 12,000 years ago. Wells says the dozens of other random mutations that have accumulated in the DNA of contemporary humans --- in addition to Genetic Adam's M94 mutation --- constitute a kind of genetic fingerprint that can reveal whether their distant ancestors passed through the Middle East or the land bridge from Siberia or crossed the ocean from Europe to America. Initial efforts to use DNA to track human migrations, a project headed a few years ago by Stanford University population geneticist Luca Cavalli-Sforza, sampled the DNA from 52 indigenous groups and found five clusters of lineages that closely matched their ancestors' continent of origin. With a goal of collecting more than 100,000 DNA samples representing every indigenous group on the planet, the National Geographic effort hopes to paint a much more detailed picture of human migration. The society also hopes to avoid the political fuss that, more than a decade ago, prompted the federal government to withdraw support for a similar project that was intended to study the human genome. Urgency to project Unlike the federally funded effort, which was criticized for overtones of racism in looking for genetic differences among populations, National Geographic will not gather any information on genetic diseases and will make all of its anthropological data freely available. Wells says he feels a sense of urgency in the project. He says as political upheavals, environmental disruption and air travel prompt more people to move, the world is becoming less genetically diverse. Indigenous populations in particular are under pressure. [ "We need to take a genetic snapshot of who we are as a species before the geographic and cultural context are lost in the melting pot," he says. ======================================================== http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/journey.html Did you ever wonder about your most ancient ancestors? The Genographic Project will introduce you to them, and explain the genetic journeys that bond your personal lineage over tens of thousands of years. etc.

Robert, I found your post interesting. I'm here in Colorado also, so I'm curious as to where your friend had his testing done? (of course, the kit is a possibility as well) My grandfather from Konjsko Brdo had skin much darker than my grandmother from Stefanci. My grandfather fathered 3 daughters, so I don't know how the DNA testing would work, or if results on his DNA could come out of one of the daughters. Lori -- Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote: I have a friend in Colorado who is of Croatian and Slovene heritage. He had DNA testing done a year or so ago, and here is what he found. His Croatian side is darker skined, while his Slovene side is fairer skined. DNA testing said his Slovene side had roots in the middle east. His Croatian side had roots in.... Scandanavia. Interesting results. I will ask him for his input since he is one of the few people whom I know who has had DNA testing done. Robert Kurt McCrary <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Nick, Yes, I did see that Sounds interesting. Here is another site as well. 100.oo bucks sounds a little easier than 200.00 bucks. Though on the following website his main Stream is PA-Dutch I thought it was interesting reading the coments and comparing prices. Best Regards Kurt http://www.kerchner.com/pa-gerdna.htm nharamija wrote: Kurt; That is a fine undertaking, but you have to read this very closely. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. This does not as a genealogy data base help finding your ancestors. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing Hello Lori, This was just in the paper last week, thought it might help. best regards kurt Gene Project Aims to Trace Human Migration Wed Apr 13, 8:20 AM ET Science - AP By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Researchers are aiming to learn more about how the Earth was populated by collecting and analyzing genetic samples from 100,000 people around the globe. The five-year Genographic Project, being announced Wednesday, will use sophisticated laboratory and computer analysis of DNA to figure out the patterns in which people moved from one part of the world to another. It is sponsored by the National Geographic Society and IBM. "We're trying to figure out where we came from. It's a very simple human question," said Spencer Wells, the project's director and a population geneticist known for groundbreaking work in this field. Researchers plan to collect blood samples from 10,000 indigenous people - those whose ancestors inhabited a land before Europeans or other outsiders arrived - at each of 10 sites around the world. Because indigenous people trace their ancestors back to the same land over considerable time, their DNA contains "key genetic markers that have remained relatively unaltered over hundreds of generations," project scientists said. That makes their genetics reliable indicators of ancient migratory patterns. Most of the work that's been done so far has been based on genetic data from about 10,000 people, Wells said. That has helped establish that people came from Africa within the last 60,000 years, but little is known about what migratory routes they followed off that continent or what happened over the last 10,000 years, he said. Genetic fingerprints help establish the patterns, enabling scientists to trace variations in genes to their origins, he said. For instance, scientists are not sure how the Americas were first populated, said Ajay Royyuru, the lead scientist for IBM. The first people may have come from Siberia and eastern Asia, or they may have been Europeans migrating over a frozen north Atlantic, he said. "The goal of the project is to learn the journey that our ancestors traveled and hopefully answer the question of who we are and how we happened to be where we are," he said. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. Wells said he is not concerned that the database might be skewed with samples from people who can afford to pay nearly $100 to participate, saying even nonrandom data will help scientists understand migration patterns. Part of the proceeds will help fund the Genographic Legacy Project, which will support education and cultural preservation efforts among participating indigenous groups. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The $40 million is being funded in part by the Waitt Family Foundation. ___ On the Net: The Genographic Project: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic lori wrote: Hi Folks, Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of Croatian descent? (For genealogical purposes) Thanks, Lori --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Lori; You NEED a male for the "Y " test, a man Has the "X" from his Mother only and does not pass that on. I am searching for a test myself, as I am 75 and don't plan on too far in advance. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing Robert, I found your post interesting. I'm here in Colorado also, so I'm curious as to where your friend had his testing done? (of course, the kit is a possibility as well) My grandfather from Konjsko Brdo had skin much darker than my grandmother from Stefanci. My grandfather fathered 3 daughters, so I don't know how the DNA testing would work, or if results on his DNA could come out of one of the daughters. Lori -- Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote: I have a friend in Colorado who is of Croatian and Slovene heritage. He had DNA testing done a year or so ago, and here is what he found. His Croatian side is darker skined, while his Slovene side is fairer skined. DNA testing said his Slovene side had roots in the middle east. His Croatian side had roots in.... Scandanavia. Interesting results. I will ask him for his input since he is one of the few people whom I know who has had DNA testing done. Robert Kurt McCrary <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Nick, Yes, I did see that Sounds interesting. Here is another site as well. 100.oo bucks sounds a little easier than 200.00 bucks. Though on the following website his main Stream is PA-Dutch I thought it was interesting reading the coments and comparing prices. Best Regards Kurt http://www.kerchner.com/pa-gerdna.htm nharamija wrote: Kurt; That is a fine undertaking, but you have to read this very closely. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. This does not as a genealogy data base help finding your ancestors. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing Hello Lori, This was just in the paper last week, thought it might help. best regards kurt Gene Project Aims to Trace Human Migration Wed Apr 13, 8:20 AM ET Science - AP By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Researchers are aiming to learn more about how the Earth was populated by collecting and analyzing genetic samples from 100,000 people around the globe. The five-year Genographic Project, being announced Wednesday, will use sophisticated laboratory and computer analysis of DNA to figure out the patterns in which people moved from one part of the world to another. It is sponsored by the National Geographic Society and IBM. "We're trying to figure out where we came from. It's a very simple human question," said Spencer Wells, the project's director and a population geneticist known for groundbreaking work in this field. Researchers plan to collect blood samples from 10,000 indigenous people - those whose ancestors inhabited a land before Europeans or other outsiders arrived - at each of 10 sites around the world. Because indigenous people trace their ancestors back to the same land over considerable time, their DNA contains "key genetic markers that have remained relatively unaltered over hundreds of generations," project scientists said. That makes their genetics reliable indicators of ancient migratory patterns. Most of the work that's been done so far has been based on genetic data from about 10,000 people, Wells said. That has helped establish that people came from Africa within the last 60,000 years, but little is known about what migratory routes they followed off that continent or what happened over the last 10,000 years, he said. Genetic fingerprints help establish the patterns, enabling scientists to trace variations in genes to their origins, he said. For instance, scientists are not sure how the Americas were first populated, said Ajay Royyuru, the lead scientist for IBM. The first people may have come from Siberia and eastern Asia, or they may have been Europeans migrating over a frozen north Atlantic, he said. "The goal of the project is to learn the journey that our ancestors traveled and hopefully answer the question of who we are and how we happened to be where we are," he said. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. Wells said he is not concerned that the database might be skewed with samples from people who can afford to pay nearly $100 to participate, saying even nonrandom data will help scientists understand migration patterns. Part of the proceeds will help fund the Genographic Legacy Project, which will support education and cultural preservation efforts among participating indigenous groups. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The $40 million is being funded in part by the Waitt Family Foundation. ___ On the Net: The Genographic Project: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic lori wrote: Hi Folks, Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of Croatian descent? (For genealogical purposes) Thanks, Lori --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

The Y-Chromosome test traces the direct male line only. It is transmitted from father to son generation after generation. Men only! The mtDNA (mitochondrial) test traces the direct maternal line only. A mother transmits her mtDNA to both male and female children, but, only her daughters pass on her mtDNA. Just remember, every person has his/her mother's mtDNA. A man can have Y-DNA and mtDNA tests performed. A woman can only have the mtDNA test done. RE: National Geographic Society and IBM Corp. DNA project, from the Arizona Republic, 14 Apr 05 Mike Cusanovich, director of the Arizona Research Laboratories, saw legends of his ancestors' origins debunked when he submitted a sample of his DNA for testing. "My ancestors came to America from Croatia in the 1850s and have a long-standing Catholic heritage," he said. But the results of his DNA analysis show the Cusanoviches originally were Levites, or Jews. "They must have been converted during the Crusades," he said. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0414genesearch14.html Croatian Genealogy Newsletter has some DNA info: http://www.durham.net/facts/crogrn/newsltr9.html Y-Chromosomal heritage of Croatian population and its island isolates. http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Barac2003.pdf mtDNA haplogroups in the populations of Croatian Adriatic Islands http://www.kliinikum.ee/infokeskus/publikatsioonid2000/IV%20kvartal/mtDNA.htm Roanne

All of this is interesting and expensive for the average individual. I do know that my Slovenian side is darker skinned and we all have a variety of hair colors. My dad had sisters that were brunettes, blonds, and a redhead as well as a red headed brother. My mom's side was fairer skinned (German and Croatian), but there were brunettes and redheads again. Someone once said something about blood type when referring to where people are from. Well, we were a big family and seemed to have all blood types. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing > > Robert, > > I found your post interesting. I'm here in Colorado also, so I'm curious > as to where your friend had his testing done? (of course, the kit is a > possibility as well) > > My grandfather from Konjsko Brdo had skin much darker than my grandmother > from Stefanci. > > My grandfather fathered 3 daughters, so I don't know how the DNA testing > would work, or if results on his DNA could come out of one of the > daughters. > > Lori > > -- Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a friend in Colorado who is of Croatian and Slovene heritage. He > had DNA testing done a year or so ago, and here is what he found. > > His Croatian side is darker skined, while his Slovene side is fairer > skined. > > DNA testing said his Slovene side had roots in the middle east. > > His Croatian side had roots in.... Scandanavia. > > Interesting results. I will ask him for his input since he is one of the > few people whom I know who has had DNA testing done. > > Robert > > Kurt McCrary <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Nick, > Yes, I did see that Sounds interesting. Here is another site as well. > 100.oo bucks sounds a little easier than 200.00 bucks. Though on the > following website his main Stream is PA-Dutch I thought it was interesting > reading the coments and comparing prices. > > Best Regards > Kurt > http://www.kerchner.com/pa-gerdna.htm > > nharamija wrote: > Kurt; > That is a fine undertaking, but you have to read this very closely. > The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a > fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that > will > allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send > it > in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and > their data will be included in the master database. Participants will > receive updates on the project and other materials as well. > All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers > promise to keep individual identities confidential. This does not as a > genealogy data base help finding your ancestors. > > Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, > educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource > for scientists and researchers. > > Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers > based > at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; > Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; > Melbourne, > Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. > > The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a > fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that > will > allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send > it > in. > > They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their > data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive > updates on the project and other materials as well. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kurt McCrary" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing > > > Hello Lori, > This was just in the paper last week, thought it might help. > > best regards > kurt > > Gene Project Aims to Trace Human Migration > Wed Apr 13, 8:20 AM ET Science - AP > > By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press Writer > WASHINGTON - Researchers are aiming to learn more about how the Earth was > populated by collecting and analyzing genetic samples from 100,000 people > around the globe. > > The five-year Genographic Project, being announced Wednesday, will use > sophisticated laboratory and computer analysis of DNA to figure out the > patterns in which people moved from one part of the world to another. It > is > sponsored by the National Geographic Society and IBM. > > "We're trying to figure out where we came from. It's a very simple human > question," said Spencer Wells, the project's director and a population > geneticist known for groundbreaking work in this field. > > Researchers plan to collect blood samples from 10,000 indigenous people - > those whose ancestors inhabited a land before Europeans or other outsiders > arrived - at each of 10 sites around the world. Because indigenous people > trace their ancestors back to the same land over considerable time, their > DNA contains "key genetic markers that have remained relatively unaltered > over hundreds of generations," project scientists said. That makes their > genetics reliable indicators of ancient migratory patterns. > > Most of the work that's been done so far has been based on genetic data > from > about 10,000 people, Wells said. That has helped establish that people > came > from Africa within the last 60,000 years, but little is known about what > migratory routes they followed off that continent or what happened over > the > last 10,000 years, he said. > > Genetic fingerprints help establish the patterns, enabling scientists to > trace variations in genes to their origins, he said. > > For instance, scientists are not sure how the Americas were first > populated, > said Ajay Royyuru, the lead scientist for IBM. The first people may have > come from Siberia and eastern Asia, or they may have been Europeans > migrating over a frozen north Atlantic, he said. > > "The goal of the project is to learn the journey that our ancestors > traveled > and hopefully answer the question of who we are and how we happened to be > where we are," he said. > > The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a > fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that > will > allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send > it > in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and > their data will be included in the master database. Participants will > receive updates on the project and other materials as well. > > All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers > promise to keep individual identities confidential. > > Wells said he is not concerned that the database might be skewed with > samples from people who can afford to pay nearly $100 to participate, > saying > even nonrandom data will help scientists understand migration patterns. > > Part of the proceeds will help fund the Genographic Legacy Project, which > will support education and cultural preservation efforts among > participating > indigenous groups. > > Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, > educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource > for scientists and researchers. > > Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers > based > at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; > Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; > Melbourne, > Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. > > The $40 million is being funded in part by the Waitt Family Foundation. > > ___ > > On the Net: > > > The Genographic Project: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic > > > lori wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of Croatian > descent? (For genealogical purposes) > > Thanks, > > Lori > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 > >

I have a friend in Colorado who is of Croatian and Slovene heritage. He had DNA testing done a year or so ago, and here is what he found. His Croatian side is darker skined, while his Slovene side is fairer skined. DNA testing said his Slovene side had roots in the middle east. His Croatian side had roots in.... Scandanavia. Interesting results. I will ask him for his input since he is one of the few people whom I know who has had DNA testing done. Robert Kurt McCrary <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Nick, Yes, I did see that Sounds interesting. Here is another site as well. 100.oo bucks sounds a little easier than 200.00 bucks. Though on the following website his main Stream is PA-Dutch I thought it was interesting reading the coments and comparing prices. Best Regards Kurt http://www.kerchner.com/pa-gerdna.htm nharamija wrote: Kurt; That is a fine undertaking, but you have to read this very closely. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. This does not as a genealogy data base help finding your ancestors. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing Hello Lori, This was just in the paper last week, thought it might help. best regards kurt Gene Project Aims to Trace Human Migration Wed Apr 13, 8:20 AM ET Science - AP By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Researchers are aiming to learn more about how the Earth was populated by collecting and analyzing genetic samples from 100,000 people around the globe. The five-year Genographic Project, being announced Wednesday, will use sophisticated laboratory and computer analysis of DNA to figure out the patterns in which people moved from one part of the world to another. It is sponsored by the National Geographic Society and IBM. "We're trying to figure out where we came from. It's a very simple human question," said Spencer Wells, the project's director and a population geneticist known for groundbreaking work in this field. Researchers plan to collect blood samples from 10,000 indigenous people - those whose ancestors inhabited a land before Europeans or other outsiders arrived - at each of 10 sites around the world. Because indigenous people trace their ancestors back to the same land over considerable time, their DNA contains "key genetic markers that have remained relatively unaltered over hundreds of generations," project scientists said. That makes their genetics reliable indicators of ancient migratory patterns. Most of the work that's been done so far has been based on genetic data from about 10,000 people, Wells said. That has helped establish that people came from Africa within the last 60,000 years, but little is known about what migratory routes they followed off that continent or what happened over the last 10,000 years, he said. Genetic fingerprints help establish the patterns, enabling scientists to trace variations in genes to their origins, he said. For instance, scientists are not sure how the Americas were first populated, said Ajay Royyuru, the lead scientist for IBM. The first people may have come from Siberia and eastern Asia, or they may have been Europeans migrating over a frozen north Atlantic, he said. "The goal of the project is to learn the journey that our ancestors traveled and hopefully answer the question of who we are and how we happened to be where we are," he said. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. Wells said he is not concerned that the database might be skewed with samples from people who can afford to pay nearly $100 to participate, saying even nonrandom data will help scientists understand migration patterns. Part of the proceeds will help fund the Genographic Legacy Project, which will support education and cultural preservation efforts among participating indigenous groups. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The $40 million is being funded in part by the Waitt Family Foundation. ___ On the Net: The Genographic Project: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic lori wrote: Hi Folks, Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of Croatian descent? (For genealogical purposes) Thanks, Lori --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Kurt; That is a fine undertaking, but you have to read this very closely. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. This does not as a genealogy data base help finding your ancestors. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing Hello Lori, This was just in the paper last week, thought it might help. best regards kurt Gene Project Aims to Trace Human Migration Wed Apr 13, 8:20 AM ET Science - AP By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Researchers are aiming to learn more about how the Earth was populated by collecting and analyzing genetic samples from 100,000 people around the globe. The five-year Genographic Project, being announced Wednesday, will use sophisticated laboratory and computer analysis of DNA to figure out the patterns in which people moved from one part of the world to another. It is sponsored by the National Geographic Society and IBM. "We're trying to figure out where we came from. It's a very simple human question," said Spencer Wells, the project's director and a population geneticist known for groundbreaking work in this field. Researchers plan to collect blood samples from 10,000 indigenous people - those whose ancestors inhabited a land before Europeans or other outsiders arrived - at each of 10 sites around the world. Because indigenous people trace their ancestors back to the same land over considerable time, their DNA contains "key genetic markers that have remained relatively unaltered over hundreds of generations," project scientists said. That makes their genetics reliable indicators of ancient migratory patterns. Most of the work that's been done so far has been based on genetic data from about 10,000 people, Wells said. That has helped establish that people came from Africa within the last 60,000 years, but little is known about what migratory routes they followed off that continent or what happened over the last 10,000 years, he said. Genetic fingerprints help establish the patterns, enabling scientists to trace variations in genes to their origins, he said. For instance, scientists are not sure how the Americas were first populated, said Ajay Royyuru, the lead scientist for IBM. The first people may have come from Siberia and eastern Asia, or they may have been Europeans migrating over a frozen north Atlantic, he said. "The goal of the project is to learn the journey that our ancestors traveled and hopefully answer the question of who we are and how we happened to be where we are," he said. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. Wells said he is not concerned that the database might be skewed with samples from people who can afford to pay nearly $100 to participate, saying even nonrandom data will help scientists understand migration patterns. Part of the proceeds will help fund the Genographic Legacy Project, which will support education and cultural preservation efforts among participating indigenous groups. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The $40 million is being funded in part by the Waitt Family Foundation. ___ On the Net: The Genographic Project: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic lori <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Folks, Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of Croatian descent? (For genealogical purposes) Thanks, Lori --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

Hi Nick, Yes, I did see that Sounds interesting. Here is another site as well. 100.oo bucks sounds a little easier than 200.00 bucks. Though on the following website his main Stream is PA-Dutch I thought it was interesting reading the coments and comparing prices. Best Regards Kurt http://www.kerchner.com/pa-gerdna.htm nharamija <[email protected]> wrote: Kurt; That is a fine undertaking, but you have to read this very closely. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. This does not as a genealogy data base help finding your ancestors. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt McCrary" To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] DNA Testing Hello Lori, This was just in the paper last week, thought it might help. best regards kurt Gene Project Aims to Trace Human Migration Wed Apr 13, 8:20 AM ET Science - AP By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Researchers are aiming to learn more about how the Earth was populated by collecting and analyzing genetic samples from 100,000 people around the globe. The five-year Genographic Project, being announced Wednesday, will use sophisticated laboratory and computer analysis of DNA to figure out the patterns in which people moved from one part of the world to another. It is sponsored by the National Geographic Society and IBM. "We're trying to figure out where we came from. It's a very simple human question," said Spencer Wells, the project's director and a population geneticist known for groundbreaking work in this field. Researchers plan to collect blood samples from 10,000 indigenous people - those whose ancestors inhabited a land before Europeans or other outsiders arrived - at each of 10 sites around the world. Because indigenous people trace their ancestors back to the same land over considerable time, their DNA contains "key genetic markers that have remained relatively unaltered over hundreds of generations," project scientists said. That makes their genetics reliable indicators of ancient migratory patterns. Most of the work that's been done so far has been based on genetic data from about 10,000 people, Wells said. That has helped establish that people came from Africa within the last 60,000 years, but little is known about what migratory routes they followed off that continent or what happened over the last 10,000 years, he said. Genetic fingerprints help establish the patterns, enabling scientists to trace variations in genes to their origins, he said. For instance, scientists are not sure how the Americas were first populated, said Ajay Royyuru, the lead scientist for IBM. The first people may have come from Siberia and eastern Asia, or they may have been Europeans migrating over a frozen north Atlantic, he said. "The goal of the project is to learn the journey that our ancestors traveled and hopefully answer the question of who we are and how we happened to be where we are," he said. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. Wells said he is not concerned that the database might be skewed with samples from people who can afford to pay nearly $100 to participate, saying even nonrandom data will help scientists understand migration patterns. Part of the proceeds will help fund the Genographic Legacy Project, which will support education and cultural preservation efforts among participating indigenous groups. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The $40 million is being funded in part by the Waitt Family Foundation. ___ On the Net: The Genographic Project: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic lori wrote: Hi Folks, Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of Croatian descent? (For genealogical purposes) Thanks, Lori --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides!

Hi Lori: Here are some sites you mights take a looks at: "The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) is a non-profit organization committed to developing the world's foremost database of correlated genetic and genealogical information, and making this information freely available to the public. DNA analysis is a powerful new tool for genealogical research. The SMGF database will allow genealogists to use their own genetic profile to identify possible genealogical links. This database is currently the largest of its kind in the world." (www.smgf.org) Also try: " Find your genetic cousins worldwide - independently of which testing service you have used. The database is searchable on an unrivalled 49 Y-chromosome markers, making it the broadest, most open database around. Anyone can add to it. Anyone can search it. (and it's free thanks to those nice people at DNA Heritage!) (www.ybase.org) Good Luck, Peg           Ybase currently contains 3787 haplotypes and over 5275 unique surnames. On Apr 15, 2005, at 6:44 PM, Lori wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of > Croatian descent? (For genealogical purposes) > > Thanks, > > Lori >

Hello Lori, This was just in the paper last week, thought it might help. best regards kurt Gene Project Aims to Trace Human Migration Wed Apr 13, 8:20 AM ET Science - AP By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Researchers are aiming to learn more about how the Earth was populated by collecting and analyzing genetic samples from 100,000 people around the globe. The five-year Genographic Project, being announced Wednesday, will use sophisticated laboratory and computer analysis of DNA to figure out the patterns in which people moved from one part of the world to another. It is sponsored by the National Geographic Society and IBM. "We're trying to figure out where we came from. It's a very simple human question," said Spencer Wells, the project's director and a population geneticist known for groundbreaking work in this field. Researchers plan to collect blood samples from 10,000 indigenous people � those whose ancestors inhabited a land before Europeans or other outsiders arrived � at each of 10 sites around the world. Because indigenous people trace their ancestors back to the same land over considerable time, their DNA contains "key genetic markers that have remained relatively unaltered over hundreds of generations," project scientists said. That makes their genetics reliable indicators of ancient migratory patterns. Most of the work that's been done so far has been based on genetic data from about 10,000 people, Wells said. That has helped establish that people came from Africa within the last 60,000 years, but little is known about what migratory routes they followed off that continent or what happened over the last 10,000 years, he said. Genetic fingerprints help establish the patterns, enabling scientists to trace variations in genes to their origins, he said. For instance, scientists are not sure how the Americas were first populated, said Ajay Royyuru, the lead scientist for IBM. The first people may have come from Siberia and eastern Asia, or they may have been Europeans migrating over a frozen north Atlantic, he said. "The goal of the project is to learn the journey that our ancestors traveled and hopefully answer the question of who we are and how we happened to be where we are," he said. The project is also inviting participation from the general public, for a fee. People may buy a kit for $99.95 (plus shipping and handling) that will allow them to scrape the matter from the inside of their cheeks and send it in. They will receive information about their own migratory history, and their data will be included in the master database. Participants will receive updates on the project and other materials as well. All information in the master database will be anonymous and researchers promise to keep individual identities confidential. Wells said he is not concerned that the database might be skewed with samples from people who can afford to pay nearly $100 to participate, saying even nonrandom data will help scientists understand migration patterns. Part of the proceeds will help fund the Genographic Legacy Project, which will support education and cultural preservation efforts among participating indigenous groups. Project organizers said the result will include scientific papers, educational programming and a public database that can serve as a resource for scientists and researchers. Blood samples will be collected from indigenous people by researchers based at 10 sites around the world: Shanghai, China; Moscow; Tamil Nadu, India; Beirut, Lebanon; Philadelphia; Johannesburg, South Africa; Paris; Melbourne, Australia; Minas Gerais, Brazil; Cambridge, England. The $40 million is being funded in part by the Waitt Family Foundation. ___ On the Net: The Genographic Project: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic lori <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Folks, Does anyone know of any DNA testing being done for those of us of Croatian descent? (For genealogical purposes) Thanks, Lori --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

I had a uncle named Charles Basic. He was married to my aunt Sylvia Slamar. He had 2 brothers who lived in Croatia. Charles lived in Berwyn, IL. for years and died in 1981. Dawn