Hi Robert. I was wondering if you received my last email about searching the roots of this name. Please advise. thanks. Stojan

Robert you seem to be a God's gift to a woman lucky enough to have you around. Not questioning your veracity though, when do you then find time for your passion of history and genealogy? And to Ashley: Not all immigrants came from places lacking schools. US was quite enriched by the arrival of many, many Fuzinarci and Fuzinarke. And Fuzine, or Fuzina as called by its natives, celebrated several years ago the 200years of their school. To Karen: yes as Robert mentioned for many others, they came from Fuzina joining their brothers, friends and cousins. Tatjana

Now, now don't get your blood pressure up! Nope Tatjana, it is just about our loyalty to one another! That may be difficult for some to understand today with the PC notion that if it feels good do it, and if it inconviences you ... get rid of it! :) oh and I do most of the grocery shopping these days, which I enjoy along with cooking! God's gift to women.....my wife will be the only one who ever knows whether is is true or not this :) Of course not! Some days she likes me and some days she hates me... but we never stop our love and commitment to one another... and that is reality and the way it ought to be! But thanks to the PC movement many live in a dream world, where they are looking for something that does not exist doing as they will and d-mn everyone else and then some believe they are victims of everyone and everything throws at them ... thus they feel compelled to blame others for their lot in life... abortion or anything else included. To those folks I wi! ll say stop it, live in the real world and be accountable for you and your actions. My ranting is done, we know how others here view things and how I and a couple of others view things... now lets get back to genealogy.. I will if others do! In regards to schooling... the majority of Croatian immigrants, based on manifest records and the historical fact that the Habsburg Empire required 4 years of schooling for all children Robert [email protected] wrote: Robert you seem to be a God's gift to a woman lucky enough to have you around. Not questioning your veracity though, when do you then find time for your passion of history and genealogy? And to Ashley: Not all immigrants came from places lacking schools. US was quite enriched by the arrival of many, many Fuzinarci and Fuzinarke. And Fuzine, or Fuzina as called by its natives, celebrated several years ago the 200years of their school. To Karen: yes as Robert mentioned for many others, they came from Fuzina joining their brothers, friends and cousins. Tatjana Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

That is so true! As hard as my grandparents worked when they came here, they had 3 meals a day for the first time in their lives and didn't have to work on Sunday. My dad and aunt were the first members of the family to not only graduate high school but get college degree's as well. I don't think my grandfather would have ever had the opportunity to play basketball or hockey in Karlobag or Krasno with his grandchildren. Patty -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] family discussion Fact is they could make more at the backbreaking jobs in America than they could in Croatia... on a small plot of land often times with many siblings... and they could not all inherit the land! And as far as recruiters, often times they were friends or family who came to America ahead of them! And even when folks had money in Europe they needed land... so they came to America. The Habsburg Empire was behind in the industrial revolution and some parts were even farther behind. While in the process of finding info for my fall tour I came acros a RR web page and found that RRs were built in Croatia later than some other parts of the Empire. Our ancestors for the most part improved their lot here and prepared the way for us to succeed. Robert Karen Heiser <[email protected]> wrote: Okay , you raise a valid issue: why did our ancestors leave their homes to come to America? In MANY, MANY cases, the reason is not noble. Many came because they were lied to by recruiters from America who were looking for cheap labor in their mines and factories. And on top of that they had to put up with discrimination to boot! (Does the term BOHUNK come to mind?) Karen Heiser, Weed, Siskiyou, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashley tiwara" To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] family discussion > The strength of this list to my mind is the family discussion, as Margaret said. Occasional old boy comments about golf are acceptable as long as the golf duffers consider it appropriate for women to make postings about matters like voting rights and union organizing. Women and men died so that we could have the right to vote, to organize, and I don't mean died only on the picket line. > Many of those who have fought in America's declared wars would say they fought for the rights guaranteed them by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If their deaths have no meaning, it comes when free speech is denied their descendants. > Were your Croatian ancestors looking for freedom of religion? for the right to own property and pass on an inheritance to their children? Serfdom survived in parts of Europe notably including Austria until the post WW1 years. Public schools were common in the USA by 1900, they were still rather unusual in Europe then. Maybe your grandparents or great - grandparents left Europe to go to New Zealand or Argentina or the USA so that their children's children could learn to read. > So that they could someday use the internet. > So they'd have access to the resources this mailing list represents. Instead of being locked into a medieval world where neither they nor their children had the right to choose their religious preferences, or the right to an education, or the right to vote for their rulers, inherit the land they worked, or even the right to move on if the life they lead was unsatisfactory to them. > So they would have the possibility to eat roast lamb when they wanted to or golf when they chose to instead of lamb once a year and sports and games for little children only. > > Genealogy is more than dates and facts. > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William F Kane > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:06 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: Girls and boys > > > There is another old Croatian saying that was true 100 years ago and > maybe even just a few years ago in some rural parts of Croatia. "a > woman holds down three corners of the farm and helps her husband with the > forth." I think we are all aware of how hard our mothers and > grandmothers worked with out much recognition. Things have changed > however. Lets get back to genealogy. I apologize for sending one e-mail > in reply to the golfing inquiry. I don't even golf. > Bill Kane > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit www.messagelabs.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. 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Amen! Like you, my wife knows who she is and what she is about! No wimpishness about her nor any whining about being a victim. Politicians love to sort us all into groups of "vitcims" and "victimizer" and all the while they go about enriching their bank accounts! Robert Fran Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: Please, no more bantering. I am very much a woman, however, I don't feel superior to men nor do I believe men for the most part treat me less equal. We are in this together and no one living today is responsible for past transgressions. And, as far as "history"...it should encompass all nationalities and faiths and both sexes. Enough separation...Please.... Thanks, Fran Hamilton Surnames researching: BACA from Gornje Sredice(changed to Bacho), VRATARIC (from Gnojnice and Valisselo) and SABAT (from Prerau (Moravia) and Bjelovar). Additions: MATIC and LAMPOVSKA. Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Well let me know what time supper is and I will gladly wash and dry the dishes :) by the way those skills are very good as I learned this as an early age... and if you need your floors scrubbed I do it the old fashioned way... on hands and knees... which was the way taught to me by my mother. Rober ashley tiwara <[email protected]> wrote: If the fellow in this marriage was the one who both pressed or ironed the shirt and also impressed his woman so that she smiled with pleasure, that was indeed a good marriage. Is such a perspective possible? Is it remarkable? Had you considered washing the supper dishes by yourself tonight before I mentioned it? Women hold up half the sky, whenever they get an opportunity to leave the house and see some of it, Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Jerin To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys A Croatian friend of mine (who is working on her Phd) and who is married for 40+ years often quotes an old Croatian saying, which goes something like this "you can tell much by a marriage by the press of a Croatian man's shirt and the smile on a Croatian womans face"... which told much about how they cared for one another.... Robert dave mothkovich wrote: How I miss the family get togethers, Grandma, Mom, my aunts and sisters and cousins in the kitchen cooking, or talking.. and leaving us poor ole men to our naps. Dave On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:39:51 -0500 ashley tiwara writes: > The traditional difference between men and boys is the price of their > toys. > Kostati svoje igra? > > Ashley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:39 AM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys > > > Boys go to wars, dates go to proms, but men go to coppermines and > steelmills. > Girls can do anything, no need for women! > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Fact is they could make more at the backbreaking jobs in America than they could in Croatia... on a small plot of land often times with many siblings... and they could not all inherit the land! And as far as recruiters, often times they were friends or family who came to America ahead of them! And even when folks had money in Europe they needed land... so they came to America. The Habsburg Empire was behind in the industrial revolution and some parts were even farther behind. While in the process of finding info for my fall tour I came acros a RR web page and found that RRs were built in Croatia later than some other parts of the Empire. Our ancestors for the most part improved their lot here and prepared the way for us to succeed. Robert Karen Heiser <[email protected]> wrote: Okay , you raise a valid issue: why did our ancestors leave their homes to come to America? In MANY, MANY cases, the reason is not noble. Many came because they were lied to by recruiters from America who were looking for cheap labor in their mines and factories. And on top of that they had to put up with discrimination to boot! (Does the term BOHUNK come to mind?) Karen Heiser, Weed, Siskiyou, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashley tiwara" To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] family discussion > The strength of this list to my mind is the family discussion, as Margaret said. Occasional old boy comments about golf are acceptable as long as the golf duffers consider it appropriate for women to make postings about matters like voting rights and union organizing. Women and men died so that we could have the right to vote, to organize, and I don't mean died only on the picket line. > Many of those who have fought in America's declared wars would say they fought for the rights guaranteed them by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If their deaths have no meaning, it comes when free speech is denied their descendants. > Were your Croatian ancestors looking for freedom of religion? for the right to own property and pass on an inheritance to their children? Serfdom survived in parts of Europe notably including Austria until the post WW1 years. Public schools were common in the USA by 1900, they were still rather unusual in Europe then. Maybe your grandparents or great - grandparents left Europe to go to New Zealand or Argentina or the USA so that their children's children could learn to read. > So that they could someday use the internet. > So they'd have access to the resources this mailing list represents. Instead of being locked into a medieval world where neither they nor their children had the right to choose their religious preferences, or the right to an education, or the right to vote for their rulers, inherit the land they worked, or even the right to move on if the life they lead was unsatisfactory to them. > So they would have the possibility to eat roast lamb when they wanted to or golf when they chose to instead of lamb once a year and sports and games for little children only. > > Genealogy is more than dates and facts. > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William F Kane > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:06 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: Girls and boys > > > There is another old Croatian saying that was true 100 years ago and > maybe even just a few years ago in some rural parts of Croatia. "a > woman holds down three corners of the farm and helps her husband with the > forth." I think we are all aware of how hard our mothers and > grandmothers worked with out much recognition. Things have changed > however. Lets get back to genealogy. I apologize for sending one e-mail > in reply to the golfing inquiry. I don't even golf. > Bill Kane > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Please, no more bantering. I am very much a woman, however, I don't feel superior to men nor do I believe men for the most part treat me less equal. We are in this together and no one living today is responsible for past transgressions. And, as far as "history"...it should encompass all nationalities and faiths and both sexes. Enough separation...Please.... Thanks, Fran Hamilton Surnames researching: BACA from Gornje Sredice(changed to Bacho), VRATARIC (from Gnojnice and Valisselo) and SABAT (from Prerau (Moravia) and Bjelovar). Additions: MATIC and LAMPOVSKA.

The strength of this list to my mind is the family discussion, as Margaret said. Occasional old boy comments about golf are acceptable as long as the golf duffers consider it appropriate for women to make postings about matters like voting rights and union organizing. Women and men died so that we could have the right to vote, to organize, and I don't mean died only on the picket line. Many of those who have fought in America's declared wars would say they fought for the rights guaranteed them by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If their deaths have no meaning, it comes when free speech is denied their descendants. Were your Croatian ancestors looking for freedom of religion? for the right to own property and pass on an inheritance to their children? Serfdom survived in parts of Europe notably including Austria until the post WW1 years. Public schools were common in the USA by 1900, they were still rather unusual in Europe then. Maybe your grandparents or great - grandparents left Europe to go to New Zealand or Argentina or the USA so that their children's children could learn to read. So that they could someday use the internet. So they'd have access to the resources this mailing list represents. Instead of being locked into a medieval world where neither they nor their children had the right to choose their religious preferences, or the right to an education, or the right to vote for their rulers, inherit the land they worked, or even the right to move on if the life they lead was unsatisfactory to them. So they would have the possibility to eat roast lamb when they wanted to or golf when they chose to instead of lamb once a year and sports and games for little children only. Genealogy is more than dates and facts. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: William F Kane To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: Girls and boys There is another old Croatian saying that was true 100 years ago and maybe even just a few years ago in some rural parts of Croatia. "a woman holds down three corners of the farm and helps her husband with the forth." I think we are all aware of how hard our mothers and grandmothers worked with out much recognition. Things have changed however. Lets get back to genealogy. I apologize for sending one e-mail in reply to the golfing inquiry. I don't even golf. Bill Kane

If the fellow in this marriage was the one who both pressed or ironed the shirt and also impressed his woman so that she smiled with pleasure, that was indeed a good marriage. Is such a perspective possible? Is it remarkable? Had you considered washing the supper dishes by yourself tonight before I mentioned it? Women hold up half the sky, whenever they get an opportunity to leave the house and see some of it, Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Jerin To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys A Croatian friend of mine (who is working on her Phd) and who is married for 40+ years often quotes an old Croatian saying, which goes something like this "you can tell much by a marriage by the press of a Croatian man's shirt and the smile on a Croatian womans face"... which told much about how they cared for one another.... Robert dave mothkovich <[email protected]> wrote: How I miss the family get togethers, Grandma, Mom, my aunts and sisters and cousins in the kitchen cooking, or talking.. and leaving us poor ole men to our naps. Dave On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:39:51 -0500 ashley tiwara writes: > The traditional difference between men and boys is the price of their > toys. > Kostati svoje igra? > > Ashley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:39 AM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys > > > Boys go to wars, dates go to proms, but men go to coppermines and > steelmills. > Girls can do anything, no need for women! > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a wonderful tour of Croatia! http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Dave, I do think you should be proud of the work your mother did, as did mine, in raising children without a male helper, but surely you aren't saying that men have no part in creating children? Those partial birth abortions your mom wept over were the result of men's actions or inactions as much as any choice the desperate women involved had made. You are at best being patronizing when you offer this list the opportunity to ' go ahead and have your girl talk. ' Women's heritage and women's history is holding up half the sky. Unless you wish to be middle Eastern, and not the middle Westerner I know you to be, and claim the whole sky for men. Or are dreams also not suitable talk for women and girls too? Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: dave mothkovich To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] feminist movement and "genealogy" The cooking goes to culture, which I think is suitable to genealogy. It adds color to the leaves of the family tree. I plead mea culpa regarding a short discussion on gulf courses, during some chattiing on the board. I have a great deal of respect for the mothers who raised 10 children.. my mother did it, and 5 by herself after my father died. My mother worked on airplanes during WWII, and after dad died, supported the family by working in a saloon. She was proud of her ability as a mother , wife, and homemaker; and she felt insulted by feminists because she felt they were demeaning the work she did and insulting her chosen vocation. My mother felt that feminism would destroy families, and though I don't think it is fair to say it has been the sole culprit of our McWorld culture, certainly it plays a role in how families interact in society today.. not all good. When my mother learned what abortion was, and what partial birth abortion was she wept for hours wondering how women could destroy the most precious gifts they had, one - sharing in creation with God, and two - the unborn child itself. My mom was a football fan, a baseball fan, shared in my love of mysteries and law enforcement. She was a good detective herself having found were my father's mother had died and was buried; and getting useful information from her death record and the people who cared for her with almost nothing as a clue. All that before the information and technology age, which has made the task so much easier for me. Regardless of how sick we were or how tired she was she put all her energy into our care. My mother taught us right from wrong, and how to see through "creative logic" to discern immoral behavior, falsehood, malice and politic. All this from a heinz 57, kinda woman married to a hard working, stubborn, Croatian male. Go ahead and have your girl talk. Dave On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:33:49 EDT [email protected] writes: > We are often discussing history: the Croats, Slovenes, their > language, the > food they eat and cook. And I saw no complaints. But mention the > women (except > in their families' kitchens) and soon the girls are mentioned- is it > just > patronizing or? > Going through the US census reports I could not but wonder: how did > they do > it? 8, 10 children, husband going to the coppermines and a boarder > or 2 in the > apartement. All the while apparently they had no basic legal rights. > Are we > only interested in their gourmet cooking and the rights of Magyars > and the > language of Poles? but not the lifes of our gmothers? > Right on Ashley! > And the rest: please explain what do the recipes have to do with > genealogy as > you understand it? > Tatjana Former (glad to have been able to be accepted to medical > school and > to spend my own earnings with my own credit cards. And to vote!) > > >

Ashley, I love reading your remarks and rejoice in them. Not all women are as fortunate as I am with a husband and boys that are not ashamed to do "woman's work". I don't mind hammering a nail or painting a fence or mowing a lawn (we no longer have lawn, but desert landscaping), but I used to do it. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashley tiwara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] only Mother is responsible for children? > Dave, I do think you should be proud of the work your mother did, as did > mine, in raising children without a male helper, but surely you aren't > saying that men have no part in creating children? Those partial birth > abortions your mom wept over were the result of men's actions or inactions > as much as any choice the desperate women involved had made. > You are at best being patronizing when you offer this list the > opportunity to ' go ahead and have your girl talk. ' Women's heritage and > women's history is holding up half the sky. Unless you wish to be middle > Eastern, and not the middle Westerner I know you to be, and claim the > whole sky for men. > > Or are dreams also not suitable talk for women and girls too? > Ashley > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dave mothkovich > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:38 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] feminist movement and "genealogy" > > > The cooking goes to culture, which I think is suitable to genealogy. It > adds color to the leaves of the family tree. I plead mea culpa regarding > a short discussion on gulf courses, during some chattiing on the board. > I have a great deal of respect for the mothers who raised 10 children.. > my mother did it, and 5 by herself after my father died. > My mother worked on airplanes during WWII, and after dad died, supported > the family by working in a saloon. She was proud of her ability as a > mother , wife, and homemaker; and she felt insulted by feminists because > she felt they were demeaning the work she did and insulting her chosen > vocation. My mother felt that feminism would destroy families, and > though I don't think it is fair to say it has been the sole culprit of > our McWorld culture, certainly it plays a role in how families interact > in society today.. not all good. When my mother learned what abortion > was, and what partial birth abortion was she wept for hours wondering how > women could destroy the most precious gifts they had, one - sharing in > creation with God, and two - the unborn child itself. > > My mom was a football fan, a baseball fan, shared in my love of mysteries > and law enforcement. She was a good detective herself having found were > my father's mother had died and was buried; and getting useful > information from her death record and the people who cared for her with > almost nothing as a clue. All that before the information and technology > age, which has made the task so much easier for me. Regardless of how > sick we were or how tired she was she put all her energy into our care. > My mother taught us right from wrong, and how to see through "creative > logic" to discern immoral behavior, falsehood, malice and politic. > > All this from a heinz 57, kinda woman married to a hard working, > stubborn, Croatian male. > > Go ahead and have your girl talk. > > Dave > > > > On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:33:49 EDT [email protected] writes: > > We are often discussing history: the Croats, Slovenes, their > > language, the > > food they eat and cook. And I saw no complaints. But mention the > > women (except > > in their families' kitchens) and soon the girls are mentioned- is it > > just > > patronizing or? > > Going through the US census reports I could not but wonder: how did > > they do > > it? 8, 10 children, husband going to the coppermines and a boarder > > or 2 in the > > apartement. All the while apparently they had no basic legal rights. > > Are we > > only interested in their gourmet cooking and the rights of Magyars > > and the > > language of Poles? but not the lifes of our gmothers? > > Right on Ashley! > > And the rest: please explain what do the recipes have to do with > > genealogy as > > you understand it? > > Tatjana Former (glad to have been able to be accepted to medical > > school and > > to spend my own earnings with my own credit cards. And to vote!) > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 >

Okay , you raise a valid issue: why did our ancestors leave their homes to come to America? In MANY, MANY cases, the reason is not noble. Many came because they were lied to by recruiters from America who were looking for cheap labor in their mines and factories. And on top of that they had to put up with discrimination to boot! (Does the term BOHUNK come to mind?) Karen Heiser, Weed, Siskiyou, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashley tiwara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: [CROATIA-L] family discussion > The strength of this list to my mind is the family discussion, as Margaret said. Occasional old boy comments about golf are acceptable as long as the golf duffers consider it appropriate for women to make postings about matters like voting rights and union organizing. Women and men died so that we could have the right to vote, to organize, and I don't mean died only on the picket line. > Many of those who have fought in America's declared wars would say they fought for the rights guaranteed them by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If their deaths have no meaning, it comes when free speech is denied their descendants. > Were your Croatian ancestors looking for freedom of religion? for the right to own property and pass on an inheritance to their children? Serfdom survived in parts of Europe notably including Austria until the post WW1 years. Public schools were common in the USA by 1900, they were still rather unusual in Europe then. Maybe your grandparents or great - grandparents left Europe to go to New Zealand or Argentina or the USA so that their children's children could learn to read. > So that they could someday use the internet. > So they'd have access to the resources this mailing list represents. Instead of being locked into a medieval world where neither they nor their children had the right to choose their religious preferences, or the right to an education, or the right to vote for their rulers, inherit the land they worked, or even the right to move on if the life they lead was unsatisfactory to them. > So they would have the possibility to eat roast lamb when they wanted to or golf when they chose to instead of lamb once a year and sports and games for little children only. > > Genealogy is more than dates and facts. > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William F Kane > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:06 PM > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Re: Girls and boys > > > There is another old Croatian saying that was true 100 years ago and > maybe even just a few years ago in some rural parts of Croatia. "a > woman holds down three corners of the farm and helps her husband with the > forth." I think we are all aware of how hard our mothers and > grandmothers worked with out much recognition. Things have changed > however. Lets get back to genealogy. I apologize for sending one e-mail > in reply to the golfing inquiry. I don't even golf. > Bill Kane > >

I am still searching for the POSTIC, POSTICH, DJURICIC names from Dalj on my grandmother Sophie Djurici Schweitzer's side of the family. Great Grandfather, ANDREW DJURICIC, married ELIZABETH POSTIC, around 1875 to 1880 in Dalj and had Sophia in 1882, Maria, and Katharina. Sophia, my grandmother came to America. Maria married Matthias Young in Croatia and Katharina married Josef Martinovic. We don't know if ANDREW DJURICIC had any brothers or sisters and it is possible that his lived in the Alsace Lorraine area before my grandmother was born. We don't know if any of the Postic's who came to America from Dalj (on the Morse site) are cousin's. Maybe someone out there has information on these families. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] feminist movement and "genealogy" > In a message dated 4/24/2005 3:37:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << boring >> > No problem, just switch to yellow pages and read the list of restaurants. > This should tickle you pink and you shall never be bored again. Or go to > the > movies. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 > >

Warm weather is on the way. How about some good warm weather recipes from the veggies that a lot of us will be growing in the garden??? Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys > Aha, but that is an old Croatian proverb! Not about our home today... > where we have permanent press, which is washed by any of the 3 members of > our household! Any non-permanent press hang for a long time before they > are ironed... My wife's Rowenta is reserved for her projects :) > > Robert > > [email protected] wrote: > Robert you are behind times. Learn about drip-dry. > Tatjana > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2005 10:53:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Subj: Re: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys > Date: 4/24/2005 10:53:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: [email protected] (Robert Jerin) > Reply-to: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > A Croatian friend of mine (who is working on her Phd) and who is married > for > 40+ years often quotes an old Croatian saying, which goes something like > this > "you can tell much by a marriage by the press of a Croatian man's shirt > and > the smile on a Croatian womans face"... which told much about how they > cared > for one another.... > > Robert > > dave mothkovich wrote: > How I miss the family get togethers, Grandma, Mom, my aunts and sisters > and cousins in the kitchen cooking, or talking.. and leaving us poor ole > men to our naps. > Dave > > > On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:39:51 -0500 ashley tiwara > writes: >> The traditional difference between men and boys is the price of their >> toys. >> Kostati svoje igra? >> >> Ashley >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:39 AM >> Subject: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys >> >> >> Boys go to wars, dates go to proms, but men go to coppermines and >> steelmills. >> Girls can do anything, no need for women! >> >> >> > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about a > wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-yi06.mx.aol.com (rly-yi06.mail.aol.com > [172.18.180.134]) > by air-yi02.mail.aol.com (v105.26) with ESMTP id MAILINYI21-7e0426bb2f121; > Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:53:51 -0400 > Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.41]) by > rly-yi06.mx.aol.com (v105.26) with ESMTP id > MAILRELAYINYI610-7e0426bb2f121; > Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:53:38 -0400 > Received: (from [email protected]) > by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id j3OErAPa022105; > Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:53:10 -0600 > Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:53:10 -0600 > X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Sun Apr 24 08:53:10 2005 > Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys > DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; > s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; > > b=Ui/3CxzmJdMtV6VQZ1fdseK3QZ4jc5fvr1aJV9RSF8D4BegSqLgwSDn3AYO13w7AjqCAz7Fy/WwwxwTLJUTsaRH4+mmEfF2XVGzgHp2vXoZypDKVffw9/lGuHhVRmdB5Jj3xnuwTNbAs78hsUjywA1G > TPt4eDJBDLG+xjTYZ8s8= ; > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:53:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Jerin > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys > Old-To: [email protected] > In-Reply-To: 6667 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 > Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Resent-From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7178 > X-Loop: [email protected] > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: [email protected] > X-AOL-IP: 66.43.18.41 > X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457604518:9395241 > X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 > >>> > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out about > a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome Buza" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:57 AM > Subject: > UNSUBSCRIBE >> >> >> >> >> > >>

The other day I was in a restaurant which I patronize because they have the best biskets and gravy. The owner was exspousing about the character of todays women as well, she was bragging about how she runs her restaurant, keeps home, and does ironing. She complained about all these people looking like rags, and that her teenage daughter tried to sneak out of the house wearing a Marilyn Manson shirt (God only knew where she came up with that shirt), which she promptly made her remove and threw in the garbage. So much for true feminism. An independent woman, who owns her own business, manages a home, knows her rights, and knows right from wrong. Thank God for mothers who don't buy into the PC stuff, teach right from wrong, and stand their ground against unsound teachings by society in the music and media. No more on this subject from me. Dave On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Robert Jerin <[email protected]> writes: > A Croatian friend of mine (who is working on her Phd) and who is > married for 40+ years often quotes an old Croatian saying, which > goes something like this "you can tell much by a marriage by the > press of a Croatian man's shirt and the smile on a Croatian womans > face"... which told much about how they cared for one another.... > > Robert > > dave mothkovich <[email protected]> wrote: > How I miss the family get togethers, Grandma, Mom, my aunts and > sisters > and cousins in the kitchen cooking, or talking.. and leaving us poor > ole > men to our naps. > Dave > > > On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:39:51 -0500 ashley tiwara > writes: > > The traditional difference between men and boys is the price of > their > > toys. > > Kostati svoje igra? > > > > Ashley > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:39 AM > > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys > > > > > > Boys go to wars, dates go to proms, but men go to coppermines and > > > steelmills. > > Girls can do anything, no need for women! > > > > > > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out > about a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > >

That was on the special family picnics.. and we didn't dare miss them either. Dave On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Robert Jerin <[email protected]> writes: > Ah but the men and boys around our place were busy roasting lambs and > pigs! Naps came later :) > > Robert > > dave mothkovich <[email protected]> wrote: > How I miss the family get togethers, Grandma, Mom, my aunts and > sisters > and cousins in the kitchen cooking, or talking.. and leaving us poor > ole > men to our naps. > Dave > > > On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:39:51 -0500 ashley tiwara > writes: > > The traditional difference between men and boys is the price of > their > > toys. > > Kostati svoje igra? > > > > Ashley > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:39 AM > > Subject: [CROATIA-L] Girls and boys > > > > > > Boys go to wars, dates go to proms, but men go to coppermines and > > > steelmills. > > Girls can do anything, no need for women! > > > > > > > > > > Interested in visting Croatia? Click on the link below to find out > about a wonderful tour of Croatia! > > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > > >

None of this is boring to me as we are each of our own thinking and this is like a "family discussion". Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] feminist movement and "genealogy" > boring.................................. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 > >

There is another old Croatian saying that was true 100 years ago and maybe even just a few years ago in some rural parts of Croatia. "a woman holds down three corners of the farm and helps her husband with the forth." I think we are all aware of how hard our mothers and grandmothers worked with out much recognition. Things have changed however. Lets get back to genealogy. I apologize for sending one e-mail in reply to the golfing inquiry. I don't even golf. Bill Kane