Can someone please help me? I need to send a fax to Croatia and the number I have is this: 021/224-201. What other numbers might I need to send this fax? By the way, this is a fax to the Mayor of Kastela. Kastela is the 'sister city' of the town I live in. Thank you, Denise

Hi Nancy I stayed in Split - main Split Hotel which was absolutely perfect. Taxi's were cheap but to go out to Makarska-Drvenik I took the bus from the bus station in Split. People were helpful in working out the times for going and return. There are private home-b&b's in Drvenik if you want to stay there for a few nights. Cheers, GAYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy McNatty" <nancymac@wave.co.nz> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:38 PM Subject: [CROATIA-L] Drvenik Croatia > Hi, > I am at last getting close to my trip to Croatia, mainly to go to Drvenik, I leave next Monday, and would really love to hear from anyone who has been to Croatia recently, as I have nothing booked for there, can anyone advice me as to the best places for clean, budget accommodation, bus and train travel, the best towns to stay in and any other relevant information. > Thanks and best wishes from > Nancy >

Hi, I am at last getting close to my trip to Croatia, mainly to go to Drvenik, I leave next Monday, and would really love to hear from anyone who has been to Croatia recently, as I have nothing booked for there, can anyone advice me as to the best places for clean, budget accommodation, bus and train travel, the best towns to stay in and any other relevant information. Thanks and best wishes from Nancy

Nancy, I looked at the Hrvatska atlas I purchased in Croatia last year and it listed only one DRVENIK; and it was on the coastal highway approximately 140 km North of Dubrovnik. The nearest large town is Gradac. There was a bus service that goes up the coast from Dubrovnik. Also there is a coastal ferry that stops at the island of Hvar and a small ferry that goes from there to Drvenk. I have driven that coast road from Dubrovnik to Split and there were many signs offering rooms. Assuming that this is the Drvenik you are looking for, the coast is lovely with lots to see from one end to the other. At this late date, get a good guide book before you leave New Zealand. Robert is right on about high season and rooms can get pricey. At this time of year you will find folks advertising rooms at larger transportation stops. Sretan Put, Tony On Aug 14, 2006, at 5:11 AM, Robert Jerin wrote: > Nancy, > > I see that you have not shared much with the list, except to say that > Drevnik was near Dubrovnik... there is one just south of Dubrovnik, > and 2 north one near the beginning of the Peljasac Peninsula and one > near the end of Peljasac (both are not on the peninsula but on the > mainland) > > The train only runs to Split... but there is nice new high speed > train from Zagreb to Split with lovely scenary.. that you would not > see from a bus... we traveled on this last October. > > Robert > > Nancy McNatty <nancymac@wave.co.nz> wrote: > Hi, > I am at last getting close to my trip to Croatia, mainly to go to > Drvenik, I leave next Monday, and would really love to hear from > anyone who has been to Croatia recently, as I have nothing booked for > there, can anyone advice me as to the best places for clean, budget > accommodation, bus and train travel, the best towns to stay in and any > other relevant information. > Thanks and best wishes from > Nancy > > > > > Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >

Nancy, I see that you have not shared much with the list, except to say that Drevnik was near Dubrovnik... there is one just south of Dubrovnik, and 2 north one near the beginning of the Peljasac Peninsula and one near the end of Peljasac (both are not on the peninsula but on the mainland) The train only runs to Split... but there is nice new high speed train from Zagreb to Split with lovely scenary.. that you would not see from a bus... we traveled on this last October. Robert Nancy McNatty <nancymac@wave.co.nz> wrote: Hi, I am at last getting close to my trip to Croatia, mainly to go to Drvenik, I leave next Monday, and would really love to hear from anyone who has been to Croatia recently, as I have nothing booked for there, can anyone advice me as to the best places for clean, budget accommodation, bus and train travel, the best towns to stay in and any other relevant information. Thanks and best wishes from Nancy Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Nancy, You are this close and have not looked into anything? You have got to be kidding, you are still in the high tourist season ! There have been reports of overbooking in some areas. I have been there going on my 4th time and began planning well in advance. What is budget accomodation ? There are many people who rent out rooms in their homes in the tourist areas This is most likely different depending on ones outlook. Which Drevnik do you intend to visit?... there are 6 places in Croatia with this name... and none of them close to one another There are many great places to visit in Croatia. If you give more specfics perhaps someone can help. Robert Nancy McNatty <nancymac@wave.co.nz> wrote: Hi, I am at last getting close to my trip to Croatia, mainly to go to Drvenik, I leave next Monday, and would really love to hear from anyone who has been to Croatia recently, as I have nothing booked for there, can anyone advice me as to the best places for clean, budget accommodation, bus and train travel, the best towns to stay in and any other relevant information. Thanks and best wishes from Nancy Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Thank you so much Tat! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tat417761@cs.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Quick translation urgently needed > In a message dated 8/10/2006 1:54:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > gaye.strand@alliednz.co.nz writes: > > Subj: [CROATIA-L] Quick translation urgently needed > > Date:8/10/2006 1:54:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time > > From:gaye.strand@alliednz.co.nz > > Reply-to:CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > > To:CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > > Received from Internet: > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please help me > > > > I am having to write up a death notice for the paper > > and have 'pocivala u miru' as an R.I.P. for a female death > > but unsure what it is for a male death > > > > Help quickly please????? > > > > Many thanks > > GAYE > > > > > For a male: > "pocivao u miru" > > Tatjana >

Can someone please help me I am having to write up a death notice for the paper and have 'pocivala u miru' as an R.I.P. for a female death but unsure what it is for a male death Help quickly please????? Many thanks GAYE

In a message dated 8/10/2006 1:54:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gaye.strand@alliednz.co.nz writes: > Subj: [CROATIA-L] Quick translation urgently needed > Date:8/10/2006 1:54:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From:gaye.strand@alliednz.co.nz > Reply-to:CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > To:CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Received from Internet: > > > > > Can someone please help me > > I am having to write up a death notice for the paper > and have 'pocivala u miru' as an R.I.P. for a female death > but unsure what it is for a male death > > Help quickly please????? > > Many thanks > GAYE > > For a male: "pocivao u miru" Tatjana

Hrastovac is a small town in Croatia, south west of Daruvar (Slavonia). I have an atlas showing that in 1914 Hrastovac belonged to the Daruvar District in Pozsega County. At some point it became part of the Belovár-Körös County in the Garesnica District. Does anyone know when this change occurred? I apologize in advance if my use of the words district and county are not correct - I am used to working with Kreis in German and Komitat in Hungarian to describe this. Thanks Darlene

I want to make a correction. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia (kingdom of serbs, croats and slovenes) was proclaimed on 1 December 1918 not 1914. My fatherinlaw was born in 1918 and his birthcertificate states he was born in The Kingdom of Yugoslavia. After the second world war people in Yugoslavia refered to that period as old Yugoslavia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <homoki@ecn.net.au> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER >I think Yugoslavia came into existance sometime in 1914. It was called old >Yugoslavia (stara jugoslavia). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <khorne@adelphia.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER > > >> Hi Robert, >> >> If Yugoslavia did not come into existence until 1929, why when my great >> uncle immigrated in 1921, it says he's from Yugoslavia?? >> >> When my grandfather arrived in 1912, residence: Galgovo, Hungary >> Great Uncle in 1921: Galgovo, Jugoslavia >> >> Thanks for the info >> >> Karen >> >> >> >> ---- Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Stephen, >>> >>> Welcome to the List! >>> >>> First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only >>> from 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians >>> first migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at >>> that time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had >>> lived in present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest >>> known place was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). >>> The first Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia >>> in in the 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the >>> Croatians into a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia >>> (except the western part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of >>> present day Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king >>> died, leaving no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a >>> "personal union" with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the >>> 1400s, which is about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid >>> and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the >>> Croato-Hungarian army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most >>> of Croatia (except a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia >>> recognized the monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia >>> Later this and other parts of this country would be known as The >>> Habsburg Empire aka Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was >>> a Kingdom.... then in 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) >>> Croatia was placed into a new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats >>> and Slovenes... discontent with the Serbian centralization of power that >>> the pacisfist Croatian Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with >>> others was assassinated in the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after >>> which the King declared a royal dictatorship... eliminating the name >>> Croatia from maps... and creating jerrymandered provinces favorable to >>> the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian seperatists, who were afillated with >>> Croatians, >>> assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II >>> looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province >>> called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were >>> the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around >>> Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little >>> too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split >>> into 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and >>> parts of Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history.. >>> . >>> Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning >>> Saint John >>> >>> Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Stephen Djuric <sjdjmilw@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list, >>> I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I >>> just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my >>> ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but >>> here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893 >>> in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in >>> Mrzovic, Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja >>> and Khati Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary. >>> Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 >>> in Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a >>> previous marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna >>> Krahl's father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife >>> Anna Gerber born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on >>> anyone connected to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to >>> share anything that someone else might be looking for. >>> Thank You >>> Steve Djuric >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia >>> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 2/08/2006 >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 2/08/2006 > >

I think Yugoslavia came into existance sometime in 1914. It was called old Yugoslavia (stara jugoslavia). ----- Original Message ----- From: <khorne@adelphia.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER > Hi Robert, > > If Yugoslavia did not come into existence until 1929, why when my great > uncle immigrated in 1921, it says he's from Yugoslavia?? > > When my grandfather arrived in 1912, residence: Galgovo, Hungary > Great Uncle in 1921: Galgovo, Jugoslavia > > Thanks for the info > > Karen > > > > ---- Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Stephen, >> >> Welcome to the List! >> >> First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only from >> 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians first >> migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at that >> time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had lived in >> present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest known place >> was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). The first >> Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia in in the >> 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the Croatians into >> a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia (except the western >> part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of present day >> Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king died, leaving >> no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a "personal union" >> with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the 1400s, which is >> about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid >> and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the Croato-Hungarian >> army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most of Croatia (except >> a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia recognized the >> monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia Later this and >> other parts of this country would be known as The Habsburg Empire aka >> Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was a Kingdom.... then in >> 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) Croatia was placed into a >> new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes... discontent >> with the Serbian centralization of power that the pacisfist Croatian >> Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with others was assassinated in >> the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after which the King declared a royal >> dictatorship... eliminating the name Croatia from maps... and creating >> jerrymandered provinces favorable to the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian >> seperatists, who were afillated with Croatians, >> assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II >> looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province >> called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were >> the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around >> Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little >> too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split into >> 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and parts of >> Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history.. >> . >> Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning >> Saint John >> >> Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest >> >> Robert >> >> Stephen Djuric <sjdjmilw@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list, >> I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I >> just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my >> ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but >> here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893 >> in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in Mrzovic, >> Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja and Khati >> Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary. >> Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 in >> Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a previous >> marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna Krahl's >> father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife Anna Gerber >> born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on anyone connected >> to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to share anything that >> someone else might be looking for. >> Thank You >> Steve Djuric >> >> >> >> >> Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >> > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 2/08/2006 > >

Nenad, This is very true! And the worst part is that most Americans are not too concerned, we are isolated from all but Canada and Mexico... and except for Pearl Harbor and 911 have not experienced attacks on our soil since around The War of 1812. So it is often difficult for Americans to understand these things... but there are many good books in English that give more of a view from people close to Croatia. One of the first that I read was Prof. Ivo Banac, I even got to speak with and interview him during Domovinski Rat. He has one book that was written about 30 years ago or so. And even though he is Croatian he is professor of history and director of the Council on European Studies at Yale and not under the censorship of Tito. I highly recommend his works The one book that I keep handy for reference is: The National Question in Yugoslavia: Origins, History, Politics (1984) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801494931/002-6711820-2458452?v=glance&n=283155 Another which I have not read but I plan to someday is With Stalin Against Tito: Cominformist Splits in Yugoslav Communism (1988) And since many Americans are confused (or simply don't care) about the Hrvatski Domovinski Rat (Croatian Homeland War) here is an interview with Banac regarding that and other wars that Serbia carried out in the early 90s http://bostonreview.net/BR19.1/banac.html Here is one that is written by Marcus Tanner, a non-Croatian but was written since independence and over all is good. His strong points are that he had no previous connection to Croatia but went there as a correspondent during the war and understands Croatia and her quest for independence. Croatia, A Nation Forged in War by Marcus Tanner A modern history of Croatia from its medieval origins to the Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia to 1995, when thousands of Serbs fled Krajina. Written by a London Independent correspondent who was eyewitness to events of 1993, it is an absorbing and largely sympathetic portrait of Croatia with a focus on the drive for independence. http://www.longitudebooks.com/find/p/3066/mcms.html Another book by Stephen Gazi, a Croatian American that is a short history book written originally and republished in the 1990s by Barnes and Noble. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566193966/002-6711820-2458452?v=glance&n=283155 And if you like online reading you will find a couple of excellent sites one is by Zagrebcani Darko Zubrinic and covers a broad range of topics http://www.hr/darko/etf/etfss.html Another is a Bosnia Hercegovnia site. Bosnia-Hercegovina, which was part of Tomislav's Croatia, had a Croat majority on the eve of the Turkish invasion will soon count very many Croats among its citizens. The world has not made much of the fact that the Croats have been basically minimized with many villages emptied of Croats and many parishes nearly non-existant and the migration of Croats out of Bosnia-Hercegovina continues. http://www.hercegbosna.org/eng_index.html Robert mnenad@charter.net wrote: I just want to mention, history it was always written by winners not loosers... In the balkan it is always two oposite history, two truth, depend who wrote... Who really want to know history on this areas need to explore more deep in history books, but different sources and find own truth usually somewhere between... Who like to tight with each balkans nacional history that is another story... Just my 5 cent about... ---- Betty wrote: > I think Yugoslavia came into existance sometime in 1914. It was called old > Yugoslavia (stara jugoslavia). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER > > > > Hi Robert, > > > > If Yugoslavia did not come into existence until 1929, why when my great > > uncle immigrated in 1921, it says he's from Yugoslavia?? > > > > When my grandfather arrived in 1912, residence: Galgovo, Hungary > > Great Uncle in 1921: Galgovo, Jugoslavia > > > > Thanks for the info > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > ---- Robert Jerin wrote: > >> Stephen, > >> > >> Welcome to the List! > >> > >> First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only from > >> 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians first > >> migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at that > >> time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had lived in > >> present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest known place > >> was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). The first > >> Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia in in the > >> 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the Croatians into > >> a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia (except the western > >> part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of present day > >> Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king died, leaving > >> no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a "personal union" > >> with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the 1400s, which is > >> about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid > >> and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the Croato-Hungarian > >> army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most of Croatia (except > >> a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia recognized the > >> monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia Later this and > >> other parts of this country would be known as The Habsburg Empire aka > >> Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was a Kingdom.... then in > >> 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) Croatia was placed into a > >> new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes... discontent > >> with the Serbian centralization of power that the pacisfist Croatian > >> Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with others was assassinated in > >> the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after which the King declared a royal > >> dictatorship... eliminating the name Croatia from maps... and creating > >> jerrymandered provinces favorable to the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian > >> seperatists, who were afillated with Croatians, > >> assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II > >> looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province > >> called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were > >> the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around > >> Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little > >> too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split into > >> 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and parts of > >> Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history.. > >> . > >> Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning > >> Saint John > >> > >> Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> Stephen Djuric wrote: > >> Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list, > >> I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I > >> just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my > >> ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but > >> here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893 > >> in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in Mrzovic, > >> Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja and Khati > >> Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary. > >> Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 in > >> Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a previous > >> marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna Krahl's > >> father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife Anna Gerber > >> born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on anyone connected > >> to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to share anything that > >> someone else might be looking for. > >> Thank You > >> Steve Djuric > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia > >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 2/08/2006 > > > > Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/

I just want to mention, history it was always written by winners not loosers... In the balkan it is always two oposite history, two truth, depend who wrote... Who really want to know history on this areas need to explore more deep in history books, but different sources and find own truth usually somewhere between... Who like to tight with each balkans nacional history that is another story... Just my 5 cent about... ---- Betty <homoki@ecn.net.au> wrote: > I think Yugoslavia came into existance sometime in 1914. It was called old > Yugoslavia (stara jugoslavia). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <khorne@adelphia.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER > > > > Hi Robert, > > > > If Yugoslavia did not come into existence until 1929, why when my great > > uncle immigrated in 1921, it says he's from Yugoslavia?? > > > > When my grandfather arrived in 1912, residence: Galgovo, Hungary > > Great Uncle in 1921: Galgovo, Jugoslavia > > > > Thanks for the info > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > ---- Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Stephen, > >> > >> Welcome to the List! > >> > >> First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only from > >> 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians first > >> migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at that > >> time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had lived in > >> present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest known place > >> was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). The first > >> Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia in in the > >> 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the Croatians into > >> a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia (except the western > >> part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of present day > >> Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king died, leaving > >> no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a "personal union" > >> with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the 1400s, which is > >> about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid > >> and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the Croato-Hungarian > >> army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most of Croatia (except > >> a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia recognized the > >> monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia Later this and > >> other parts of this country would be known as The Habsburg Empire aka > >> Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was a Kingdom.... then in > >> 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) Croatia was placed into a > >> new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes... discontent > >> with the Serbian centralization of power that the pacisfist Croatian > >> Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with others was assassinated in > >> the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after which the King declared a royal > >> dictatorship... eliminating the name Croatia from maps... and creating > >> jerrymandered provinces favorable to the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian > >> seperatists, who were afillated with Croatians, > >> assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II > >> looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province > >> called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were > >> the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around > >> Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little > >> too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split into > >> 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and parts of > >> Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history.. > >> . > >> Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning > >> Saint John > >> > >> Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> Stephen Djuric <sjdjmilw@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list, > >> I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I > >> just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my > >> ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but > >> here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893 > >> in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in Mrzovic, > >> Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja and Khati > >> Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary. > >> Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 in > >> Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a previous > >> marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna Krahl's > >> father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife Anna Gerber > >> born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on anyone connected > >> to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to share anything that > >> someone else might be looking for. > >> Thank You > >> Steve Djuric > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia > >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 2/08/2006 > > > >

Steve, I hope you took no offense and... you have no need to excuse your lack of info as American schools give such scant info about other places in the world that we were all in that same boat at one time.... and most of my classmates had little interest in history (and our current state of US politics and politians reflects this!) It is sad what the communists did to the Danube Schwabians, no other communist country in that region treated their German citizens in that manner. And once you learn about your family history you must vist Ljepa Nasa (our beautiful homeland). Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Cleveland Ohio Stephen Djuric <sjdjmilw@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Robert, Please forgive my lack of knowledge on the history of the region or my confusion of the different areas involved in my research. A lot of my information comes from bits and pieces from my 83 year old mother. The translation from what she says and what I hear isn't always in sync. I am not that far removed from the family farms. We children were born in Karlsruhe, Germany during the 11 years our part of the family spent waiting to come to America. We only recently started looking back in order to leave a little history for our children. I did not even equate the word Donauschwaben with my family until a couple of months ago. All I knew was that our losses in Slavonia opened up a chance for a good life in the United States. It will take me a little while,but I'm sure I will catch on to things. Steve Robert Jerin wrote: Stephen, Welcome to the List! First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only from 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians first migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at that time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had lived in present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest known place was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). The first Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia in in the 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the Croatians into a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia (except the western part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of present day Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king died, leaving no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a "personal union" with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the 1400s, which is about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the Croato-Hungarian army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most of Croatia (except a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia recognized the monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia Later this and other parts of this country would be known as The Habsburg Empire aka Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was a Kingdom.... then in 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) Croatia was placed into a new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes... discontent with the Serbian centralization of power that the pacisfist Croatian Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with others was assassinated in the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after which the King declared a royal dictatorship... eliminating the name Croatia from maps... and creating jerrymandered provinces favorable to the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian seperatists, who were afillated with Croatians, assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split into 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and parts of Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history.. . Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning Saint John Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest Robert Stephen Djuric wrote: Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list, I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893 in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in Mrzovic, Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja and Khati Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary. Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 in Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a previous marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna Krahl's father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife Anna Gerber born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on anyone connected to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to share anything that someone else might be looking for. Thank You Steve Djuric Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/ Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/

In 1918 it was not officially called Yugoslavia it was officially called The Kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes. Robert Betty <homoki@ecn.net.au> wrote: I want to make a correction. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia (kingdom of serbs, croats and slovenes) was proclaimed on 1 December 1918 not 1914. My fatherinlaw was born in 1918 and his birthcertificate states he was born in The Kingdom of Yugoslavia. After the second world war people in Yugoslavia refered to that period as old Yugoslavia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER >I think Yugoslavia came into existance sometime in 1914. It was called old >Yugoslavia (stara jugoslavia). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER > > >> Hi Robert, >> >> If Yugoslavia did not come into existence until 1929, why when my great >> uncle immigrated in 1921, it says he's from Yugoslavia?? >> >> When my grandfather arrived in 1912, residence: Galgovo, Hungary >> Great Uncle in 1921: Galgovo, Jugoslavia >> >> Thanks for the info >> >> Karen >> >> >> >> ---- Robert Jerin wrote: >>> Stephen, >>> >>> Welcome to the List! >>> >>> First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only >>> from 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians >>> first migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at >>> that time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had >>> lived in present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest >>> known place was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). >>> The first Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia >>> in in the 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the >>> Croatians into a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia >>> (except the western part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of >>> present day Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king >>> died, leaving no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a >>> "personal union" with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the >>> 1400s, which is about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid >>> and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the >>> Croato-Hungarian army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most >>> of Croatia (except a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia >>> recognized the monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia >>> Later this and other parts of this country would be known as The >>> Habsburg Empire aka Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was >>> a Kingdom.... then in 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) >>> Croatia was placed into a new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats >>> and Slovenes... discontent with the Serbian centralization of power that >>> the pacisfist Croatian Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with >>> others was assassinated in the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after >>> which the King declared a royal dictatorship... eliminating the name >>> Croatia from maps... and creating jerrymandered provinces favorable to >>> the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian seperatists, who were afillated with >>> Croatians, >>> assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II >>> looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province >>> called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were >>> the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around >>> Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little >>> too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split >>> into 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and >>> parts of Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history.. >>> . >>> Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning >>> Saint John >>> >>> Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Stephen Djuric wrote: >>> Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list, >>> I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I >>> just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my >>> ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but >>> here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893 >>> in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in >>> Mrzovic, Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja >>> and Khati Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary. >>> Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 >>> in Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a >>> previous marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna >>> Krahl's father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife >>> Anna Gerber born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on >>> anyone connected to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to >>> share anything that someone else might be looking for. >>> Thank You >>> Steve Djuric >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia >>> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 2/08/2006 >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 2/08/2006 > > Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/

That term may have been used on a ship manifest in 1921 but it was not the official name that official name was The Kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes (aka SHS)... that is how passports would have read and other official documents or if you have later US documents say census records or Naturalization papers of course they would use the then current name. Is that important.. I would say yes the SHS just carried out jailings and assassinations of Croatians and other non-Serbs while Yugoslavia eliminated Croatia from the map and had an official dicatorial policy... which my copy of Look Magazine from the 1930s likened to Hitler and Mussolini. However simply calling those places you mentioned Croatia is always correct as they have been part of Croatia since at least 925 AD If you are not aware Mrzovic has a church as does Semeljci And the LDS Church (Mormon) Family History Center can order parish records for Semeljci and you can rent them for $5 at the FHC near you (there are 2,000 worldwide) and view and copy them. They give a great deal of info almost like a family tree. Here is what they have Title Matièna knjiga, 1857-1900 Authors Rimokatolièka crkva. Župa Smeljci (Main Author) Note Location Film Roðeni 1875-1890 Vjenèani 1857-1900 VAULT INTL Film 1791677 Items 2-3 Umrli 1895-1899 VAULT INTL Film 1791678 Item 1 Rodeni = birth Vjencani = marriage Umrli = death They will be in the Croatian language but there are only a handful of Croatian words you need to know and you already know the names. Is Kesehkin supposed to be in Croatia? I am not familiar with this place. Perhaps it is Kesinci (called Keschinzi by the Danube Schwabians Germans) located adjacent to Semeljci and also has/had a church but LDS has no films for this parish Here is a map link to those places (Kesinci is the red star on the map) http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=45.3514&longitude=18.5586&size=big And a link to a tourism site for Osijek-Baranja county which has some photos and info about Semeljci, which appears to be a typical Slavonian village http://www.tzosbarzup.hr/content_data.php?type=odredista&id=34 And an item of interest is the Slavonian bagpipe which you will see and read about a man from Semeljci (sounds like samalytsee) who makes and played the pipes... and here we thought the Scots invented them :) http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://people.zeelandnet.nl/edvisser/Febr06/Vuksanovic%2520Adam,%2520Semeljci%2520.jpg&imgrefurl=http://gajdy.web-log.nl/&h=464&w=300&sz=46&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=gIAa4TkrlvA2uM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=83&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSemeljci%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG This is a rich farming area of Croatia, thus the folkdress, called nosnja in Croatian, are typically elaborate if you go to the link below you will see, beginning with file 21/58 nosnja from Slavonia (Slavonija in Croatian). http://www.hrvatska.nl/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=-58&pos=20 Hope this helps Robert khorne@adelphia.net wrote: Hi Robert, If Yugoslavia did not come into existence until 1929, why when my great uncle immigrated in 1921, it says he's from Yugoslavia?? When my grandfather arrived in 1912, residence: Galgovo, Hungary Great Uncle in 1921: Galgovo, Jugoslavia Thanks for the info Karen ---- Robert Jerin wrote: > Stephen, > > Welcome to the List! > > First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only from 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians first migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at that time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had lived in present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest known place was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). The first Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia in in the 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the Croatians into a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia (except the western part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of present day Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king died, leaving no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a "personal union" with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the 1400s, which is about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid > and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the Croato-Hungarian army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most of Croatia (except a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia recognized the monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia Later this and other parts of this country would be known as The Habsburg Empire aka Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was a Kingdom.... then in 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) Croatia was placed into a new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes... discontent with the Serbian centralization of power that the pacisfist Croatian Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with others was assassinated in the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after which the King declared a royal dictatorship... eliminating the name Croatia from maps... and creating jerrymandered provinces favorable to the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian seperatists, who were afillated with Croatians, > assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split into 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and parts of Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history.. > . > Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning Saint John > > Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest > > Robert > > Stephen Djuric wrote: > Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list, > I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893 in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in Mrzovic, Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja and Khati Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary. > Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 in Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a previous marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna Krahl's father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife Anna Gerber born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on anyone connected to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to share anything that someone else might be looking for. > Thank You > Steve Djuric > > > > > Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ > Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Absolutely not... In 1914 The Kingdom of Croatia was part of the Habsburg Empire. 1914 was the year that WW I began, when WW I ended in 1918 for a brief period Croatia was independent, then in 1922 The Trianon "Treaty" was signed by the Allies (the US never signed that treaty as Congress and the US people had become greatly disallusioned). That "treaty" created several new countries inc. Czechoslovakia, made up of a Czech part (Bohemia and Moravia) and a Slovak part made up of the northern counties of the Kingdom of Hungary and The Kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes. And I will just recopy what I wrote in my first message .... after the founding of the Kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes there was much "discontent with the Serbian centralization of power that the pacisfist Croatian Peasant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with others was assassinated in the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after which the King declared a royal dictatorship... eliminating the name Croatia from maps... and creating jerrymandered provinces favorable to the king.. There was no official term "old Yugoslavia" although we could call the Yugoslavia that existed from 1929 to 1941 old and the one that existed from 1945 to 1991 new. Here is a link to timeline of Croatian history http://www.hr/croatia/history/timeline Robert Betty <homoki@ecn.net.au> wrote: I think Yugoslavia came into existance sometime in 1914. It was called old Yugoslavia (stara jugoslavia). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER > Hi Robert, > > If Yugoslavia did not come into existence until 1929, why when my great > uncle immigrated in 1921, it says he's from Yugoslavia?? > > When my grandfather arrived in 1912, residence: Galgovo, Hungary > Great Uncle in 1921: Galgovo, Jugoslavia > > Thanks for the info > > Karen > > > > ---- Robert Jerin wrote: >> Stephen, >> >> Welcome to the List! >> >> First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only from >> 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians first >> migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at that >> time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had lived in >> present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest known place >> was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). The first >> Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia in in the >> 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the Croatians into >> a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia (except the western >> part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of present day >> Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king died, leaving >> no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a "personal union" >> with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the 1400s, which is >> about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid >> and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the Croato-Hungarian >> army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most of Croatia (except >> a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia recognized the >> monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia Later this and >> other parts of this country would be known as The Habsburg Empire aka >> Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was a Kingdom.... then in >> 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) Croatia was placed into a >> new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes... discontent >> with the Serbian centralization of power that the pacisfist Croatian >> Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with others was assassinated in >> the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after which the King declared a royal >> dictatorship... eliminating the name Croatia from maps... and creating >> jerrymandered provinces favorable to the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian >> seperatists, who were afillated with Croatians, >> assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II >> looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province >> called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were >> the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around >> Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little >> too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split into >> 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and parts of >> Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history.. >> . >> Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning >> Saint John >> >> Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest >> >> Robert >> >> Stephen Djuric wrote: >> Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list, >> I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I >> just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my >> ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but >> here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893 >> in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in Mrzovic, >> Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja and Khati >> Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary. >> Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 in >> Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a previous >> marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna Krahl's >> father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife Anna Gerber >> born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on anyone connected >> to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to share anything that >> someone else might be looking for. >> Thank You >> Steve Djuric >> >> >> >> >> Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >> > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 2/08/2006 > > Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia http://www.kollander-travel.com/

Hi Robert, If Yugoslavia did not come into existence until 1929, why when my great uncle immigrated in 1921, it says he's from Yugoslavia?? When my grandfather arrived in 1912, residence: Galgovo, Hungary Great Uncle in 1921: Galgovo, Jugoslavia Thanks for the info Karen ---- Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: > Stephen, > > Welcome to the List! > > First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only from 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians first migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at that time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had lived in present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest known place was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). The first Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia in in the 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the Croatians into a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia (except the western part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of present day Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king died, leaving no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a "personal union" with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the 1400s, which is about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid > and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the Croato-Hungarian army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most of Croatia (except a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia recognized the monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia Later this and other parts of this country would be known as The Habsburg Empire aka Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was a Kingdom.... then in 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) Croatia was placed into a new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes... discontent with the Serbian centralization of power that the pacisfist Croatian Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with others was assassinated in the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after which the King declared a royal dictatorship... eliminating the name Croatia from maps... and creating jerrymandered provinces favorable to the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian seperatists, who were afillated with Croatians, > assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split into 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and parts of Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history.. > . > Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning Saint John > > Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest > > Robert > > Stephen Djuric <sjdjmilw@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list, > I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893 in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in Mrzovic, Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja and Khati Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary. > Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 in Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a previous marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna Krahl's father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife Anna Gerber born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on anyone connected to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to share anything that someone else might be looking for. > Thank You > Steve Djuric > > > > > Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia > http://www.kollander-travel.com/ >