Hazel, It's good to hear from you as well! You mentioned that Gideon (son of Joseph and Massie) had an older brother named John. I show this as well. When I said Gideon was the "oldest", I meant that he was the "oldest" of the four brothers who moved from VA to NC. To my knowledge, John never left VA, although I don't know that for sure. Actually, I know very little about this John. You mentioned that he married Sarah, his first cousin and d/o his uncle Andrew. However, I show this Sarah marrying Thomas Stanley III (who ironically was also her first cousin). Do you have her marriage to Thomas Stanley III as well? Dan