Hi All, This may not clear anything up, but, it's from a set of books entitled "Cherokee By Blood" by Jerry Wright Jordan. Some of you have mentioned it before. David "3297 Jeremiah Hubbard, Rejected. Claims through Phoebe Crews. Report following: Report as to application of Jeremiah Hubbard #3297, and other applicants claiming through Phoebe Goochee, or Dutch, wife of Hardy Crews, and her daughters Ann Crews, wife of Joseph Hubbard, and Mary Crews wife of Hugh Meredith. More than one hundred applications have been filed based exclusively upon the alleged Cherokee Indian blood of Phoebe Goochee, or Dutch, wife of Hardy Crews. It appears from the applications and from the papers filed in the case, that Phoebe Crews lived in Person County, North Carolina, and died there prior to 1800. The date of her birth cannot be exactly stated, but her daughter Mary was born in 1752. Her daughters Ann and Mary both died in 1812, and Mary Crews Meredith, dying in 1823. Their descendants have been considerably scattered, apparently some going to Guilford County, N.C., and afterwards removing to Indiana, and from their to Indian Territory or Oklahoma. Mary Crews Meredith apparently lived a part of the time in Bedford County, Virginia, as her son John was born there in 1779. Person, Stokes and Guilford counties, North Carolina, were never within the recognized domain of the Cherokee nation, and there were not Cherokee lands anywhere near those counties after the year 1777. In 1835 the Cherokee domain did not extend within 200 miles of these counties. There is nothin in the case to indicate that any of these claimants, or their ancestors back to Phoebe Crews, have lived with any tribe of Indians after the marriage of the said Phoebe to her white husband Hardy Crews. One of the descendants of Ann Crews Hubbard, Caroline Newby Painter (a great-grand-daughter) was born in Indiana as early as 1833(see application #41017), and one of the descendants of Mary Crews Meredith (a great-grand-daughter), Ann E. Starbuck, was born in Wayne County, Indiana, in 1829, (see application #42866). According to all the information at hand, and the testimony taken in the case, (see Misc. Test. Pages 2285 and 3175), these claimants have always been recognized as white people and have not lived among the Indians except as they have in recent years lived among the Cherokees of Oklahoma where some members of the family have made strenuous effort to be recognized and enrolled as Cherokee Indians. These efforts have uniformly failed. One of these claimants, Florence A. Mason, herself 22 years of age, files application #41041, and she is the great-great-great-great-great-grand-daughter of the Indian ancestor, Phoebe Dutch Crews, and she is still living in Indiana. From some of the statements in the case it does appear that Jeremiah Hubbard, the son of Ann Crews Hubbard, had some dealings with the Cherokee People about the time of the treaty of 1835, and it seems probably that he was used either as an interpreter or as an attorney in presenting the claims of the Cherokees in Washington, but the fact also seems to be that he was picked up by the Cherokee delegation on its way to Washington, as he at that time lived a very long distance from the Cherokee reservation. No one of these claimants was enrolled in 1851, not does the name of any one of the parents appear on that roll, or on the roll of 1835. The family was well-known and there is no possibility that they could have been enrolled under Indian names. It is perfectly plain from the applications and the papers filed therewith that neither these parties, nor their ancestors, were recognized members of the Eastern Cherokee tribe of Indians in 1835-6 or 1846. These claims are therefore all rejected."