Dan, Yes, I think you have me fairly routed back from Mary WICKER & Thomas CREWS, s/o James & Amelia CREWS. So I will now try to show you a different route. Benjamin WHICKER, Sr. had Benjamin, Jr. (the James & Amelia line). Ben., Sr. also had Jemima WHICKER (sis to Benj., Jr.) who md. Gideon CREWS. It is through Gideon that I creep back into the line again. Gideon, husb. of Jemima, was the son of Joseph & Massey (Johns(ton) CREWS. They had Thomas CREWS & Mary TALLEY. Thomas & Mary TALLEY had Conny CREWS who md. Benjamin WHICKER. That Benjamin (a new Benjamin here) was the son of James R. WHICKER & his 1st wife, Mary DEAN. They had Eli WHICKER who had James Yancy WICKER who md. Hannah L. CREWS. They had John Wesley WICKER who md. Melissia CREWS. They had Charles F. WICKER who had ME. My mother was a "foreigner" to the CREWS/WICKER line. She was an ELLIOTT. It is through her line I also have an ancestor who was in the Bacon Rebellion. Think I explained this to Pat & Bren. I should have included you but here it is. Wild, isn't it! Hazel