I'm back from our little mini-vacation and see that you all took a little time, too. I hope you all are having a good new year. It seems a little quiet around here so I assume you are either getting caught up on your database or have been talking to relatives for more info and have lots more data on your family. No? Me, neither. But I will! Get caught up, that is. I've pumped my family relentlessly and only have a few more questions in that regard. Soon. First of all, Dan - don't believe it when Hazel says that she "creeps" back into the CREWS line. She jumps back in feet first and there's nothing creepy about it! It's truly amazing! And do not apologize for anything you bring up. You haven't confused matters more. We can't be confused more than we are already! <G> We NEED to discuss Col. James CREWS and the CARTERs and all that stuff. And you've come up with references that we didn't have. That deserves a "thank you"! Besides, this stuff is so fascinating! I tried that internet address <www.cascade. net/~monalisa/gedcom/notes/carg3892.htm> and the program couldn't find it. Do I have it right? I'd very much like to see that discussion re Col. James & Hannah, etc. I have a desc. chart for Giles CARTER, but it doesn't pertain unless we find out his wife's true identity. In looking back at what I have on the subject I have run across a note from Mike Carter that looks like it is exactly what you were saying the discussion is about. He believes the CREWs and the CARTERs were related in England from some older information. From the English will of Daniel LLEWELLEN he thinks that James CREWS had been married to his daughter, Margaret LLEWELLEN. (Hence, Margaret CREWES) He believes that Giles CARTER was married to a dau. of John ROWEN since Giles was a beneficiary in ROWENs' will. Makes sense. And he thinks John ROWEN was a relative of Daniel LLEWELLEN. "James CREWES of Charles City VA was a merchant and the agent of Daniel LLEWELLEN and sometime after the death of John ROWEN, Giles CARTER was most likely the overseer for James CREWS. Giles and his family lived on James CREWS' Turkey Island Plantation on the James River. James CREWS seems to have a grudge against the Indians. It is possible that his wife and children (if he had any) were killed by Indians. In any event he encourages Nathaniel BACON to lead the planters on the frontier against the Indians...against the wishes of the governor of VA, Wm. BERKELEY. This leads to Bacons Rebellion in 1676 or so." I have a copy of the last will and testament of John ROWEN. Witnessed by Richard PARKER(?), Wm. FISHER and Margaret CREWS. dated 1 May 1662. So Margaret was alive just 4 years before James died. Will of James CREWES is dated 23 Jul 1676 and he mentions "...all my wordly estate, either here in Virginia in England or elsewhere..." He calls Giles CARTER "...my loving friend...". Others mentioned in the will are Mary CARTER, d/o Giles; Susan CARTER; Hannah CARTER wife to Giles; Theodrick CARTER s/o Hannah & Giles; Mathew CREWS "cozen" (cousin) The petition of Sarah WHITTINGHAM and Matthew CREWS mentions that it was filed in the Court at Varina 1 Dec 1680. Now I wonder where Varina was located. If it was in England, that would show that they both were living there. The two attorneys for Sarah and Matthew in 1680 appointed Wm. RANDOLPH of Henrico Co to be their attorney to handle the estate. That would mean to me that they were ALL living in England EXCEPT Wm. RANDOLPH. from Karen Wood: "I cannot buy the connection between Hanna and John ROWEN, who left Giles use of a house for a year, and a cow, but didn't mention Hannah. He predeceased CREWES by several years. After a year Giles' house went to ROWEN's brother, Henry. Again, that might just be English law and Hannah was just not named, but I would think that she would have been listed and perhaps given a bed etc." Here's something interesting. James' will mentions his "cozen" Matthew, and we know that his brother Francis had a son named Mathew which would make him James' nephew. That is two Matthews. And that explains why his niece and nephew had to petition for a part of the estate. I had the impression that nephew Mathew had part left to him but he wanted it all. I'm picturing his cousin Matthew living in VA with his own estate. He doesn't need James' plantation to live in so that is why James puts Giles & Hannah there. They are to manage it but some of the proceeds probably go to Matthew. And that is probably all old hat to most CARTER researchers. Oh, well. I feel that if Hannah had been a sister or other relative, then James CREWES would have left the estate to her and not just given her and Giles "use" of it. He wanted the plantation to stay in the family and if Hannah had been family, wouldn't he have just left it to her, or to her and Matthew both? Maybe Hannah was sister to Margaret making her his sister-in-law? She wouldn't have been a blood relative but close enough for some bequest. Hannahs' children would have been nieces & nephews to James, close enough to receive their bequests of 10,000 lbs of tobacco, etc. But Giles would have been his brother-in-law and I would think he would call him "brother" and the children "niece" instead of "dau. of Giles CARTER" I'm going in circles! That's more than enough of this subject for one day. And way too much speculation! .................................. Turning to other things. Joanne (Gus) I entered some Desc. Charts from the Ancestral File not too long ago, but I'm not sure I ever posted it on the BB. Please look at Armisby CREWS #197. I found that several of his gch didn't have their children entered in the db. These are all children of Fannie CREWS, his dau. Littleberry DIGGS - 6 children & several gch. Wm. DIGGS - 6 children Armsberry DIGGS - 9 children Benj. DIGGS - 2 ch. 14 gch Do you have these? If you need more detail, ask. You mentioned that you learned how to access the archives for this list. I, for one, would really like to know more! Here's some odds & ends I found in RootsWeb searches. I haven't gone back too far just yet, but plan to do so later. from Bob Hehto <[email protected]> Subject: DUNAWAY Orange Co, FL. 26 Jun 1997 Jefferson CREWS m. Mary DUNAWAY b. c1858/9 sister of Florida DUNAWAY who was b. 7 Feb 1861 & married Maxfield C. AYERS in Bartow, FL 5 Dec 1879 and d. Polk Co, 20 Feb 1914. I can't place Jefferson. from mkozy <[email protected]> Subject Wm. & Edward DUKE of Culpeper Co, Va 9 Jun 1997 Edward DUKE m. Mary VAUGHT and they had at least: 1. Malinda (my ancestor) m. John WARNER of Culpeper Co, Va; m. (2) James CREWS (my ancestor) They had one surviving son, Albert CREWS 2. George Washington DUKE 3. Richard DUKE Malinda & John WARNER eventually picked up and moved to KY for a time, and then on to OH and IL, ending up in Lawrence Co, IL. Is that where she m. James CREWS? I haven't place James, either. from Annette (Carpenter) Womack <[email protected]> Subject: Heads of Morgan Co, GA 27 Oct 1997 1--HEAD 2--JAMES HEAD (1805-1857) ,GA sp--Permelia "Penna" STEVENS (1814-) ,SC 3--Margaret HEAD (1837- ) of, Morgan, GA 3--Martha HEAD (1839- ) of, Morgan, GA 3--Wiley M. HEAD (1841-1886) of, Morgan, GA sp--Jeanette BROWN sp--Anna Eliza PERRY 3--David Camille HEAD (1845-1920) of, Morgan GA sp--Palistine VARNELL (1845- ) ,Rankin, MS, USA 3--John Patterson Duncan HEAD (1846-1917) #16021 in database - Madison, Morgan, GA sp--Sarah A. RUDDELL (1845-1886) ,MS sp--Martha Elizabeth CREWS (1866-1930) ,MS #16017 3--Permelia HEAD (1849- ) of, Morgan, GA 3--Mary E. HEAD (1846- ) ,GA sp--Edward Lafayette McCARTY (18380- ) ,MS 3--Phelix HEAD (1857-1900) ,GA sp--Ellen (1860- ) 2--Marshall HEAD (1805- ) of, Morgan, GA sp--Matilda (1818- ) of, Morgan, GA 3--Marshall M. HEAD (1847- ) of, Morgan, GA 3--William R. HEAD (1848- ) of, Morgan, GA from Michael D. Divine <[email protected]> Subject: STOKES, BRADDOCK and DIVINE 6 Jun 1997 Elbert Greenberry STOKES (#10001) b. 8/21/1812 SC m. 1830 to Victoria Courtney CREWS in Charlton Co, GA, d. 9/18/1894 St. George, GA. The line from him leads to the remaining STOKES living in Jacksonville, FL today. Later, Pat