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Hi, don't no if this will help, but I have seem on the 1850 census for Marion Co. KY, Gideon Crews age 62 born in VA Elizabeth Crews age 67 born in VA Richard Crews age 28 born in VA All these were in the same household. I was looking at a different set of Crews at the time, but I took these names down because you never know when you might find out who is related to who. I beleive I found the census on the Marion Co. site on Rootsweb. Hope this helps. David Hughes Got a hobby to share or just want a personal home page ? Build your own web site for free at http://www.homestead.com

Hello Hazel, I've been working seriously on my family history for about 2 years and my husband's (of whom the Crews and Whickers are ancestors of) for about a year. I am hooked! It is tremendously fun! So, I am probably pretty "green" compared to many on these lists! Thanks again for everyone's input and assistance! Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Knight" <hknight@jobe.net> To: <CREWS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: [CREWS-L] Massey CREWS discussion > Dan, > I re-read your post and indeed I didn't take it as you meant it. Sorry. > It has been a long while since I have worked these files but have gone back > and taken a look. So easy to get confused when there are so many people with > the same names many living within the same time frame. Anyway, let me try > and lay out what I have regarding Sara and John. > John, son of Joseph CREW and Massey JOHNS(T)ON, b. 1727/28 md. 1st Sara > CREWS > dau. of Andrew CREWS. (John MAY have md. 2nd Ann M. Royster; unproven.) As > of Oct. 1995 I have been unable to determine who the mother of this Sara > CREWS was, nor consequently the parents of her father, Andrew. The marriage > of John and Sara is shown as Feb. 1755. > > Now I have another Sara CREW b. 16 Dec. 1728, d/o Andrew I. CREW and Hannah > ELLYSON. Before 1 March 1755 she md. Thomas STANLEY, b. 9 Feb. 1731, s/o > Thomas STANLEY b. 1689 & Elizabeth CREW b. 1704. (Elizabeth was the dau. of > John CREW & Sarah GATLEY.) > > Would these Sara's be one and the same person who md. abt. Feb./March 1755; > John, s/o Joseph & Massey and again, Thomas STANLEY? Which one came first? > What about the Royster marriage? I can't get a handle on this, much less > any proof. Do you have further clues? > > Remember, we are not to confuse these Sara's with the Sarah who md. John, > s/o Thomas WHICKER & Massey CREWS. > > Kay, if you are really new at all this, you've no idea what a tangled web it > all becomes.....but FUN!! > Hazel > > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Dan, I re-read your post and indeed I didn't take it as you meant it. Sorry. It has been a long while since I have worked these files but have gone back and taken a look. So easy to get confused when there are so many people with the same names many living within the same time frame. Anyway, let me try and lay out what I have regarding Sara and John. John, son of Joseph CREW and Massey JOHNS(T)ON, b. 1727/28 md. 1st Sara CREWS dau. of Andrew CREWS. (John MAY have md. 2nd Ann M. Royster; unproven.) As of Oct. 1995 I have been unable to determine who the mother of this Sara CREWS was, nor consequently the parents of her father, Andrew. The marriage of John and Sara is shown as Feb. 1755. Now I have another Sara CREW b. 16 Dec. 1728, d/o Andrew I. CREW and Hannah ELLYSON. Before 1 March 1755 she md. Thomas STANLEY, b. 9 Feb. 1731, s/o Thomas STANLEY b. 1689 & Elizabeth CREW b. 1704. (Elizabeth was the dau. of John CREW & Sarah GATLEY.) Would these Sara's be one and the same person who md. abt. Feb./March 1755; John, s/o Joseph & Massey and again, Thomas STANLEY? Which one came first? What about the Royster marriage? I can't get a handle on this, much less any proof. Do you have further clues? Remember, we are not to confuse these Sara's with the Sarah who md. John, s/o Thomas WHICKER & Massey CREWS. Kay, if you are really new at all this, you've no idea what a tangled web it all becomes.....but FUN!! Hazel

Hazel, It's good to hear from you as well! You mentioned that Gideon (son of Joseph and Massie) had an older brother named John. I show this as well. When I said Gideon was the "oldest", I meant that he was the "oldest" of the four brothers who moved from VA to NC. To my knowledge, John never left VA, although I don't know that for sure. Actually, I know very little about this John. You mentioned that he married Sarah, his first cousin and d/o his uncle Andrew. However, I show this Sarah marrying Thomas Stanley III (who ironically was also her first cousin). Do you have her marriage to Thomas Stanley III as well? Dan

Hi Dan, Nice to hear from you again! In reading your message to Kay, I note you mention James & Amelia's oldest son to be Gideon who md. Jemima WHICKER. I show the oldest son to be John born (just prior to Gideon) about 1727/28 and died abt. 1814/1816. John md. first Sarah CREWS, dau. of Andrew CREWS which made John and Sarah first cousins. John MAY have md. 2nd Ann Mourning Roster however his second marriage has not been proven. Best regards, Hazel hknight@jobe.net

Dan, You hit the nail on the head! Thank you for all of your information! I don't have alot on this line yet, but the following is what I do have: 1.Thomas Whicker sp. Massey Crews 2. Samuel Whicker (c1788 NC -1835 OH) 2. John Whicker (1790 NC - bef1850) 2. William Whicker (aft 1790 NC - ?) 2. Andrew Whicker (c1792 Va - ?) sp. Mary Williams 3. Mary Jane Wicker (1832NC-? Lee Co.KY) sp. David Johnson (1837 VA-1900-1910 LeeCo KY) 4. Thomas B. Johnson 4. Amanda Maude Johnson 4. Andrew Jackson Johnson 4. Anna Francis Johnson 4. James Lilburn Johnson 4. Amelia Johnson 4. Rachel Johnson (1866 KY - 1955 KY) sp.Thomas Philpot (1854 KY - 1910-20KY) (Rachel and Thomas are my husband's g grandparents). If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me! Kay Philpot ----- Original Message ----- From: <DSFawcett@aol.com> To: <CREWS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [CREWS-L] Massey Crews > Kay, > > I do not know the answer to your question for certain, but here is a > reasonable guess. > > Massey MAY have been the daughter of James Crew and Amelia <Unknown>, and > granddaughter of Joseph Crew and Massie (Massey) Johnson. (Massie Johnson > was supposedly a descendant of Lord Anthony Ashley-Cooper. Joseph Crew was a > son of John Crew and Sarah Gatley of Charles City County, VA). > > James was one of at least four brothers who moved to NC from VA. Two of the > brothers, Gideon and Caleb, died in Granville Co., NC. The oldest brother > Gideon married a Jemima Whicker. Gideon and Jemima are my ancestors. > > The youngest brother, Thomas died in Stokes Co., NC. I am not sure where > James died, but several of his children were born or died in Stokes County, > NC. > > From information that others have provided me, I show that James had a > daughter named Massie who died in Stokes County. I have no information on > who she married, but she would have been approximately 17 years old on the > date you show for the marriage. This sounds like she is a good candidate to > me. > > Below is an UNOFFICIAL descendant chart. I hope it helps! If you have > information on the descendants of Massey Crews and Thomas Whicker, would you > mind posting this information to the list? Thanks. > > Dan Fawcett > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * > 1-Joseph Crew (1698-by 7 Apr 1759) > sp: Massie Johnson (bef 5 Feb 1705-) > 2-Abigail Crews (abt 1726-) > 2-John Crews (1728-) > 2-Gideon Crews (1730-abt 16 Oct 1815) > sp: Jemima Wicker (1739-1826) > 3-Mildred Crews (abt 1774-) > 3-Abigail Crews (1775-aft 1850) > 3-Gideon Crews (2 Sep 1779-6 May 1859) > 3-Elizabeth Crews (abt 1780-) > 3-Joseph Crews (1782-bef 1810) > 3-James Crews (2 Jul 1785-28 Sep 1875) > 3-Littleberry Crews (abt 1787-1 Oct 1855) > 3-Jemima Crews (1787-1825) > 2-David Crews (abt 1734-) > 2-Martha Crews (abt 1736-7 Apr 1759) > 2-Caleb Crews (abt 1738-abt Feb 1814) > sp: Elizabeth ? (-bef 1814) > 3-Mary Crews (-) > 3-Massey Crews (bef 1806-bef 1812) > 3-Oney Crews (-) > 3-Elizabeth Crews (-) > 3-Meredith Crews (8 May 1783-31 Jul 1869) > 2-Elizabeth Crews (-) > 2-James Crews (abt 1745-abt 1831) > sp: Amelia ? (abt 1750-bef 1831) > 3-Thomas Crews (abt 1766-1846) > 3-Massey Crews (abt 1769-aft 1818) > 3-Mary Crews (abt 1770-) > 3-Reuben Crews (1773-1857) > 3-William Crews (Mar 1778-1 Apr 1834) > 3-Mildred Crews (1781-1843) > 3-Elizabeth Crews (abt 1784-) > 2-Thomas Crews (abt 1750-Mar 1841) > sp: Mary Talley (abt 1752-1836) > 3-Sarah Crews (17 Jun 1775-1845) > 3-Martha Crews (27 Feb 1777-20 Jan 1842) > 3-Ashley Crews (abt 1779-) > 3-Mary Crews (1781-) > 3-Ursula Crews (14 May 1785-8 Nov 1867) > 3-Connie Crews (31 Jul 1787-18 Mar 1855 > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Thanks to all of you who have responded to my post. I just joined this list yesterday and you all have be a tremendous help to me already! Kay Philpot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jordan" <jorbob@webtv.net> To: <CREWS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 11:11 PM Subject: [CREWS-L] Re: Massey Crews > I am looking for information on Massey Crews, mar. Thomas Whicker 1786 > Granville, North Carolina. > Thank you, > Kay Philpot > KPhilpot@netzero.ne > > I have Massey Crews (b.c. 1769 VA - d. aft.1818 Stokes Co. NC) m. 1786 > Granv. Co. Thomas Whicker, son of Benj. Whicker (Wicker) Jr. She was > da. of James Crews (c.1745-1831) and Emelia (?). James Crews was son of > Joseph Crews and Massy Johnson of Hanover and New Kent Cos. VA. > > Bob Jordan > jorbob@webtv.net > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

I am looking for information on Massey Crews, mar. Thomas Whicker 1786 Granville, North Carolina. Thank you, Kay Philpot KPhilpot@netzero.ne I have Massey Crews (b.c. 1769 VA - d. aft.1818 Stokes Co. NC) m. 1786 Granv. Co. Thomas Whicker, son of Benj. Whicker (Wicker) Jr. She was da. of James Crews (c.1745-1831) and Emelia (?). James Crews was son of Joseph Crews and Massy Johnson of Hanover and New Kent Cos. VA. Bob Jordan jorbob@webtv.net

Joseph and Massey Johnson's son John, b. 1729 seems like a good candidate for my John who d. in Wake Co., NC 1799. I seem to recall that someone on the list had info on this John but I have lost it. I can't seem to get beyond him and need any kind of info. DJ

Kay, I do not know the answer to your question for certain, but here is a reasonable guess. Massey MAY have been the daughter of James Crew and Amelia <Unknown>, and granddaughter of Joseph Crew and Massie (Massey) Johnson. (Massie Johnson was supposedly a descendant of Lord Anthony Ashley-Cooper. Joseph Crew was a son of John Crew and Sarah Gatley of Charles City County, VA). James was one of at least four brothers who moved to NC from VA. Two of the brothers, Gideon and Caleb, died in Granville Co., NC. The oldest brother Gideon married a Jemima Whicker. Gideon and Jemima are my ancestors. The youngest brother, Thomas died in Stokes Co., NC. I am not sure where James died, but several of his children were born or died in Stokes County, NC. From information that others have provided me, I show that James had a daughter named Massie who died in Stokes County. I have no information on who she married, but she would have been approximately 17 years old on the date you show for the marriage. This sounds like she is a good candidate to me. Below is an UNOFFICIAL descendant chart. I hope it helps! If you have information on the descendants of Massey Crews and Thomas Whicker, would you mind posting this information to the list? Thanks. Dan Fawcett * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1-Joseph Crew (1698-by 7 Apr 1759) sp: Massie Johnson (bef 5 Feb 1705-) 2-Abigail Crews (abt 1726-) 2-John Crews (1728-) 2-Gideon Crews (1730-abt 16 Oct 1815) sp: Jemima Wicker (1739-1826) 3-Mildred Crews (abt 1774-) 3-Abigail Crews (1775-aft 1850) 3-Gideon Crews (2 Sep 1779-6 May 1859) 3-Elizabeth Crews (abt 1780-) 3-Joseph Crews (1782-bef 1810) 3-James Crews (2 Jul 1785-28 Sep 1875) 3-Littleberry Crews (abt 1787-1 Oct 1855) 3-Jemima Crews (1787-1825) 2-David Crews (abt 1734-) 2-Martha Crews (abt 1736-7 Apr 1759) 2-Caleb Crews (abt 1738-abt Feb 1814) sp: Elizabeth ? (-bef 1814) 3-Mary Crews (-) 3-Massey Crews (bef 1806-bef 1812) 3-Oney Crews (-) 3-Elizabeth Crews (-) 3-Meredith Crews (8 May 1783-31 Jul 1869) 2-Elizabeth Crews (-) 2-James Crews (abt 1745-abt 1831) sp: Amelia ? (abt 1750-bef 1831) 3-Thomas Crews (abt 1766-1846) 3-Massey Crews (abt 1769-aft 1818) 3-Mary Crews (abt 1770-) 3-Reuben Crews (1773-1857) 3-William Crews (Mar 1778-1 Apr 1834) 3-Mildred Crews (1781-1843) 3-Elizabeth Crews (abt 1784-) 2-Thomas Crews (abt 1750-Mar 1841) sp: Mary Talley (abt 1752-1836) 3-Sarah Crews (17 Jun 1775-1845) 3-Martha Crews (27 Feb 1777-20 Jan 1842) 3-Ashley Crews (abt 1779-) 3-Mary Crews (1781-) 3-Ursula Crews (14 May 1785-8 Nov 1867) 3-Connie Crews (31 Jul 1787-18 Mar 1855

> Subject: Re: [CREWS-L] John Crews of Bedford CO VA > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:29:51 -0000 > From: "Donna Porter" <dmp@ev1.net> > To: CREWS-L@rootsweb.com > > Patrick, > I have a David (Milton?) Crews who settled in this same area of Bedford > Co VA. Were on waters of Elk Crk, small tributary to the Roanoak River near > Johnson's Mt. David and first wife Annie Magee had a dau born in Bedford Co > in 1767. In the later 1770s David bought and sold several pieces of property > along Elk Crk before moving to KY, the Boonesborough area. This David was > the son of David Crews and Mary Stanley. It has been rumored he had a > brother named John Crews but that has never been positively proven last I > heard. David and bro John entered into a lawsuit in KY in later years over > land. Someone else out there may can shed more light on subject as my > research in this area is several years old. Donna: Is there any chance that this David who moved to the Boonesborough area had a son Thomas CRUSE/CREWS, who married Rachel E. BARNHILL (b. 15 Oct 1805; dau. of James BARNHILL and Hannah BOONE) before 1820 in what is now Oldham Co, Kentucky? Thomas Lee

I am still trying to find the parents of Albert Cruse/Crews. He married Roxanne BOWEN in 1888 Georgia, then married a Mary abt 1904 Georgia or Alabama, married a Carrie in Alabama, then married Olive Tennessee Waites in about 1925 in Alabama. I have been unable to locate him after 1930 in Birmingham, Al. If anyone connects, please let me know. In the city directory, he uses both Cruse and Crews. Thanks, Glenda Hamaker

I have a John Crews who d. 1799 Wake Co., NC, who surely must have come from Va. between 1790 and 1799 as he is not in NC 1790 census. His wife was Naomi possibly Minor. We've tried to connect him to various Crews folk in Va. with no success, only speculation. If this fits in anywhere with any Crews family, we're stuck and need help. The only clue I've run across was a newspaper article of 1794 saying his son, "of Sussex" had deserted the Va. militia. DJ

Looking for parents of Martin & Richard Cruse/Crews. Martin b.1807 KY, Richard b. abt.1812 KY. All records I can find indicate the generation of Cruse before them in Madison Co.,KY were Crews and from VA. Anyone have a VA Crews with sons named Martin & Richard? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I am looking for information on Massey Crews, mar. Thomas Whicker 1786 Granville, North Carolina. Thank you, Kay Philpot KPhilpot@netzero.net

Patrick, I have a David (Milton?) Crews who settled in this same area of Bedford Co VA. Were on waters of Elk Crk, small tributary to the Roanoak River near Johnson's Mt. David and first wife Annie Magee had a dau born in Bedford Co in 1767. In the later 1770s David bought and sold several pieces of property along Elk Crk before moving to KY, the Boonesborough area. This David was the son of David Crews and Mary Stanley. It has been rumored he had a brother named John Crews but that has never been positively proven last I heard. David and bro John entered into a lawsuit in KY in later years over land. Someone else out there may can shed more light on subject as my research in this area is several years old. Donna Porter ----- Original Message ----- From: <PatAnder73@aol.com> To: <CREWS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 2:01 AM Subject: [CREWS-L] John Crews of Bedford CO VA > Does anybody know anything about this man > > John Crews > Virginia Land Patent 04/06/1769 in Bedford Co > 146a north or east branches of Elk Creek at Buck Mountain & Flemings Mountain > Patents 38/540 > > I suspect he is the father of my Joseph Crews but I ahve no data on John's > family. > > Joseph Crews married Polly Elder June 18, 1792 in Campbell Co which was > formed out of Bedford. > > Patrick J. Anderson > http://members.aol.com/patander73/home.html > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=patanderson > 9654 Baltimore Avenue, Laurel, Maryland 20723 > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

I have Littleberry Crews b. @ 1776 in VA marrying Rachel Davidson (b. @1788) on July 14, 1800. I have their children as William B., Elizabeth S., Susannah Jane, Keziah, Francis P., Alfred Hunter. Francis P. married Joel Spires. I believe Joel to be the brother of Elijah Spires. William B. married Frances Mullins. Their daughter Rachel Frances b. 4 Aug 1850 married Augustus Ryder Spires s/o Elijah Spires. Rachel and Augustus are my gggrandparents. I have other info on Spires and Crews. Judy

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On the 1850 census for Marion Co. KY, I found Pg Ln DW FM Last Name First Age Sex 412b 25 248 248 Spires, Joel 35 M " 26 " " " , Frances P. 34 F " 27 " " " , Samuel D. 11 M " 28 " " " , Rachael E. 9 F " 29 " " " , Mary A. 6 F " 30 " " " , Elvira J. 5 F " 31 " " " , Martha E. 2 F " 32 " " " , John B. 6/12 M " 33 " " Crews , Lunica 17 F " 34 " " " , Francis 14 F " 35 " " " , Ando? 10 M " 36 " " " , Littleberry 73 M Does anyone know if this Littleberry Crews is the one b. 1776 m. Rachael Davidson? Anyone know the relationship of the Spires to the Crews? I have found out that Frances P. Spires' maiden name was Crews, but not how she is related to these other Crews. Any and all info would be greatly appreciated. David Hughes Got a hobby to share or just want a personal home page ? Build your own web site for free at http://www.homestead.com