Pat, Thank you for the info. Donna

Pat Ray said: > They're spending about $11,000 on all that and yes, I did finally join >RootsWeb as a sponsor so we're supporting that effort! Amen, Pat! Many of the thousands and thousands of $ spent on RootsWeb comes right out of Dr. Leverich's pocket. Actually, we should *all* be supporting RootsWeb, when you figure all they do for the online genealogical community - free space for USGenWeb county pages, surname mailing lists, regional mailing lists, ROOTS-L....I could go on and on but best read about all their good works at: http://www.rootsweb.com/ As I recall, it costs $12 a year to become a member of RootsWeb and $24 a year to become a sponsor. I can assure you, it will be among the best dollars you have ever spent on your hobby/obsession. Commercial is over. Resume regular programming. Carole Palmer Webster County KYGenWeb page sponsor http://www.usroots.com/~cpalmer/index.htm Mirror site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kywebste/

Dan, Has Pat or Bren answered your message of Saturday? For whatever it is worth, re: your (1) The John you speak of I show as the son of Andrew I. CREW & Hannah Ellyson. (Not the son of Joseph). (3) I think your web page is in error. Sarah (who md. Thomas) was the dau.of Andrew. Sara Crew born 16 Dec. 1728 md. Thomas Stanley before 1 March 1755. Per above, she was the d/o Andrew I. CREW & Hannah ELLYSON. At least this is what I show. How do Pat & Bren stand on this? Hazel

Pat, Dan & Gray, Gray, I am so glad you talked Pat into putting Dan's message about the court case murder so we could all read it!! In addition to my interest in this whole CREWS murder etc., I have a Wicker ancestor whose wife was a niece to Robert E. Lee so here again...how fascinating! Hazel

RootsWeb is now upgrading their systems. Yesterday they "moved our main Web server onto a new pair of load-balanced T1 connections to the Net's core mesh, so we now have a total of 4 T1s' worth of outbound bandwidth. " Sometime in the next 48 hours and maybe they did it this afternoon, they are doubling the memory to 512 MB of DRAM, so they'll take it offline for a couple of hrs. I don't know if that will afftect us, but if you do have a problem uploading, don't worry. Just try again later. You may be interested in knowing that the next thing is to upgrade the search engine to a GB of DRAM and 45 GB of very high-speed RAID-5 disk storage. Then they'll reindex the list archives and the USGenWeb archives and give Marc Nozell all the space he'll ever need for the list archiver! They're spending about $11,000 on all that and yes, I did finally join RootsWeb as a sponsor so we're supporting that effort! Pat

In a message dated 98-01-10 14:35:25 EST, you write: << I have very little on John CREWS s/o Joseph & Massie. I show b/d 1727/8 Hanover Co, VA; d/d 1814/16 in Leaburg Co, Va; mou 1755 to ____? No children listed. I have even less on David CREWS, his brother. Only b/d 1734 Hanover Co, Va Don't even know if he married. And their brother Joseph, b. 1733/4 Hanover Co, Va; mou to ___? No children listed. Poor guys! They look lonely! Anyone else have more on them? Pat >> John's first wife, Sarah Crews , dau. of Andrew Crews was his first cousin. John may have married 2nd Ann Mourning Royster. 2nd marriage not proved. 1 John CREWS b: 1727-1728 in Hanover Co, VA d: 1814-1816 in Leaburg Co, VA .. +Sarah CREWS m: 1 Feb 1755 Father: Andrew CREWS

Joanne, Thank you for the previous posts of Rose Crews. I have not met her, but did leave a message on her machine once and got no reply. I believe she is rather shy and even publishes her work in her husbands name. I have a lot of her work thru other researchers who know her and we have all hit a brick wall at Roger and Elizabeth Mitchell Crews m.1808 in Colleton Co, SC. They lived near Islandton, SC until coming to Camden, GA abt.1817-1819. He died bef. Jan,1835. I believe he was my wife's gg-grandfather and I know that Roger Jr. b.1809 was her g-grandfather. Even this father-son relationship has not been nailed down with proof. Regarding Thomas Crews Sr.d.1697/8 in Surry Co, VA, the info I have indicates that Phoebe's name changed to Kiggin by the time the will was probated. Another separate note in a book said that Phoebe Jeweller was the widow of Thomas Crews. It's difficult to say which is which but I would guess that Jeweller is the maiden name. There's a small chance that these are two different Phoebes. I'll send you a gedcom that contains will info in the notes. David

Here is another Stanley page with this marriage. Notice their child Littleberry also married his first cousin. http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/jrichmon/stly0803.htm

Gray, Don't fret. Dan mentioned that a James CREWS was murdered in 1791 and we've been trying to figure out who he was. Naturally I grilled Dan until he gave in and sent a copy of the records! No, he graciously sent me a copy with only a little push. Since he did and you're interested, I'll put a copy of it here to save him the trouble. I read every word and I think MAYBE justice was not served in the case of "WILL". AND I thought Dans' comments were so interesting that I would leave them in, also. I hope that's alright with you, Dan? ................................. Pat I've gone ahead and attached to this note a copy of the court case involving the slaves who shot and killed James Crews in Charles City County, VA in 1792. It's not really all that long (and it's actually quite interesting), but I didn't want to send it out to people who may not have any interest in this line. In regards to your questions on Charles Carter, here's what I know: Charles Carter (owner of Shirley Plantation; born 1732; died 1806) was the son of John Carter and grandson of Robert "King" Carter (of "Corotoman" on the Rappahannock river). King Carter was one of the wealthiest and most powerful land-owner in Colonial times. From what I can tell, this Carter family has no ties to the family of Giles Carter (I've heard there were as many as five major Carter lines in Virginia at that time). Charles' father John actually inherited Shirley Plantation though the family of his wife, Elizabeth Hill, daughter of Edward Hill III. Charles also had an uncle by the name of Charles who resided at "Cleve", which is near "Corotoman" (this Charles was often referred to as "Col. Charles Carter", the same name which is referenced in the James Crews document; however he died in 1764, or 28 years before the shooting). Charles Carter (of Shirley) also had a cousin named Charles, son of Charles (of Cleve). The families were apparently close, since Charles (of Shirley) married his cousin Mary, sister of this cousin Charles, and daughter of his uncle Charles (of Cleve). By the way, Charles (of Shirley) had two wives (he married, 2nd, Anne Butler Moore), and fathered 23 children (and yes, two of them were named Charles). As mentioned in my previous note, one of these children was Anne Hill Carter, the wife of Henry "Light-Horse Harry" Lee and mother of General Robert E. Lee. I don't have any additional information on Giles Carter line, so I'll need to research some more to see if there were any "Col. Charles Carters" in this group. The second name you provided could very well be the correct "Charles". It seems to me that there had to be a finite number of "Charles Carters" who owned plantations in Charles City County in 1792. Of course, even if I find the right Charles, I probably still won't be able to place the James Crews who was shot on his land (my best guess is still that he may have been the grandson of Joseph Crews and Massie Johnston through their son John, who stayed in the Charles City area when most of his brothers moved to NC - if you have any info on this line, I would love to hear it). Nonetheless, even if I don't figure it out, researching this story has been a lot of fun! My wife and kids may even get "hauled out" on a "field trip" to Shirley Plantation soon! Thanks for your help! Dan ===================================== CALENDAR OF STATE PAPERS, Page 159, November 26th, 1792 Charles City, sc.: This day Dougald Ferguson came before me, William Royall, a magistrate of the said County, and made oath on the holy evangelist of Almighty God, that a negro by the name of Billy, belonging to the estate of Capt. John Archer, who had eloped for about two months, delivered himself, and brought in with him a negro man by the name of Jack, who says that he belongs to a Mr. Jardin, of North Carolina, & which negro Jack confessed before him that he had shot & killed a Mr. Crews, who acted as overseer for Col. Carter, on Sunday, the Eleventh of November Instant, and that the said Billy he was with him at the time that circumstance happened, and said that he feared if he did not contrive to deliver Jack into the hands of somebody he might suffer for him; and having concerted some scheme with some of the negroes of the Estate, he effected his wish & brought him to him with their assistance on Monday night, the 12th of this Instant, November. Immediately on which, he wrote to Mr. David M. Randolph, who, & a Mr. Rob't Burton & his son soon after, came; to whom he delivered the said negroes Jack & Billy. Given under my hand, this 26th day of November, 1792. WILLIAM ROYALL. CALENDAR OF STATE PAPERS, Page 188-190, December 14th, 1792 Charles City County, sc.: November the 14th--this day was brought before me, William Royall, a magistrate for the said County, Will, a negro man, slave, the property of Elizabeth Archer, who together with Jack, Bundy, & Dick, three other slaves, who being charged with the murder of James Crew, a Laborer, and the said Will being examined according to law; did acknowledge that he was on Sunday, the Eleventh of this instant, between the hours of seven and nine o'clock in the morning on the Plantation of Charles Carter, Esq., present when the said Crew advanced to the spot where the said negroes were; Jack presented, fired, and killed the said Crew, and that after the death of the said Crew, the said Will did approach the body of the said Crew & took from it the Hat & Gun. WILLIAM ROYALL. A copy--Teste: OTWAY BYRD. Charles City County, to-wit: Charles Copeland, deputy attorney for the Commonwealth in this county, comes and gives the court to understand and be informed that Will, a negro man, slave, the property of Elizabeth Archer, not having the fear of God before his eyes, but being moved & seduced by the instigation of the Devil, on Sunday, the Eleventh day of November, in the year 1792, in the morning of' the same, at the Parish of Westover and county aforesaid, was present aiding and abetting Jack, a negro man, slave, (by his information, the property of John Jordan of North Carolina), with force and arms, in and upon one James Crew, labourer, in the peace of God and the Commonwealth of Virginia, when the said Jack so aided and abetted by the said Will, feloniously, willfully, and of his malice aforethought, did then and there discharge upon and against him, the said James Crew, a certain hand gun of the value of 20s , then and there being charged with Gun powder and one slug and some small shot, which said Gun the said Jack (so aided and abetted by the said Will) then and there held in his hands, by reason of the discharge of which said Gun that, was so discharged as aforesaid, said Jack, the said Will being also present aiding and abetting, at the Parish and county aforesaid, feloniously, willfully, and of their malice aforethought, did strike, pierce, and wound the said James Crew, upon the left hip of him the said James Crew, with the said slug and small shot discharged from the said Gun by the said Jack, (aided and abetted by the said Will) so as before related, and did feloniously of their malice aforethought, at the Parish & county aforesaid, give to the said James Crew one mortal wound with the said leaden slug and small shot discharged from the said Gun by the said Jack, (aided and abetted by the said Will) as is before related, upon the left hip of him, the said James Crow, of the length of one inch and depth of four inches, of which said mortal wound the said James Crew in a few minutes died, and that the said Will was present aiding and abetting the said Jack when the said Jack did feloniously and of their malice aforethought, kill and murder the said James Crew in the manner and form aforesaid against the peace and dignity of the said Commonwealth of Virginia. A Copy--Teste: OTWAY BYRD. To his Excellency Henry Lee, Esq'r, Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia: We, the subscribers, Justices of the Peace in the County of Charles City, who set on the trial of Will, a negro man, slave, the property of' Mrs. Archer, as in the record hereunto annexed is stated, do beg leave to entreat your Excellency in behalf of the above slave, and observe that since the condemnation of the said Will, we have been informed that he, aided by two other slaves did apprehend and deliver to Justice Jack, a negro man, who actually murdered James Crew, as appears by his confession in the record above mentioned. We conceive from the circumstances since communicated to us, that Will made the confession of his being present when the murder was perpetuated by Jack in expectation that he should be exonerated from any pains or penalties which the law might inflict on him for the part he had acted, and that his testimony would go to convict Jack. This reference is evident since by his particular exertions Jack was brought to trial, and without which in all probability he would have escaped. On these considerations and that of his having only in this particular instance transgressed the laws that has come to our knowledge, and being yet of tender age, we pray your Excellency to grant a pardon in his behalf, and that he may be acquitted and discharged. BEN. EDMONDSON. WILIAAM LIGHTFOOT. JAMES SOUTHALL. JOSEPH VAIDEN. STITH HARDYMAN. In addition to the circumstances above mentioned, I beg leave to make an observation or two on the policy as well as the morality of the subject. I cannot conceive it morally right that he who is only guilty of a small transgression in being in company with a murderer, and being willing to expiate his own offence by rendering to Justice the one guilty of so heinous an offence, should be condemned to die as a murderer, when in relating a story so involved in his own misconduct, it was scarcely possible to avoid convicting himself of the offence at least of being in bad company. That he is a slave and not so much protected from the passions and prejudices of those who have been used to exercise absolute authority over half the human race, and therefor hard indeed if no appeal could lie to the seat of Mercy so wisely instituted by our Government, where cool and dispassionate reason and Justice will preside . As to the policy, I ask what probability will there be of future discoveries if the person who makes them is drawn in to convict himself. RO. MUNFORD, Atto. for the C'wealth on the above trial. At a Court of oyer and Terminer for Charles City County, held at the Courthouse on Wednesday, the 21st day of' November', 1792, for the trial of Will, a negro man, slave, belonging to Elizabeth Archer, charged with aiding and abetting Jack, another Negro man, slave (by his own confession the property of John Jerdon, of the State of North Carolina,) in the murder of James Crew, a labourer: Stith Hardyman, Benjamin Edmondson, William Lightfoot, Joseph Vaidon, and James Southall, Gen. Jus. The said Will was set to the bar in custody of the Sheriif, to whose custody the cause aforesaid he was committed; and being arraigned. of the premises he said he was in nowise guilty, and for his trial, according to the act of Assembly in such case made, he put himself upon the Court. Whereupon, sundry witnesses were sworn and examined, and the said Will's confession, taken in writing before William Royall, a Gen. Justice for this county, being filed, and the same Will being heard in his own defence -- on consideration whereof, it is the opinion of' the Court that the said Will is guilty of the crime aforesaid; and thereupon , it being demanded or him if anything for himself he had or knew why the Court here to Judgement & Execution should not proceed -- he said he had nothing but what he had before said. Therefore it is considered by the Court that he be hanged by the neck until he be dead; and it. is commanded of the Sheriff that. he cause execution of this Judgement to be done on Saturday, the 22nd day of December next, at the usual place of Execution. The Court also valued the said slave to sixty-six pounds. (Signed) STITH HARDYMAN, BENJAMIN EDMONDSON, WILLIAM LIGHTFOOT, JOSEPH VAIDEN, & JAMES SOUTHALL A copy --- Teste: OTEAY BYRD, c. c.

Dan, We have the 5 J's, children of "our broken-hearted" John CREW who wanted to marry Judith LADD but the church wouldn't approve. They were too closely related. So he m. Sarah and I don't know who she is. Elaine Rowland speculated that she was Sarah REDMON. (1) We have John CREW as s/o Andrew CREW & Hannah ELLYSON who was s/o John CREW & Sarah GATLEY. (2) You have a point but I don't think the church would wait that long. But what do I know about their workings? This will take some study. (3) Brenda, you can take this one. <G> BTW, Judith LADD never married.

Well, I think you've stumped me. I have very little on John CREWS s/o Joseph & Massie. I show b/d 1727/8 Hanover Co, VA; d/d 1814/16 in Leaburg Co, Va; mou 1755 to ____? No children listed. I have even less on David CREWS, his brother. Only b/d 1734 Hanover Co, Va Don't even know if he married. And their brother Joseph, b. 1733/4 Hanover Co, Va; mou to ___? No children listed. Poor guys! They look lonely! Anyone else have more on them? Pat

Anyone working on the Peter Crews line? Peter b. 1787 Westmoreland Co, VA d. 1865 Heard Co., GA. wife was Mary_? b. 1796 d. 1856 Heard Co. Who was Mary? I have read several items that say she was Mary "Polly" Monroe, niece of Pres. Monroe, but have found no proof. Who were Peters parents? I could not find any Crews living in Westmoreland Co in 1787 tax list. Their son Henry Johnson Crews was b. 1814 and d. 1892 in Heard Co. What was his wifes maiden name? I only know she was Centhia and she d. bef 1870 in Heard Co. He remarried a Sarah Golden Cato. Any help on this? Thanks, Jan Elliott

Pat & Brenda, Please don't worry about shooting my theories down - that's why I floated them! Here's why I made my assumptions. I'd be interested in your thoughts on these items: (1) The American Encyclopedia of Quaker Genealogy (Hinshaw), under the Henrico Monthly Meeting notes, shows a "John and Sarah Crews" having five children: James (b. 25 Nov 1750), Judith (b. 13 Nov 1752, Jacob (b. 11 Jun 1754, d. 4 Sep 1810), John (b. 1 Jul 1758, d. 12 Oct 1807), and Joseph (b. 18 Mar 1771). If this John is not the son of Joseph, then who is this John? (2) The same book shows a "John Crews, son of Joseph", being "disowned" (and not married) on 1 Feb 1755, for marrying out of union. At the very next meeting (1 Mar 1755), a "Sarah Crews" was also "disowned" (for marrying her first cousin), but her parents were cleared of consenting to the marriage. John Crews, son of Joseph, and Sarah Crews, son of Andrew, would have been first cousins! Is it possible that they could have been married outside the church, and for whatever reason, not have been disowned for several years? (3) As you pointed out, Sarah Crews may have been married to Thomas Stanley III (and he, too, would have been her first cousin). However, I found a web page (http://netdirect.net/~damonf/stanley/stanleyn.htm) that claims this Thomas married Sarah Crews, "daughter of John" (and not Andrew) on or about 12 April 1755. Is this a mistake? Thanks for your help! Dan

Oops! I said the digests for 1997 were V97/1 through V97/17, there was also a V97/18. Sorry about that! ----------------- Pat, I don't know if you can send a request for more than one digest in a single email, or if you have to send a separate email for each request (I had only missed the first one). Don't see how it could hurt to try! Joanne

To David Harris: David, You share the same line as Rose Crews who used to be on Prodigy. Have you been in contact with her? I THINK she had proven 13 of the 14 ch she attributed to Roger CREWS and Elizabeth MITCHELL (all except Maria). Following are 2 notes she posted to the Prodigy bb back in Jan 1996: (First note:) Saw your note on the Crews line. Uncle Everett Crews,son of James Culbert and Ada Pencie Crews-Crews, married 1st time to Geraldine Crews, dau. of Lee Ander Crews & Nettie Johns. Lee was born 27 Aug 1891 died 15 Oct 1962. Nettie was born 5 Oct 1904 died 16 Feb 1966. Parents of Lee Ander Crews are Robert Edwin Lee Crews born 2 Apr 1867 died 10 Feb 1945 & Marietta Thrift born 1864 died 24 Jan 1941. Parents of Robert E. L. Crews are Samuel L. Crews born 1830 died 3 Mar 1895 & Harriett Raulerson born 1831 died Oct 1906. Re: Wm. Cone Crews- his pension file gives the name of another brother, James B. Crews, who lived in columbia Co., Fl. Martha Jane Crews, dau. of Wm. Cone and Rachel Adeline Stokes-Crews, married Geo. W. Dixon on 27 May 1879. Three children in family: Emily born nov 1881 married Aaron K. Rhoden 31 Jan 1900; Annie M. born Dec 1882 and Lonnie D. Dixon born Feb 1891-Lonnie was by another relationship. They lived in Charlton Co., Ga. George W. Dixon died in 1888 and is buried in St. George, Ga. Parents of Wm. Cone Crews, Roger and Elizabeth Mitchell-Crews, had a total of 14 kids. Will type them in later. (2nd note:) Wm. Cone Crews: wife was Rachel Adeline Stokes, dau. of Henry and Mary Brown-Stokes. First child, Mary Elizabeth Crews married her 1st cousin, Wm. Taft Green. Yes, Mary and James Stokes Crews were twins. Child #9, Annie Crews who married Riley Crews. Riley was the son of John Cone and Martha Johns-Crews. Child # 6- Wm. Albert Crews was called "Mance". He married Rebekah Elizabeth Crews who was also a daughter of John Cone and Martha Johns-Crews. The above mentioned Rachel Adeline Stokes-Crews was a sister to Sarah Jane Stokes who married Calvin McDonald Crews. Roger Crews b. 1789 Colleton Dist., SC. married 27 Sept 1808 to Elizabeth Mitchell b. 1791. Roger died 1837.He and Elizabeth lived in Ga. 1820, Duval Co., Fl. by 1830. Elizabeth moved back to Ga. by 1840 and is a widow on the census. She still lives in Camden Co., Ga. in 1850 (later became Charlton Co.) Elizabeth died before 1860 and dau., Sarah is living on the old home place with 2 children. Children of Roger and Elizabeth are: 1. Roger, Jr. b. 1809 Colleton Dist., SC. m. Minerva Waldron on 26 May 1841 in Nassau Co., Fl. Roger, Jr. died 21 Oct 1855 *source pension file. Buried Pigeon Creek Cem. Nassau, Fl. #2. Keziah b. 1810 Colleton Dist. m. Jesse Tom Green on 10 Dec 1835 d. abt 1843. #3. Lucinda b. abt. 1815 m. Nathan Smith, Jr. 25 Jan 1837 died 01 Dec 1887 *source pension file on Nathan. She died in Alachua Co., Fl. #4. James B. b. abt 1817 Ga. m. Mary (Unknown) lived Columbia Co., Fl. Bought land there in 1850. On census 1850 and 1860. #5. Archibald Graham b. Feb. 1819 d. 12 Jul 1905 Baker Co., Fl. buried at Emanus Cem. Charlton Co., Ga. m. Honor Civility Bradley in Nassau Co., Fl. on 26 Feb 1850. #6. William Cone b. abt. 1820 died after 1906 *have pension file on Wm. also soldiers pension on Graham and widow's pension for Honor. Wm. and brother, Calvin,both signed these pension requests. Wm. stated that he was married to Rachel Adeline Stokes Dec 1849. #7. Courtney Elizabeth b. 23 Apr 1822 married Elbert Greenberry Stokes 22 Apr 1841 at her mother's home in Camden, Ga. Courtney died 17 Jun 1898. #8. Joseph b. 1824 m. Elizabeth Davis 10 Jun 1855. Joseph died abt. 1875. #9. Sophia b. 1826 m. Jesse Tom Green 17 Apr 1844 She was, of course, his 2nd wife. Sophia died 31 Dec 1905 in Bradford Co., Fl. #10. Sarah b. abt 1828 m. Ebenezer Corneal 24 Oct 1860 *Dausie Corneal was a granddau. #11. Cornelius b. 1829 m. 05 Sept 1855 Keziah Revels Lived in New River Co. (later made into Bradford). #12. ??Maria A. b. abt 1830 m. 08 Nov 1848 Wm. S. Smith *This child needs to be proven. #13. Calvin McDonald b. May 1831 m. abt. 1851 Sarah Jane Stokes. Known as "Mack"- he died abt. 1907. Most members of this family are buried in Boones Creek or Moniac Cem. in Charlton Co., Ga. #14. Albert b. 1832 - Albert lived with Wm. Cone and Rachel in Camden Co. in 1850, as did brothers, Calvin and Joseph. Albert died before 1860. (End of notes Rose posted to the bb) Also, David, in December you posted a gedcom to the Crews Email List. It was of Thomas CREWS who d. bef Mar 1697/98 Surry Co VA and wf Phoebe. In it, you refer to his wf as "Phoebe Jeweler Crews, widow of Thomas". Is JEWELER her maiden name? Joanne

Lori, in my db I have a John W. CREWS and wf Elizabeth LEWIS with 5 children: Lenora, Ida, Jacob, Lizzie Florence, and Thomas Ervin that were in the Hermanville MS area. Could this be your John Wilson CREWS and Sarah Elizabeth LEWIS family? Joanne

Bill, per your request to check the Crews News newsletter to see if it ever covers the Grainger Co TN area - I wish I could help but I not only do not have any of those newsletters, I've never seen one. The information that I posted was in a note that had appeared on the Prodigy bb. Perhaps someone who has them will see yours and Charles Ottosen's requests. Thank you for your web page address. I will look it up. Joanne

-------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Friday, 09-Jan-98 08:34 PM > > From: Brenda Webb \ Internet: ([email protected]) > To: Crews-l-request \ Internet: (crews-l- [email protected]) > > Subject: RE: CREWS-L/JAMES CREW WHO > > Not to shoot Dans's theory but. . . . > While Joseph and Massie did have a son JOHN, it was unlikely that this James, > born in 1750 was his and Sarah's as there marriage wasn't until Feb 1, 1755. > This Sarah is of unknown parents, as Sarah, born Dec 16, 1728/d. May 15, 1803 > was d/o Andrew CREWS and Hannah ELLYSON and married Thomas STANLEY, III., on > Jan 3, 1755. > I guess we have a floating James, b. 1750 > I have nothing in database of John's younger brother David. . . . . > Bren -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- Brenda, Joseph and Massie had a son John. Was he married to a Sarah? I don't have her or any other wife for him. What else do you have on him? I have nothing on his brothers David & Joseph, either. Do you? I know Joseph was married but don't have her name. Pat

Brenda, Can you help me? As I've entered these people in the db I've run across some names I don't know what to do with, i.e. Elizabeth [Phariss] FULP d/o Peter. What does [Phariss] stand for? At the end of the chart is a list of FAIRE people. Are they siblings? If so, who are their parents? I realize you may not know, but I have to ask. Pat

Hey, Dan Fawcett wrote: <<note to clarify - I did not mean to imply that the James who was murdered was the son of Joseph and Massie (I, too, had this James' date of death as 1831; in fact, he was one of Hazel's direct ancestors). Instead, my guess was that this James was the son of Joseph and Massie's oldest son, John (b. 1728), who to my knowledge, stayed in the Charles City County area when his younger brothers (Thomas, Gideon, James, and Caleb) moved to NC. According to some notes that I have, a John Crews (probably s/o Joseph and Massie) had a son named James who was born in 1750 (which would have made him 42 at the time of the murder). I have also speculated that this John (s/o Joseph and Massie) was married to Sarah Crews (d/o Andrew Crews and Hannah Ellyson). If anyone has any information on this John line (or this James, b. 1750), please let me know (I'm also looking for information on John's younger brother David).>> I missed something! What murder? What document did David put up that I didn't get? Mercy!!! Gray