Dan I've picked up some interesting facts about Zachary TAYLOR in the encyclopedia but haven't come to a conclusion. The father of Zachary was Lt. Colonel Richard TAYLOR. There is a Richard TAYLOR mentioned in the article, but just the name, no facts. And this Richard would be a ggggch. of James TAYLOR, I think. At least he's in the 6th generation. Too bad there are no dates in the article. It was fun working it all out from what he wrote, but there's lots of unknown names, mostly women who m. someone important, I guess. There's a "Junius Penn HUNT" mentioned. I wonder if they mean "Julius"? I've never heard of the name "Junius" before. Oh well. Where did you find the info on James TAYLOR? I'd like to read it, too . I also found out that Zachary TAYLOR is a 2nd cousin of James MADISON and a 4th cousin once removed of Robert E. LEE and 4th cousin three times removed of Franklin D. ROOSEVELT. Boy, these people really hung together! A dau. of Zachary TAYLOR and Margaret Mackall SMITH, Knox TAYLOR, married Lt. Jefferson DAVIS. But she died of malaria within 3 months of her marriage. Zachary & Margaret named their only son Richard. Isn't there a website that gives the genealogies of U.S. Presidents? I found Royal Genealogies so there must be an equivalent for the United States! But I can't find it! Pat

Pat, The Taylor/Penn/Hunt lines are actually well documented, as you would expect. I have a fair amount of hard-copy documentation (which, unfortunately, doesn't do you much good). However, on the web, there is alot of information in the "Becky Bonner Genealogy Home Page". The address is: http://rentsv1.ouhsc.edu/bbonner/index.htm If your interested in other material, your local family history center may access to the following documents: (1) "From Log Cabins to the White House -- A History of the Taylor Family", Mary Taylor Brewer. (2) "The Taylor Family", William and Mary Quarterly, Vol 12 Ser 1, pp 129-134. (3) "Taylor", Virginia Genealogies, Hayden, pp 671-684. (4) "Genealogy of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence, John Penn", Frank William Leach, pp. 5957-6046. (5) "The Penn Family of Virginia", William M. Clemens. (6) "Colonial Caroline", T. E. Campbell. (7) "Historical Southern Families, V.8", John B. Boddie I have some more references if you need them, but this should be a good start. Finally, in regards to your "Junius Penn Hunt" question, and to your earlier request for James Crews descendant data, I see that Chuck has already "answered the mail" (thanks Chuck!). I'll take a look at what he put out, and if I have anything to add, I'll put a follow-up note out within a few days. Dan.

In a message dated 98-01-19 18:49:23 EST, you write: << There's a "Junius Penn HUNT" mentioned. I wonder if they mean "Julius"? I've never heard of the name "Junius" before. >> 1 George Washington HUNT .. +Susan C. CREWS b: 7 Jan 1832 in Granville Co, NC m: 25 Oct 1848 d: 9 Apr 1917 Father: James CREWS Mother: Sarah Jones (Sally) EARL . 2 Junius Penn HUNT b: 2 Feb 1858 in Granville Co, NC d: 23 Nov 1927 . 2 Sarah E. HUNT b: 1859 d: Bef. 1915 ..... +Joseph PARHAM . 2 Caroline E. HUNT b: 1866 in Granville Co, NC ..... +Charles Franklin CREWS

In a message dated 98-01-18 18:44:48 EST, you write: << In fact, Littleberry CREWS is the only child of Gideon CREWS and Jemima WICKER that I DO have desc's of. Do you have them for any of their other children? >> Direct Descendants of Gideon Crews 1 Gideon CREWS b: 1730 in Hanover Co, VA d: 16 Oct 1815 in Granville Co, NC .. +Jemima WICKER b: 1739 in Hanover Co, VA m: Abt. 1770 in Hanover, Hanover Co, VA d: Abt. Jan 1826 in Granville Co, NC Father: Benjamin WHICKER Mother: . 2 Mildred (Molly) CREWS b: Abt. 1772 in Granville Co, NC d: 1841 in Stokes Co, NC . 2 Abigail CREWS b: Abt. 1775 in Granville Co, NC d: Aft. 30 Nov 1850 in Granville Co, NC . 2 Gideon CREWS, Jr. b: 2 Sep 1779 in Granville Co, NC d: 16 May 1859 in Granville Co, NC . 2 Joseph (Jenks) CREWS b: 1782 in Granville Co, NC d: Bef. 1810 . 2 James CREWS b: 20 Jul 1785 in Granville Co, NC d: 28 Sep 1875 in Granville Co, NC . 2 [2] Littleberry CREWS b: 1787 in Granville Co, NC d: 1 Oct 1855 in Madison Co, TN ..... +Elizabeth EARL b: 1791 in Granville Co, NC m: 21 Sep 1807 in Granville Co, NC d: 1821 in Granville Co, NC Father: John EARL, Jr. Mother: Zebiah WATTS ..... 3 [1] William A. CREWS b: 5 Jun 1808 in Granville Co, NC d: Aft. 1879 in Maury Co, TN(?) ......... +Mary A. PARRISH b: 1809 in Granville Co, NC m: 16 Jan 1828 in Granville Co, NC d: 1850-1858 in Maury Co, TN(?) Father: Shadrack PARRISH Mother: Elizabeth (Betsy) SMITH ......... 4 Elizabeth L. (Betsy) CREWS b: 30 Nov 1828 in NC d: Aft. 1857 ......... 4 Mary J. CREWS b: Abt. 1830 in Granville Co, NC ......... 4 Alexander E. CREWS b: Sep 1831 in NC d: Aft. 26 Jun 1900 ......... 4 Phillip L. CREWS b: Abt. 1834 in NC d: 19 Sep 1863 in Battle of Chickamauga, GA ......... 4 James H. CREWS b: Abt. 1835 in TN d: 15 Feb 1862 in Battle of Ft. Donelson, TN ......... 4 Nancy C. CREWS b: Abt. 1839 in TN d: 1905 in Maury Co, TN ......... 4 Julia Ann CREWS b: Abt. 1845 in Maury Co, TN d: 9 Aug 1860 in Maury Co, TN ......... 4 William Polk CREWS b: Abt. 1846 in Maury Co, TN d: Abt. 1872 in Maury Co, TN ......... 4 Annie Eliza CREWS b: Jan 1846 in Maury Co, TN d: 1900 in Maury Co, TN ......... 4 Lewis Cass CREWS b: Abt. 1848 in Maury Co, TN ......... 4 Mildred A. CREWS b: Abt. 1848 in Maury Co, TN ......... 4 Lucius B. H. CREWS b: Abt. 1849 in Maury Co, TN ..... *2nd Wife of [1] William A. Crews: ......... +Martha DONELSON b: Abt. 1838 in NC m: 25 Oct 1858 in Maury Co, TN d: Aft. 1879 Father: Mother: ..... 3 John S. CREWS b: Abt. 1815 in Granville Co, NC d: Aft. 1870 ..... 3 James Fletcher CREWS b: 1818 in Granville Co, NC d: 1854 in Madison Co, TN ..... 3 Emily CREWS b: Bef. 1821 in Granville Co, NC d: Bef. 1855 ..... 3 Mary Sophronia CREWS b: Bef. 1821 in Granville Co, NC d: Aft. 2 Apr 1857 ..... 3 Wesley E. CREWS b: 1821 in Granville Co, NC d: 21 Jun 1894 in Columbia, Maury Co, TN . *2nd Wife of [2] Littleberry Crews: ..... +Nancy CHEATHAM b: 1798 in Granville Co, NC m: 18 Dec 1824 in Granville Co, NC d: Aft. 2 Apr 1857 in TN Father: James CHEATHAM Mother: Catherine (Caty) JOHNSON ..... 3 Rosanna M. Elizabeth CREWS b: Abt. 1826 in Granville Co, NC d: Aft. 1859 in Maury Co, TN ..... 3 James CREWS b: Abt. 1827 in NC ..... 3 Joseph A. CREWS b: Abt. 1828 in Granville Co, NC d: Aft. 1869 ..... 3 Thomas Anderson CREWS b: 10 Sep 1829 in Granville Co, NC d: 13 Aug 1886 in Georgetown, Williamson Co, TX ..... 3 Isham J. CREWS b: 22 Jul 1835 in Maury Co, TN d: 9 Apr 1857 in Maury Co, TN ..... 3 Gideon Pillow CREWS b: Abt. 1836 in Maury Co, TN d: Aft. 1855 in Humbolt, TN ..... 3 Andrew J.W. CREWS b: Abt. 1840 in Maury Co, TN d: Abt. 1888 in Bell Station, TN . 2 Jemima CREWS b: 1791 in Granville Co, NC d: 9 Mar 1824 in Granville Co, NC . 2 Elizabeth CREWS b: 1789 in Granville Co, NC d: Aft. 30 Nov 1850

In a message dated 98-01-18 18:44:48 EST, you write: << I have no children for Meredith CREWS by either wife, Nancy WADE or Mary D. THOMASON. I would be so grateful to get all their desc's. >> 1 [1] Meredith CREWS b: 8 May 1783 in Granville Co, NC d: 31 Jul 1869 in Granville Co, NC .. +Nancy WADE m: 16 Dec 1815 in Granville Co, NC . 2 Anna CREWS . 2 William B. CREWS . 2 Sallie P. CREWS *2nd Wife of [1] Meredith Crews: .. +Mary D. THOMASON m: 21 Dec 1829 . 2 Caroline S. CREWS . 2 Mary F. CREWS . 2 James A. CREWS . 2 Thomas Jefferson CREWS

In a message dated 98-01-18 18:44:48 EST, you write: << I also have no children for James CREWS & Sarah Jones EARL. Again, may I please get those desc's from one of you? >> Descendants of James Crews 1 James CREWS b: 20 Jul 1785 in Granville Co, NC d: 28 Sep 1875 in Granville Co, NC .. +Sarah Jones (Sally) EARL b: 1791 m: 2 Feb 1808 in Granville Co, NC Father: John EARL, Jr. Mother: Zebiah WATTS . 2 Allen Spencer CREWS b: 16 Feb 1811 d: Abt. 1811 . 2 James A. CREWS b: 15 May 1813 d: 10 Aug 1892 ..... +Martha Ann HUNT m: 11 Aug 1834 in Granville Co, NC Father: David HUNT Mother: ___ HIGH ..... 3 [1] Lorena CREWS ......... +___ ROGERS ..... *2nd Husband of [1] Lorena Crews: ......... +R. G. BOBBITT ..... 3 [2] Sarah Ann CREWS b: 25 May 1835 d: Abt. 1900 ......... +Thomas J. HORNER ..... *2nd Husband of [2] Sarah Ann Crews: ......... +William M. LYON ..... 3 Louisa J. CREWS b: 5 Jun 1837 in Granville Co, NC d: Abt. 1908 ......... +Willes D. MITCHELL m: 16 Dec 1856 ..... 3 David G. CREWS b: 13 May 1839 d: 30 Nov 1921 ......... +Louisa J. FLEMING m: 10 Jun 1866 ..... 3 Rebecca CREWS b: 29 May 1841 d: 28 Aug 1929 ..... 3 Robert T. CREWS b: 7 Jun 1844 d: 11 Feb 1915 ......... +Annie STARK ......... 4 Gary G. CREWS b: 10 Jul 1874 d: 14 Jun 1875 ......... 4 Annie Bell CREWS b: 10 Aug 1885 d: 4 Oct 1887 ..... 3 Edward H. CREWS b: 26 Jun 1846 d: Abt. 1918 ......... +Laura T. HORNER ......... 4 Arthur CREWS b: 16 Sep 1871 d: Mar 1873 ..... 3 Caroline F. CREWS b: 10 Aug 1848 d: 9 Feb 1931 ......... +John W. SMITH ......... 4 Mattie L. SMITH b: 7 Oct 1875 d: 30 Jul 1904 ..... 3 [3] Leroy Lafayette CREWS b: 28 Oct 1852 in Granville Co, NC d: 16 Mar 1934 in Thelma, Halifax Co, NC ......... +Ellen HAMILL ..... *2nd Wife of [3] Leroy Lafayette Crews: ......... +Fannie Evelyn JOHNSTON m: 19 Dec 1877 in Fishing Creek Township, Granville Co, NC ......... 4 Constance Hall CREWS b: 26 Sep 1878 in Granville Co, NC d: 2 Jul 1953 in Portsmouth, VA ............. +James Thomas BENN m: 30 Nov 1898 in Tar River, NC ............ 5 Fannie Elizabeth BENN b: 26 Nov 1899 in Halifax Co, NC d: 29 Aug 1981 ................ +Kenneth John FAWCETT m: 13 Oct 1923 in Halifax Co, NC Father: Mother: ............ 5 Cornelius Leroy BENN b: 17 Aug 1903 d: 1984 ................ +Merle BELL ............ 5 James Thomas BENN b: 20 Jun 1905 in Thelma, Halifax Co, NC d: 5 May 1976 in Portsmouth, VA ................ +Anna Byrd WHITE m: 30 Jun 1934 ............ 5 Mary Hall BENN b: 10 Sep 1907 in Northampton Co, NC d: 1990 ................ +John Ira WYCHE m: 21 Oct 1933 ............ 5 Dan May BENN b: 16 Sep 1910 d: 18 Nov 1951 ................ +___ JENKINS ......... 4 Garland B. CREWS b: 10 Dec 1880 d: 11 Jul 1917 ......... 4 Joseph C. CREWS b: 31 Mar 1883 ......... 4 Fannie Johnston CREWS b: 30 Apr 1886 ..... 3 Flora A. CREWS b: 8 Apr 1856 d: 17 Mar 1892 ......... +G. D. BEST ......... 4 William Exum BEST b: 26 Jun 1880 ......... 4 Earl Mann BEST b: 17 Apr 1890 d: 20 Nov 1890 ..... 3 Albert A. CREWS b: 10 Feb 1858 in Granville Co, NC d: Abt. 1930 ......... +___ STARK . 2 Mary E. CREWS b: 2 Dec 1815 ..... +William O. WRIGHT . 2 [4] Rebecca A. CREWS b: Apr 1817 d: Aug 1888 ..... +James CHEATHAM ..... 3 Theodore CHEATHAM ..... 3 Thomas CHEATHAM ..... 3 William CHEATHAM . *2nd Husband of [4] Rebecca A. Crews: ..... +A. C. PARHAM . 2 Martha M. CREWS b: 22 Jun 1820 d: 2 Apr 1882 ..... +Joseph Penn HUNT Father: John Penn HUNT Mother: Sarah LONGMIRE ..... 3 [6] David Nicholson HUNT ......... +[5] Adelaid HESTER Father: William Stephen HESTER Mother: Melissa F. CREWS ..... 3 Susan Caroline HUNT ......... +John Henry BREEDLOVE ..... 3 John L. HUNT ......... +Cora RAMEY ..... 3 Ira T. Hunt HUNT ..... 3 Sally Frances HUNT b: 1840 d: 1920 ......... +James B. CREWS ..... 3 James HUNT b: 1843 in Granville Co, NC ..... 3 Ann Celestia HUNT b: Aug 1848 in Granville Co, NC ......... +Isaac BREEDLOVE ..... 3 Mary Ella(?) HUNT b: 1851 in Granville Co, NC ......... +Junius FULLER . 2 Elizabeth T. CREWS b: 10 Sep 1823 in Granville Co, NC d: 27 Apr 1881 . 2 Edward N. CREWS b: 9 Sep 1824 in Granville Co, NC d: 13 Nov 1899 ..... +Martha PARHAM . 2 Elijah Thomas CREWS b: 1826 d: 1881 ..... +Mary PARHAM ..... 3 Norfleet G. CREWS . 2 Isabella Jane CREWS b: 24 Aug 1829 ..... +Benjamin W. HICKS ..... 3 Archibald A. HICKS . 2 Susan C. CREWS b: 7 Jan 1832 in Granville Co, NC d: 9 Apr 1917 ..... +George Washington HUNT m: 25 Oct 1848 Father: John Penn HUNT Mother: Sarah LONGMIRE ..... 3 Junius Penn HUNT b: 2 Feb 1858 in Granville Co, NC d: 23 Nov 1927 ..... 3 Sarah E. HUNT b: 1859 d: Bef. 1915 ......... +Joseph PARHAM ..... 3 Caroline E. HUNT b: 1866 in Granville Co, NC ......... +Charles Franklin CREWS . 2 Melissa F. CREWS b: 3 Jan 1835 ..... +William Stephen HESTER ..... 3 [5] Adelaid HESTER ......... +[6] David Nicholson HUNT Father: Joseph Penn HUNT Mother: Martha M. CREWS ..... 3 Nora HESTER ......... +Rufus AIKEN ..... 3 Lula HESTER ......... +J. M. RHODES ..... 3 Benjamin Otis HESTER ..... 3 Marvin HESTER ..... 3 James M. HESTER ......... +Mollie WHITFIELD

Dan, Thank you so much for the Granville Co article! It is so packed with information that I can hardly believe it! It's going to take more study , but very enjoyable study. I have run across the mention of the TAYLORs before (ancestors of the presidents) but haven't recorded it in the db). My husband has TAYLORs and I can't get the line back past a Richard TAYLOR b. 1816 in VA. Need to spend more time on that. I notice that the info in the article does leave out some names, so I'd still like to get a Desc. chart for James & Caleb. Did you know that one of Zachary TAYLORS' dau's married Jeffereson DAVIS? Pat

Dan and Randy, I have no children for Meredith CREWS by either wife, Nancy WADE or Mary D. THOMASON. I would be so grateful to get all their desc's. I also have no children for James CREWS & Sarah Jones EARL. Again, may I please get those desc's from one of you? In fact, Littleberry CREWS is the only child of Gideon CREWS and Jemima WICKER that I DO have desc's of. Do you have them for any of their other children? Pat

Pat, The way the will reads, I am guessing that Matthew had a brother named Ephiram; no doubt Ephiram, Jr.. Ephiram & Rachel are parents of Matthew who md. Constance Whicker. Then she md. 2nd Reuben. I don't have Ephiram, Jr. in file as I could be wrong interpreting the will. Glad all is well. Hazel On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, MRS PATRICIA A RAY wrote: > > -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > > > Date: Saturday, 17-Jan-98 04:00 PM > > > > From: Hazel \ Internet: ([email protected]) > > To: [email protected] (Unlisted Name) \ PRODIGY: (patray) > > cc: [email protected] \ Internet: ([email protected]) > > > > Subject: Re: [CREWS-L] Constance WICKER > > > > Pat, > > Sorry about your dilemma! First...James and Amelia did not have a son > named > > Matthew. (I hope I never said they did in my early days. If so, it was > in error > > or where-ever that came from.) Matthew Crews (son of Ephiram & Rachel > ) and > > Reuben Crews (not brothers) simply married the same woman but at > different > > times. Constance Whicker simply had 2 husbands both with the last name > of > > CREWS. I have very little knowledge of Matthew's parents other than > what I > > wrote you of in his father Ephiram's will. (Do you want that again?) I > have no > > knowledge of the two Ephirams you spoke of. Hazel > > > > On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, MRS PATRICIA A RAY wrote: > > > > -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- > > Hazel, > It's no big deal. I was just a little lost. So now I'll remove > Matthew as a child of James & Amelia and add him as a child of Ephraim & > Rachel. I don't have an Ephraim & Rachel but will also add them. If > you sent me data from Ephraims' will then I'll find it again. Don't > bother to re-send. I have lots to go through as I'm entering data. > I'll run across it soon. > > Thanks, Pat > >

-------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Saturday, 17-Jan-98 04:00 PM > > From: Hazel \ Internet: ([email protected]) > To: [email protected] (Unlisted Name) \ PRODIGY: (patray) > cc: [email protected] \ Internet: ([email protected]) > > Subject: Re: [CREWS-L] Constance WICKER > > Pat, > Sorry about your dilemma! First...James and Amelia did not have a son named > Matthew. (I hope I never said they did in my early days. If so, it was in error > or where-ever that came from.) Matthew Crews (son of Ephiram & Rachel ) and > Reuben Crews (not brothers) simply married the same woman but at different > times. Constance Whicker simply had 2 husbands both with the last name of > CREWS. I have very little knowledge of Matthew's parents other than what I > wrote you of in his father Ephiram's will. (Do you want that again?) I have no > knowledge of the two Ephirams you spoke of. Hazel > > On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, MRS PATRICIA A RAY wrote: > -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- Hazel, It's no big deal. I was just a little lost. So now I'll remove Matthew as a child of James & Amelia and add him as a child of Ephraim & Rachel. I don't have an Ephraim & Rachel but will also add them. If you sent me data from Ephraims' will then I'll find it again. Don't bother to re-send. I have lots to go through as I'm entering data. I'll run across it soon. Thanks, Pat

I got a message today from RootsWeb which follows: "We ran out of space on one of our listserver's disk drives last night. This had at least two consequences: (1) Some messages which were sent to the lists last night are irretrievably lost from the archives. (2) The SmartList software couldn't build digests. So, rather than not delivering messages to DIGEST mode subscribers, SmartList forwarded the messages on to them in MAIL (individual article) mode. I've fixed the disk space problem by moving around some files, and I believe everything is operating normally now. There may be some delays in delivery today while we work off the queue that accumulated as I was reorganizing the file system. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative" I don't know exactly what this means to us, but to be safe, maybe we should check our mail to make sure our notes got through. If you're not sure about it, maybe you can send them again. If you got an answer to a note, it probably got through, but it still may not have gotten into the archives. Pat

Brenda, I've been entering the DIGGS Desc. Chart and was doing just fine until the very last page. It shows the children of John DIGGS s/o Wm. DIGGS & Judith HALEY. We have John married to Agnes CREWS and I have no children for them. But the chart shows him m. to Sarah JARNIGAN and with 5 children. Is this a second marriage for him? Did he and Agnes have any children? Pat

Thought some of you might find this interesting. The database covers only about 8.5% of the total counties in the U.S. However, it has good coverage of Florida, Mississippi and Texas - all good states with lots of Crews's. It's worth a visit. Charlie Ottosen [email protected] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 15:53:42 PST From: Gary A. Griffith <[email protected]> To: RITTENHOUSE <[email protected]> Subject: WWI Draft Registrations For those interested, the World War 1 draft registrations are online for a few days at no charge at : http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search.asp There are 18 Rittenhouse records there. Hope this helps someone, I found a few minor tidbits, one of which was a Rittenhouse from my own home county I'd never heard tell of. Gary A. Griffith ([email protected]) Listowner, Rittenhouse-L Elkton, Maryland

Pat, Sorry about your dilemma! First...James and Amelia did not have a son named Matthew. (I hope I never said they did in my early days. If so, it was in error or where-ever that came from.) Matthew Crews (son of Ephiram & Rachel) and Reuben Crews (not brothers) simply married the same woman but at different times. Constance Whicker simply had 2 husbands both with the last name of CREWS. I have very little knowledge of Matthew's parents other than what I wrote you of in his father Ephiram's will. (Do you want that again?) I have no knowledge of the two Ephirams you spoke of. Hazel On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, MRS PATRICIA A RAY wrote: > Hazel, > You really gave me a problem when you changed Matthew & Reubin from > being brothers who m. the same woman, to being .....what? I told you I > had merged two Constance WICKERS and it turns out I had her married to > brothers before I merged her. So now I'm looking for Ephiram(sic) and > Rachel in order to find the right Matthew, and guess what? I don't have > an Ephiram CREWS. I have one Ephraim(sic) m. to a Sarah Rosalee SEATS > and one Ephriam(sic) m. to Rosa TURNSTALL. > So I guess I'll have to ask you to tell me more about this Ephiram. > Who are his parents? Where does he fit in? I suppose I should know > this and I'm going to go back and look at the Desc. Charts you and > Brenda have sent the last few weeks, but maybe I'll get a clue from you > before I can find him there. > Oh, and who did Matthew, the son of James and Amelia CREWS marry? Do > we have that info? > > Pat > >

Hazel, You really gave me a problem when you changed Matthew & Reubin from being brothers who m. the same woman, to being .....what? I told you I had merged two Constance WICKERS and it turns out I had her married to brothers before I merged her. So now I'm looking for Ephiram(sic) and Rachel in order to find the right Matthew, and guess what? I don't have an Ephiram CREWS. I have one Ephraim(sic) m. to a Sarah Rosalee SEATS and one Ephriam(sic) m. to Rosa TURNSTALL. So I guess I'll have to ask you to tell me more about this Ephiram. Who are his parents? Where does he fit in? I suppose I should know this and I'm going to go back and look at the Desc. Charts you and Brenda have sent the last few weeks, but maybe I'll get a clue from you before I can find him there. Oh, and who did Matthew, the son of James and Amelia CREWS marry? Do we have that info? Pat

Bren & Everyone else, Were all the children of John CREW (b. 31 Aug. 1800) and Marjorie ELLYSON born in Damascus, Ohio? If not where? While we're on this family, who were the parents of Marjorie ELLYSON? Thanks! Hazel

Dan: Thanks for the 1915 Oxford Ledger article. I did not know it existed! I can only help with question 1: Sheriff "Red Jim" Crews is James A. Crews, son of Meredith Crews and grandson of Caleb Crews. Not to be confused with the James A. Crews ("Tar River Jimmie") who is the son of James Crews and Sarah Jones Earl. Source: Richard H. Thornton Library, Oxford, NC; "Hays Collection"; Crews volume; page 227. Thanks again, Thomas Randolph (Randy) Crews

Pat, I admit the 1755 birthdate for Alexander Crews seems fishy. Perhaps the source is mistaken. Even Folks Huxford gives this date but I don't know his source- on this matter I refer to David Harris's reasoning. Hopefully we can "resolve" this issue. ____ Frank [email protected] [email protected]

Folks, Bob Jordon's note on the Crews line from Granville Co., NC reminded me of an newspaper article originally published in 1915 that I promised to send to Hazel Knight several weeks ago. Since I now have access to scanner, I've decided to post this article here on-line in case anyone else is interested. A note of caution - this is a long article, and anyone not interested in the Granville line should probably hit their delete key now! For those of you who hang in there until the end, I've added a few questions and/or comments that may be of interest. +++++++++ PUBLIC LEDGER, Oxford North Carolina, Saturday, March 13, 1915 OUR COLONIAL ANCESTERS - FAMILY CONNECTIONS OF THE LATE ROBERT T. CREWS His Ancestry on Both Sides Have Been Residents of Granville Since Pre- Revolutionary Times. (Traced by Francis B. Hays) In a Journalistic experience extending over more than a quarter of a century it has been my lot to prepare obituary notices of many men and women who had lived in many sections of the county. I have been impressed by the fact that in the cases of New Englanders and people of New England descent, the biographical data often contained mention by name of the ancestors of the deceased for many generations. In the cases of Southern people this has not been so noticeable. One or the principal differences between the peoples of - let us say, for illustration, Massachusetts and North Carolina - is that the former have an inordinate desire to regulate other folks' conduct, while the other are characterized by a hereditary disinclination to be told by anybody what they shall or shall not do. Accordingly public or semi-public records of family history have been kept in Massachusetts from the earliest times, while in North Carolina, even in this twentieth century, birth and deaths, for instances, are not recorded in anything approaching a systematic manner. While I realize that it is considered in North Carolina to be lese-majesty (or treason to the sovereign people) to suggest that something outside the State is better than anything inside her borders, still I notice in the papers that Senator Hobgood, of Guilford, said that North Carolina had learned something of democracy from Nebraska and New Jersey, and that Judge Clark commends him, so I am going to be equally reckless and express belief that the Old North State might get a few points on keeping vital statistics from Massachusetts. And when she makes use of these points, she will probably at the same time engender in her people, individually, a greater pride in their ancestry. For pioneer North Carolinians, while they may not have landed on Plymouth Rock to escape persecution in England, did settle in their Province or State to rid themselves of the undemocratic rule of the more thickly settled portions of the colonies near the large harbors, and we have every right to be proud of our sturdy and liberty-loving forebears. Some of the foregoing thoughts were suggested to me by the death of Robert T. Crews. His ancestry on both sides have been residents of Granville County since pre-Revolutionary times, and his relatives include many or the oldest families and most influential people in this section of the country. His father was James A. Crews (who used to be familiarly referred to as "Tar River Jimmy," to distinguish him from his father, James Crews; from James B. Crews, of Oxford; from "Red Jim" Crews, who was Sheriff of the County about thirty years ago, and from perhaps others of the same name). James Crews, the father, lived to be some four score years and ten and was a famous man in his community and church. He was one of the founders of Salem church, donated the land on which it stands, and was the leading member of its congregation for many years. He was the son of Gideon Crews, who signed the oath of allegiance to North Carolina in 1778. In 1806 James Crews married Sarah Earl, daughter of John Earl, whose father came from England and was followed by his sweetheart, Mollie Watts (who was a near relative, perhaps a sister, of Isaac Watts, the hymn writer). The blushing maiden was met on the boat by her old swain and a parson, and when she set foot on the soil of the New World she was a married woman. The name Earl seems to have died out in this county as a surname, but is preserved as a Christian name by some of the descendants of the English-American couple. The late Robert T. Crews� mother was Martha Ann Hunt. She was the daughter of David Hunt, who was one of the eleven children of John Hunt and his wife Frances Penn. John Hunt�s mother was Mourning Hunt. Frances Penn was a daughter of Mary Taylor Penn, who in turn was a daughter of John Taylor, who died in this country two years before Washington became President. This John Taylor, a great-great-great grandfather of Robert T. Crews, is the most remote ancestor of his that I am able to trace, although the late Theodore B. Kingsbury refers to John Taylor�s father, James Taylor, as being an Englishman living in Virginia. (Continued in Next Issue). PUBLIC LEDGER, Oxford North Carolina, Saturday, March 17, 1915 OUR COLONIAL ANCESTERS - FAMILY CONNECTIONS OF THE LATE ROBERT T. CREWS TRACED His Ancestry on Both Sides Have Been Residents of Granville Since Pre- Revolutionary Times. (By Francis B. Hays) (Concluded) Now, to go up the line of our ancestors is one thing and to trace all the descendants of these ancestors is quite another. Time and space do not permit me, and if they did I have not the requisite knowledge to name the collateral kin of the man whose recent death set in motion this train of thought. But just to convey some of the extent to which they have aided in the populating and building up of the county I will mention a few here and there. The numerous and influential Crews family of Granville is well known. Most of its members are descendants of Gideon Crews, father of Gideon Jr. and grandfather of three girls who married Manson Breedlove, John Sears, and Solomon Cottrell. The children of Gideon's son James, brother of Gideon Jr., were: James A. (father of Robert T.), Rebecca (married J. Cheatham and was the mother of Theodore, Thomas, William and the first Mrs. A. C. Parham), Mary (married W. O. Wright and went West), Martha (married Joseph Penn Hunt and was the mother of Mrs. Sallie Crews, Mrs. John H. Breedlove, Mrs. B. I. Breedlove, Mrs. Ella Fuller, D. N. Hunt and others), Thomas (father of Norfleet G. Crews and others), Edward N., Isabella (married B. W. Hicks and was the mother of Archibald A. Hicks), Susan G. (the only one surviving, married George W. Hunt, and is the mother of Junius Penn Hunt, the late Mrs. Joseph Parham, Mrs. Charles F. Crews, and others), and Melissa (married Rev. W. S. Hester and was the mother of Mrs. R. J. Aiken, Mrs. D. N. Hunt, Mrs. J. M. Rhodes, of Littleton, and others). Among the descendants of the Earl-Watts couple are most of the Harrises of Granville and Vance counties. One of the Harris girls, a granddaughter of this couple, married Abner Hicks and became the grandmother of Archibald A. Hicks. Another married Dr. Samuel Duty, at one time pastor of Grassy Creek Baptist Church. He had no sons, but thirteen daughters, several of whom married and brought up large families in Granville and elsewhere. The only one of the daughters was has lived in Oxford during the memory of the present generation was the late Mrs. Sally Duty Hays. Mourning Hunt who was, as we have just seen, the great-great-grandmother of Robert T. Crews, married twice, her second marriage having been to William Hicks. It is in the Hunt rather than the Hicks line that we are interested just now. John Hunt, as above mentioned, married Frances Penn, daughter of Mary Taylor Penn, daughter of John Taylor. This John Taylor had a large family. One of his children, Edward, was the father of Lewis, who was the great-grandfather of T. G. Taylor, Mrs. C. D. H. Fort, Mrs. R. B. Hines, J. Arch Taylor, Richard P. Taylor, and others, including Susan and Robert Pelham, who changed their name from Potter, their father having been the brilliant, fiery and notorious Robert Potter. Another of John Taylor's daughters, Catherine, married Moses Penn. These were the parents of John Penn who became immortal by signing the Declaration of Independence. He was a Granville county man although born in Virginia. In a Fourth of July oration delivered in the Orphan Asylum chapel in 1876, the late Dr. Theodore B. Kingsbury made the error of stating that the Hunt family was descended from John Penn, the signer, and this error has been repeated many times and in various places. It appears in the obituary notices of some of the Hunts who died while Dr. Kingsbury was doing newspaper work here in Oxford. In an editorial in the Wilmington Messenger twenty years later Dr. Kingsbury admitted that he might have been wrong in saying that John Penn was the ancestor of the Hunts of Granville. Still another of the Taylor sisters married a Bullock and was the great-grandmother of the late James A. Bullock, Mrs. Lucy O. Gregory and J. M. B. Hunt, all people well known in this county not so many years ago. Through the Taylors Mr. Crews was related also to the Thorps, the Lewises, the Robards and other old Granville families. But this is a digression from the Hunt line. John Hunt and his wife, Frances Penn, had eleven children - seven girls and four boys. One of the girls married Randal Minor, an early member of the well-known Granville family of that name. One of the boys, David, married Miss High, and they were the parent's of Martha Ann (married James A. Crews), Charity (married Mr. Reavis of Franklin County), and Robert (married Miss Terrell, of Franklin County). Another son of John Hunt and Frances Penn was John Penn Hunt, who married Sarah Longmire. This couple were the parents of Hannah (married Franklin Crews and was the mother of the late E. T. Crews), Joseph Penn (married Martha M., daughter of James Crews, some of whose children are mentioned above), Geo. W. (married Susan C., daughter of James Crews, some of whose children are mentioned above), John W. (father of Charles, who lived in Oxford as a young man some thirty years ago. This John was at different times sheriff, register of deeds and clerk of the court of Person County and was not the John W. Hunt who died in Oxford last year), Robert Longmire (father of Mrs. Rom. Parker, Dr. J. G. Hunt, J. Sidney Hunt, and R. L. Hunt, Jr., all of whom have died in recent years), David Alexander (father of Mrs. S. W. Parker, Mrs. John Davis, Miss Flora W. Henry, D. Cameron, and the late Herndon and Rhodes Hunt, and of James T. (father of Mrs. E. T. White and Mrs. Kate White). While but a comparatively few of the relatives of the recently deceased Mr. Crews have been pointed out, enough have been mentioned to show the thread of consanguinity (much attenuated, at times, it is true) which binds together some of the older families in this section of the country. Our people are noted for their conservatism. Many have stuck to their native county for generations. Few immigrants from foreign shores have moved in and intermarried with our natives, so that unmixed, American blood which came down from our Colonial ancestors courses through the veins of a large proportion of the inhabitants of Granville. END OF ARTICLE ++++++++++ Questions and/or comments: 1. Can anyone place "Red Jim" Crews? I'd like to know how he ties in. 2. Mollie (Mary Elizabeth) Watts was probably not the sister of Isaac Watts (who wrote "Joy to the World" and many other hymns), but they may have been related. Isaac Watts was born in 1674, or 40 to 60 years prior to Mary Elizabeth. Has anyone researched this connection? 3. The James Taylor mentioned in this article as the possible great- grandfather of John Penn (signer of the Declaration of Independence) and great-great-great-great grandfather of Robert T. Crews is also reportedly the great-great grandfather of Presidents James Madison and Zachery Taylor. Dan Fawcett

Frank, I received the articles yesterday and thank you so much. I can see what you mean about the b/d of Alexander CREWS and Dempsey Dubois CREWS, etc. The article probably wouldn't have been written if not for the fact that the GRANDFATHER of Rev. Thomas CREWS had been born 200 YEARS earlier than the date of the article [1955]! And that puts his b/d in 1755. He couldn't have fought in the Rev. War if he was b. in 1775 like we thought. 1. We have abt 1750 as b/d for John, father of Alexander. That date has to drop down to at abt 1730/35 and we might just look all the way back to 1700 for him. 2. If Alexander was b. in 1755, he was 30 y.o. when Lucy DUBOIS was b. in 1785. 3. Since Alexanders' first child was b. abt 1795 when he was 40 and Lucy only 10, he must have had a first wife (actually we have 4 ch. for her so we know she existed) and she died about 1804 and probably in childbirth since their last child was b. in 1804. And Lucy and Alexander were married in 1804. 4. Lucy was 19 when she married and became step-mother to 4 children 5. Alexander was about 30 y.o. when his brothers were born starting in 1785 and he was 50 when the last one was b. in 1805. These b/d's were the main reason we rejected Lucy HARDWICK as their mother since John CREWS & Lucy HARDWICK were married in 1795. But why was there a gap of 30 years between Alex. and his brothers? 6. Alex's last child was b. abt 1827 when he was 72! An amazing man! I've got to think about all this for awhile. And I hope others will comment on this. It's all so hard to grasp. i.e. If the mother of Alexander was 20 y.o when he was born then she was 70 y.o. when she gave birth to his brother, John. OK, so maybe there was a second wife who m. his father, John, about 1784. But there's never been a mention of another wife for John CREWS. Strange. Pat