Pauline: I will try to do more digging later, both this is what I have for the GC=BR family (just from OPRs): GILBERT CRERAR = Barbara RATTRAY c. 1795 1. JOHN CRERAR (chr. 4 June 1797 Caputh) 2. ELISABETH CRERAR (chr. 14 Apr 1799 Caputh) 3. WILLIAM CRERAR (chr. 21 Dec 1800 Caputh) 4. JAMES CRERAR (chr. 21 Dec 1800 Caputh) And here are my "India Crerar families" (I hope that the formatting survives). Note that Peter G. Hewson of Australia is also researching this branch. I am in mid-move, but remind me later if I haven;t provided more information soon. Meanwhile, I'd welcome any further information that you may have. Best regards, David Crerar 4. India Blair Atholl-India - Australia Crerars: Family 1 I. CHARLES CRERAR (bc 1828 Scotland) = _________ They married around 1847. Charles was apparently head gamekeeper at Blair Atholl, but this is presumably a confusion with John and Charles Crerar, whose offspring are accounted for. A. JAMES CRERAR (bc 1848 Blair Atholl) = Isobel KING (bc 1849 India) James joined the British Army as a schoolteacher. After a posting in India, he met and married Isobel King around 1867 in India. They had four (?) children: 2. EDDY CRERAR (bc 1870 India) 3. HARRY CRERAR (bc 1872 India) 4. STELLA GEORGIANA KING CRERAR (bc 1873 India) = Henry THEOBALD They married 24 Apr 1885 India Bengal Jubbulpore [Christopher Hewson of Australia] Blair Atholl-India - Australia Crerars: Family 2 I. JAMES HENRY CRERAR (bc 1800 Dunkeld) = 1. Elizabeth GRAY (d. before 1830); 2. Jane CLARKE (d.before 1833); 3. Caroline BARCLAY James is reputed to be related to the famous John Crerar of Blair Atholl and his wife Annie Stewart [but no son of that name recorded -- perhaps from another Dunkeld/Blair Atholl family most likely related to John Crerar?]. He was a Sergeant in the Madras European Regiment. He arrived in India in 1819 and reinlisted on 2 March 1829. His ship arrived on Surry (?). It is believed that James married three times. James Henry Crerar married Elizabeth Gray 22 May 1821 at St. Andrews Church, Madras Presidency [N/2/13 f8]. James Henry Crerar (widower) married Jane Clarke (widow) on 4th August 1830 at Masipulatam [now Machillipatnam, N. of Madras, at mouth of Kistna River][N/2/14 f112]. James Henry Crerar (widower) married Caroline Barclay (Widow - Indo-Britain) on 9 April 1833 at Secunderabad [Central-Southern India, N. of Hyderabad]. Apparently James and Caroline had a daughter, Alice (but not confirmed) [likely Alice, below]. James and Caroline had two sons: A. WILLIAM CRERAR (b. 17 January 1835 Nagpur, Bengal; chr. 26 January 1835 - d 30 Mar 1871 Seetabuldee) = Isabella Georgiana KING Ellen Cox's great-great-grandfather . He was baptised at Nagpur, Bengal Presidency [S. of Chhindwara]. They lived in Chhindwara [in Narsinghpur, Central India, SW of Jabalpur]. Isobel was the daughter of Dr. Donald King. William died at Seetabuldee in 1871 of aneurysm of the aorta. They had two daughters: 1. MARY CAROLYN KING CRERAR (b. 10 May 1861; chr.11 December 1861- d. 1863 Kawtah, India) Her father's profession was listed as "Head Clerk". She died at two-and-a-half years old. She is referred to as the daughter of "Mr. W. Crerar" [Times of India Death Notices: 1863 December: http://users.synflux.com.au/~sylcec/dod63.htm]. 2. EDITH MARGARET KING CRERAR (b. 30 October 1862, chr. Chhindwara, Bengal) = John Dalrymple CALLANDER (b. Devon - d Derby 1938) Ellen Cox's great-grandmother. Presidency 22 February 1863. Edith Margaret King Crerar (Eurasian) married John 16 November 1887 at Christ Church Jubbulpore [Jabalpur, N. of Chhindwara]. Her father William Crerar was listed on marriage certificate as dead. An internet posting records that: John Dalrymple Callender was born in Devon and joined the Royal Warwickshire regiment in the 1880s and was posted to Jubbulpore There he met and married Edith King Crerar and they proceeded to have many children in a variety of army locations including Jubbulpore, Mooltan, Colombo, Kandy, Malta and Dublin, finally returning to the UK between 1905 -1910, when his son of the same name as himself married in Lichfield. He appears to have continued to serve in the army getting a medal in 1914 and then moving to the Royal Worcestershire Reserve Battalion. He moved around the country quite a bit and eventually died in Derby in 1938, where he is buried in an unmarked grave. a. John Dalrymple CALLANDER b. (many other children) CALLANDER 3. HARRY WILLIAM KING CRERAR born 18 Jan. 1864; chr. 29 May 1864 Kamptee - d 5 Feb. 1913) = Mary Ann QUIGLEY They married 12 July 1888 at Sibi. He was a ticket collector NW Railway). Harry died on 5 February1913 from an accidental fall. They had two children: a. HAROLD ST. VINCENT CRERAR (b. 16 June 1888 Sibi ) b. EILEEN STELLA CRERAR (b. 1892) = George CRUNDEN They married 10 August 1908. They lived at Quetta. 4. GEORGIANA STELLA KING CRERAR (b. 2 March 1867; chr. 31 Oct. 1867 St. Thomas Cathedral Bombay) 5. CHARLOTTE MARIA CRERAR (b.12 August 1868 India - d 1934 India) = Charles Donald Lewis BIRD (bc 1857 Gravesend, Kent, England - d 29 October 1925 Lebong, Darjeeling, W.Bengal, India) They married 30 March 1891 in Jubbulpore [Jabalpur], Madhya, Bengal, India [N.India, SE of Delhi]. Charles was the 32-year-old son of Henry Lewis Bird and Elizabeth Gee. Charlotte was 23 years old. Charlotte's father was listed as William [not James] Crerar [related to family below?]. The celebrant was T.E.F. Cole, Chaplain. Witnesses were Thomas King, Supt. Com. Off., and J.H. Forth. a. ___daughter_____BIRD = ________ Hewson i. Peter G. Hewson (of 29 Scanlon Wat, Lockridge, Western Australia, 6054, who is researching this branch of the family and from whom all of this information comes.) b. Alice Bird = 1. Albert Diamond; 2. Norman O'Conner-Byrne Their grandson is Kevin Diamond, Perth, Western Australia. 6. THOMAS KING CRERAR (b. 21 June 1870; chr. 23 August 1870 Seetabuldee - d 31 July 1871 of convulsions, Seetabuldee) B. JOHN CRERAR (b. 29 August 1837; chr. 16 October 1837) [Oriental and India Office Collections Records, London] C. EMILY CRERAR (b. 28 Nov. 1838; chr. 25 Dec. 1838 Nagpur) (d. of James Henry and Caroline) = John MARTIN India Strays: ALICE CRERAR (b. 20 March 1844 Kampter - d 17 Sept. 1879) = Abel GILLON (b. 22 April 1839 Pursewalkum, Madras) [Alice, daughter of William, above?] They married at St Mathias Church, Veperi, Madras City on 10 October 1860. Alice was buried at Pothanore Cemetery [located on SW Line, immediately SW of Madras City]. They had ten children, all baptised in Pothanore. Abel then married Eveline Marian Stock-Dale Barnett (b. 2 March 1865 St Thomas Mount), on 22 June 1881, at the railway reading room, Pothanore. They had 8 children [Iris Hector: trevorhector@ukonline.co.uk] ALAISTER NORMAN CRERAR (bc 1903 - d 3 August 1955 Cinnamara, India) Alaister was a tea planter in Cinnamara, Assam, in North-East India. It is the rainiest region in the world. He died of an internal hemorrhage and was buried 4 August 1955 at Cinnamara, Grave 86, by Reverend John Nelson, a minister of the Church of Scotland [Register of burials, Kirk Session, ISC, on internet] ----- Original Message ----- From: <crerar-request@rootsweb.com> To: <crerar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: CRERAR Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. James CRERAR son of Gilbert (PaulineMunns@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:57:44 EST > From: PaulineMunns@aol.com > Subject: [CRERAR] James CRERAR son of Gilbert > To: CRERAR@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c70.26fbe26f.34f44d88@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Hallo fellow CRERAR researchers. > I have just joined this List as I am in search of information about my > great > great great grandfather James Henry Crerar from the Dunkeld area of > Perthshire, who joined the Madras European Regiment of the East India > Company and > went to India on the ship 'Surry' in 1819. > Other descendants give his parents as Gilbert Crerar and Barbara Rattray. > Slight variations regarding his age on the records I have found in the > British > Library have cast a slight shadow of doubt in my mind. He was born between > 1799 and 1801. > Researches on Scotlandspeople show that the James, son of Gilbert and > Barbara was from Mickleour and was baptised with his twin brother > William on > 21.12.1800 in Caputh. > However there was another James Crerar son of Donald Crerar and Catharine > Anderson baptized in Kenmore 08.06.1799 and also James Crerar son of > James > Crerar and Elizabeth Anderson baptized in Weem 03.041799. > I would like confirm that Gilbert Crerar and Barbara Rattray really are > my > James's parents. > He is said to have had a brother John and a sister Elizabeth. I would > also > love to know what happened to his siblings and whether there are any > descendants. > Also anything about the recruitment in Scotland by the East India > Company. > > I look forward to hearing from anyone who might be able to help. > Many thanks in anticipation. > > Pauline in Wiltshire,England > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CRERAR list administrator, send an email to > CRERAR-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CRERAR mailing list, send an email to > CRERAR@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CRERAR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CRERAR Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1 > ************************************