Hi there. I have not done any family research for a few years now  your post with CRERAR caught my eye when I was checking an old email address this morning. I am descended from James Henry Crerar baptised in Caputh, Perthshire 1800. A few years ago I was in touch with Christopher Hewson. I would be very interested in following your new list. I am not on Ancestry but my husband is. It may be time for me to restart my researches.Thank you for posting. Pauline MunnsSent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: "Meg Greenwood {scotquester@bartnet.net}" <scotquester@bartnet.net> Date: 01/03/2020 23:04 (GMT+00:00) To: List - CRERAR <CRERAR@rootsweb.com> Subject: [CRERAR] End of CRERAR Mailing List at Ancestry Ancestry is closing ALL of its Mailing Lists on March 2.  ONLY the past messages [called the List Archives] will remain viewable in the future.  ALL Message Boards, however, will remain open as usual. There are no 'new' Mailing Lists being made by Ancestry to replace the current ones expiring now.  Each Listowner [Manager] can begin a new List somewhere else on the internet if they are able to, however that is a task that is difficult to complete for many current Listowners including myself.There is a website called Groups.io that some of the Listowners have selected as a place they are going to start up a Mailing List like Rootsweb had for their surnames of interest or locations.  I will be starting a Groups List for some of the surnames I have an interest in however not all have been active for several years, there are no subscribers for many of the surname Lists I formerly managed.  This CRERAR List had only 2 subscribers and that was over 2 years ago.  I will get a few of these surname Lists started this week at Groups.io however it won't be all.  Anyone reading this will need to go to the homepage [Groups.io] and look above the elephant herd picture on the left side of blue bar for the clickable phrase Find Or Creat A Group.  A new page will then appear with a box on the left side showing topics, one is a search By Name.  Enter CRERAR [or any other surname you might be researching] and see if any Group has been created yet. Joining is FREE and it seems to be a bit more user friendly than before. Please read Dick Eastman's blurb on the Ancestry shutdown of these Lists and how Groups.io works...https://blog.eogn.com/2020/01/10/groups-io-the-do-it-yourself-replacement-for-disappearing-message-boards-and-mailing-lists/Tiny URL is this...      https://tinyurl.com/wravfcfIts a rather long discussion though it quikly covers a lot of needed topics for internet users and explains options other than signing up at Groups.io.  To subscribe, basically you find the Crerar Group [after I set it up, it will show upon searching for Crerar surname] The surname page has a tab or button to click saying you want to JOIN it.  Of course a Password and eMail address are going to be needed by then to complete the sign up. You receive a welcoming eMail and learn how to send comments, questions, pictures and data to the List and how to UNsubscribe later.  Consider personally starting a surname group for any of your own family names.I do hope this small group of ours gets active again and that Groups.io will be a safe, sincere and simple solution to losing the Mailing Lists.  I will post to the new CRERAR List once it gets started.  Hope we get some new subscribers !  Meg Greenwood / Former Admin for Ancestry's Crerar Mailing List=========================================================_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/crerar@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Ancestry is closing ALL of its Mailing Lists on March 2.  ONLY the past messages [called the List Archives] will remain viewable in the future.  ALL Message Boards, however, will remain open as usual. There are no 'new' Mailing Lists being made by Ancestry to replace the current ones expiring now.  Each Listowner [Manager] can begin a new List somewhere else on the internet if they are able to, however that is a task that is difficult to complete for many current Listowners including myself. There is a website called Groups.io that some of the Listowners have selected as a place they are going to start up a Mailing List like Rootsweb had for their surnames of interest or locations.  I will be starting a Groups List for some of the surnames I have an interest in however not all have been active for several years, there are no subscribers for many of the surname Lists I formerly managed.  This CRERAR List had only 2 subscribers and that was over 2 years ago.  I will get a few of these surname Lists started this week at Groups.io however it won't be all.  Anyone reading this will need to go to the homepage [Groups.io] and look above the elephant herd picture on the left side of blue bar for the clickable phrase Find Or Creat A Group.  A new page will then appear with a box on the left side showing topics, one is a search By Name.  Enter CRERAR [or any other surname you might be researching] and see if any Group has been created yet. Joining is FREE and it seems to be a bit more user friendly than before. Please read Dick Eastman's blurb on the Ancestry shutdown of these Lists and how Groups.io works... https://blog.eogn.com/2020/01/10/groups-io-the-do-it-yourself-replacement-for-disappearing-message-boards-and-mailing-lists/ Tiny URL is this...      https://tinyurl.com/wravfcf Its a rather long discussion though it quikly covers a lot of needed topics for internet users and explains options other than signing up at Groups.io.  To subscribe, basically you find the Crerar Group [after I set it up, it will show upon searching for Crerar surname] The surname page has a tab or button to click saying you want to JOIN it.  Of course a Password and eMail address are going to be needed by then to complete the sign up. You receive a welcoming eMail and learn how to send comments, questions, pictures and data to the List and how to UNsubscribe later.  Consider personally starting a surname group for any of your own family names. I do hope this small group of ours gets active again and that Groups.io will be a safe, sincere and simple solution to losing the Mailing Lists.  I will post to the new CRERAR List once it gets started.  Hope we get some new subscribers !  Meg Greenwood / Former Admin for Ancestry's Crerar Mailing List =========================================================

In case you are subscribed to some of the Rootsweb Mailing Lists that are busier than the CRERAR List, you may have seen a barrage of spam in the past 2 days hitting the Lists. Its being worked on and was due to changes/upgrades in Lists and a back door was opened allowing lots of spam to hit the larger Lists. Please ignore it and do not click on links, Rootsweb is working on the problem as so much has inundated subscribers' Inboxes, literally everything has been offered from foreign females to insurance. Give it some time, use your DELETE key liberally and do not forward it without snipping the link/s. Many thanks for your patience ! Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA / Admin for CRERAR List Sending this to other Lists I have ========================

CRERAR Listmembers..... You may have noticed on other Lists that Rootsweb has changed the way the SENDER of a Post is shown. The goal is to keep the Lists safer from hacking, spam receipt and other invasion related problems Lists have had in past months. The changes seem to pretty much be done, however its likely to be an ongoing process with new defenses coming and going. All your current and future Posts will be sent as you have always done with the eMail addresses you've always used. Receiving Posts has not changed. Just watch carefully when you construct a REPLY to make sure it goes to the right place.....the actual SENDER or the LIST. Since many of us have differing eMail software, the way the message headings are shown can be radically different from patron to patron. For now, the SENDER is still visible but not exactly as before. Rootsweb now shows several headings including Sender, Receiver and List Name but may show more items like Reply To and CC [carbon copy, means 'also sent to']. When you hit REPLY to send an answer to any Post you may have read, just watch to see what ADDRESS it is going to. It may be the actual SENDER who personally is getting your reply, or it may be the LIST itself that is getting your reply. BEFORE the changes, the SENDER was a PERSON...someone who Posted a message to a Rootsweb Mailing List. NOW, the SENDER is considered to be the LIST you are subscribed to. the robot computer that does all the sorting and sending to the various Lists and Message Boards is sending your post, it makes a big difference in how to keep toxic bits out of the Lists and out of Rootsweb in general. For the 16 Lists I Admin, a REPLY is set up to go to the entire LIST. It will stay that way........just watch to be sure a personal message isn't going to the whole List Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA/ List Admin for CRERAR Send queries to ME here..... CRERAR-admin@rootsweb.com Search Mailing Lists here ...... http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ You do NOT need to be subscribed to READ posts in any List, just to POST. Excuse the CAPS, they are to focus on the changes. ====================================

CRERAR Listmembers - you've probably seen more spam hit the Mailing Lists at Rootsweb recently. They are formatted all pretty much the same and are all SPAM ! They all begin with a benign greeting like 'Hi !' Or 'Get a load of this !' and then a URL usually in blue as an active hyperlink. Not much if anything after that. If you READ the letters and symbols in the link, you can usually detect some words that are not normally included in PROPER eMails. DVD, TV, Cars, Watches, Condominiums, Free Money if you send shipping costs, plus more new avenues of making money hand over fist [you bet] are what is being offered, those words are occasionally viewable in the URL. Don't get sucked in....if you WANT to clik it, the spam has done its job !!! These are always deleted from the Archives of every Mailing List that is hit but it takes time. I am the Administrator of a few small surname Lists so the chances of having someone's eMail address book HIJACKED is very slim.....but its been happening at a faster rate in the past few days. BE ON THE WATCH for suspect eMails and DO NOT FORWARD THEM BACK TO ANY LIST evern if you are asking about it. DELETE it right away. Then you can ask the person who sent it if they really did send it. If you feel you MUST have some of the infected site in the eMail, PLEASE REMOVE PART OF THE URL. That makes it ineffective and it will not send anyone else who gets it to any website whether its legit or not. All of the Lists I 'own' are very small and I hope no subscribers are hijacked but we have to remain watchful, sometimes computers are shared and unsuspecting people see these and clik them. That puts you at risk of infection by malware too. Just DELETE it. DON'T GO to it. If it turns out to be legitimate and someone sent a REAL genealogical website in that format with no explanation, just the URL, they deserve being deleted. You can get the URL again from the List Archives if its OK. Use the Homepage for that Rootsweb Mailing List and select BROWSE to get all posts in date order. Just give it a few days to be REMOVED so you won't clik on the offending link. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA / Admin of the CRERAR List ================================================

Spam is not a normal topic for any of the Mailing Lists however there seems to be a huge amoung showing up in many of the Lists lately as addresses are being harvested left and right from Subscriber's address books. I Administrate some Mailing Lists including this one. Please let me send a few words about what is getting through to hundreds of Lists lately. I am sending this to the Lists I have as so much has been getting through in the past 2-3 days however none has yet reached here. We are a small List, that's probably why we haven't yet been hit. Any eMail you get from Message Boards or Mailing Lists as well as personal mail that has a format described below is HIGHLY LIKELY to be infected. Delete it without clicking anything or your address book will probably be next. LOOK at the list of addresses its being sent to. Its haphazard and you are one of a dozen or more and you don't know any of the other addresses. There may be nothing in the Subject line. There is very little heading to explain what it is and I've never yet been addressed by my name, only by my address. Look at the WORDS it contains squished together in the URL they've sent. They'll be very suspect. None of this is of any use to Genealogists. Do not write back to the Sender unless you know them, their address book has been harvested and their computer is at risk, they'll be busy getting a new eMail address and clearing their machine of any other bugs it has picked up. Its advised to be OVERLY cautious with ANY eMail that looks so different and is not as you'd expect. Delete it. And DO NOT FORWARD IT and DO NOT RESEND BACK to any of the Lists. If you feel you must forward it, snip something from the URL of the spam address, thus making it incomplete and useless, thats been done below as an example, its the only way to safely forward/copy/ask about this kind of junk. Sample spam URL made ineffective..... http://big42inchlcdtvdeal.com/[snipped] Best is to DELETE anything that looks remotely like an ad.....if its made you even THINK of clikking on it to see what it is.....its spam and may invade your computer, that's what its supposed to do ! Please send any questions about spam/ads/bugs to me. Meg Greenwood / Admin for this and a few other Lists scotquester@bartnet.net

From a microfilm of Sighthill Cemetery entries for 1906-1913 : 1906, December 29th entry...Catherine CRERAR wife of Donald CRERAR of 76 North Woodside Road. #3, class K. Age 60 years. Died the 27th, buried the 29th, Saturday at 2:30pm.. Script number A900 [or A910]. Lairowner Donald CRERAR, Lair 83, class 7 buried at 6 foot level. Private : 1.2.6. [These last numbers are unknown as to what they mean, no GBP signs to indicate money but the column structure is the same as I've seen elsewhere for recording money taken in]. There is a column for 'Disease' but it contains no information, none were filled in that I viewed. This film is evidently of ALL burials at Sighthill for 1906-1913 with the information above. There are literally thousands of pages, most are quite legible and the filming was done well. Some pages are soiled or darkened near the bottom edge but it doesn't obscure any writing. The information contained is not of much genealogical value except for possibly the Lairowner's name and age at death, perhaps the column detailing where the body arrived from will be of some use. Its usually a residence but many entries have the name of a hospital or Poorhouse. Many are simply names of stillborn children as male or female and a given or last name only. There is NO name Index, all entries are in date order only so you must know the date of burial or at least the date of death which is usually pretty close to the date of burial. Write to me if you have any other CRERARs [or other names] that I can check on this film while its here. I have it until mid January, 2011. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ----------------------------------

This came in today, its from a South Dakota, USA newspaper listing a 2007 death. Nothing further is given for this death. Meg Greenwood ========================== Source: GEN-OBIT@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-OBIT] Obituary Daily Times v15No247 Obituary Daily Times v15#247 Visit the ODT web site at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~obituary> LAST NAME, First Name (MAIDEN); Age; Place of Death; Newspaper Name; Newspaper date ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- snip KLINGER, Winifred Elinor (CRERAR); 99; Lane SD>Colorado Springs CO; Bridgewater T (SD); 2007-8-9 snip

This must have been a well-known individual.with all these posts, does anyone on the List have him in their family tree ? MegG =========================== A result of your requested PML search. Crerar ============================== Source: NZ-HAWKES-BAY-N-POVERTY-BAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [NZ-HB-PB] HB Herald, Mon. Oct. 14, 1895 CRERAR snip The funeral of the late Mr J.M. CRERAR took place on Saturday, and was very largely attended. The Rev. J.G. PATERSON read the burial service at the grave in an impressive manner. ==============================

Questions answered ! This came in twice, once with each of these 2 Lists. MegG ------------------------------------ Source: NZ-HAWKES-BAY-N-POVERTY-BAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [NZ-HB-PB] HB Herald, Fri. Oct. 11, 1895 CRERAR.RICH Source: SCOTLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOTLAND-ROOTS] HB Herald, Fri. Oct. 11, 1895 CRERAR NZ DEATH - CRERAR - At his residence, Madeira road, NAPIER, on 10th October, 1895, John M'Diarmid CRERAR, formerly of KENMORE, PERTHSHIRE, SCOTLAND, aged 53(?) years. The funeral will leave his late residence on Saturday, at 3 p.m. ----------------------------------

Am forwarding this almost in its entirety, it has to do completely with Mr. John CRERAR's death in 1905 in New Zealand. Since it was a newspaper obit, it was meant for public reading, only left out the name of the transcriber. Anyone know where this man originated ? His age was not mentioned, nor was his place of birth or family names. Meg Greenwood ========================= A result of your requested PML search. Crerar ========================= Source: NZ-HAWKES-BAY-N-POVERTY-BAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [NZ-HB-PB] HB Herald, Fri. Oct. 11, 1895 CRERAR OBIT We are grieved to have to record the death of a most estimable citizen in the person of Mr John CRERAR of this town. The late Mr CRERAR had been in delicate health for some time past, suffering from cancer on the liver, so that his death, which took place yesterday, came in the shape of a blessed release from pain and suffering. Mr CRERAR came to NAPIER some ten years ago and took over the booksellers' business at that time carried on by Messrs DINWIDDIE, WALKER and Co. in Tennyson street, and subsequently removed into Hastings street, where stands the establishment bearing his name. A genial man of integrity irreproachable, the deceased will be much missed in NAPIER. In CANTERBURY, too, and along the west coast of the SOUTH ISLAND, his loss will be mourned by many old settlers. The late Mr CRERAR was a keen bowler, and on the local green, as elsewhere, his loss will be severely felt. He leaves a widow and a grown-up family. ============================

A further mention of the Australian CRERAR family came into that same Message Board - Victoria, Australia. Here is what was posted to the corresponding Mailing List as the 2 are gatewayed. This is the entire post, since its intended for public notice, I have to think this person is OK with having it passed along. I hope so, there's very little I could delete and keep the basic information together .... MegG in OK ========================= ============================ A result of your requested PML search. Crerar ============================ Source: AUS-VIC@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Crerar This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marymac34 Surnames: Crerar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/9073.2.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Marg, Did you see any adoption papers. Mary Crerar & William Page adopted a girl named Hazel McClean she used their surname Page so i assume it was legal. She died after their son William, he died in 1989. Thanks, Mary ======================

This came in to me yesterday, the Message Board link will take you to a Rootsweb board for Victoria, Australia. An Edith Clara HALL wed to Alexander Crerar, 1911. Not much information on the CRERAR, a bit more about the HALL in theoriginal post. Meg Greenwood ====================================== A result of your requested PML search. Crerar ====================================== Source: AUS-VIC@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-VIC] Hall This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. snipped Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/9091/mb.ashx snipped

This came in today perhaps as a reply to the earlier query for Geoffrey CRERAR. Reply to the Message Board. MegG in OK ========================= Source: AUS-VIC@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Crerar This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mgor6 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/9073.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary, have found deaths. Surname: CRERAR Given Names: Alex Father: Crerar Jno Mother: Elizth GUTHRIE Death Place: HAWTHORN Age: 57 Year: 1940 Reg Number: 5936 Event: D Surname: CRERAR Given Names: Alfred Kirkley Father: John Mother: Elizabeth GUTHRIE Death Place: HEID Age: 67 Year: 1958 Reg Number: 4643 Event: D Surname: CRERAR Given Names: Jno Father: Crerar Alex Mother: May DUNCAN Death Place: WMSTOWN Age: 59 Year: 1924 Reg Number: 12557 Event: D Surname: CRERAR Given Names: Rose Father: Swanson Geo Mother: Frances Louisa SOUTH Death Place: DNONG Age: 83 Year: 1943 Reg Number: 15638 Event: D CRERAR Eliz d.1915 age 50 at Williamstown VIC [3443] father Jno GUTHRIE, mother Mary STEWART. CRERAR Alexander m. Edith HALL 1911 [8561] chn. Alfred b.1914, Thelma Edith May b.1916 CRERAR Mary Stewart Guthrie Ramsay m.1912 PAGE William Frederick George. Regards Eileen =================================

This came in today for the Australia Victoria Message Board, I didn't do a search to see if this person is a member of this List. Reply to the Message Board if you have information. Meg G in Oklahoma USA ============================================== A result of your requested PML search. Crerar ============================================== Source: AUS-VIC@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-VIC] Crerar This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marymac34 Surnames: Crerar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/9074/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Trying to find information on Geoffrey Crerar. Born 1937 ? Died between 1985 & 1990 Australia. Father Alfred Crerar Born 1914 Died 1985 Australia Mother Lanoma Elleen Can anyone help me please? Mary =========================

This is a public notice, I hope it qualifies for sending-on an entire eMail. Not much is given for speaker Nancy CRERAR, maybe she's on this list ??? There is a contact given [phone number and website of interest]. MegG in OK ======================================= A result of your requested PML search. Crerar ======================================= Source: CA-SACRAMENTO-EVENTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [CA-SACRAMENTO-EVENTS] Davis Gen. Club meeting notice "Local Meeting Notice This Monday, May 18 at 1:00 p.m. at the Davis Senior Center, the Davis Genealogy Club presents ?Local Ancestor Detectives Reveal Secrets?, a presentation that brings together three active local family researchers to explain some of the creative methods they use to share the results of their hard work with their families. The speakers, Davis Genealogy Club members Alan Jackman and Nancy Crerar together with Mary Ann Smith, will show how they find and interview living relatives, use databases to create published genealogy volumes, and organize family reunions and media to share with their families. You are encouraged to bring items which you have prepared for your family members; i.e. scrapbooks, family history albums, posters, etc. We can all use a little inspiration! Delving into family genealogy requires detective skills. To some, family history research is more than finding birth and death dates. Fleshing out the daily activities and lifestyles of our ancestors can be quite a feat. Not only do these researchers uncover secrets of their ancestors through countless hours poring over courthouse records and sleuthing on the Internet, they also work hard to make their discoveries exciting to folks who are less passionate than we are about genealogy. Davis Genealogy Club meetings are open to the public and guests are welcome. We meet at the Davis Senior Center, 646 A Street. If you are a frequent guest, we invite you to join the club to help keep great speakers coming. Members are invited to small group discussion meetings on a variety of topics. To learn more about the club and library, visit davisgenealogy.org or call Lisa Henderson at 753-8943. ======================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

Delighted to keep passing along all the CRERAR hits that come in through my PML [personalized mailing list] search with Rootsweb. Still crop most out and keep only the CRERAR bits. if you should want to view the entire post go to the mailing list indicated and check the Archives for this day's posts. MegG in OK =================================== ======================================= A result of your requested PML search. Crerar ======================================= Source: AUS-VIC@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Hall Family Tree This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. snipped> Found birth for an Edith Hall, 1888, father listed as Alixander, Mother Elizabeth Ann Stuart, South Melbourne, reg. no. 4630 Edith married an Alexander Crerar in South Melbourne, in 1911 reg. no. 8561. children born Alfred 1914 Thelma Edith May 1916 John Frederick Walter 1919 Edith Crerar died North Carlton, 1941, aged 54, reg. no. 10266 <snipped ========================================

This came in today and was worthy of passing along because of the mention of a Peter CRERAR. There is no further information on Peter or his family. Meg Greenwood ====================== Info is from the article "Scots to Nova Scotia in 1817- Perhaps On The "William Tell"" by Terrence M Punch, in the Nova Scotia Genealogist volume 3, 1985, Number 2, page 91 and 92. The petition Punch is speaking ofis dated 31 July 1817 and can be found in RG 5, Series GP, Vol 7, No 7, dated 31 July 1817. The petition is from a party of newly landed Scots immigrants seeking relief & assistance from the NS Govt. The Petition gives info concerning 94 arrivals in Pictou on that day perhaps on the William Tell The petitioners of 31 July 1817 were as follows, (in alphabetical order): snip Peter CRERAR, wife, 2 children snip

Stumbled across this while looking in Blackford records for another name. CRERAR just jumps out at me anymore. I'm not related to these 2 people [that I know of...]. Write if anyone could use the 2 JPGs containing this information. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA 1855 Marriage, Blackford, Perth, Scotland Entry #8 - Sept 18 at Blackford. Marriage after Banns in the Established Church of Scotland. James TAYLOR residing Blackford, 31y a Currier and Bachelor born and registered 1824 at Falkirk. Son of James TAYLOR, Cotton Weaver deceased and Margaret TAYLOR ms GLASS. Margaret CRERAR residing Blackford, 39y a House Keeper and Widow born and Registered July 28, 1816 at Blackford to James CRERAR, Agricultural Labourer deceased and Lillias BRYCE or CRERAR deceased. Signed John CLARK, Minister. Witnesses were James CRERER and Catherine BAYNE. Registered Sept 21 at Blackford, John Miller, Registrar. ======================

This came in today, I've deleted other entries, just the CRERAR phone is of interest. Meg G in Oklahoma ------------------------ ====================================== A result of your requested PML search. Crerar ====================================== Source: NZ-HAWKES-BAY-N-POVERTY-BAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [NZ-HB-PB] HB Herald, Wed. Sept. 11, 1895 Local news and McVicar The latest addition to the telephone exchange list is No. 257, J.M. CRERAR, stationer, Hastings street. <snip>