Leon, I have seen the same thing, rejected even with court witness afadavits. (I have a hard copy, my files, my family line..). I cannot say for sure, but I think the Dawes relied heavily (or maybe exclusively..) on the fact person applying , or parent/s having been on earlier native census previous rolls. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Understanding Rolls and Reserves >I know after reading the information provided by some of my grandmothers >relatives to the Dawes comission for creek Citizenship, and the number of >witnesses that testified that they knew the family to be Indian, and >descended from a Creek Indian named Samuel Low, the Dawes comission >rejected the family. > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Evelyn S. Leslie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Evelyn S. Leslie <[email protected]> >> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Understanding Rolls and Reserves >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:23 PM >> Kathie made a comment the other day concerning the Dawes >> Rolls: <This is complicated. If you are trying to >> understand it, let's keep with it until we all >> understand. >> >> Kathie > >> >> Boy, did she ever hit the nail on the head, and Kathie, I >> would like to add Reserves to that, also. Do you have a >> listing for the different land reserves "given" >> (for want of a better description) to different Creek groups >> following various treaties and the years they were given? >> The only one I have plenty of information on at my >> fingertips in my own files are the 30 reserves given to >> "certain friendly Chiefs and Indian countrymen" in >> 1817 for their service in the Creek war 1813-1814. The >> reason I have studied that one so much is because that >> happens to be my south Alabama family. However, I did have >> some in the 1830 (or 32?) reserves, also, but just piecemeal >> names and info and not a complete list. I have nothing on >> the Georgia Creeks and who received what and when. Were the >> same stipulations attached to each one, or did they change >> with each treaty as land was relinquished? There again, I >> know how it worked with the 1817 land but not the others. >> >> Also, one comment about the Dawes rolls. The testimony >> contained in some of the jackets for later descendants >> attempting to get enrolled in the Creek Nation West is >> heartbreaking. Some of them had been there ever since the >> removal or before while it was voluntary, but the Dawes >> Commission was totally heartless in their interviews and >> browbeat them so I'm surprised they could remember their >> own names. All that before telling many of them they were >> not eligible - so sad. >> >> Thanks! >> Evelyn Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >