Well, basically most of the tribal rolls have been a mess since they were first started as many people were left off the rolls, while some were added that should not have been listed --- On Sat, 8/9/08, csmoke <[email protected]> wrote: > From: csmoke <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Understanding Rolls and Reserves > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 12:46 AM > Leon, > I have seen the same thing, rejected even with court > witness afadavits. (I > have a hard copy, my files, my family line..). I cannot > say for sure, but I > think the Dawes relied heavily (or maybe exclusively..) on > the fact person > applying , or parent/s having been on earlier native census > previous rolls. > > Richard B. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Beard" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Understanding Rolls and > Reserves > > > >I know after reading the information provided by some > of my grandmothers > >relatives to the Dawes comission for creek Citizenship, > and the number of > >witnesses that testified that they knew the family to > be Indian, and > >descended from a Creek Indian named Samuel Low, the > Dawes comission > >rejected the family. > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Evelyn S. Leslie > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> From: Evelyn S. Leslie > <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Understanding Rolls and > Reserves > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:23 PM > >> Kathie made a comment the other day concerning the > Dawes > >> Rolls: <This is complicated. If you are > trying to > >> understand it, let's keep with it until we all > >> understand. > >> > >> Kathie > > >> > >> Boy, did she ever hit the nail on the head, and > Kathie, I > >> would like to add Reserves to that, also. Do you > have a > >> listing for the different land reserves > "given" > >> (for want of a better description) to different > Creek groups > >> following various treaties and the years they were > given? > >> The only one I have plenty of information on at my > >> fingertips in my own files are the 30 reserves > given to > >> "certain friendly Chiefs and Indian > countrymen" in > >> 1817 for their service in the Creek war 1813-1814. > The > >> reason I have studied that one so much is because > that > >> happens to be my south Alabama family. However, I > did have > >> some in the 1830 (or 32?) reserves, also, but just > piecemeal > >> names and info and not a complete list. I have > nothing on > >> the Georgia Creeks and who received what and when. > Were the > >> same stipulations attached to each one, or did > they change > >> with each treaty as land was relinquished? There > again, I > >> know how it worked with the 1817 land but not the > others. > >> > >> Also, one comment about the Dawes rolls. The > testimony > >> contained in some of the jackets for later > descendants > >> attempting to get enrolled in the Creek Nation > West is > >> heartbreaking. Some of them had been there ever > since the > >> removal or before while it was voluntary, but the > Dawes > >> Commission was totally heartless in their > interviews and > >> browbeat them so I'm surprised they could > remember their > >> own names. All that before telling many of them > they were > >> not eligible - so sad. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Evelyn Leslie > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > >> the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >