Thanks, Paul, for being straight with me. I will say, though, that I don't agree with all of Woodward's info, either. Each of them, of course, is giving "one man's" opinion/experience. I'm just looking for the link beyond what has been a brick wall for a lot of years. At every single family reunion, my whole life, they talked about being related to Red Eagle. My Great Aunt worked on it for years, and when she died at age 96, I received much of her research. The last three years I've gotten closer and closer. Before he died, my Father got all the way to a courhouse in Tennessee that had burned down. I'll just keep on looking. I guess I'll ignore all the "Royal" titles that I see in the future. I honestly thought that possibly she was called a "you-know-what" because the Wind Clan was supposedly the uppermost clan. (You can tell me if that's true or not--ha.) Please excuse my ignorance. Your reasoning makes sense. I certainly wouldn't want to bring up unpleasant feelings from you or in you. I enjoy your honesty, your friendliness, your knowledge. Thank you, g

> I will say, though, that I don't agree with all of Woodward's info, > either. Each of them, of course, is giving "one man's" > opinion/experience. I too, do not agree with all of Woodward's writings. However, he was a man of his times. Obviously, not "a man of letters". But, he did actually rub shoulders with the participants of the Creek Indian frontier. He knew personally, Red Eagle and many other characters and major players in the War of 1813 & 1814. You just have to pick & choose among the info that he displays. I choose to believe the hum-drum, day-to-day life style of writing, of a man who was actually there, to someone who wrote about the way it should have been. Pickett was invaluable for what he brought, along with A.B. Meeks. However, you have to wade through the romantic rhetoric which was the style of writing of the time. Paul Hornsby

> I > honestly thought that possibly she was called a "you-know-what" because > the Wind Clan was supposedly the uppermost clan. (You can tell me if > that's true or not--ha.) From everything I've read-heard, the Wind Clan was more "prestigeous" and "enjoyed more privileges" than some clans. Just what that meant, I'm not entirely sure. But I would bet that it falls far from any state of "royalty". I'll have to admit though, that I am expressing personal opinions about 200 yrs. after the fact. Basing my opionions on much study and personal observations and reactions of current Native Americans. P.H.