Kathie made a comment the other day concerning the Dawes Rolls: <This is complicated. If you are trying to understand it, let's keep with it until we all understand. Kathie > Boy, did she ever hit the nail on the head, and Kathie, I would like to add Reserves to that, also. Do you have a listing for the different land reserves "given" (for want of a better description) to different Creek groups following various treaties and the years they were given? The only one I have plenty of information on at my fingertips in my own files are the 30 reserves given to "certain friendly Chiefs and Indian countrymen" in 1817 for their service in the Creek war 1813-1814. The reason I have studied that one so much is because that happens to be my south Alabama family. However, I did have some in the 1830 (or 32?) reserves, also, but just piecemeal names and info and not a complete list. I have nothing on the Georgia Creeks and who received what and when. Were the same stipulations attached to each one, or did they change with each treaty as land was relinquished? There again, I know how it worked with the 1817 land but not the others. Also, one comment about the Dawes rolls. The testimony contained in some of the jackets for later descendants attempting to get enrolled in the Creek Nation West is heartbreaking. Some of them had been there ever since the removal or before while it was voluntary, but the Dawes Commission was totally heartless in their interviews and browbeat them so I'm surprised they could remember their own names. All that before telling many of them they were not eligible - so sad. Thanks! Evelyn Leslie

I know after reading the information provided by some of my grandmothers relatives to the Dawes comission for creek Citizenship, and the number of witnesses that testified that they knew the family to be Indian, and descended from a Creek Indian named Samuel Low, the Dawes comission rejected the family. --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Evelyn S. Leslie <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Evelyn S. Leslie <[email protected]> > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Understanding Rolls and Reserves > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:23 PM > Kathie made a comment the other day concerning the Dawes > Rolls: <This is complicated. If you are trying to > understand it, let's keep with it until we all > understand. > > Kathie > > > Boy, did she ever hit the nail on the head, and Kathie, I > would like to add Reserves to that, also. Do you have a > listing for the different land reserves "given" > (for want of a better description) to different Creek groups > following various treaties and the years they were given? > The only one I have plenty of information on at my > fingertips in my own files are the 30 reserves given to > "certain friendly Chiefs and Indian countrymen" in > 1817 for their service in the Creek war 1813-1814. The > reason I have studied that one so much is because that > happens to be my south Alabama family. However, I did have > some in the 1830 (or 32?) reserves, also, but just piecemeal > names and info and not a complete list. I have nothing on > the Georgia Creeks and who received what and when. Were the > same stipulations attached to each one, or did they change > with each treaty as land was relinquished? There again, I > know how it worked with the 1817 land but not the others. > > Also, one comment about the Dawes rolls. The testimony > contained in some of the jackets for later descendants > attempting to get enrolled in the Creek Nation West is > heartbreaking. Some of them had been there ever since the > removal or before while it was voluntary, but the Dawes > Commission was totally heartless in their interviews and > browbeat them so I'm surprised they could remember their > own names. All that before telling many of them they were > not eligible - so sad. > > Thanks! > Evelyn Leslie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message