We must keep in mind that the term wannabe is a negative word that is often used by Native americans that have obtained Federal recognition, to describe anyone that is of indian descent who does not have Federal recognition or a C.D.I.B. card. THe federally Recognized Cherokee bands, view any state recognized cherokee band as being wannabe/phony, the Creek Bands who have Federal recognition have the same viewpoint towards any state recognized group. --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sam Gipson <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Sam Gipson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:41 PM > Thanks Richard B, > No the tribe is not State or Federally listed on the rolls. > May be one you can buy a membership into. > Look up Lost Cherokee Tribe, Arkansas and Missouri. > > I have some errands to run and will find the site for you > to check out. > > Tks, Sam I know they do not make and sell NA jewelry. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking > forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas > > > > Sam, > > I did not think they are recognized, but I do not have > a need to know on > > that one. > > > > There were some very early Cherokees settled vicinity > of Dover... (I'm > > getting a vision..)...:o) a significant school or > church situation. This > > is central to the area that John Jolly (chief of the > Old Settlers) 1828/29 > > , > > was located (he maybe my connection, plus where Sam > Huston "holed up" > > before going on to his fame in TX ) and due south of > there on the Arkansas > > River is a large population of Cheroks and a very old > Cherokee cemetery on > > the bluffs above the river. > > By the way, these places are getting in the > neighborhood of where my > > "pioneers" (Thomas Clark from TN in 1853/or > 54) began,... in extreme > > southwest Newton County , AR. Am probably related to > Merle Haggard, he > > claims to be from same place. Everybody (!!) is cuzn > there. There are > > some > > folks that area who quit talking to me about genealogy > (their ancestors > > murdered my gggrandfather Thomas Clark, spring 1863). > As I took apart the > > last threads of information,... I had it and they just > "shut up". > > > > If anyone encounters some research on a battle/attack > (1st week of > > February > > , 1863) involving 7 members of the union 1st AR CAV , > at Mulberry Springs, > > AR, I surely would be interested. It was an attack on > a log "compound" > > against 35 Mankins or Manican Indians. I have looked > some and believe > > these Manikin/Mankins are originally from/part of the > Powhatans in easter > > Virginia ??). The inhabitants of the compound were > paid partisans , hired > > by Peter Mankins. I have read the military record, > but hope there is more > > info "out there". > > > > Richard B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Gipson" > <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking > > forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and > Texas > > > > > >> Thanks Richard B., > >> He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls > and so was his grand > >> parents and parents. > >> His brother also. > >> I understand the situation on the wanta bees. > >> But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, > with no benefits, or > >> Federal > >> recognition. > >> Arkansas and Missouri. > >> The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has > now moved to Dover, > >> Ark. > >> if I am not mistaken. > >> Thank you, my friend. > >> > >> Sam > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "csmoke" > <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM > >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for > >> ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and > Texas > >> > >> > >>> Sam, > >>> Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) > wannabe fraudlent groups in > >>> the > >>> area you mention. Before you recognize them, > you might want to find a > >>> site > >>> that lists all the federally recognized tribes > and see if the group you > >>> mention is on the list. > >>> > >>> I have "bumped" into some of these > people and it is disturbing to see > >>> them > >>> using "enrollement cards" with > numbers of their own manufacture. Part > >>> of > >>> the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer > to themselves as Cherokee > >>> tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) > as authentic native > >>> american. > >>> To become one of them, the usually needed > genealogy is a $20 /or check > >>> made > >>> out to them. I have not been arround any of > them for a while (they got > >>> to > >>> know me..) , but I suspect they are still > getting a high level of > >>> membership > >>> enrollment. Most of their starting dialog > with strangers is" we are > >>> descended from Inds who jumped off the > boats,.. my ancestors escaped > >>> from > >>> the trail of tears.." (thats why we are > here, etc..) Yuck. > >>> > >>> Richard B. > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Sam Gipson" > <[email protected]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for > ancestors > >>> alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > >>> > >>> > >>>> Richard B, > >>>> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and > Missouri, are referred to as the > >>>> Lost > >>>> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, > Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas > >>>> and > >>>> Missouri) > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, Sam > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "csmoke" > <[email protected]> > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking > for ancestors always > >>>> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, > I guess my ggrandmother forgot > >>>>> to > >>>>> "parboil" and went straight > to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up > >>>>> in > >>>>> the baking pan, but I think they used > to dip their homemade bread in > >>>>> that. > >>>>> That was one of the few foods I tried > and did not acquire a taste for. > >>>>> (too > >>>>> much oil..). How do you get those > roadkills to eat the > >>>>> buttermilk/etc??? > >>>>> > >>>>> In locations for natives,.. remember > that about 1817 was a treaty for > >>>>> the > >>>>> Cherokees (referred to as Old > Settlers) to self emigrate to their > >>>>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. > (they stayed there until about > >>>>> 1830) > >>>>> when the reservation was dissolved in > another treaty and the Old > >>>>> Settlers > >>>>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for > "passport" allowing Inds > >>>>> (reds...:o) > >>>>> to travel. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very > hooked to the Cherokees, he was > >>>>> known > >>>>> as > >>>>> "The Raven" & book title > same name , .. in his biography you see > >>>>> much. > >>>>> (one of my family names chief (John > Jolly) , adopted him, but others > >>>>> claim > >>>>> not the same person. Neither of us > can "proove" yes/no , but I have > >>>>> some > >>>>> paper trial for that!! > >>>>> > >>>>> Also, along with your good > information, you did not mention 1811 > >>>>> earthquake > >>>>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , > Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , > >>>>> fled > >>>>> to > >>>>> TX , they considered the ground shake > a bad medicine message or > >>>>> something. > >>>>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with > the Cherokee,.. how many of the > >>>>> treaty > >>>>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? > (tune in this theatre next week > >>>>> for > >>>>> the answer..)!! > >>>>> > >>>>> Richard B. > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: <[email protected]> > >>>>> To: > <[email protected]> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 > PM > >>>>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking > for ancestors always check > >>>>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> The mention about the new museum > In Fort Smith, AK reminded of > >>>>>> something > >>>>>> I > >>>>>> discovered in my research in the > past. I found that thousands and > >>>>>> thousands > >>>>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west > prior to the Trail of Tears in the > >>>>>> late > >>>>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to > Oklahoma because it was claimed by > >>>>>> other > >>>>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper > Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> Missouri. > >>>>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and > Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and > >>>>>> Mexico - > >>>>>> perhaps also to the southern tip > of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> Texas > >>>>>> and then to Mexico. Most > Cherokees were chased out of Texas after > >>>>>> it > >>>>>> became a > >>>>>> Republic. However, a considerable > number of Alabamas, Koasati's and > >>>>>> Lower > >>>>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in > Texas because they had fought along > >>>>>> side > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> Texans against the Mexicans. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As I mentioned last week, also > look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in > >>>>>> Texas. > >>>>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) > Creeks were promised that they > >>>>>> could > >>>>>> keep > >>>>>> their farms in Georgia and South > Carolina, but many were either > >>>>>> illegally > >>>>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in > an anti-Indian political > >>>>>> environment. > >>>>>> The > >>>>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them > a hybrid culture that was a > >>>>>> mixture > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish > frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> being > >>>>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. > Their descendants tended to blend in > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> Texans since Creeks are not that > different in appearance from > >>>>>> Mexican > >>>>>> Mestizos. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also, when planning to serve > possum for prominent guests or wedding > >>>>>> parties, > >>>>>> be sure and feed the possum > cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of > >>>>>> weeks > >>>>>> before dressing them. 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