Leon, I may have used that term wannabe, it is a favorite of mine. Your meanings are not how I uses it,... for me it is the vast groups who (are not Inds or even percentages of). The Wanna be groups are significanly expanding in my hunting grounds (MO) , they conduct pow wows, create crafts (with no regard or knowing of traditions to anyone/thing...) , enroll "tribal" members for a fee.., and besides that are just generally offensive. In referring to the Wanna beeesssss, the term "Culture Vulture" (I have heard ..) is appropriate. Used to hear them also called "Cedars" (.. inside they have a red heart, but they are white on the outside...). They have no problem with dancing in their ("Tandy") regalia at their (phony pows..). Deliver me from dedicated people!!!! Did I mention they have "Chiefs..." ? Richard T. did not post this,.. it is Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas > We must keep in mind that the term wannabe is a negative word that is > often used by Native americans that have obtained Federal recognition, to > describe anyone that is of indian descent who does not have Federal > recognition or a C.D.I.B. card. > THe federally Recognized Cherokee bands, view any state recognized > cherokee band as being wannabe/phony, the Creek Bands who have Federal > recognition have the same viewpoint towards any state recognized group. > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sam Gipson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Sam Gipson <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >> forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:41 PM >> Thanks Richard B, >> No the tribe is not State or Federally listed on the rolls. >> May be one you can buy a membership into. >> Look up Lost Cherokee Tribe, Arkansas and Missouri. >> >> I have some errands to run and will find the site for you >> to check out. >> >> Tks, Sam I know they do not make and sell NA jewelry. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >> forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas >> >> >> > Sam, >> > I did not think they are recognized, but I do not have >> a need to know on >> > that one. >> > >> > There were some very early Cherokees settled vicinity >> of Dover... (I'm >> > getting a vision..)...:o) a significant school or >> church situation. This >> > is central to the area that John Jolly (chief of the >> Old Settlers) 1828/29 >> > , >> > was located (he maybe my connection, plus where Sam >> Huston "holed up" >> > before going on to his fame in TX ) and due south of >> there on the Arkansas >> > River is a large population of Cheroks and a very old >> Cherokee cemetery on >> > the bluffs above the river. >> > By the way, these places are getting in the >> neighborhood of where my >> > "pioneers" (Thomas Clark from TN in 1853/or >> 54) began,... in extreme >> > southwest Newton County , AR. Am probably related to >> Merle Haggard, he >> > claims to be from same place. Everybody (!!) is cuzn >> there. There are >> > some >> > folks that area who quit talking to me about genealogy >> (their ancestors >> > murdered my gggrandfather Thomas Clark, spring 1863). >> As I took apart the >> > last threads of information,... I had it and they just >> "shut up". >> > >> > If anyone encounters some research on a battle/attack >> (1st week of >> > February >> > , 1863) involving 7 members of the union 1st AR CAV , >> at Mulberry Springs, >> > AR, I surely would be interested. It was an attack on >> a log "compound" >> > against 35 Mankins or Manican Indians. I have looked >> some and believe >> > these Manikin/Mankins are originally from/part of the >> Powhatans in easter >> > Virginia ??). The inhabitants of the compound were >> paid partisans , hired >> > by Peter Mankins. I have read the military record, >> but hope there is more >> > info "out there". >> > >> > Richard B. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Sam Gipson" >> <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:52 PM >> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >> > forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and >> Texas >> > >> > >> >> Thanks Richard B., >> >> He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls >> and so was his grand >> >> parents and parents. >> >> His brother also. >> >> I understand the situation on the wanta bees. >> >> But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, >> with no benefits, or >> >> Federal >> >> recognition. >> >> Arkansas and Missouri. >> >> The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has >> now moved to Dover, >> >> Ark. >> >> if I am not mistaken. >> >> Thank you, my friend. >> >> >> >> Sam >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "csmoke" >> <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for >> >> ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and >> Texas >> >> >> >> >> >>> Sam, >> >>> Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) >> wannabe fraudlent groups in >> >>> the >> >>> area you mention. Before you recognize them, >> you might want to find a >> >>> site >> >>> that lists all the federally recognized tribes >> and see if the group you >> >>> mention is on the list. >> >>> >> >>> I have "bumped" into some of these >> people and it is disturbing to see >> >>> them >> >>> using "enrollement cards" with >> numbers of their own manufacture. Part >> >>> of >> >>> the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer >> to themselves as Cherokee >> >>> tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) >> as authentic native >> >>> american. >> >>> To become one of them, the usually needed >> genealogy is a $20 /or check >> >>> made >> >>> out to them. I have not been arround any of >> them for a while (they got >> >>> to >> >>> know me..) , but I suspect they are still >> getting a high level of >> >>> membership >> >>> enrollment. Most of their starting dialog >> with strangers is" we are >> >>> descended from Inds who jumped off the >> boats,.. my ancestors escaped >> >>> from >> >>> the trail of tears.." (thats why we are >> here, etc..) Yuck. >> >>> >> >>> Richard B. >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Sam Gipson" >> <[email protected]> >> >>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for >> ancestors >> >>> alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Richard B, >> >>>> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and >> Missouri, are referred to as the >> >>>> Lost >> >>>> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, >> Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas >> >>>> and >> >>>> Missouri) >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, Sam >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "csmoke" >> <[email protected]> >> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >> for ancestors always >> >>>> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, >> I guess my ggrandmother forgot >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> "parboil" and went straight >> to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up >> >>>>> in >> >>>>> the baking pan, but I think they used >> to dip their homemade bread in >> >>>>> that. >> >>>>> That was one of the few foods I tried >> and did not acquire a taste for. >> >>>>> (too >> >>>>> much oil..). How do you get those >> roadkills to eat the >> >>>>> buttermilk/etc??? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> In locations for natives,.. remember >> that about 1817 was a treaty for >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> Cherokees (referred to as Old >> Settlers) to self emigrate to their >> >>>>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. >> (they stayed there until about >> >>>>> 1830) >> >>>>> when the reservation was dissolved in >> another treaty and the Old >> >>>>> Settlers >> >>>>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for >> "passport" allowing Inds >> >>>>> (reds...:o) >> >>>>> to travel. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very >> hooked to the Cherokees, he was >> >>>>> known >> >>>>> as >> >>>>> "The Raven" & book title >> same name , .. in his biography you see >> >>>>> much. >> >>>>> (one of my family names chief (John >> Jolly) , adopted him, but others >> >>>>> claim >> >>>>> not the same person. Neither of us >> can "proove" yes/no , but I have >> >>>>> some >> >>>>> paper trial for that!! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Also, along with your good >> information, you did not mention 1811 >> >>>>> earthquake >> >>>>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , >> Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , >> >>>>> fled >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> TX , they considered the ground shake >> a bad medicine message or >> >>>>> something. >> >>>>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with >> the Cherokee,.. how many of the >> >>>>> treaty >> >>>>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? >> (tune in this theatre next week >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> the answer..)!! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Richard B. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>> From: <[email protected]> >> >>>>> To: >> <[email protected]> >> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 >> PM >> >>>>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >> for ancestors always check >> >>>>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> The mention about the new museum >> In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >> >>>>>> something >> >>>>>> I >> >>>>>> discovered in my research in the >> past. I found that thousands and >> >>>>>> thousands >> >>>>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west >> prior to the Trail of Tears in the >> >>>>>> late >> >>>>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to >> Oklahoma because it was claimed by >> >>>>>> other >> >>>>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper >> Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >> >>>>>> to >> >>>>>> Missouri. >> >>>>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and >> Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >> >>>>>> Mexico - >> >>>>>> perhaps also to the southern tip >> of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went >> >>>>>> to >> >>>>>> Texas >> >>>>>> and then to Mexico. Most >> Cherokees were chased out of Texas after >> >>>>>> it >> >>>>>> became a >> >>>>>> Republic. However, a considerable >> number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >> >>>>>> Lower >> >>>>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in >> Texas because they had fought along >> >>>>>> side >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> Texans against the Mexicans. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> As I mentioned last week, also >> look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >> >>>>>> Texas. >> >>>>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) >> Creeks were promised that they >> >>>>>> could >> >>>>>> keep >> >>>>>> their farms in Georgia and South >> Carolina, but many were either >> >>>>>> illegally >> >>>>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in >> an anti-Indian political >> >>>>>> environment. >> >>>>>> The >> >>>>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them >> a hybrid culture that was a >> >>>>>> mixture >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish >> frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> being >> >>>>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. >> Their descendants tended to blend in >> >>>>>> with >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> Texans since Creeks are not that >> different in appearance from >> >>>>>> Mexican >> >>>>>> Mestizos. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Also, when planning to serve >> possum for prominent guests or wedding >> >>>>>> parties, >> >>>>>> be sure and feed the possum >> cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >> >>>>>> weeks >> >>>>>> before dressing them. Parboiling >> the possum for awhile will get rid >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> excess fat created by the >> cornbread and buttermilk. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Richard T. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> **************Looking for a car >> that's sporty, fun and fits in your >> >>>>>> budget? >> >>>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> >>>>>> >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >> >>>>>> ) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, >> please send an email to >> >>>>>> >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> >>>>>> without >> >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send an email to >> >>>>> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>>>> without >> >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send >> an email to >> >>>> [email protected] with >> the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>>> without >> >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to >> >>> [email protected] with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to >> >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

If I sent the Lost Cherokee, to the wrong person, then I apologize. I will not buy a membership to a NA Group. That is not right. I do not expect anything in return, for wanting to know if I have NA blood in my veins. It would be an Honor, to me at least. But, NO to buying a card. If I offend anyone for wanting to know the truth, over family stories, then I guess I am a form of a Wantabee. Not intentional. I have English, (Britain), Scotland, Ireland, and hopefully, NA. If so, then so be it. If not, then so be it. Thank you, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas > Leon, > I may have used that term wannabe, it is a favorite of mine. Your > meanings > are not how I uses it,... for me it is the vast groups who (are not Inds > or > even percentages of). The Wanna be groups are significanly expanding in > my > hunting grounds (MO) , they conduct pow wows, create crafts (with no > regard > or knowing of traditions to anyone/thing...) , enroll "tribal" members > for > a fee.., and besides that are just generally offensive. > > In referring to the Wanna beeesssss, the term "Culture Vulture" (I have > heard ..) is appropriate. Used to hear them also called "Cedars" (.. > inside they have a red heart, but they are white on the outside...). They > have no problem with dancing in their ("Tandy") regalia at their (phony > pows..). Deliver me from dedicated people!!!! > Did I mention they have "Chiefs..." ? > > Richard T. did not post this,.. it is Richard B. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking > forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas > > >> We must keep in mind that the term wannabe is a negative word that is >> often used by Native americans that have obtained Federal recognition, to >> describe anyone that is of indian descent who does not have Federal >> recognition or a C.D.I.B. card. >> THe federally Recognized Cherokee bands, view any state recognized >> cherokee band as being wannabe/phony, the Creek Bands who have Federal >> recognition have the same viewpoint towards any state recognized group. >> >> >> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sam Gipson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> From: Sam Gipson <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >>> forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:41 PM >>> Thanks Richard B, >>> No the tribe is not State or Federally listed on the rolls. >>> May be one you can buy a membership into. >>> Look up Lost Cherokee Tribe, Arkansas and Missouri. >>> >>> I have some errands to run and will find the site for you >>> to check out. >>> >>> Tks, Sam I know they do not make and sell NA jewelry. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >>> forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas >>> >>> >>> > Sam, >>> > I did not think they are recognized, but I do not have >>> a need to know on >>> > that one. >>> > >>> > There were some very early Cherokees settled vicinity >>> of Dover... (I'm >>> > getting a vision..)...:o) a significant school or >>> church situation. This >>> > is central to the area that John Jolly (chief of the >>> Old Settlers) 1828/29 >>> > , >>> > was located (he maybe my connection, plus where Sam >>> Huston "holed up" >>> > before going on to his fame in TX ) and due south of >>> there on the Arkansas >>> > River is a large population of Cheroks and a very old >>> Cherokee cemetery on >>> > the bluffs above the river. >>> > By the way, these places are getting in the >>> neighborhood of where my >>> > "pioneers" (Thomas Clark from TN in 1853/or >>> 54) began,... in extreme >>> > southwest Newton County , AR. Am probably related to >>> Merle Haggard, he >>> > claims to be from same place. Everybody (!!) is cuzn >>> there. There are >>> > some >>> > folks that area who quit talking to me about genealogy >>> (their ancestors >>> > murdered my gggrandfather Thomas Clark, spring 1863). >>> As I took apart the >>> > last threads of information,... I had it and they just >>> "shut up". >>> > >>> > If anyone encounters some research on a battle/attack >>> (1st week of >>> > February >>> > , 1863) involving 7 members of the union 1st AR CAV , >>> at Mulberry Springs, >>> > AR, I surely would be interested. It was an attack on >>> a log "compound" >>> > against 35 Mankins or Manican Indians. I have looked >>> some and believe >>> > these Manikin/Mankins are originally from/part of the >>> Powhatans in easter >>> > Virginia ??). The inhabitants of the compound were >>> paid partisans , hired >>> > by Peter Mankins. I have read the military record, >>> but hope there is more >>> > info "out there". >>> > >>> > Richard B. >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Sam Gipson" >>> <[email protected]> >>> > To: <[email protected]> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:52 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >>> > forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and >>> Texas >>> > >>> > >>> >> Thanks Richard B., >>> >> He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls >>> and so was his grand >>> >> parents and parents. >>> >> His brother also. >>> >> I understand the situation on the wanta bees. >>> >> But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, >>> with no benefits, or >>> >> Federal >>> >> recognition. >>> >> Arkansas and Missouri. >>> >> The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has >>> now moved to Dover, >>> >> Ark. >>> >> if I am not mistaken. >>> >> Thank you, my friend. >>> >> >>> >> Sam >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "csmoke" >>> <[email protected]> >>> >> To: <[email protected]> >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM >>> >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for >>> >> ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and >>> Texas >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Sam, >>> >>> Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) >>> wannabe fraudlent groups in >>> >>> the >>> >>> area you mention. Before you recognize them, >>> you might want to find a >>> >>> site >>> >>> that lists all the federally recognized tribes >>> and see if the group you >>> >>> mention is on the list. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have "bumped" into some of these >>> people and it is disturbing to see >>> >>> them >>> >>> using "enrollement cards" with >>> numbers of their own manufacture. Part >>> >>> of >>> >>> the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer >>> to themselves as Cherokee >>> >>> tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) >>> as authentic native >>> >>> american. >>> >>> To become one of them, the usually needed >>> genealogy is a $20 /or check >>> >>> made >>> >>> out to them. I have not been arround any of >>> them for a while (they got >>> >>> to >>> >>> know me..) , but I suspect they are still >>> getting a high level of >>> >>> membership >>> >>> enrollment. Most of their starting dialog >>> with strangers is" we are >>> >>> descended from Inds who jumped off the >>> boats,.. my ancestors escaped >>> >>> from >>> >>> the trail of tears.." (thats why we are >>> here, etc..) Yuck. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard B. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Sam Gipson" >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for >>> ancestors >>> >>> alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Richard B, >>> >>>> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and >>> Missouri, are referred to as the >>> >>>> Lost >>> >>>> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, >>> Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas >>> >>>> and >>> >>>> Missouri) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks, Sam >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>> From: "csmoke" >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >>> for ancestors always >>> >>>> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, >>> I guess my ggrandmother forgot >>> >>>>> to >>> >>>>> "parboil" and went straight >>> to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up >>> >>>>> in >>> >>>>> the baking pan, but I think they used >>> to dip their homemade bread in >>> >>>>> that. >>> >>>>> That was one of the few foods I tried >>> and did not acquire a taste for. >>> >>>>> (too >>> >>>>> much oil..). How do you get those >>> roadkills to eat the >>> >>>>> buttermilk/etc??? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> In locations for natives,.. remember >>> that about 1817 was a treaty for >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>>> Cherokees (referred to as Old >>> Settlers) to self emigrate to their >>> >>>>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. >>> (they stayed there until about >>> >>>>> 1830) >>> >>>>> when the reservation was dissolved in >>> another treaty and the Old >>> >>>>> Settlers >>> >>>>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for >>> "passport" allowing Inds >>> >>>>> (reds...:o) >>> >>>>> to travel. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very >>> hooked to the Cherokees, he was >>> >>>>> known >>> >>>>> as >>> >>>>> "The Raven" & book title >>> same name , .. in his biography you see >>> >>>>> much. >>> >>>>> (one of my family names chief (John >>> Jolly) , adopted him, but others >>> >>>>> claim >>> >>>>> not the same person. Neither of us >>> can "proove" yes/no , but I have >>> >>>>> some >>> >>>>> paper trial for that!! >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Also, along with your good >>> information, you did not mention 1811 >>> >>>>> earthquake >>> >>>>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , >>> Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , >>> >>>>> fled >>> >>>>> to >>> >>>>> TX , they considered the ground shake >>> a bad medicine message or >>> >>>>> something. >>> >>>>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with >>> the Cherokee,.. how many of the >>> >>>>> treaty >>> >>>>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? >>> (tune in this theatre next week >>> >>>>> for >>> >>>>> the answer..)!! >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Richard B. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>> >>>>> To: >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 >>> PM >>> >>>>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking >>> for ancestors always check >>> >>>>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> The mention about the new museum >>> In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >>> >>>>>> something >>> >>>>>> I >>> >>>>>> discovered in my research in the >>> past. I found that thousands and >>> >>>>>> thousands >>> >>>>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west >>> prior to the Trail of Tears in the >>> >>>>>> late >>> >>>>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to >>> Oklahoma because it was claimed by >>> >>>>>> other >>> >>>>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper >>> Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >>> >>>>>> to >>> >>>>>> Missouri. >>> >>>>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and >>> Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >>> >>>>>> Mexico - >>> >>>>>> perhaps also to the southern tip >>> of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went >>> >>>>>> to >>> >>>>>> Texas >>> >>>>>> and then to Mexico. Most >>> Cherokees were chased out of Texas after >>> >>>>>> it >>> >>>>>> became a >>> >>>>>> Republic. However, a considerable >>> number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >>> >>>>>> Lower >>> >>>>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in >>> Texas because they had fought along >>> >>>>>> side >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> Texans against the Mexicans. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> As I mentioned last week, also >>> look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >>> >>>>>> Texas. >>> >>>>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) >>> Creeks were promised that they >>> >>>>>> could >>> >>>>>> keep >>> >>>>>> their farms in Georgia and South >>> Carolina, but many were either >>> >>>>>> illegally >>> >>>>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in >>> an anti-Indian political >>> >>>>>> environment. >>> >>>>>> The >>> >>>>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them >>> a hybrid culture that was a >>> >>>>>> mixture >>> >>>>>> of >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish >>> frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations >>> >>>>>> of >>> >>>>>> being >>> >>>>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. >>> Their descendants tended to blend in >>> >>>>>> with >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> Texans since Creeks are not that >>> different in appearance from >>> >>>>>> Mexican >>> >>>>>> Mestizos. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Also, when planning to serve >>> possum for prominent guests or wedding >>> >>>>>> parties, >>> >>>>>> be sure and feed the possum >>> cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >>> >>>>>> weeks >>> >>>>>> before dressing them. Parboiling >>> the possum for awhile will get rid >>> >>>>>> of >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> excess fat created by the >>> cornbread and buttermilk. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Richard T. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> **************Looking for a car >>> that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>> >>>>>> budget? >>> >>>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>> >>>>>> >>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >>> >>>>>> ) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, >>> please send an email to >>> >>>>>> >>> [email protected] with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' >>> >>>>>> without >>> >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the message >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please >>> send an email to >>> >>>>> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> >>>>> without >>> >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body >>> of the message >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send >>> an email to >>> >>>> [email protected] with >>> the word 'unsubscribe' >>> >>>> without >>> >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of >>> the message >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >>> email to >>> >>> [email protected] with the >>> word 'unsubscribe' without >>> >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> to >>> >> [email protected] with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without >>> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected] with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without >>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message