Since the subject is relating to many tribes...has anyone ever heard of or is a member of the Metis Tribe listed as United Me'tis Nation of the US Florida State Office. I am most curious. Thanking each of you who take the time to read this entry and/or respond. RainbowO -----Original Message----- From: JMSchohn <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership I have served for many years as tribal historian and federal recognition officer. So I can tell you that the ability to speak a unique language is not a requirement but can be used to fulfill the cultural continuity requirement. I would also not assume that every state recognized tribe is a fraud and that the only "real" tribes are federal ones. My tribe is state recognized. We are in the process of status clarification with the federal government. I was told by one of the historians at the BIA that our people had one of the easiest paths to federal recognition of any of the remaining unrecognized tribes and that it was just a matter of putting the documents together. Does this mean every state tribe is legitimate? Of course not. But don't paint them all with one brush. There are many tribes, particularly in the southeast, that remain in tribal communities, that govern themselves through the churches they established when their traditional religion was outlawed. I personally can document my tribe from first contact. And I can demonstrate that ever single member is descended either from a soldier who fought in a company in the Revolutionary War that was identified as a PeeDee Indian company or from someone who lived in the communities with them. Most of our people descend from more than one of those soldiers. I personally descend from four of them. When the Catawba had their federal recognition restored in the 1990s, suddenly federal Indians who had denounced them as not real Indians suddenly accepted them as such. And Chief Blue, to his credit, told them they were lap dogs to the BIA for treating the Catawba as something less than a tribe until the federal government said they were. We are not Indians at the whim of the U.S. government, and we are a tribe whether they recognize us or not. We seek recognition because of the benefits it could bring to the quality of life of our people, not because it will make us Indian. The Creator already did that. .....stepping off my soapbox now..... .. Michelle In a message dated 08/09/08 11:53:00 Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Isn't that a little over assuming the state officials are much more ignorant than federal officials, or won't seek further information from creditable individuals? Everything can be traced back to some kind of money in some way....either having to give or to keep from taking....but present or future finances are always involved. This is an observation and opinion as well. TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > Leon, > I do not know all the fed reqirement for being recognized, but do know > that you can add speaking their unique language. And I think there is > something about all these tests met and being in existence for 200 or more years. > There is a "native site" (commanchelodge..) that I think lists criteria > for recognition, plus a listing of all the recognized tribes. > > So, I think you could go to the site I mentioned and see who is federally > recognized. There are state (only) recognized groups (who may be > legitimate in many ways and have a good heart...) , but I hear that the problem with > that is a " local" chief or whatever can blow a smoke at the state > bureaucrats...throw in some genealogy/etc, and the state officials do not > know nothing from nothing.... it looks ok, recognize them. Does not mean > anything special.. my view. > > Richard B. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's a tiny bit of info about the Metis in Indiana: http://www.theledger.com/article/20080122/NEWS/801220313/-1/WIRE03 On Aug 9, 2008, at 12:49 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Since the subject is relating to many tribes...has anyone ever > heard of or is a member of the Metis Tribe listed as United Me'tis > Nation of the US Florida State Office. > > I am most curious. > > Thanking each of you who take the time to read this entry and/or > respond. > > RainbowO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JMSchohn <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:05 pm > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > > > I have served for many years as tribal historian and federal > recognition > officer. So I can tell you that the ability to speak a unique > language is not a > requirement but can be used to fulfill the cultural continuity > requirement. > > I would also not assume that every state recognized tribe is a > fraud and that > the only "real" tribes are federal ones. My tribe is state > recognized. We are in > the process of status clarification with the federal government. I > was told by > one of the historians at the BIA that our people had one of the > easiest paths to > federal recognition of any of the remaining unrecognized tribes and > that it was > just a matter of putting the documents together. > > Does this mean every state tribe is legitimate? Of course not. But > don't paint > them all with one brush. There are many tribes, particularly in the > southeast, > that remain in tribal communities, that govern themselves through > the churches > they established when their traditional religion was outlawed. I > personally can > document my tribe from first contact. And I can demonstrate that > ever single > member is descended either from a soldier who fought in a company > in the > Revolutionary War that was identified as a PeeDee Indian company or > from someone > who lived in the communities with them. Most of our people descend > from more > than one of those soldiers. I personally descend from four of them. > > When the Catawba had their federal recognition restored in the > 1990s, suddenly > federal Indians who had denounced them as not real Indians suddenly > accepted > them as such. And Chief Blue, to his credit, told them they were > lap dogs to the > BIA for treating the Catawba as something less than a tribe until > the federal > government said they were. > > We are not Indians at the whim of the U.S. government, and we are a > tribe > whether they recognize us or not. We seek recognition because of > the benefits it > could bring to the quality of life of our people, not because it > will make us > Indian. The Creator already did that. > > .....stepping off my soapbox now..... > .. > > Michelle > > > > In a message dated 08/09/08 11:53:00 Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] > writes: > Isn't that a little over assuming the state officials are much more > ignorant > than federal officials, or won't seek further information from > creditable > individuals? Everything can be traced back to some kind of money > in some > way....either having to give or to keep from taking....but present > or future > finances are always involved. This is an observation and opinion > as well. > TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > >> Leon, >> I do not know all the fed reqirement for being recognized, but do >> know >> that you can add speaking their unique language. And I think >> there is >> something about all these tests met and being in existence for 200 >> or more > years. >> There is a "native site" (commanchelodge..) that I think lists >> criteria >> for recognition, plus a listing of all the recognized tribes. >> >> So, I think you could go to the site I mentioned and see who is >> federally >> recognized. There are state (only) recognized groups (who may be >> legitimate in many ways and have a good heart...) , but I hear >> that the > problem with >> that is a " local" chief or whatever can blow a smoke at the state >> bureaucrats...throw in some genealogy/etc, and the state officials >> do not >> know nothing from nothing.... it looks ok, recognize them. Does >> not mean >> anything special.. my view. >> >> Richard B. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK- > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are lots of links for Metis here, too: http://www.turtleisland.org/communities/communities-metis.htm On Aug 9, 2008, at 12:49 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Since the subject is relating to many tribes...has anyone ever > heard of or is a member of the Metis Tribe listed as United Me'tis > Nation of the US Florida State Office. > > I am most curious. > > Thanking each of you who take the time to read this entry and/or > respond. > > RainbowO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JMSchohn <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:05 pm > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > > > I have served for many years as tribal historian and federal > recognition > officer. So I can tell you that the ability to speak a unique > language is not a > requirement but can be used to fulfill the cultural continuity > requirement. > > I would also not assume that every state recognized tribe is a > fraud and that > the only "real" tribes are federal ones. My tribe is state > recognized. We are in > the process of status clarification with the federal government. I > was told by > one of the historians at the BIA that our people had one of the > easiest paths to > federal recognition of any of the remaining unrecognized tribes and > that it was > just a matter of putting the documents together. > > Does this mean every state tribe is legitimate? Of course not. But > don't paint > them all with one brush. There are many tribes, particularly in the > southeast, > that remain in tribal communities, that govern themselves through > the churches > they established when their traditional religion was outlawed. I > personally can > document my tribe from first contact. And I can demonstrate that > ever single > member is descended either from a soldier who fought in a company > in the > Revolutionary War that was identified as a PeeDee Indian company or > from someone > who lived in the communities with them. Most of our people descend > from more > than one of those soldiers. I personally descend from four of them. > > When the Catawba had their federal recognition restored in the > 1990s, suddenly > federal Indians who had denounced them as not real Indians suddenly > accepted > them as such. And Chief Blue, to his credit, told them they were > lap dogs to the > BIA for treating the Catawba as something less than a tribe until > the federal > government said they were. > > We are not Indians at the whim of the U.S. government, and we are a > tribe > whether they recognize us or not. We seek recognition because of > the benefits it > could bring to the quality of life of our people, not because it > will make us > Indian. The Creator already did that. > > .....stepping off my soapbox now..... > .. > > Michelle > > > > In a message dated 08/09/08 11:53:00 Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] > writes: > Isn't that a little over assuming the state officials are much more > ignorant > than federal officials, or won't seek further information from > creditable > individuals? Everything can be traced back to some kind of money > in some > way....either having to give or to keep from taking....but present > or future > finances are always involved. This is an observation and opinion > as well. > TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > >> Leon, >> I do not know all the fed reqirement for being recognized, but do >> know >> that you can add speaking their unique language. And I think >> there is >> something about all these tests met and being in existence for 200 >> or more > years. >> There is a "native site" (commanchelodge..) that I think lists >> criteria >> for recognition, plus a listing of all the recognized tribes. >> >> So, I think you could go to the site I mentioned and see who is >> federally >> recognized. There are state (only) recognized groups (who may be >> legitimate in many ways and have a good heart...) , but I hear >> that the > problem with >> that is a " local" chief or whatever can blow a smoke at the state >> bureaucrats...throw in some genealogy/etc, and the state officials >> do not >> know nothing from nothing.... it looks ok, recognize them. Does >> not mean >> anything special.. my view. >> >> Richard B. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK- > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rainbow, I do not know what new idears are up about Metis, but I think of them as originally the half blood mix of 1/2 French and 1/2 (Canada) Cree. They resided as a tribe or band in the north west U.S.A. , just south of the Canada border. A distinct people. There are rendezvous style gatherings up in the country mentioned and one of their characterizations are the beautiful finger woven wool yarn belt sashes and woven knee garters. I think I have a link to one of their event sites. There are some moderns in various parts of the U.S. , who have convinced themselves that .. "hey" I'm part Ind and part white european... I am Metis!! I do not care for a position on this (although already invited..) , but I would lump this outlook as new age for lack of better. Guess I'm brushing too broad. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Memberships > Since the subject is relating to many tribes...has anyone ever heard of or > is a member of the Metis Tribe listed as United Me'tis Nation of the US > Florida State Office. > > I am most curious. > > Thanking each of you who take the time to read this entry and/or respond. > > RainbowO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JMSchohn <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:05 pm > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > > > I have served for many years as tribal historian and federal recognition > officer. So I can tell you that the ability to speak a unique language is > not a > requirement but can be used to fulfill the cultural continuity > requirement. > > I would also not assume that every state recognized tribe is a fraud and > that > the only "real" tribes are federal ones. My tribe is state recognized. We > are in > the process of status clarification with the federal government. I was > told by > one of the historians at the BIA that our people had one of the easiest > paths to > federal recognition of any of the remaining unrecognized tribes and that > it was > just a matter of putting the documents together. > > Does this mean every state tribe is legitimate? Of course not. But don't > paint > them all with one brush. There are many tribes, particularly in the > southeast, > that remain in tribal communities, that govern themselves through the > churches > they established when their traditional religion was outlawed. I > personally can > document my tribe from first contact. And I can demonstrate that ever > single > member is descended either from a soldier who fought in a company in the > Revolutionary War that was identified as a PeeDee Indian company or from > someone > who lived in the communities with them. Most of our people descend from > more > than one of those soldiers. I personally descend from four of them. > > When the Catawba had their federal recognition restored in the 1990s, > suddenly > federal Indians who had denounced them as not real Indians suddenly > accepted > them as such. And Chief Blue, to his credit, told them they were lap dogs > to the > BIA for treating the Catawba as something less than a tribe until the > federal > government said they were. > > We are not Indians at the whim of the U.S. government, and we are a tribe > whether they recognize us or not. We seek recognition because of the > benefits it > could bring to the quality of life of our people, not because it will make > us > Indian. The Creator already did that. > > ......stepping off my soapbox now..... > ... > > Michelle > > > > In a message dated 08/09/08 11:53:00 Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] > writes: > Isn't that a little over assuming the state officials are much more > ignorant > than federal officials, or won't seek further information from creditable > individuals? Everything can be traced back to some kind of money in some > way....either having to give or to keep from taking....but present or > future > finances are always involved. This is an observation and opinion as > well. > TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > >> Leon, >> I do not know all the fed reqirement for being recognized, but do know >> that you can add speaking their unique language. And I think there is >> something about all these tests met and being in existence for 200 or >> more > years. >> There is a "native site" (commanchelodge..) that I think lists criteria >> for recognition, plus a listing of all the recognized tribes. >> >> So, I think you could go to the site I mentioned and see who is federally >> recognized. There are state (only) recognized groups (who may be >> legitimate in many ways and have a good heart...) , but I hear that the > problem with >> that is a " local" chief or whatever can blow a smoke at the state >> bureaucrats...throw in some genealogy/etc, and the state officials do not >> know nothing from nothing.... it looks ok, recognize them. Does not mean >> anything special.. my view. >> >> Richard B. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >