Richard B, I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and Missouri, are referred to as the Lost Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas and Missouri) Thanks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, I guess my ggrandmother forgot to > "parboil" and went straight to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up in > the baking pan, but I think they used to dip their homemade bread in that. > That was one of the few foods I tried and did not acquire a taste for. > (too > much oil..). How do you get those roadkills to eat the buttermilk/etc??? > > In locations for natives,.. remember that about 1817 was a treaty for the > Cherokees (referred to as Old Settlers) to self emigrate to their > Reservation in north central Arkansas. (they stayed there until about > 1830) > when the reservation was dissolved in another treaty and the Old Settlers > went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for "passport" allowing Inds (reds...:o) > to travel. > > Sam Huston , the Texican, was very hooked to the Cherokees, he was known > as > "The Raven" & book title same name , .. in his biography you see much. > (one of my family names chief (John Jolly) , adopted him, but others claim > not the same person. Neither of us can "proove" yes/no , but I have some > paper trial for that!! > > Also, along with your good information, you did not mention 1811 > earthquake > SE Missouri "bootheel" , Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , fled to > TX , they considered the ground shake a bad medicine message or something. > Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with the Cherokee,.. how many of the > treaty > conditions were kept by this govt ?? (tune in this theatre next week for > the answer..)!! > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always check > outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > > >> The mention about the new museum In Fort Smith, AK reminded of something >> I >> discovered in my research in the past. I found that thousands and >> thousands >> of Creeks and Cherokees went west prior to the Trail of Tears in the >> late >> 1830s. Very few went initially to Oklahoma because it was claimed by >> other >> tribes. Cherokees and Upper Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes to >> Missouri. >> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >> Mexico - >> perhaps also to the southern tip of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went to >> Texas >> and then to Mexico. Most Cherokees were chased out of Texas after it >> became a >> Republic. However, a considerable number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >> Lower >> Creeks were allowed to stay in Texas because they had fought along side >> the >> Texans against the Mexicans. >> >> As I mentioned last week, also look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >> Texas. >> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) Creeks were promised that they could >> keep >> their farms in Georgia and South Carolina, but many were either >> illegally >> dispossessed or felt insecure in an anti-Indian political environment. >> The >> Friendly Creeks carried with them a hybrid culture that was a mixture of >> the >> Mound-Builders and Scottish frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations of >> being >> planters or ranchers in Texas. Their descendants tended to blend in >> with >> the >> Texans since Creeks are not that different in appearance from Mexican >> Mestizos. >> >> Also, when planning to serve possum for prominent guests or wedding >> parties, >> be sure and feed the possum cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >> weeks >> before dressing them. Parboiling the possum for awhile will get rid of >> the >> excess fat created by the cornbread and buttermilk. >> >> Richard T. >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >> budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >> ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sam, Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) wannabe fraudlent groups in the area you mention. Before you recognize them, you might want to find a site that lists all the federally recognized tribes and see if the group you mention is on the list. I have "bumped" into some of these people and it is disturbing to see them using "enrollement cards" with numbers of their own manufacture. Part of the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer to themselves as Cherokee tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) as authentic native american. To become one of them, the usually needed genealogy is a $20 /or check made out to them. I have not been arround any of them for a while (they got to know me..) , but I suspect they are still getting a high level of membership enrollment. Most of their starting dialog with strangers is" we are descended from Inds who jumped off the boats,.. my ancestors escaped from the trail of tears.." (thats why we are here, etc..) Yuck. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > Richard B, > I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and Missouri, are referred to as the Lost > Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas > and > Missouri) > > Thanks, Sam > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always > checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > > >> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, I guess my ggrandmother forgot to >> "parboil" and went straight to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up in >> the baking pan, but I think they used to dip their homemade bread in >> that. >> That was one of the few foods I tried and did not acquire a taste for. >> (too >> much oil..). How do you get those roadkills to eat the buttermilk/etc??? >> >> In locations for natives,.. remember that about 1817 was a treaty for the >> Cherokees (referred to as Old Settlers) to self emigrate to their >> Reservation in north central Arkansas. (they stayed there until about >> 1830) >> when the reservation was dissolved in another treaty and the Old Settlers >> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for "passport" allowing Inds >> (reds...:o) >> to travel. >> >> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very hooked to the Cherokees, he was known >> as >> "The Raven" & book title same name , .. in his biography you see much. >> (one of my family names chief (John Jolly) , adopted him, but others >> claim >> not the same person. Neither of us can "proove" yes/no , but I have some >> paper trial for that!! >> >> Also, along with your good information, you did not mention 1811 >> earthquake >> SE Missouri "bootheel" , Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , fled >> to >> TX , they considered the ground shake a bad medicine message or >> something. >> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with the Cherokee,.. how many of the >> treaty >> conditions were kept by this govt ?? (tune in this theatre next week for >> the answer..)!! >> >> Richard B. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM >> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always check >> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >> >>> The mention about the new museum In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >>> something >>> I >>> discovered in my research in the past. I found that thousands and >>> thousands >>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west prior to the Trail of Tears in the >>> late >>> 1830s. Very few went initially to Oklahoma because it was claimed by >>> other >>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >>> to >>> Missouri. >>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >>> Mexico - >>> perhaps also to the southern tip of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went to >>> Texas >>> and then to Mexico. Most Cherokees were chased out of Texas after it >>> became a >>> Republic. However, a considerable number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >>> Lower >>> Creeks were allowed to stay in Texas because they had fought along side >>> the >>> Texans against the Mexicans. >>> >>> As I mentioned last week, also look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >>> Texas. >>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) Creeks were promised that they could >>> keep >>> their farms in Georgia and South Carolina, but many were either >>> illegally >>> dispossessed or felt insecure in an anti-Indian political environment. >>> The >>> Friendly Creeks carried with them a hybrid culture that was a mixture >>> of >>> the >>> Mound-Builders and Scottish frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations of >>> being >>> planters or ranchers in Texas. Their descendants tended to blend in >>> with >>> the >>> Texans since Creeks are not that different in appearance from Mexican >>> Mestizos. >>> >>> Also, when planning to serve possum for prominent guests or wedding >>> parties, >>> be sure and feed the possum cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >>> weeks >>> before dressing them. Parboiling the possum for awhile will get rid of >>> the >>> excess fat created by the cornbread and buttermilk. >>> >>> Richard T. >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>> budget? >>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >>> ) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >