Thanks Richard B., He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls and so was his grand parents and parents. His brother also. I understand the situation on the wanta bees. But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, with no benefits, or Federal recognition. Arkansas and Missouri. The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has now moved to Dover, Ark. if I am not mistaken. Thank you, my friend. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > Sam, > Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) wannabe fraudlent groups in > the > area you mention. Before you recognize them, you might want to find a > site > that lists all the federally recognized tribes and see if the group you > mention is on the list. > > I have "bumped" into some of these people and it is disturbing to see them > using "enrollement cards" with numbers of their own manufacture. Part of > the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer to themselves as Cherokee > tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) as authentic native > american. > To become one of them, the usually needed genealogy is a $20 /or check > made > out to them. I have not been arround any of them for a while (they got to > know me..) , but I suspect they are still getting a high level of > membership > enrollment. Most of their starting dialog with strangers is" we are > descended from Inds who jumped off the boats,.. my ancestors escaped from > the trail of tears.." (thats why we are here, etc..) Yuck. > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors > alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > > >> Richard B, >> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and Missouri, are referred to as the >> Lost >> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas >> and >> Missouri) >> >> Thanks, Sam >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always >> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >> >>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, I guess my ggrandmother forgot to >>> "parboil" and went straight to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up >>> in >>> the baking pan, but I think they used to dip their homemade bread in >>> that. >>> That was one of the few foods I tried and did not acquire a taste for. >>> (too >>> much oil..). How do you get those roadkills to eat the >>> buttermilk/etc??? >>> >>> In locations for natives,.. remember that about 1817 was a treaty for >>> the >>> Cherokees (referred to as Old Settlers) to self emigrate to their >>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. (they stayed there until about >>> 1830) >>> when the reservation was dissolved in another treaty and the Old >>> Settlers >>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for "passport" allowing Inds >>> (reds...:o) >>> to travel. >>> >>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very hooked to the Cherokees, he was >>> known >>> as >>> "The Raven" & book title same name , .. in his biography you see much. >>> (one of my family names chief (John Jolly) , adopted him, but others >>> claim >>> not the same person. Neither of us can "proove" yes/no , but I have >>> some >>> paper trial for that!! >>> >>> Also, along with your good information, you did not mention 1811 >>> earthquake >>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , fled >>> to >>> TX , they considered the ground shake a bad medicine message or >>> something. >>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with the Cherokee,.. how many of the >>> treaty >>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? (tune in this theatre next week >>> for >>> the answer..)!! >>> >>> Richard B. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM >>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always check >>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>> >>>> The mention about the new museum In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >>>> something >>>> I >>>> discovered in my research in the past. I found that thousands and >>>> thousands >>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west prior to the Trail of Tears in the >>>> late >>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to Oklahoma because it was claimed by >>>> other >>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >>>> to >>>> Missouri. >>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >>>> Mexico - >>>> perhaps also to the southern tip of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went to >>>> Texas >>>> and then to Mexico. Most Cherokees were chased out of Texas after it >>>> became a >>>> Republic. However, a considerable number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >>>> Lower >>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in Texas because they had fought along >>>> side >>>> the >>>> Texans against the Mexicans. >>>> >>>> As I mentioned last week, also look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >>>> Texas. >>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) Creeks were promised that they could >>>> keep >>>> their farms in Georgia and South Carolina, but many were either >>>> illegally >>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in an anti-Indian political environment. >>>> The >>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them a hybrid culture that was a mixture >>>> of >>>> the >>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations of >>>> being >>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. Their descendants tended to blend in >>>> with >>>> the >>>> Texans since Creeks are not that different in appearance from Mexican >>>> Mestizos. >>>> >>>> Also, when planning to serve possum for prominent guests or wedding >>>> parties, >>>> be sure and feed the possum cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >>>> weeks >>>> before dressing them. Parboiling the possum for awhile will get rid >>>> of >>>> the >>>> excess fat created by the cornbread and buttermilk. >>>> >>>> Richard T. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>>> budget? >>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >>>> ) >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sam, I did not think they are recognized, but I do not have a need to know on that one. There were some very early Cherokees settled vicinity of Dover... (I'm getting a vision..)...:o) a significant school or church situation. This is central to the area that John Jolly (chief of the Old Settlers) 1828/29 , was located (he maybe my connection, plus where Sam Huston "holed up" before going on to his fame in TX ) and due south of there on the Arkansas River is a large population of Cheroks and a very old Cherokee cemetery on the bluffs above the river. By the way, these places are getting in the neighborhood of where my "pioneers" (Thomas Clark from TN in 1853/or 54) began,... in extreme southwest Newton County , AR. Am probably related to Merle Haggard, he claims to be from same place. Everybody (!!) is cuzn there. There are some folks that area who quit talking to me about genealogy (their ancestors murdered my gggrandfather Thomas Clark, spring 1863). As I took apart the last threads of information,... I had it and they just "shut up". If anyone encounters some research on a battle/attack (1st week of February , 1863) involving 7 members of the union 1st AR CAV , at Mulberry Springs, AR, I surely would be interested. It was an attack on a log "compound" against 35 Mankins or Manican Indians. I have looked some and believe these Manikin/Mankins are originally from/part of the Powhatans in easter Virginia ??). The inhabitants of the compound were paid partisans , hired by Peter Mankins. I have read the military record, but hope there is more info "out there". Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > Thanks Richard B., > He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls and so was his grand > parents and parents. > His brother also. > I understand the situation on the wanta bees. > But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, with no benefits, or > Federal > recognition. > Arkansas and Missouri. > The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has now moved to Dover, > Ark. > if I am not mistaken. > Thank you, my friend. > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for > ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > > >> Sam, >> Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) wannabe fraudlent groups in >> the >> area you mention. Before you recognize them, you might want to find a >> site >> that lists all the federally recognized tribes and see if the group you >> mention is on the list. >> >> I have "bumped" into some of these people and it is disturbing to see >> them >> using "enrollement cards" with numbers of their own manufacture. Part of >> the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer to themselves as Cherokee >> tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) as authentic native >> american. >> To become one of them, the usually needed genealogy is a $20 /or check >> made >> out to them. I have not been arround any of them for a while (they got >> to >> know me..) , but I suspect they are still getting a high level of >> membership >> enrollment. Most of their starting dialog with strangers is" we are >> descended from Inds who jumped off the boats,.. my ancestors escaped from >> the trail of tears.." (thats why we are here, etc..) Yuck. >> >> Richard B. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors >> alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >> >>> Richard B, >>> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and Missouri, are referred to as the >>> Lost >>> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas >>> and >>> Missouri) >>> >>> Thanks, Sam >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always >>> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>> >>>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, I guess my ggrandmother forgot to >>>> "parboil" and went straight to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up >>>> in >>>> the baking pan, but I think they used to dip their homemade bread in >>>> that. >>>> That was one of the few foods I tried and did not acquire a taste for. >>>> (too >>>> much oil..). How do you get those roadkills to eat the >>>> buttermilk/etc??? >>>> >>>> In locations for natives,.. remember that about 1817 was a treaty for >>>> the >>>> Cherokees (referred to as Old Settlers) to self emigrate to their >>>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. (they stayed there until about >>>> 1830) >>>> when the reservation was dissolved in another treaty and the Old >>>> Settlers >>>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for "passport" allowing Inds >>>> (reds...:o) >>>> to travel. >>>> >>>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very hooked to the Cherokees, he was >>>> known >>>> as >>>> "The Raven" & book title same name , .. in his biography you see much. >>>> (one of my family names chief (John Jolly) , adopted him, but others >>>> claim >>>> not the same person. Neither of us can "proove" yes/no , but I have >>>> some >>>> paper trial for that!! >>>> >>>> Also, along with your good information, you did not mention 1811 >>>> earthquake >>>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , fled >>>> to >>>> TX , they considered the ground shake a bad medicine message or >>>> something. >>>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with the Cherokee,.. how many of the >>>> treaty >>>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? (tune in this theatre next week >>>> for >>>> the answer..)!! >>>> >>>> Richard B. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM >>>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always check >>>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>> The mention about the new museum In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >>>>> something >>>>> I >>>>> discovered in my research in the past. I found that thousands and >>>>> thousands >>>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west prior to the Trail of Tears in the >>>>> late >>>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to Oklahoma because it was claimed by >>>>> other >>>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >>>>> to >>>>> Missouri. >>>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >>>>> Mexico - >>>>> perhaps also to the southern tip of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went to >>>>> Texas >>>>> and then to Mexico. Most Cherokees were chased out of Texas after it >>>>> became a >>>>> Republic. However, a considerable number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >>>>> Lower >>>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in Texas because they had fought along >>>>> side >>>>> the >>>>> Texans against the Mexicans. >>>>> >>>>> As I mentioned last week, also look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >>>>> Texas. >>>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) Creeks were promised that they could >>>>> keep >>>>> their farms in Georgia and South Carolina, but many were either >>>>> illegally >>>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in an anti-Indian political >>>>> environment. >>>>> The >>>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them a hybrid culture that was a mixture >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations >>>>> of >>>>> being >>>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. Their descendants tended to blend in >>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>> Texans since Creeks are not that different in appearance from Mexican >>>>> Mestizos. >>>>> >>>>> Also, when planning to serve possum for prominent guests or wedding >>>>> parties, >>>>> be sure and feed the possum cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >>>>> weeks >>>>> before dressing them. Parboiling the possum for awhile will get rid >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> excess fat created by the cornbread and buttermilk. >>>>> >>>>> Richard T. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>>>> budget? >>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >>>>> ) >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Thanks Richard B, No the tribe is not State or Federally listed on the rolls. May be one you can buy a membership into. Look up Lost Cherokee Tribe, Arkansas and Missouri. I have some errands to run and will find the site for you to check out. Tks, Sam I know they do not make and sell NA jewelry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas > Sam, > I did not think they are recognized, but I do not have a need to know on > that one. > > There were some very early Cherokees settled vicinity of Dover... (I'm > getting a vision..)...:o) a significant school or church situation. This > is central to the area that John Jolly (chief of the Old Settlers) 1828/29 > , > was located (he maybe my connection, plus where Sam Huston "holed up" > before going on to his fame in TX ) and due south of there on the Arkansas > River is a large population of Cheroks and a very old Cherokee cemetery on > the bluffs above the river. > By the way, these places are getting in the neighborhood of where my > "pioneers" (Thomas Clark from TN in 1853/or 54) began,... in extreme > southwest Newton County , AR. Am probably related to Merle Haggard, he > claims to be from same place. Everybody (!!) is cuzn there. There are > some > folks that area who quit talking to me about genealogy (their ancestors > murdered my gggrandfather Thomas Clark, spring 1863). As I took apart the > last threads of information,... I had it and they just "shut up". > > If anyone encounters some research on a battle/attack (1st week of > February > , 1863) involving 7 members of the union 1st AR CAV , at Mulberry Springs, > AR, I surely would be interested. It was an attack on a log "compound" > against 35 Mankins or Manican Indians. I have looked some and believe > these Manikin/Mankins are originally from/part of the Powhatans in easter > Virginia ??). The inhabitants of the compound were paid partisans , hired > by Peter Mankins. I have read the military record, but hope there is more > info "out there". > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking > forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > > >> Thanks Richard B., >> He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls and so was his grand >> parents and parents. >> His brother also. >> I understand the situation on the wanta bees. >> But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, with no benefits, or >> Federal >> recognition. >> Arkansas and Missouri. >> The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has now moved to Dover, >> Ark. >> if I am not mistaken. >> Thank you, my friend. >> >> Sam >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for >> ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >> >>> Sam, >>> Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) wannabe fraudlent groups in >>> the >>> area you mention. Before you recognize them, you might want to find a >>> site >>> that lists all the federally recognized tribes and see if the group you >>> mention is on the list. >>> >>> I have "bumped" into some of these people and it is disturbing to see >>> them >>> using "enrollement cards" with numbers of their own manufacture. Part >>> of >>> the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer to themselves as Cherokee >>> tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) as authentic native >>> american. >>> To become one of them, the usually needed genealogy is a $20 /or check >>> made >>> out to them. I have not been arround any of them for a while (they got >>> to >>> know me..) , but I suspect they are still getting a high level of >>> membership >>> enrollment. Most of their starting dialog with strangers is" we are >>> descended from Inds who jumped off the boats,.. my ancestors escaped >>> from >>> the trail of tears.." (thats why we are here, etc..) Yuck. >>> >>> Richard B. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors >>> alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>> >>>> Richard B, >>>> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and Missouri, are referred to as the >>>> Lost >>>> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas >>>> and >>>> Missouri) >>>> >>>> Thanks, Sam >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always >>>> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, I guess my ggrandmother forgot >>>>> to >>>>> "parboil" and went straight to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up >>>>> in >>>>> the baking pan, but I think they used to dip their homemade bread in >>>>> that. >>>>> That was one of the few foods I tried and did not acquire a taste for. >>>>> (too >>>>> much oil..). How do you get those roadkills to eat the >>>>> buttermilk/etc??? >>>>> >>>>> In locations for natives,.. remember that about 1817 was a treaty for >>>>> the >>>>> Cherokees (referred to as Old Settlers) to self emigrate to their >>>>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. (they stayed there until about >>>>> 1830) >>>>> when the reservation was dissolved in another treaty and the Old >>>>> Settlers >>>>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for "passport" allowing Inds >>>>> (reds...:o) >>>>> to travel. >>>>> >>>>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very hooked to the Cherokees, he was >>>>> known >>>>> as >>>>> "The Raven" & book title same name , .. in his biography you see >>>>> much. >>>>> (one of my family names chief (John Jolly) , adopted him, but others >>>>> claim >>>>> not the same person. Neither of us can "proove" yes/no , but I have >>>>> some >>>>> paper trial for that!! >>>>> >>>>> Also, along with your good information, you did not mention 1811 >>>>> earthquake >>>>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , >>>>> fled >>>>> to >>>>> TX , they considered the ground shake a bad medicine message or >>>>> something. >>>>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with the Cherokee,.. how many of the >>>>> treaty >>>>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? (tune in this theatre next week >>>>> for >>>>> the answer..)!! >>>>> >>>>> Richard B. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM >>>>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always check >>>>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The mention about the new museum In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >>>>>> something >>>>>> I >>>>>> discovered in my research in the past. I found that thousands and >>>>>> thousands >>>>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west prior to the Trail of Tears in the >>>>>> late >>>>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to Oklahoma because it was claimed by >>>>>> other >>>>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >>>>>> to >>>>>> Missouri. >>>>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >>>>>> Mexico - >>>>>> perhaps also to the southern tip of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went >>>>>> to >>>>>> Texas >>>>>> and then to Mexico. Most Cherokees were chased out of Texas after >>>>>> it >>>>>> became a >>>>>> Republic. However, a considerable number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >>>>>> Lower >>>>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in Texas because they had fought along >>>>>> side >>>>>> the >>>>>> Texans against the Mexicans. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned last week, also look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >>>>>> Texas. >>>>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) Creeks were promised that they >>>>>> could >>>>>> keep >>>>>> their farms in Georgia and South Carolina, but many were either >>>>>> illegally >>>>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in an anti-Indian political >>>>>> environment. >>>>>> The >>>>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them a hybrid culture that was a >>>>>> mixture >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations >>>>>> of >>>>>> being >>>>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. Their descendants tended to blend in >>>>>> with >>>>>> the >>>>>> Texans since Creeks are not that different in appearance from >>>>>> Mexican >>>>>> Mestizos. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, when planning to serve possum for prominent guests or wedding >>>>>> parties, >>>>>> be sure and feed the possum cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >>>>>> weeks >>>>>> before dressing them. Parboiling the possum for awhile will get rid >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> excess fat created by the cornbread and buttermilk. >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard T. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>>>>> budget? >>>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >>>>>> ) >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Attn: Richard B, here is the site. The Lost Cherokee of Arkansas and Missouri Arkansas Cherokee Phoenix Articles and Information [email protected] Tks. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas > Sam, > I did not think they are recognized, but I do not have a need to know on > that one. > > There were some very early Cherokees settled vicinity of Dover... (I'm > getting a vision..)...:o) a significant school or church situation. This > is central to the area that John Jolly (chief of the Old Settlers) 1828/29 > , > was located (he maybe my connection, plus where Sam Huston "holed up" > before going on to his fame in TX ) and due south of there on the Arkansas > River is a large population of Cheroks and a very old Cherokee cemetery on > the bluffs above the river. > By the way, these places are getting in the neighborhood of where my > "pioneers" (Thomas Clark from TN in 1853/or 54) began,... in extreme > southwest Newton County , AR. Am probably related to Merle Haggard, he > claims to be from same place. Everybody (!!) is cuzn there. There are > some > folks that area who quit talking to me about genealogy (their ancestors > murdered my gggrandfather Thomas Clark, spring 1863). As I took apart the > last threads of information,... I had it and they just "shut up". > > If anyone encounters some research on a battle/attack (1st week of > February > , 1863) involving 7 members of the union 1st AR CAV , at Mulberry Springs, > AR, I surely would be interested. It was an attack on a log "compound" > against 35 Mankins or Manican Indians. I have looked some and believe > these Manikin/Mankins are originally from/part of the Powhatans in easter > Virginia ??). The inhabitants of the compound were paid partisans , hired > by Peter Mankins. I have read the military record, but hope there is more > info "out there". > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking > forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > > >> Thanks Richard B., >> He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls and so was his grand >> parents and parents. >> His brother also. >> I understand the situation on the wanta bees. >> But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, with no benefits, or >> Federal >> recognition. >> Arkansas and Missouri. >> The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has now moved to Dover, >> Ark. >> if I am not mistaken. >> Thank you, my friend. >> >> Sam >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for >> ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >> >>> Sam, >>> Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) wannabe fraudlent groups in >>> the >>> area you mention. Before you recognize them, you might want to find a >>> site >>> that lists all the federally recognized tribes and see if the group you >>> mention is on the list. >>> >>> I have "bumped" into some of these people and it is disturbing to see >>> them >>> using "enrollement cards" with numbers of their own manufacture. Part >>> of >>> the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer to themselves as Cherokee >>> tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) as authentic native >>> american. >>> To become one of them, the usually needed genealogy is a $20 /or check >>> made >>> out to them. I have not been arround any of them for a while (they got >>> to >>> know me..) , but I suspect they are still getting a high level of >>> membership >>> enrollment. Most of their starting dialog with strangers is" we are >>> descended from Inds who jumped off the boats,.. my ancestors escaped >>> from >>> the trail of tears.." (thats why we are here, etc..) Yuck. >>> >>> Richard B. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors >>> alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>> >>>> Richard B, >>>> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and Missouri, are referred to as the >>>> Lost >>>> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas >>>> and >>>> Missouri) >>>> >>>> Thanks, Sam >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always >>>> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, I guess my ggrandmother forgot >>>>> to >>>>> "parboil" and went straight to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up >>>>> in >>>>> the baking pan, but I think they used to dip their homemade bread in >>>>> that. >>>>> That was one of the few foods I tried and did not acquire a taste for. >>>>> (too >>>>> much oil..). How do you get those roadkills to eat the >>>>> buttermilk/etc??? >>>>> >>>>> In locations for natives,.. remember that about 1817 was a treaty for >>>>> the >>>>> Cherokees (referred to as Old Settlers) to self emigrate to their >>>>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. (they stayed there until about >>>>> 1830) >>>>> when the reservation was dissolved in another treaty and the Old >>>>> Settlers >>>>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for "passport" allowing Inds >>>>> (reds...:o) >>>>> to travel. >>>>> >>>>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very hooked to the Cherokees, he was >>>>> known >>>>> as >>>>> "The Raven" & book title same name , .. in his biography you see >>>>> much. >>>>> (one of my family names chief (John Jolly) , adopted him, but others >>>>> claim >>>>> not the same person. Neither of us can "proove" yes/no , but I have >>>>> some >>>>> paper trial for that!! >>>>> >>>>> Also, along with your good information, you did not mention 1811 >>>>> earthquake >>>>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , >>>>> fled >>>>> to >>>>> TX , they considered the ground shake a bad medicine message or >>>>> something. >>>>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with the Cherokee,.. how many of the >>>>> treaty >>>>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? (tune in this theatre next week >>>>> for >>>>> the answer..)!! >>>>> >>>>> Richard B. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM >>>>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always check >>>>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The mention about the new museum In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >>>>>> something >>>>>> I >>>>>> discovered in my research in the past. I found that thousands and >>>>>> thousands >>>>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west prior to the Trail of Tears in the >>>>>> late >>>>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to Oklahoma because it was claimed by >>>>>> other >>>>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >>>>>> to >>>>>> Missouri. >>>>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >>>>>> Mexico - >>>>>> perhaps also to the southern tip of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went >>>>>> to >>>>>> Texas >>>>>> and then to Mexico. Most Cherokees were chased out of Texas after >>>>>> it >>>>>> became a >>>>>> Republic. However, a considerable number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >>>>>> Lower >>>>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in Texas because they had fought along >>>>>> side >>>>>> the >>>>>> Texans against the Mexicans. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned last week, also look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >>>>>> Texas. >>>>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) Creeks were promised that they >>>>>> could >>>>>> keep >>>>>> their farms in Georgia and South Carolina, but many were either >>>>>> illegally >>>>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in an anti-Indian political >>>>>> environment. >>>>>> The >>>>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them a hybrid culture that was a >>>>>> mixture >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations >>>>>> of >>>>>> being >>>>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. Their descendants tended to blend in >>>>>> with >>>>>> the >>>>>> Texans since Creeks are not that different in appearance from >>>>>> Mexican >>>>>> Mestizos. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, when planning to serve possum for prominent guests or wedding >>>>>> parties, >>>>>> be sure and feed the possum cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >>>>>> weeks >>>>>> before dressing them. Parboiling the possum for awhile will get rid >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> excess fat created by the cornbread and buttermilk. >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard T. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>>>>> budget? >>>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >>>>>> ) >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message