Thank you for the information Richard. I will check the Baker Rolls. Think I have already done that. Tks, Sam Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery > Yes, > early decades of 1800 to 1836 , Cherokees were in the southeast. When > this > govt removed about 16,000 to Oklahoma Territory ( about 1/4 of that number > died on the trail.. and of course did not arrive.) > > During your time slot.... 1817 to about 1828 , there were Cherokees > resettling to north central Arkansas (reservation land..) . And , just > prior to removal in 1835/36/37 , about 1100 or so in the southeast > "escaped > to the hills" rather than be removed. These 1100 are the Eastern > Cherokees > and many family names will later show up on their roll .. the Baker Roll. > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CheeryFats" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:06 PM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery > > >> In 1824 in Early County, GA, Elizabeth Boles married Abraham Warren. >> Abraham is a ggggguncle of mine. Just a few months ago I met, over >> the internet, a direct descendant of Elizabeth and Abraham (and >> several other folks, from whom I descend too). My new-found cousin >> wanted to know if I had any info on Elizabeth, who was American >> Indian according to family lore. I didn't even know her last name, >> so my new-found cousin was way ahead of me. And that is how I have >> become interested in these Boles. >> >> Elizabeth and Abraham moved to Coffee County, AL and spent several >> decades there, then followed their children to Henderson County, TX. >> The last time I can find them in the census is in 1870 in Athens, >> Henderson County, TX., though in 1880 Elizabeth (then a widow) was >> living with their son James. >> >> There were other Boles in Coffee County, AL during those early years, >> but there were many more in Henderson County, TX, and they were >> living near (because they were related through marriages) some >> Cadenheads. >> >> I figured that the Boles in Early County GA, Coffee County AL and >> Henderson County TX were most likely Creeks. Indeed, an early (no >> pun intended) brief history of Early County, GA stated that: >> >> "Unlike the other counties, it [Early] had within its borders a few >> Indian towns, where some small bodies of "Creeks" had their homes." >> http://genforum.genealogy.com/sheffield/messages/1936.html >> >> As I continued searching, I came across information that the >> Henderson County TX Boles, along with the Cadenheads who were their >> relatives and neighbors, were Cherokees. Data I have seen over the >> internet (not the actual documents) includes this example: >> >> "BOLES/CADENHEAD APPLICATION FOR MEMBERSHIP, CHEROKEE NATION 1896 >> All persons named in this application are members of one large >> extended family, related by blood and marriage. This information was >> received from the National Archives in Fort Worth, Texas. It >> consisted of 42 legal size photocopied pages of documents relating to >> the applications and appeal of denied citizenship. Denial was based >> on the fact that James Boles' name was not on one of the official >> Cherokee Census rolls taken in 1835, 1848, 1851 or 1852 and that >> James Boles never resided in Indian Territory. All persons named in >> this are all members of one extended family and the report proves >> thier lineage and relationship to each other." >> >> This application contained numerous statements from witnesses that >> the Boles and Cadenheads involved were indeed Cherokee. >> >> Now back to Elizabeth Boles who married my Abraham Warren. I have >> gotten no further in determining her ancestry, let alone whether she >> was related to the Boles who were in Henderson County, TX, though >> there is a hint or two that she may have been. What I would >> appreciate knowing from any of you is whether there is any record of >> the names of the Creek families who supposedly were in Early County >> GA in the first few decades of 1800. And, while this seems far- >> fetched to me, do any of you know if any Cherokees were there at that >> time? >> >> Many thanks. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many many thanks! I will certainly check them. On Aug 17, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Sam Gipson wrote: > Thank you for the information Richard. > I will check the Baker Rolls. Think I have > already done that. > > Tks, Sam Arkansas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery > > >> Yes, >> early decades of 1800 to 1836 , Cherokees were in the southeast. >> When >> this >> govt removed about 16,000 to Oklahoma Territory ( about 1/4 of >> that number >> died on the trail.. and of course did not arrive.) >> >> During your time slot.... 1817 to about 1828 , there were Cherokees >> resettling to north central Arkansas (reservation land..) . >> And , just >> prior to removal in 1835/36/37 , about 1100 or so in the southeast >> "escaped >> to the hills" rather than be removed. These 1100 are the Eastern >> Cherokees >> and many family names will later show up on their roll .. the >> Baker Roll. >> >> Richard B. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "CheeryFats" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:06 PM >> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery >> >> >>> In 1824 in Early County, GA, Elizabeth Boles married Abraham Warren. >>> Abraham is a ggggguncle of mine. Just a few months ago I met, over >>> the internet, a direct descendant of Elizabeth and Abraham (and >>> several other folks, from whom I descend too). My new-found cousin >>> wanted to know if I had any info on Elizabeth, who was American >>> Indian according to family lore. I didn't even know her last name, >>> so my new-found cousin was way ahead of me. And that is how I have >>> become interested in these Boles. >>> >>> Elizabeth and Abraham moved to Coffee County, AL and spent several >>> decades there, then followed their children to Henderson County, TX. >>> The last time I can find them in the census is in 1870 in Athens, >>> Henderson County, TX., though in 1880 Elizabeth (then a widow) was >>> living with their son James. >>> >>> There were other Boles in Coffee County, AL during those early >>> years, >>> but there were many more in Henderson County, TX, and they were >>> living near (because they were related through marriages) some >>> Cadenheads. >>> >>> I figured that the Boles in Early County GA, Coffee County AL and >>> Henderson County TX were most likely Creeks. Indeed, an early (no >>> pun intended) brief history of Early County, GA stated that: >>> >>> "Unlike the other counties, it [Early] had within its borders a few >>> Indian towns, where some small bodies of "Creeks" had their homes." >>> http://genforum.genealogy.com/sheffield/messages/1936.html >>> >>> As I continued searching, I came across information that the >>> Henderson County TX Boles, along with the Cadenheads who were their >>> relatives and neighbors, were Cherokees. Data I have seen over the >>> internet (not the actual documents) includes this example: >>> >>> "BOLES/CADENHEAD APPLICATION FOR MEMBERSHIP, CHEROKEE NATION 1896 >>> All persons named in this application are members of one large >>> extended family, related by blood and marriage. This information >>> was >>> received from the National Archives in Fort Worth, Texas. It >>> consisted of 42 legal size photocopied pages of documents >>> relating to >>> the applications and appeal of denied citizenship. Denial was based >>> on the fact that James Boles' name was not on one of the official >>> Cherokee Census rolls taken in 1835, 1848, 1851 or 1852 and that >>> James Boles never resided in Indian Territory. All persons named in >>> this are all members of one extended family and the report proves >>> thier lineage and relationship to each other." >>> >>> This application contained numerous statements from witnesses that >>> the Boles and Cadenheads involved were indeed Cherokee. >>> >>> Now back to Elizabeth Boles who married my Abraham Warren. I have >>> gotten no further in determining her ancestry, let alone whether she >>> was related to the Boles who were in Henderson County, TX, though >>> there is a hint or two that she may have been. What I would >>> appreciate knowing from any of you is whether there is any >>> record of >>> the names of the Creek families who supposedly were in Early County >>> GA in the first few decades of 1800. And, while this seems far- >>> fetched to me, do any of you know if any Cherokees were there at >>> that >>> time? >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please keep in mind that the core group of ancestors of the Eastern Band of Cherokees were the Oconaluftee group who had seperated from the Cherokee nation some 20 years before the Removal, they had accepted the 640 acre reservation granted to the head of each household, and North Carolina citizenship, it was a total of 49 families and I think their names appear on the reservation roll. they were exempt from the Removal, and during the removal were hesitant about taking in any Cherokee Refugees hiding out from the soldiers to avoid removal. I think that after the removal some Cherokee families who had avoided removal did merge with the Oconaluftee Band, but many families did not, and probably never came forward when later tribal rolls were taken for the Eastern Band of Cherokees --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Sam Gipson <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Sam Gipson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 10:55 PM > Thank you for the information Richard. > I will check the Baker Rolls. Think I have > already done that. > > Tks, Sam Arkansas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery > > > > Yes, > > early decades of 1800 to 1836 , Cherokees were in the > southeast. When > > this > > govt removed about 16,000 to Oklahoma Territory ( > about 1/4 of that number > > died on the trail.. and of course did not arrive.) > > > > During your time slot.... 1817 to about 1828 , there > were Cherokees > > resettling to north central Arkansas (reservation > land..) . And , just > > prior to removal in 1835/36/37 , about 1100 or so in > the southeast > > "escaped > > to the hills" rather than be removed. These > 1100 are the Eastern > > Cherokees > > and many family names will later show up on their roll > .. the Baker Roll. > > > > Richard B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "CheeryFats" > <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:06 PM > > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery > > > > > >> In 1824 in Early County, GA, Elizabeth Boles > married Abraham Warren. > >> Abraham is a ggggguncle of mine. Just a few > months ago I met, over > >> the internet, a direct descendant of Elizabeth and > Abraham (and > >> several other folks, from whom I descend too). My > new-found cousin > >> wanted to know if I had any info on Elizabeth, who > was American > >> Indian according to family lore. I didn't > even know her last name, > >> so my new-found cousin was way ahead of me. And > that is how I have > >> become interested in these Boles. > >> > >> Elizabeth and Abraham moved to Coffee County, AL > and spent several > >> decades there, then followed their children to > Henderson County, TX. > >> The last time I can find them in the census is in > 1870 in Athens, > >> Henderson County, TX., though in 1880 Elizabeth > (then a widow) was > >> living with their son James. > >> > >> There were other Boles in Coffee County, AL during > those early years, > >> but there were many more in Henderson County, TX, > and they were > >> living near (because they were related through > marriages) some > >> Cadenheads. > >> > >> I figured that the Boles in Early County GA, > Coffee County AL and > >> Henderson County TX were most likely Creeks. > Indeed, an early (no > >> pun intended) brief history of Early County, GA > stated that: > >> > >> "Unlike the other counties, it [Early] had > within its borders a few > >> Indian towns, where some small bodies of > "Creeks" had their homes." > >> > http://genforum.genealogy.com/sheffield/messages/1936.html > >> > >> As I continued searching, I came across > information that the > >> Henderson County TX Boles, along with the > Cadenheads who were their > >> relatives and neighbors, were Cherokees. Data I > have seen over the > >> internet (not the actual documents) includes this > example: > >> > >> "BOLES/CADENHEAD APPLICATION FOR MEMBERSHIP, > CHEROKEE NATION 1896 > >> All persons named in this application are members > of one large > >> extended family, related by blood and marriage. > This information was > >> received from the National Archives in Fort Worth, > Texas. It > >> consisted of 42 legal size photocopied pages of > documents relating to > >> the applications and appeal of denied citizenship. > Denial was based > >> on the fact that James Boles' name was not on > one of the official > >> Cherokee Census rolls taken in 1835, 1848, 1851 or > 1852 and that > >> James Boles never resided in Indian Territory. All > persons named in > >> this are all members of one extended family and > the report proves > >> thier lineage and relationship to each > other." > >> > >> This application contained numerous statements > from witnesses that > >> the Boles and Cadenheads involved were indeed > Cherokee. > >> > >> Now back to Elizabeth Boles who married my Abraham > Warren. I have > >> gotten no further in determining her ancestry, let > alone whether she > >> was related to the Boles who were in Henderson > County, TX, though > >> there is a hint or two that she may have been. > What I would > >> appreciate knowing from any of you is whether > there is any record of > >> the names of the Creek families who supposedly > were in Early County > >> GA in the first few decades of 1800. And, while > this seems far- > >> fetched to me, do any of you know if any Cherokees > were there at that > >> time? > >> > >> Many thanks. > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Interesting additional information. Thanks. Somewhere (?) in my books I have the census of the 16,000 who were sent to Oklahoma, ... think it is called "Those Who Cried" . Mention is made of rounding up families, censusing families (so to know their locations when the time came...). There was nothing said in my book of deals made with groups so that they did not have to remove. All that was said was that about 1100 escaped and hid out in the mountains. No mention of what became of them, it would have been difficult since they had no "place" or legal status (as a human being...). I just supposed the hide out Cherokee eventually came to live with some they knew. Saddest comment I heard was about the Cherokee mother , who as she was being pushed away from her home (for the last time) asked to feed her chickens before she left with the soldiers. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery > > Please keep in mind that the core group of ancestors of the Eastern Band > of Cherokees were the Oconaluftee group who had seperated from the > Cherokee nation some 20 years before the Removal, they had accepted the > 640 acre reservation granted to the head of each household, and North > Carolina citizenship, it was a total of 49 families and I think their > names appear on the reservation roll. > they were exempt from the Removal, and during the removal were hesitant > about taking in any Cherokee Refugees hiding out from the soldiers to > avoid removal. > I think that after the removal some Cherokee families who had avoided > removal did merge with the Oconaluftee Band, but many families did not, > and probably never came forward when later tribal rolls were taken for the > Eastern Band of Cherokees > > --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Sam Gipson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Sam Gipson <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 10:55 PM >> Thank you for the information Richard. >> I will check the Baker Rolls. Think I have >> already done that. >> >> Tks, Sam Arkansas >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery >> >> >> > Yes, >> > early decades of 1800 to 1836 , Cherokees were in the >> southeast. When >> > this >> > govt removed about 16,000 to Oklahoma Territory ( >> about 1/4 of that number >> > died on the trail.. and of course did not arrive.) >> > >> > During your time slot.... 1817 to about 1828 , there >> were Cherokees >> > resettling to north central Arkansas (reservation >> land..) . And , just >> > prior to removal in 1835/36/37 , about 1100 or so in >> the southeast >> > "escaped >> > to the hills" rather than be removed. These >> 1100 are the Eastern >> > Cherokees >> > and many family names will later show up on their roll >> .. the Baker Roll. >> > >> > Richard B. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "CheeryFats" >> <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:06 PM >> > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery >> > >> > >> >> In 1824 in Early County, GA, Elizabeth Boles >> married Abraham Warren. >> >> Abraham is a ggggguncle of mine. Just a few >> months ago I met, over >> >> the internet, a direct descendant of Elizabeth and >> Abraham (and >> >> several other folks, from whom I descend too). My >> new-found cousin >> >> wanted to know if I had any info on Elizabeth, who >> was American >> >> Indian according to family lore. I didn't >> even know her last name, >> >> so my new-found cousin was way ahead of me. And >> that is how I have >> >> become interested in these Boles. >> >> >> >> Elizabeth and Abraham moved to Coffee County, AL >> and spent several >> >> decades there, then followed their children to >> Henderson County, TX. >> >> The last time I can find them in the census is in >> 1870 in Athens, >> >> Henderson County, TX., though in 1880 Elizabeth >> (then a widow) was >> >> living with their son James. >> >> >> >> There were other Boles in Coffee County, AL during >> those early years, >> >> but there were many more in Henderson County, TX, >> and they were >> >> living near (because they were related through >> marriages) some >> >> Cadenheads. >> >> >> >> I figured that the Boles in Early County GA, >> Coffee County AL and >> >> Henderson County TX were most likely Creeks. >> Indeed, an early (no >> >> pun intended) brief history of Early County, GA >> stated that: >> >> >> >> "Unlike the other counties, it [Early] had >> within its borders a few >> >> Indian towns, where some small bodies of >> "Creeks" had their homes." >> >> >> http://genforum.genealogy.com/sheffield/messages/1936.html >> >> >> >> As I continued searching, I came across >> information that the >> >> Henderson County TX Boles, along with the >> Cadenheads who were their >> >> relatives and neighbors, were Cherokees. Data I >> have seen over the >> >> internet (not the actual documents) includes this >> example: >> >> >> >> "BOLES/CADENHEAD APPLICATION FOR MEMBERSHIP, >> CHEROKEE NATION 1896 >> >> All persons named in this application are members >> of one large >> >> extended family, related by blood and marriage. >> This information was >> >> received from the National Archives in Fort Worth, >> Texas. It >> >> consisted of 42 legal size photocopied pages of >> documents relating to >> >> the applications and appeal of denied citizenship. >> Denial was based >> >> on the fact that James Boles' name was not on >> one of the official >> >> Cherokee Census rolls taken in 1835, 1848, 1851 or >> 1852 and that >> >> James Boles never resided in Indian Territory. All >> persons named in >> >> this are all members of one extended family and >> the report proves >> >> thier lineage and relationship to each >> other." >> >> >> >> This application contained numerous statements >> from witnesses that >> >> the Boles and Cadenheads involved were indeed >> Cherokee. >> >> >> >> Now back to Elizabeth Boles who married my Abraham >> Warren. I have >> >> gotten no further in determining her ancestry, let >> alone whether she >> >> was related to the Boles who were in Henderson >> County, TX, though >> >> there is a hint or two that she may have been. >> What I would >> >> appreciate knowing from any of you is whether >> there is any record of >> >> the names of the Creek families who supposedly >> were in Early County >> >> GA in the first few decades of 1800. And, while >> this seems far- >> >> fetched to me, do any of you know if any Cherokees >> were there at that >> >> time? >> >> >> >> Many thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to >> >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >